Conservatives not sure what to do about good news on Iran

The White House and its political allies have been less than subtle in saber-rattling towards Iran over the last year or so, specifically emphasizing the threat posed by a nuclear-weapons program that doesn’t exist. Yesterday’s conclusions from the National Intelligence Estimate make clear that for attack-Iran-now conservatives, it’s back to the drawing board.

Obviously, as a matter of national security, the NIE revelations are excellent news. But as a political matter, it’s left the right dazed and confused. What do they do with this encouraging information?

As far as I can tell, there are three principal reactions, ranging from merely wrong to you’ve-got-to-be-kidding-me wrong.

* The Manchurian CIA: This approach, embraced by Rudy Giuliani’s chief national security advisor Norman Podhoretz, argues that the NIE is not only wrong about the Iranian threat, but is actually part of a massive deception, launched by the Central Intelligence Agency to protect Iran.

“I entertain an even darker suspicion. It is that the intelligence community, which has for some years now been leaking material calculated to undermine George W. Bush, is doing it again. This time the purpose is to head off the possibility that the President may order air strikes on the Iranian nuclear installations. As the intelligence community must know, if he were to do so, it would be as a last resort, only after it had become undeniable that neither negotiations nor sanctions could prevent Iran from getting the bomb, and only after being convinced that it was very close to succeeding. How better, then, to stop Bush in his tracks than by telling him and the world that such pressures have already been effective and that keeping them up could well bring about “a halt to Iran’s entire nuclear weapons program”—especially if the negotiations and sanctions were combined with a goodly dose of appeasement or, in the NIE’s own euphemistic formulation, ‘with opportunities for Iran to achieve its security, prestige, and goals for regional influence in other ways.'”

Remember, this guy will not only shape a President Giuliani’s foreign policy, he also boasts “there is very little difference” between how he and the former mayor perceive policy towards Iran.

* Blame Iranian “disinformation”: OK, so the collective assessment of 16 U.S. intelligence agencies agree that Iran stopped its nuclear-weapons program more than four years ago, but maybe that’s because Iran wants us to think that and leaked bogus intel to throw us off track.

Bush threw cold water on this argument this morning.

“Why would you take time to analyze new information? One, you want to make sure it’s not disinformation. You want to make sure the piece of intelligence you have is real. And secondly, they want to make sure they understand the intelligence they gathered: If they think it’s real, then what does it mean? And it wasn’t until last week that I was briefed on the NIE that is now public.”

Remember Iraq: Fine. The CIA probably isn’t secretly working for Iran, and the intelligence probably isn’t the result of an Iranian disinformation campaign. But can we really trust intelligence agencies to get Iran right after they screwed up Iraq? The WaPo’s Howard Kurtz offered this argument yesterday.

I would just make a note about the attribution in the lead: “senior intelligence officials said Monday.” They may well be right. But some intelligence officials were obviously flat wrong about Saddam’s WMD.

There are quite a few problems with this approach. First, I wouldn’t say the intelligence community was “flat wrong” about Iraq; I’d say the IC offered the Bush White House plenty of warnings and caveats, and the Bush gang cherry picked the information it liked best.

Second, it’s one thing to treat the NIE with some skepticism, but dismissing it like this is foolish. As Ezra noted, “Anyone can be wrong. The first page of the estimate explains the various probabilities attached to the various predictions, and all of them leave open a window (or a door, or a planet) of doubt. Does Kurtz have any reason to think that the NIE is wrong?”

And third, it’s worth remembering that when intelligence officials first started reporting over the summer that the Iranian nuclear-weapons program no longer existed, the White House pushed back, causing the intelligence community to make absolutely certain.

Several of those involved in preparing the new assessment said that when intelligence officials began briefing senior members of the Bush administration on the intercepts, beginning in July, the policymakers expressed skepticism. Several of the president’s top advisers suggested the intercepts were part of a clever Iranian deception campaign, the officials said.

Intelligence officers then spent months examining whether the new information was part of a well-orchestrated ruse. Their effort included “Red Team” exercises in which groups of intelligence officers tried to punch holes in the new evidence, substantially delaying publication of the NIE.

Sorry, conservatives, the NIE is right. Try not to look too disappointed by the good news.

It wasn’t the NIE that stopped Bush in his tracks…it was the truth. The IAEC has been saying the same thing for years. Just as with Iraq, Bush gang ignored anything that did not fit into their plan to attack Iran. The gang has been using the boogeyman for years to scare us into giving up our freedoms and rights to privacy and to garner support for their military plans for more war/oil profiteering. If they could have manipulated the intell or continued to suppress it they would have. This is why they now will not allow the NIE to be made public anymore until it is vetted by them.

