Why Romney’s ‘religion speech’ won’t work

After months of speculation and unsolicited advice, Mitt Romney suggested a few weeks ago that he was inclined to give a major campaign speech outlining his religious beliefs and how his Mormon faith might affect his administration, but his campaign aides were against it, saying it would “draw too much attention” to Romney’s religious tradition.

Asked if he’d ever deliver a special speech on the subject, Romney added, “Perhaps, at some point.” Now that Romney is falling behind, it looks like that point has arrived.

John F. Kennedy spoke to the Greater Houston Ministerial Association on Sept. 12, 1960, and made a powerful case that his administration would be neutral on matters of faith, hoping to assuage fears that his Roman Catholicism would be a problem in the White House. This week, Romney will also travel to Texas for a similar reason.

Mr. Romney plans to give the address, to be called Faith in America, at the George H. W. Bush Presidential Library in College Station, Tex., 80 miles from Houston, the site of Kennedy’s speech. His campaign is calling it an opportunity for him to “share his views on religious liberty, the grand tradition religious tolerance has played in the progress of our nation and how the governor’s own faith would inform his presidency if he were elected.” […]

Suspicions about Mr. Romney’s Mormon beliefs, which many conservative Christians consider to be heretical, have dogged his candidacy since it began, with many polls showing that large numbers of Americans would not vote for a Mormon candidate. The announcement comes a week after Mike Huckabee, a former Baptist pastor whose rise in the polls in Iowa has been fueled by evangelical Christians, began running a television advertisement that describes him as a “Christian leader,” which some viewed as a jab at Mr. Romney.

A senior Romney campaign official said the address is “not going to be a lesson in Mormon doctrine” but rather “an open discussion of how important and critical faith has been and is in Romney’s life” and “how faith is what shapes our values.”

This idea is almost certainly going to fail.

Sure, it will satisfy the DC establishment, and probably most of the campaign media, which has insisted for months that this kind of speech is necessary.

But as for changing the political landscape and alleviating the concerns of voters who are hesitant to support a Mormon candidate, it’s hard to imagine how Romney’s speech is going to do any good at all.

There are two broad considerations here: the theological and the political.

Theologically speaking, there’s nothing Romney can do to convince evangelicals that Mormons are mainstream Christians. Giving a high-profile speech like this, as Noam Scheiber noted, may very well exacerbate the problem.

My sense is that a lot of people in Iowa, New Hampshire, and South Carolina only have the vaguest notion, if any, that Romney may not be a standard-issue protestant Christian. Devoting a high-profile speech to the subject only draws attention to his differences at a time when he wants to be downplaying them. That’s true even if he speaks about faith in the broadest, most general terms, with little mention of Mormonism per se. The press will fill in the gaps.

And, if he goes the alternate route and tries to educate the public about his religion, that may be even worse. As Amy Sullivan wrote in The Washington Monthly a few years back, Mormonism is one of the few contemporary religions that tends to make people more, not less, uneasy the more they hear about it.

Indeed, for those evangelical Republican voters who are moving to Mike Huckabee because of his religious-right-style worldview, Romney praising “religious liberty” will be utterly meaningless. They know Romney’s religious, they know his faith has shaped his life, and they’re probably well aware of the fact that Romney won’t use his office to push Mormonism on the rest of us. But they don’t care — they just don’t like Mormons. (And given Romney’s own bigotry towards Muslims, it’s not like he has any real moral authority on the subject anyway.)

Which leads us to Romney’s political problem. He’s apparently delivering this speech from a position of near-panic, with his once-huge lead in Iowa having disappeared altogether.

In response to these conditions, Romney wants to “share his views on…the grand tradition religious tolerance has played in the progress of our nation.”

I’m not sure if Romney’s been paying attention to Republican politics lately, but right-wing Iowa caucus voters, who are already pre-disposed not to like Mormons, don’t much care for “religious tolerance.” Indeed, many of them revel in their intolerance.

