Iran NIE highlights Bush White House’s mendacity

To be sure, the first reaction to the new National Intelligence Estimate on Iran is simple relief — the Bush administration is less likely to launch a unilateral, pre-emptive military strike against a nuclear program that doesn’t exist.

But then there are the second and third reactions, which are nearly as important in providing context. Matt Yglesias, for example, reminds us that in 2003, Iran reached out to the U.S. in order to strike a sweeping peace deal, which would have led the country to give up on a nuclear program that they then-realized would be too hard to develop. Bush wasn’t interested.

“To meet the U.S. concern about an Iranian nuclear weapons program, the document offered to accept much tighter controls by the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) in exchange for ‘full access to peaceful nuclear technology.’ It proposed ‘full transparency for security [assurance] that there are no Iranian endeavors to develop or possess WMD’ and ‘full cooperation with IAEA based on Iranian adoption of all relevant instruments (93+2 and all further IAEA protocols).'”

“There have been some efforts to discredit what [Gareth] Porter, Flynt Leverret, and others have said about this attempted opening, but the NIE’s conclusions about Iran’s nuclear program seem to strongly support it. With their secret enrichment activities exposed, the Iranian regime was reconsidering the utility of continuing such efforts in the face of international awareness and disapproval of them. The Bush administration then decided to squander this opportunity and focus on saber-rattling and dreams of regime change. But the thing about pressure is that you’ve got to be willing to take yes for an answer instead of just blundering around.”

Which leads us to the other easily-overlooked point from today’s news: Bush and his team have making a lot of claims about Iran, most of which were apparently patently false.

Remember, today is when the unclassified synopsis of the NIE was released, but the White House has had the full NIE at their disposal all year — but that didn’t stop the president and other administration officials from trying to scare the bejeezus out of the country.

TP assembled some startling examples of “faulty, inflammatory rhetoric”:

“The problem is Iran, and Iran has not stepped back from trying to pursue a nuclear weapon, and — or reprocessing and enriching uranium, which would lead to a nuclear weapon.” [White House spokeswoman Dana Perino, 10/26/07]

“We talked about Iran and the desire to work jointly to convince the Iranian regime to give up their nuclear weapons ambitions, for the sake of peace.” [Bush, 11/7/07]

“We’re in a position now, clearly, especially when we look at Iran, where it’s very, very important we succeed in our efforts, our national security efforts, to discourage the Iranians from enriching uranium and producing nuclear weapons.” [Cheney, 11/9/07]

“We are convinced that they are developing nuclear weapons.” [Energy Secretary Samuel Bodman, 11/13/07]

It’s one thing to get a national security and foreign policy challenge wrong — Bush and his gang are probably used to that — but these comments were made after the administration had assembled an NIE that made clear that Iran hasn’t had a nuclear program in four years.

That’s the difference between a lie and a mistake — saying something that’s wrong, which one knows to be wrong at the time.

I saw a quote somewhere from a rightwinger saying remember the intelligence was wrong before the Iraq war.I find it hard to believe this will slow them down.

  • As this incident proves, when dealing with the right wing, you don’t need more than one lie. They’ll swallow the same one over and over again, as long as it involves a crazy guy with a nuke, and somebody rushing in to save them. And isn’t it ironic that they fail to see how crazy the guy is who keeps offering them this lie – and how many nukes he’s sitting on?

    But the really scary part is this: since they’ve known all along, beyond the shadow of a doubt, that there is no nuclear weapons program in Iran, why have they been trying to drag us into war with them? And while we’re on the subject, why exactly did they drag us into war with Iraq?

    These people are out of control. Let’s get impeachment on the damn table, now.

  • From IranAffairs.com:

    Iran NIE report – Are you lying now, or were you lying then?

    If the 2005 NIE report was wrong, why should the 2007 NIE report be any more credible? If Iran really had a nuclear weapons program until 2003 as the new NIE says, then why has the IAEA found no evidence of it?

    WHy should we believe that Iran EVER had a nuclear weapons program at all?