“If you want to prevent WWIII….” get rid of Bush/Cheney. After Cheney’s and Bush’s public rhetoric over the last year on Iran being so loud, forceful, intimidating and threatening I would say they have embarrassed the nation as well as themselves. How much longer?

  • I looked around at redstate, and all I heard was crickets. Iran nuclear? Nada. If that’s not a huge “tell” I don’t know what is. And what that means is that when Bush says we need to stay afraid of Iran, he’s not even going to be believed by the wingnuts. IOW, he’s done unless Iran does something stupid.

    I’m sure the wingnuts try to claim that invading Iraq made the Iranians stop building their alleged nuke, but they’re conflicted about letting go of their bogeyman-du-jour. To form the words that Iran isn’t even trying to build a bomb is probably going to make some heads explode.

    Popcorn!

  • They’ll do what they always do with information that doesn’t fit into their twisted world view: pretend it doesn’t exist.

  • The neocons should stop worrying. Bush will bomb Iran on the grounds that Mahmoud Ahmadinejad used the word “nuclear” and the word “weapon” in the same paragraph.

  • The administration had a heads up on the report months ago. They changed their tactics for demonizing Iran by declaring the Revolutionary Guard a “terrorist organization.” And the Gullible Fools party (otherwise known as the Democrats) went along with the GOP on that one. The administration doesn’t need the nuclear issue anymore to carry out an attack.

    Interview with Scott Ritter on the subject:

  • This is one of the Bush administration’s finest Orwellian hours. Rather than completely ignore the NIE, they are holding it out as support for their policies.

    After months of telling us that the Iranians have been working to get a nuclear bomb and that there was a serious threat, the revelation that the Iranians haven’t been ONLY MEANS THEY COULD BE!!!

    Those Iranians are so devilish that the fact that they aren’t doing something just EMPHASIZES how much they WANT to do it, and COULD START TRYING TO.

    AT ANY MOMENT!!!

    So, see, the Bush people have been absolutely right all along.

    In other news, war is peace, and freedom is slavery.

    (Personally, if my government wants to be spending time worrying about past threats coming back to life, I’d prefer they worry about Russian nuclear missiles and the Putin regime, but hey, W has looked into Putin’s eyes, so I guess we have no worries there, eh?)

  • The Manhattan Project began in June, 1942. Three years later, we had a nuke. Pretty much from scratch.

    Now sixty years later, Iran, with a world of know-how at their disposal, is projected to take God knows how many years to eke one of these things out, and we’re terrified of them? And the rest of the world with us?

    It doesn’t make any more sense than the terrorism bogeyman. It just doesn’t stand up to reason.

    What is behind all this fearmongering? Does it have a life of its own? Or is there some ulterior motive behind it?

    I’m sorry, but I reject the premise that Iran is a dire threat to the world, the same way I reject the premise that terrorism is, and the same way I rejected the premise that Iraq was. It just doesn’t stand up to dispassionate, objective analysis.

  • CB: “I wouldn’t say the intelligence community was “flat wrong” about Iraq; I’d say the IC offered the Bush White House plenty of warnings and caveats, and the Bush gang cherry picked the information it liked best.

    And we were supposed to have an independent investigation of all that cherry picking, but I guess Harry Reid and Jay Rockefeller forgot about it, after Reid even shutt down the Senate once in what turned out to be a meaningless publicity stunt. Later we found out that Cheney was blocking Phase II, but STILL we had no real action from our team, other than more waffling noises, then drips of information which blamed everyone but the real culprits.

    http://www.thecarpetbaggerreport.com/archives/9737.html

    Here it is 2008 almost, and we’re still waiting for Phase II, despite all the promises from Harry, Jay, and Diane Feinstein. They fooled you, CB:

    “…we won’t have to wait too much longer for the report Roberts kept under wraps; Rockefeller is moving forward with the release of the full document…”

    Yeah right.

    Here’s Jay Rockefeller in March of 2005…

    “The Chairman agreed to this investigation and I fully expect him to fulfill his commitment… While the completion of phase two is long overdue, the committee has continued this important work, and I expect that we will finish the review in the very near future.”

    Finish? The near future? That was almost three years ago, guys. And in case anyone forgot, we’re still waiting to find out “whether public statements before the war by senior government officials were supported by the underlying intelligence”

    I’m not holding my breath anymore.

  • Some people say that “Podhoretz” translates to “total moron” in some of the more obscure dialects of Lower Bombiranistan. So far he’s done nothing to alter that interpretation.

  • Q & A Session:

    Question: Why is the U.S. planning to kill all ‘graduate Physics students’ in Iran?

    Answer: Because any ‘graduate Physics student’ can get enough information to make a nuke weapon (and “we can’t afford to let Iran gain the knowledge to make nuclear weapons”).

    Question: What rock band was named after the Bush administration?

    Answer: The Insane Clown Posse

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