It’s what makes the whole JFK analogy so silly to me. Romney is facing an entirely different kind of challenge. He can’t deliver a similar Kennedy-like speech precisely because the same message is now Republican anathema. Nearly a half-century after JFK’s speech in Houston, many of today’s conservatives, particularly those in the GOP’s religious right base, abhor the very idea of church-state separation, which was the basis for Kennedy’s address. It’s not unusual to hear figures like James Dobson and Pat Robertson reject the constitutional principle’s very existence.

If Romney were to publicly argue that “the separation of church and state is absolute,” as JFK did, he would be booed aggressively by conservative audiences that want more intermingling between religion and government, not less.

For that matter, the nature of the controversy is very different now than in 1960. Conservative Republicans uneasy about Romney’s faith aren’t worried that Salt Lake City will dictate policy through the White House; they’re just not comfortable with a faith tradition with which they’re unfamiliar (and in some cases, find heretical). In this sense, as a friend of mine recently argued, Romney is “boxed in.”

Time will tell, but I’m skeptical this week’s speech will make any difference at all – and it might make things worse.

Romney’s speech will only further isolate him from the Republican base of conservative religious voters. Giuliani’s problems get worse with each passing day.

In 2008 the Republican party will reap what it has sown. The evangelicals that they courted and pandered to will be picking their own candidate this time. I think that Huckabee is building momentum with conservative Christians that will be difficult to stop.

Not even Ron Paul will catch him. 🙂

  • The GOP has finally reached the point on which they can portray both of the classical masks that symbolize theater; both Comedy and Tragedy play well within their ever-more-feeble attempts to maintain control of the nation. Mittens has his own religion—viewed by many as extremist, and by even more as heresy—tied around his neck like a chunk of spoiled pork. GhoulChild is drowning in Lake ShagGate. UnAware Fred is simply unaware. McCain has flipflopped so many times that he’s now completely untrustworthy to all major parties within the GOP. And given the current reserves available within the United States, Paul’s “back to the gold standard” is an utter joke—unless someone wants to stand up and explain how a per capita of less than $700.00 is somehow a good thing for today’s economy.

    With all the “comedy off errors” gushing forth from the Party of Lincoln, I’m surprised they haven’t tried to peddle themselves to the People as a traveling troupe of Shakespearians….

  • I want to hear how mormons keeps all those women they buffs and keeps as “wives” from fighting – I guess they are all his sex-slaves that see each other as “sisters.”

    That will play real well in red states like Kentucky where when you get divorced you are still brother and sister.

  • There may be one similarity here between Romnoid’s hypothetical speech limning the “grand tradition religious tolerance has played…yada yada yada” viz his Mormonism and JFK’s speech to the GHMA. Kennedy’s speech was intended to reassure this country’s Protestant Christian majority that he, as a Catholic Christian President, would not, if elected, thereupon begin to “take orders” from the Pope in the Vatican, seeing as how the Pope is one pay grade below Jesus and all, and thus begin to undermine this country’s grand tradition of Protestant intolerance towards Catholics, not to mention Jews, women, blacks, foreigners, and pretty much anyone other than a mainline Protestant. If you read news accounts from that time you see the same sort of apocalyptic bullshit from the usual suspects about undermining this country’s “traditions” as you would hear from the mouth of pinheads such as O’Blarney and company today.

    At this point Romney might as well try and convince the Protestant religious fascists in this country that he would never even think about offering the Vice Presidency to Tom Cruise.

    9/11 notwithstanding, the more things change, the more they stay the same.

  • Given the flexibility of Romney’s political views, you have to wonder if he’s thinking, “Could I plausibly convert to a mainstream evangelical Christian denomination before the election?” Or even Catholicism–it hasn’t seemed to hurt Brownback. It would make for great political theater.

  • “how the governor’s own faith would inform his presidency”?

    Haven’t we already seen how that movie goes?

    Dear God… your people are fuckwits. We got the guy with the biggest stinking bag of bible belching faith-based “informing” there ever was, the guy with more faith than ten thousand Democrats, and look how he fucked us over.

