Military families have little use for Bush, Iraq policy

Last week, at the debate for Republican presidential candidates, Rep. Duncan Hunter (R-Calif.) made the ridiculous claim that U.S. troops and their families are, by their very nature, conservative. “[M]ost Americans, most kids who leave that — that breakfast table and go and serve in the military and make that corporate decision with their family — most of them are conservatives.”

Even on its face, it was an absurd argument, but the evidence to disprove Hunter’s claim keeps piling up.

Families with ties to the military, long a reliable source of support for wartime presidents, disapprove of President Bush and his handling of the war in Iraq, with a majority concluding the invasion was not worth it, a Los Angeles Times/Bloomberg poll has found.

The views of the military community, which includes active-duty service members, veterans and their family members, mirror those of the overall adult population, a sign that the strong military endorsement that the administration often pointed to has dwindled in the war’s fifth year.

Specifically, nearly 60% of military families disapprove of the president’s performance and his handling of the war in Iraq. Among those families with members serving in Iraq or Afghanistan, six in 10 say the war has not been worth the cost. In both instances, the opinions of military families are in line with those of the U.S. civilian population.

Perhaps most importantly, a clear majority (58%) of these families “favor a withdrawal within the coming year or ‘right away.'”

I’m of course looking forward to congressional Republicans smearing these families as “cut and runners,” and Limbaugh blasting them for being “phony military families.”

It’s worth remembering that this is a trend that’s been ongoing for a while. Bush and the GOP assume the troops and their families are politically and ideologically in line behind them, but assumptions like these are mistaken. Remember this Military Times poll from a year ago?

Moreover, there’s a partisan shift apparently underway. Brandon Friedman at Vote Vets noted today, “Way back in the day, many of us voted for George W. Bush. Personally, I cast that fateful vote for him in 2000–when I was 22 years old, and just over a month away from being commissioned as an Army officer. I figured I was doing my duty. I thought that Republicans supported the military. But I didn’t make the same mistake in 2004. After one deployment to Afghanistan and another to Iraq, I’d finally learned my lesson.”

It’s a sentiment that’s catching on.

When military families were asked which party could be trusted to do a better job of handling issues related to them, respondents divided almost evenly: 39% said Democrats and 35% chose Republicans. The general population feels similarly: 39% for Democrats and 31% for Republicans.

“The Democrats are not seen as the anti-soldier group anymore,” said Charles C. Moskos, a military sociologist at Northwestern University.

Let’s not brush past that too quickly. Despite the perceived connection between the military and the GOP, and arguments that the troops and their families are necessarily conservative, military families prefer Democrats to Republicans on issues relating to their needs.

It’s a welcome change.

The Republican Party seems to attract many one-issue voters. In addition to the “pro-military” (a vestige of the Vietnam era), there also the “pro-life” folks, many of whom are liberal on so many other issues, but can’t vote Democratic because of the life issue; and there are the “pro cut-taxes all the time” crowd, who seem to have no particular set of principles or moral issues other than they want their money back.

  • I’ve been wondering for some time when soldiers would finally break it to Duncan Hunter and Lindsey Graham, that masochism only goes so far. Each time Bush has asked for more sacrifice, extended deployments, stay the course…I see it as another straw added to the breaking backs of our soldiers. What will be the last straw? Orders to invade Iran? Orders to destroy evidence of torture? Nobody likes hypocrisy and Iraq is ten feet deep in hypocrisy. There is nothing conservative nor patriotic in Blackwater’s thievery and lawlessness. The soldiers are there, they can see it. We don’t have to tell them.

    I keep hearing Graham’s desperate shriek, “Morale is sky high and we’re winnning!!!” And i think, how could this be? Even if Hunter is right and most soldiers are “conservative”, how much more can they take? Does conservative equate with suicidal? How many deployments does it take to make a liberal?

  • I think it’s important to understand why they’ve been able to convince people that we’re “the anti-military party” for so long. Since the Democratic party has been home to a very few people who vocally stand against the military in general, and since Democrats as a group routinely try to stand up against wasteful spending on weapons, we have been branded as “anti-military” by our political opponents. And this has worked because it takes insight to see that de-funding a weapons system (like the “missile defense shield”) is actually a smart way to protect the troops and the country from our enemies. A simpleton will see that as an act of cowardice or even treasonous behavior. But simpletons are the people TV ads are made for. Smart people don’t see an ad and then say “Damn, I gotta go vote for/against X”. But simple people do, and those are the folks that all that ad money works on.