  • It is said that a rat, once cornered, becomes not unlike the Kamikaze pilot; it will aggressively attack even a full-grown human, knowing that its instinct, instead, is to flee. The rat, armed with claws and teeth, does not possess a nuclear weapon—so one might assume that the human will always come out the victor in such a contest.

    This, however, is not the case when contemplating the swarthy little rodent currently occupying the Oval Office. One does not wish to contemplate the possible scenarios when a rat is finally cornered—and that rat has at its claw-tips an arsenal consisting of sever thousand nuclear weapons.

    Should “the Madman of Pennsylvania Avenue” ever decide that his legacy is beyond all hope, the possibility of a “staged” strike against a US installation—or any ally—or even worse, upon US soil itself—as “proof” of an Iranian nuclear weapons program is a nightmare event-horizon that should, out of prudence; out of common sense and a desire for self-preservation, be held as one such scenario….

  • Wow.

    What you and Matt wrote makes me see this as a parallel with corrupt law enforcement and bad penal policy:

    The aim of penal (reform) policy can’t be to make people perfect. The idea has to be you reform thugs to stop being thugs, and you’re satisfied if they can be productive, functioning members of society, rather than predators– even if some would still hold a grudge or not like those people. If you’re not going to reward improvement, or just screw people who honestly try to improve, the incentive/pressure to “reform” just gets thrown into the air. Not only does the prisoner lose, by not having any hope of re-entering society, but we lose, because once the prisoner sees there is no real incentive to reform, his path to pride is pre-emptive revenge, rather than passing up on getting what he can get before he gets screwed by the authority again. So society (or the world) becomes less safe.

  • Remember, today is when the unclassified synopsis of the NIE was released, but the White House has had the full NIE at their disposal all year

    Um, No.

    http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087

    President George W. Bush was kept abreast of the changing analysis of the spy agencies, which have been sifting new information for three months, senior intelligence officials told reporters in Washington today. He received the key judgments on Nov. 28, a day after senior leaders at the agencies approved them.

    So the fact is Bush started getting bits and pieces of the new view, we don’t know exactly how much, maybe over the last couple months or so. He only recieved the full analysis the middle of last week.

    Might be a good idea to read news articles BEFORE commenting on them.

    P.S. Although admittedly about half your quotes refer generally “[a] nuclear weapon[s],” about half ALSO refer to uranium enrichment.

    This is being widely overlooked but the new analysis says that the Iranians HAVE AND ARE CONTINUING WITH URANIUM ENRICHMENT. I.e. are bringing the more advanced “P-2” centrifuges online (which they long hid from the IAEA until they got busted when the Libyan program was investigated) and so on.

    Apparently it the the process of constructing a warhead that has been put on hold. So the quotes regarding enrichment, at least, are apparently still valid.

  • the Bush administration is less likely to launch a unilateral, pre-emptive military strike against a nuclear program that doesn’t exist.

    But still just as likely to launch a unilateral strike against a country it doesn’t like. It just needs a different excuse (easily manufactured at a moments notice).

  • “That’s the difference between a lie and a mistake — saying something that’s wrong, which one knows to be wrong at the time.”

    i was pleasantly surprised to find this was the #1 story on the cbs news, and #2 story on the abc news (after the snow storm), but you know what? their story was, “phew! the pressure is off!” not, “wow! that f**khead bush has been lying to us again! damn!”

    wtf?

  • But the really scary part is this: since they’ve known all along, beyond the shadow of a doubt, that there is no nuclear weapons program in Iran, why have they been trying to drag us into war with them?
    CMac

    Because they knew without a shadow of a doubt that Iran didn’t have a nuclear weapons program. It was supposed to be Iraq Part II – Aerial Assault. By the time the smoke cleared and it became clear there was no WMD to the north, south, east or a little to the west of Tehran, Bush would be able to shrug it off: “Well golly gee whilikers, we were so sure there were nukes around here somewheres!”

    And another knife would be inserted in the intelligence community’s back. I bet that’s what prompted the leak: Someone at the NSA, CIA etc decided there was no need for them to take it up the arse for BushCo again.