    Just shut the fuck up, wingnut fundies. You had your chance, you elected a “man of faith” and he did his level best to destroy the country and the planet. So STFU already about faith.

    I’ll bet there’s at least 10% of Republicans who would vote for a Democratic Atheist this time around, after all the bible-based bullshit we’ve had for the last seven years.

  • I’m disgusted by what the media are doing to the political process in this country. Not the least of my complaints is their intrusion into the world of religious belief. CNN correspondents routinely grill candidates on whether they “believe” in evolution (that’s so Scopes trial), whether they believe a person must be a Christian in order to be President (or even moral, for Christ sake), whether they believe Mormonism is Christian (or even a religion).

    We are Constitutionally supposed to practice SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE. We are Constitutionally supposed to have NO RELIGIOUS TEST for holding public office. Where in hell do Bliitzer and the rest of those goons get off talking about this, especially since the very high cost of TeeVee time and the need to crowd in commercials denies much opportunity to find out what these candidates think about policies which really affect us all.

    I am not religious. I believe religion is Santa Claus for grownups. The last thing I care about is a candidate’s religious beliefs or non-beliefs. It’s time we tell the Blitzers, and the other nosies, to respect our Constitution, i.e., fuck off.

  • Oh, come on – the last thing Romney needs is the inevitable comparison to JFK, but I suppose he’s desperate at this point to do anything that might help him take back some of the support that has moved to Huckabee, as well as some of the support that has gone to other candidates.

    He’s backed himself into a corner on this one, which is right where he belongs. When a person fails to think ahead, fails to look beyond the immediate and desired consequences of adopting a position for a particular audience, to the longer-term and less desired consequences that may ensue, that person probably lacks the judgment necessary to sit in the Oval Office; we’ve had more than enough of that for the last 7 years, and most of us are looking to break that cycle, not perpetuate it.

    The only speech that would make sense would be one where he stated that he respects the Constitution, respects the separation of church and state, and when he takes the oath of office, Americans can rest assured that he will take that oath seriously. He should say that anyone looking for him to be the one to tear down that separation needs to find another candidate, because it is only in keeping religion personal that we preserve everyone’s right to believe and worship without fear.

    He can’t give that speech and get elected as a Republican. What he doesn’t realize is that Huckabee can’t get elected by taking the opposite approach, either; all he really does is pave the way for the Nixon/Cheney candidate – Giuliani – to slide into the space between himself and the fundamentalist flat-earther.

  • I think it’s interesting that George Romney’s religious beliefs were not much of a factor in his abortive campaign in 1968. He had other troubles, like “brain-washing”. Could the mood of the country have been more tolerant, in 1968, as the result of the Kennedy presidency?

  • Note to Ed Stephan re: Article 6, U.S. Constitution

    You are absolutely correct however, the Constitution’s statutory preclusion of a religious test has been trumped by the emergence of the cultural religious test. Religion, and religious tests per se, thrives in a climate of fear and ignorance, exactly the sort of climate un-American Republicans are determined to keep us in.

  • Huckabee’s description as a “Christian leader” is probably a jab towards Romney. And, it could also be a preemptive strike at Obama who is being victimized by the right-wingers. They have started a whispering campaign saying that Obama is a stealth Muslim candidate who, if he wins the presidency, will take his oath of office on the Koran.

    A funny: When I did a Google search for Huckabee, I inadvertently misspelled his name and entered “Hickabee” instead of Huckabee. There were 745 references to Hickabee. I wonder if my fingers were trying to send my brain a hidden message.

  • I think this is great. Repubs are becoming uneasy with how their deal with the religious zealots has worked out. They’ve tossed all of the rational people overboard, while the rest compete on who can be the craziest.

    I don’t know if Romney’s religious issues will be the last straw or not. But it sure highlights the growing fault lines in the repubs coalition.

    As a side note, it’s utterly foolish to stage a “Kennedy moment” at a venue named after a Bush.

  • Kennedy took the high road by supporting separation of church and state.

    Romney has already proved he will not take this approach, nor have any of his Republican rivals. Thus they have already lost.

  • As Amy Sullivan wrote in The Washington Monthly a few years back, Mormonism is one of the few contemporary religions that tends to make people more, not less, uneasy the more they hear about it.

    And there’s hella good reason for that. This speech will introduce the crazy uncle in the attic whom everyone in the neighborhood has heard about but never met. Unease will morph into fear and discomfort and Brother Romney will find formerly friendly greetings becoming forced and less frequent.

    Mormonism is not a friendly “religion”. It is closed, secretive, paranoid and flat out cultish.

    Brother Romney will find that shining light on this aspect of his life will not only not help his cause, it will show him the way back out the door he came in from.

  • Part of the problem is that the Republican base isn’t Christian, it’s Christian.

    You know, that kind of Christianity where the word is said with a certain inflection that suggests you’ve been born-again, and belong to a community that finds long-established mainstream Protestant churches, well, not quite good enough. When you have personal conversations with Jesus, and suspect that Lutherans will be finding themselves surprised come the Rapture, you’re not likely to change your vote after a Mormon’s mushy description about how faith has shaped his life.

  • I won’t vote for any candidate who professes to be ‘informed’ by the voice in his head.

    On that note, Mormonism isn’t any nuttier than mainstream Christianity or Islam or Judaism. The multiple wives thing actually is a benefit, in my opinion.

    I guess I’m looking for someone who is informed by education and the Constitution and has an adherence to more freedom for all of every stripe, than someone who is informed by a book written 2000 years ago by people who thought the earth was flat and women were property. Or by someone who ‘found’ a book just two hundred years ago but its also mysteriously vanished without a trace.

    Religious people are all nutters, in my opinion.

  • Jason – I agree, it has its advantages. Just saying that an open dialog about it isn’t likely to play well with women and many other “values voters”.

    Of course, it also has its disadvantages unless the women “know their place” and listen to their man, right?

  • It must suck to be Romney. With the R’s group of clowns, he would have this hands down except for those pesky bigots that they call the base.

    He has alienated everyone with any reason on his pro-life epiphany and immigration non-sense. So what’s left, the bigots and non-reasoners and they don’t give a damn about the Mormon religion. He is not a Christian, and nothing will change their minds about voting for him.

    Only a complete idiot would try this especially since that crowd hates JFK, what is he thinking. I am really, really worried about Huckabee. Talk about a line I never thought I would type.

  • As a liberal Democrat, I’m reluctant to defend any Republican candidate, but, in the interests of fairness, it’s probably worth pointing out the mainstream Mormons don’t actually practice polygamy anymore. So all this talk of harems, multiple wives, and sex slaves is misinformed at best.

    Granted, there are some crazy fringe Mormon groups where this still goes on, but that has nothing to do with the kind of mainstream Mormonism practiced by Rommey and his family.

    Claiming that all Mormons keep harems is kind of like insisting that all Christians handle snakes and speak in tongues . . . .

  • I think the “problem” with Mormonism isn’t the religion itself, though I believe Joseph Smith was a nutcase, writing all that strange stuff but in the form of King James Biblical English, long out of common use then, and marching people out to Salt Lake City where they could indulge in their polygamy without fear of arrest.

    I think the problem is that Mormonism is culturally so different from cultural Christianity and most Americans don’t get upset about cultural Christianity even if they aren’t Christian. I’m thinking about holidays and music, for instance.

    Maybe that isn’t rational, since Judaism is also quite different from cultural Christianity, but Judaism is not heirarchical — there’s no central (human) religious authority from which people receive spiritual doctrine as there is in Catholicism (Rome), Mormonism (Salt Lake City), and various protestant Christian denominations.

    Burro, I think you’re right. Mormonism makes a lot of people “uneasy”, and I’m not sure that a closer familiarity with it will change that. That business about some, though not all, spouses being “bound” through eternity, and marrying dead people to other dead people so they can be bound-together spouses in “heaven” is a bit much for many people to see as reasonable or even sane.