  • Despite the administration’s claims, I find it hard to believe that the intelligence community briefed the President on this last week, and we’re being told about it today. That seems remarkably transparent for an administration that has set records for secretiveness.

    In fact, I find it hard to believe that they would have completed the declassification paperwork that fast if they wanted to. In view of the tooth-pulling that it’s taken in the past to get NIEs out of these people, and McConnell making noises about not releasing them at all, we’re suddenly supposed to believe they got a major (and embarrassing) conclusion from Presidential briefing to the front page in five days?

    R-i-i-i-ight. Sure.Uh-huh.

  • Steve #10, thanks for setting that guy who was mouthing off about reading articles before commenting on them straight.

  • Many of us realized that George Bush was a pathological liar when he campaigned for the White House in 2000. It was not a difficult thing to see by his actions, or to hear in his single sentence speeches.

    I have no idea why Bush and company decided to lie about something they knew would eventually be published. It was a dumb idea, and Bush’s determination to attack Iran for no obvious reason is equally mystifying. That the guy has needed a few Shrinks for a long time is not mystifying.

    Nice summary of the facts!

  • What is wrong with these people, so long before Bush invoked the threat of WWIII and the Neo-cons started the drum beats of war again, they knew that this was all baseless propaganda.
    This administration has done what would to most rational people seem to be the impossible, they have made Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad seem more credible then the President of the United States, supposed “leader of the free world”.

    You absolutely have to ask yourself where is this all going to lead…..the conspiracy theory folks are looking more and more rational everyday, is the goal to create an International Crisis that would allow Bush to stay in office (ala Rudy’s attempt at remaining Mayor after 9/11)

    http://www.curlydog.com/blog

  • This is going to have major repercussions. Hopefully this means that any attempts to make war on Iran are dead in the water – maybe the Bushies will try to gin up a fake attack by the Iranians, but that’s about all they have left to try to get their war on before the end of Bush’s term – that’s good news.

    This also makes every Democrat who voted for the Kyl-Lieberman amendment look like chumps – bigtime. They all got rolled by the administration’s proxy – Lieberman. Fools.

    This will be especially bad for Clinton – Obama and Edwards are sure to make a lot of hay about her vote on Kyl-Lieberman with this news. Obama’s especially got a good incentive to throw this in her face – one of the handful of major differences between the two of them has been their stances on Iran. I think Obama’s been too cautious to push that too hard given the drumbeats and the warmongering in the background, but I expect that this bit of news will change that.

    I predict this won’t change anything on the GOP side though – all but one of them are ready for more war regardless of whether it’s justified or not. Expect THEM to point out constantly that Iran is still working to enrich uranium – despite the fact that Iran is ALLOWED to enrich uranium for non-weapon purposes under the terms of the non-proliferation treaty. They’ll just keep banging that drum because it’s all they’ve got at this point.

    (And hey – why is this geting released on a MONDAY? Shouldn’t this have come out on a Friday so that it could get buried over the weekend?)

  • Stultis could you please cite the,

    “new analysis says that the Iranians HAVE AND ARE CONTINUING WITH URANIUM ENRICHMENT. I.e. are bringing the more advanced “P-2″ centrifuges online (which they long hid from the IAEA until they got busted when the Libyan program was investigated)”

    That does not sound true.

  • The P-2 centrifuge program was NOT “hidden” from anyone.

    Dr. Jeffrey Lewis wrote:
    But first, let’s get some things straight.

    Iran notified the IAEA tht it planned eventual resumption of research on the P2 centrifuge design in its so-called Additional Protocol Declaration. The declaration is not available to the public, but IAEA Director-General Mohamed ElBaradei noted in one of his reports to the IAEA Board of Governors that “in its Additional Protocol declarations, Iran has foreseen P-2 R&D activities for the future.”

    http://www.tpmcafe.com/node/28982

  • The NIE has been held up for more than a year, according to this source.

    Your link doesn’t work. (It loads a page, but it’s empty.)