    But let Romeny give his “religion speech”. I agree that it will harm him much more than help him win votes from traditional Christians or anybody else for that matter.

  • I think the main point here is that you can pet a wallaby all day long, but you can’t trust the wallaby to see it as a benefit to him.

  • How’s that bed of nails Mr. You’re No JFK?

    I think the majority of people who feel uneasy about his religion would prefer to simply ignore the matter because they know it’s none of their business. He keeps making it an issue because he’s still trying to reassure the Talevan.

    The last time I checked democracy wasn’t a system whereby the loudest, most obnoxious people get their way. The very fact that he’s trying to appease or reassure Das Base tells you all you need to know about Romney and the rest of the Republi-Loons.

  • I agree that there is little he can say. He cannot claim the separation of church and state, because the very people he needs to convince don’t believe it is a good thing. He can’t say he will let his Religious values guide him, because that would concern the same people.

    The sad thing is he should have run as a Democrat. The highest ranking Democrat right now is the Senate Majority leader, Harry Reid, who is also a Mormon. However his religion has never been an issue for him. It is obviously because Religion has become a litmus test in the GOP, whereas the Democrats don’t care about your faith as long as you are qualified for the job.

    I know there will be thousands who will claim I am insane, and that Democrats are biased against religion, but where was the outcry over Harry Reid?

  • This is all very funny to me. Republicans have had a “religious test” for public office for a very long time now. They have created this problem for themselves. For a group that claims to support the original intent of the writers of The Constitution, these regular tests of faith go to the heart of what it is today to be a Republican. Separation of church and state just doesns’t exist for these people. What’s really odd, is that both Mormans and Evangelicals believe their Church comes first, not the Constitution. It’s a critical aspect of their faith. For the rest of us, it’s time to set back and watch these people try to Out-God each other, rather than just accepting the Constitution as written. Enjoy the fun!

  • Jolard, I don’t think you’re insane but I think tolerance works both ways. Democrats (and sane people in general) are less likely to care. But it’s also important that Reid doesn’t make an issue of his religion (I either forgot or never knew he was a Mormon).

    With the Repubs there’s the fear (entirely justified) that they will make an huge issue out of religion and of course the Talevan wants to shove their brand of religion down our throats so they’re afraid Romney will do unto them what they want to do unto others.

    I was also thinking that Mitt could have run as a Democrat and spared himself the trouble explaining his pro-choice record. Go figure.

  • When a public office seeker appeals to voters on the basis of their Christian faith, then the public has every right to examine how the candidate lives up to this self-identification. In other words, instead of merely taking the person at face value, as as been done for the whole lot of current White House occupants, see what the the Bible (that they claim is inerrant) has to say.

    Oh, look!, the Bible doesn’t say let your enemy rot in prison without charges or hope. It doesn’t say it’s OK to invade another country because you’re pissed off at someone else. It doesn’t say that waterboarding your enemy is a no-brainer. It doesn’t say make the richest people in society richer. It doesn’t say it’s OK to lie as long as the President says so. It doesn’t say it’s OK to execute people. It doesn’t say to hell with New Orleans. It doesn’t say bless Blackwater and Haliburtan. It doesn’t say go forth and line your pockets with public monies.

    But look again, what the Bible does say is: Love God with your whole heart by loving your neighbor. Love your enemy. If someone strikes you on the face, offer them the other cheek as well. Feed the hungry. Visit those in prison. Give away all you own. Judge not, or be judged yourself. Don’t lie. Be humble. Acknowledge your faults. Ask forgiveness and give it in return.

    Maybe, just maybe, if all those “righteous” souls out there were held to their own self-proclaimed values a little more, two desirable things might happen: 1. they might actually live up to them on occasion, or 2. they might stop using religion to (falsely) justify their actions and positions. It’s worth a try!

  • The Church of Jesus Christ (LDS) is often accused by Evangelical pastors of not believing in Christ and, therefore, not being a Christian religion. This article http://mormonsarechristian.blogspot.com/ helps to clarify such misconceptions by examining early Christianity’s comprehension of baptism, the Godhead, the deity of Jesus Christ and His Atonement.

    The Church of Jesus Christ (LDS) adheres more closely to First Century Christianity and the New Testament than any other denomination. Harper’s Bible Dictionary entry on the Trinity says “the formal doctrine of the Trinity as it was defined by the great church councils of the fourth and fifth centuries is not to be found in the New Testament.”

    Perhaps the reason the pastors denigrate the Church of Jesus Christ (LDS) is to protect their flock (and their livelihood). It is encouraging that Paul Weyrich, Wayne Grudem and Bob Jones III, (along with Jay Sekulow and Mark DeMoss) have rejected bigotry and now support Mitt Romney on the basis that he is the most moral candidate with the best qualifications.

  • Bot:

    In last week’s debates, I heard Mitt Romney opine with relish that detainees should be treated harshly and without regard to the established rule of law. He refused to rule out the classic torture technique called waterboarding (infamously used in the Spanish Inquisition, by the Japanese during WWII and by Pol Pot), which our government is forbidden from using by both international treaty and U.S. law. I saw him smirk at John McCain when the Senator challenged him.

    Most moral candidate? How, for the love of God, do you define “moral’?

  • Kennedy’s speech work largely because he was pretty obviously not a “good” Catholic, in the sense of a man who did what the Church told him to do and didn’t do what they told him not to do….he seemed constitutionally inclined to agree with W.C. Field’s confession of faith: “I believe I’ll have another drink,” (F.D.R. was a co-religionist.) This was not a man who would let a commandment or two stand in the way of a good time.

    Romney, on the other hand, seems like he might be more likely a “good” L.D.S. adherent than a good man, not so much because of any deep abiding faith but because the Pearl of Great Price was used to overwrite the location within his boot-sector previously reserved for Asimov’s Three Laws (maybe the N.S.A. could recover them, but I doubt they would).

  • It is unfortunate that we seem to need a religious speech from the Mormon as we did from the Catholic long ago.

    And, because the evangelicals have injected faith into our politics and government, Mr. Romney can’t give the reassurance of a firewall between the church and the state. President Bush’s reliance on “a higher authority” for invading Iraq did not help either.

    Some polls have shown that, of a number of candidates with different ethnicity or religious affiliations, an atheist would have the least chance of being elected president. I don’t recall whether a Muslim was included in the list.

    I wonder about a Christian Scientist. How about a believer in Scientology? Or maybe that becomes a kook factor.

    homer http://www.altara.blogspot.com

  • “Claiming that all Mormons keep harems is kind of like insisting that all Christians handle snakes and speak in tongues . . . .”

    you mean they don’t!?!

  • Amy Sullivan is correct, they really don’t want to shine a light on Mormon beliefs. Despite putting “Jesus Christ” in their name, the Mormons are far from orthodox Christianity. They are not even monotheists. It is the aim of every Mormon man to become a god himself in the hereafter, equal to Jehovah. His wife can look forward to birthing souls to populate his worlds forevermore. That’s why they want multiple wives. Mormons are good, moral people; but to the mainstream Christian, the more they study the “Book of Mormon”, the wackier their beliefs seem.

  • A while ago, a clever wag suggested that the quickest way to destroy the right-wing Repug Jeezo-fascist theocrats is to simply step aside and let them win. Let them implement a theocracy.

    Then, they wil immediately start killing each other off, fighting to the death over which Jeezo-cult is the True Religion, and purging and massacring the heathens who don’t subscribe to their cult. Then, after they’ve killed each other off, as they did 500 years ago in Europe, America will finally be safe for sane, rationalist liberals to step in and take control, without those pesky religious freaks around anymore to fuck things up.