    Anyway, although the new NIE was initially requested by Reid and other Democrats in May of 2006, it was not initially expected until February of 2007, so it has not been “held up for more than a year” from the date is was originally supposed to have been finished. It’s been held up for 9 months, since February.

    It’s been kicked back several times for rewrite and revising because it didn’t mesh with what the WH wanted.

    I’ve now read 8 or 9 different news stories from yesterday and today on the new NIE, and they all suggest the opposite of what you claim. None claim it was “kicked back,” i.e. sent to the White House in some final or draft from and then sent back for “revising”. (Ray McGovern has claimed this, sans specifics, but no actual journalist so far as I can find.)

    I’ll need to look for reports to insure this, but my recollection is that McConnell (Director of National Intelligence) decided on his own initiative to delay the report to incorporate newer information.

    All the news reports I’m seeing, all the ones that discuss the genesis of the new view in any case, claim that the key information only began to come in a few months ago, saying variously in the “summer” or the last “three months,” and that some important elements only came in even more recently, i.e. in “recent weeks”.

    This suggests that if the NIE had been relseased last Spring it would have been MORE like the 2005 estimate rather than less so.

  • The P-2 centrifuge program was NOT “hidden” from anyone.

    Dr. Jeffrey Lewis wrote:
    But first, let’s get some things straight.

    Iran notified the IAEA tht it planned eventual resumption of research on the P2 centrifuge design in its so-called Additional Protocol Declaration.

    Wrong, hass. Iran did hide the information on P-2s. The following is also from the IAEA report your source quotes (emphasis added):

    P-2 Centrifuge Programme

    42. In January 2004, in response to a follow-up inquiry by the Agency on Iran’s centrifuge enrichment programme, Iran acknowledged, for the first time, that it had received in 1994 P-2 centrifuge drawings from foreign sources.

    Here’s the sequence:

    Oct ’03 —> Iran’s “complete” declaration to the IAEA, no mention of P-2s.

    Dec ’03 —> The IAEA inspects Libya’s recently opened nuke program and discovers P-2 material they had received from A.Q. Khan (who of course was also one of Iran’s “vendors”).

    Jan ’04 —> The IAEA confronts Iran about P-2s and only then does Iran aknowledge, in it’s “Additional” declarations, that it also had the P-2 drawings.

    In that and subsequent amendments Iran claims they never really did much of anything to develop the P-2s. But that was also revealed as a deception when Ahmadinejad announced to the media in April 2006 that Iranian scientists had been actively developing P-2 centrifuges and planned to use them to quadruple Iran’s output of enriched uranium. Even then it was only LAST MONTH, November 7, that Iranian formally acknowledged P-2 development to the IAEA. The P-2s are now in the final stages of mechanical testing and will presumably go “online” in the near future.

    For more info see:

    Pakistan’s Dr. Doom (A.Q. Khan)
    LA Times, 2 December 2007

  • Chris Hooten asked:

    Stultis could you please cite [re: Iranians hiding P-2 centrifuge program]

    Chris, please see the preceding message and the link therein.

  • Swan avers:

    Steve #10, thanks for setting that guy who was mouthing off about reading articles before commenting on them straight.

    How was I “set straight”? The lead post in this thread still claims that:

    Remember, today is when the unclassified synopsis of the NIE was released, but the White House has had the full NIE at their disposal all year

    That’s still wrong. The NIE was not published until November — i.e. last month. The intelligence cutoff date was October 31st. Bush was only briefed and received his copy last Wednesday. Those remain the facts.

    What’s more — read any of the more fullsome news accounts, presumably relying on differing sources from different reporters — the intelligence (and open source material) which underlies the new view only began to accumulate this summer, or over the last three months, and some of it even more recently during that period.

    The commentary in the lead post is simply wrong on the key factual point which underlies its charge of mendacity. There’s simply no way that the November publication of the NIE, or the reports that the new view regarding the halting of Iran’s weapon development is based on intelligence gathered in recent months, or even recent weeks, could be missed by a reasonably careful reader.

    I’m sticking with my admonishment that the publisher of this thread should read the news before commenting on it.