  • I recently read a lengthy, scholarly history of the Mormon Church (One Nation Under Gods by Richard Abanes). It was like reading a whole book about crazy people. I had not realized just how wacked-out the Mormon beliefs really are, nor had I realized the degree to which Joseph Smith, the religion’s founder, was a charlatan and con man. (Among other antics, he used a magic rock wrapped in his hat to find treasures buried underground, only to have them mysteriously “slip deeper into the earth” as his digging approached them.)

    For those under the impression that Mormonism is a mere “variation” of Christianity, let me offer this. Mormons believe that God was once a man, and that Mormon men (and only Mormon men) become gods when they die, each in charge of his own Universe, just like the God of our Universe. (Their multiple wives become “helper spirits” that populate the new Universes for them.) They believe that Jesus, who visited America, was an ordinary man with no divinity. They deny the virgin birth and the existence of the Trinity. They put the Book Of Mormon (secretly “translated” by Smith from golden plates revealed by a UFO, plates that later mysteriously “slipped beneath the ground” and disappeared before anyone else could see them) ahead of the Bible.

    Does this sound like Christianity to you? There’s (much) more, but this may give you a taste of the absurd, cultish nature of this insane religion.

  • Dear Mark,
    If you really want to be informative about the LDS Church, you need to turn off the TV and do some reading. Big Love and The Simpsons are not a source of enlightenment about anything but bigotry.

    Every religion has its quirks, admitted. For instance, the Mormon Church has been denigrated because black couldn’t hold the Priesthood until 1978. And they areconsidered a cult by many. But, did you know that in 1845, the Southern Baptists were considered a cult by the Northern Baptists?

    By the 1830’s (prior to the Civil War) tension began to mount between the Northern and Southern Baptists. Baptists in the South were embracing slavery because it was the core of their social and economic order.
    Baptists of the North were saying that God would not condone treating one race as superior to another while Southerners said that God intended for races to be separate. In around 1835, the Southern states began complaining that they weren’t receiving money for mission work.

    So let’s put things into perspective here. By 1865 over 620,000 Americans had been killed over the slavery issue. Methodists, Baptists, and Presbyterians all fought for the right to own black people. They just seem to overlook that little tidbit of fact when denigrating the Mormon Church today. Yet,the LDS Church has always been against slavery. Can the Southern Baptist Convention claim the same?

  • It really doesn’t matter what Romney says in his address. It matters weather or not voters are willing to shed the hate they have for those that are not the same as them and choose a president that will give their all for the position. Be the candidate a republican, democrat, religious or not. What bothers me as an American most about the previous comments is that many of them exhibit hate for the tolerance of differing ideas. Not opposition but hate. Discounting a political idea because it came from an opposing party without any consideration of its merits, ignoring a social idea because it came from an ‘inspired’ individual, or believing that once a person has stated a view point that they cannot learn and change to incorporate new ideas to better themselves, and worse of all the belittling of a basic given right in this country (religious freedom); it all smells of hate. I may or may not vote for Romney or Cain. I may or may not vote for Clinton or Obama. Whom I will vote for, will be the person I fell will best benefit me and the country. I will make that decision and I will try to not allow trash thrown about by reporters or party campaigns to overwhelm my decision. I will vote the individual who tries their hardest even if they mess up in front of us all. It just means I will not vote for them next time.

  • You wrote, ” … the very idea of church-state separation, which was the basis for Kennedy’s address. It’s not unusual to hear figures like James Dobson and Pat Robertson reject the constitutional principle’s very existence.”

    Could you please inform us where the “constitutional principle” of the separation of church and state actually appears in the Constitution?

    Thanks.

  • mormons lie they believe they are the only one and will tear you from your church and family. go to the library or on the internet and do your reseach. there niceness is fake! they are taught this in church to pull you in.

  • Mormons are Christians and do not practice Polygamy! Hello people go to a Mormon Church meeting and sit there and listen to what they have to say, believe me, everyone and anyone is welcome! Listen to what their teachings are about, you’ll be surprised and maybe even the spirit of the Lord will guide you to become a member. So stop trying to assume you know things about this church and just go and see for your own damn selves. Okay?! Im out…..

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