  • Stultis,
    Where DID the information for that article that you cited come from? Thin air? Are you comparing undocumented sources to an NIE report? If they had any new information about this they would have revised the report, or at the very least delayed it until they could vouch for the veracity of it.

    The sources need to come out of the darkness.

  • Responding to Chris Hooten:

    Chris, that article, although an opinion piece, was written by two respected and (AFAIK) non-partisan journalists, one a former managing editor of the left leaning LA Times, who are both experts on Pakistan’s A. Q. Khan and his poliferation activities, having written a (just released) book on the subject.

    Note also that I quoted from the IAEA’s own document (to which I was directed by the article linked in hass’ post to me) to the effect that in January ’04 the Iranians admitted “for the first time” to having the P-2 drawings. I.e. they had suppressed this information in their December ’03 declaration. That the IAEA inspected Libya’s weapons program in December ’03, well, this is not exactly an obscure fact. Do you really need me to look up an additional reference?

    As to the connection between the two, i.e. that the IAEA found it necessary to do “a follow-up inquiry … on Iran’s centrifuge enrichment programme” (still quoting the IAEA document) because of what they learned about stuff Khan had supplied to Libya but the Iranians had not reported: Well, I just don’t consider it any great leap of faith and therefore consider Frantz & Collins’ article a perfectly respectable and sufficient citation. If you’re skeptical, however, you can find their book and consult the appropriate footnotes. I’m not gonna waste my time on this unless you can provide some kind of reason or basis for your skepticism.

    In that regard my question is WHY are you skeptical that Iran hid the P-2? After all if you accept the current NIE in it’s contention that Iran halted their nuclear weapons program in 2003, then you certainly must accept that Iran has engaged in an even larger deception, SINCE IRAN NEVER HAS ADMITTED TO HAVING SUCH A PROGRAM AT ALL!

    IOW Iran has, with much attempted deception along the way, admitted to the enrichment program, but claims they’re only enriching uranium for civilian purposes. They still insist they don’t have, and never did have, a program to build a bomb.

    And if you believe the Iranians on THAT, then you aren’t entitled to draw any “Aha!” conclusions from the NIE.

  • I am skeptical because I have seen no proof, only the report which appears to suggest the opposite. I think I should be skeptical before we rush off and attack Iran. I want to be damn well certain that these activities are occuring. I want proof before I get behind any kind of idiotic military action.

  • Would Ahmadinejad’s own words suffice as proof?

    Iran switching to improved P-2 centrifuges in underground facilities near Pakistan

    On April 12 [2006], Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad disclosed the P-2 tests. In an address to students in Khorasan, Ahmadinejad said P-2 had four times the enrichment capacity of P-1.

    “Our centrifuges are P-1 type,” Ahmadinejad said. “P-2, which has quadruple the capacity, is currently under the process of research and testing in the country.”

    It was the first time Iran announced a program to develop the P-2 centrifuge.

    I’ve alread documented that Iran hid what they had on P-2s until the IAEA confronted them in January of 2004. But after that the Iranians claimed they’d only tested one sub-component (rotors) and abandoned even that in ’03. There position was that they’d done nothing else, until their own President comes out of the blue and admits they DID have a full scale development and testing program, with full intent to deploy. (Even then the Iranians wouldn’t formally come clean to the IAEA on P-2’s until just last month. See: IAEA 15 Nov 2007 Board Report.)

    Out of Ahmadinejad’s own mouth. What more proof do you want?

  • No, of course not. Ahmadinejad is as big of a liar as Bush and Cheney (and Rove.) I wouldn’t take *anyone’s* word at this point. I want hard proof. If there isn’t any, tough. Iran is a whole other animal from Iraq, and attacking it would be a huge mistake unless there was specific proof that they are an immediate threat. There is no proof. Inuendo is not going to work in this instance.

  • Well, whatever. I’m not gonna chase the goal posts another hundred yards.

    BTW, In my view the truth about what Iran is doing, and what they’re hiding is completely independent of whether we should, at some future time, use force against Iran. The facts are what they are regardless of what we want them to be, or what we consider their implications to be.

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