    I don’t know what the solution is. Publicly funded elections, I guess. And this round should be cake. Now that even the simpletons understand that Bush has been a disaster, we can leverage that base knowledge to help drive the Republicans into oblivion.

    But we have to be ready to be re-brended as the anti-military party again, because you watch, it’ll happen.

  • I don’t have any evidence to support my thinking but I do think that a significant portion of the military is conservative and that if you looked at the people in the military and compared them to other people in the same age group that you would find them to be more conservative than the similar people outside the military.

    In a volunteer army you have people who think they are better off in the military than in other ‘jobs’.

    Some of them think it is important to protect the country; others think it is the best job for them; others want to get away; others have a million other reasons.

    Liberals are generally smarter than conservatives
    Liberals generally think they could do more good in other volunteer work than in the military.
    The pay in the military is more appealing to a rural kid than a city kid.

    So, although I could be completely wrong, I think the average soldier is more conservative than the non soldier.

  • No Problem. The Bush Laden Cabal still has the undying support of right and left wing authoritarians and its caste of Blackwater thugs and corporate mercenaries.

    “If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy.” –James Madison

  • This post hints at an interesting phenomenon: The growing divergence between true “small c” conservatism and what the Republican leadership misrepresent as conservatism. I would argue that “conservative” and “Republican” are no longer synonyms.

    That said, I agree with Neil Wilson. My brother, a former Marine Corps officer, and his son, currently on active duty in the Navy, both are politically and culturally conservative. Neither, however, is a Republican and both oppose Bush and his GWOT policy.

  • We were a military family when our kids were young. We were liberal. Some of our military neighbors, were liberal too. Generally those who were liberal were readers and half way intelligent. But it was not the partisan political world that we live in today….thanks to the great divider and his neocon minions.

    Maybe Duncan should have said that people who don’t read and have a world view tinged with fear tend to be conservative and authoritarian, thus possibly more drawn toward authoritarian institutions like the military. I might have agreed with a statement like that.

    Reading Example: I lived in a rural community in 2004 when caring for my Dad, and joined a book club for social stimulation. We discovered that we were all Democrats. One of the members also belonged to another book club in the next little rural town, and said that all of them were Democrats too. Small sample, but I found it significant since we were in a Republican dominated county.

  • My father was career Navy. Both my parents are moderate conservatives. They both loath George W Bush for the way he has treated veterans. I knew Bush had lost the military when my mother said if she had any children military age she wouldn’t let them join. And that was four years ago. Don’t underestimate how badly the repubs have treated the military.

  • I agree with jm: small c conservative does not equal The Republican Party. That Party has been taken over by the Shock & Awe Lieing Neocon Think Tank Machine.

    We were a military family when our kids were young. We were liberal. Some of our military neighbors, were liberal too. Generally those who were liberal were readers and half way intelligent. But it was not the partisan political world that we live in today….thanks to the great divider and his neocon minions.

    Maybe Duncan should have said that people who don’t read and have a world view tinged with fear tend to be conservative and authoritarian, thus possibly more drawn toward authoritarian institutions like the military.

    Reading Example: I lived in a rural community in 2004 when caring for my Dad, and joined a book club for social stimulation. We discovered that we were all Democrats. One of the members also belonged to another book club in the next little rural town, and said that all of them were Democrats too. Small sample, but I found it significant since we were in a Republican dominated county.

  • Seems that the Godfather of the right wing had little use for the moron in chief either…

    Ronald Reagan had his lucid moments while President:

    “A moment I’ve been dreading. George (Vice President George H.W. Bush) brought his ne’er-do-well son around this morning and asked me to find the kid a job. Not the political one who lives in Florida (future Gov. Jeb Bush). The one who hangs around here all the time looking shiftless. This so-called kid is already almost 40 and has never had a real job. Maybe I’ll call Kinsley over at The New Republic and see if they’ll hire him as a contributing editor or something. That looks like easy work.”

    — Ronald Reagan in his recently published diaries, May 17, 1986

    That’s what the hero of the right thought about President Chimp!

  • Remember the context in which Hunter made the comment. He was objecting to gays in the military, not referring to support of Bush or the War. Of course, polls have shown he’s wrong on that one too.

  • Apparently, the right wing that being The Republican Party stills believes the military families are too stupid to see the truth. Well it seems that many if not all are in deed very smart and do see the truth. Most people in this country are beginning to see G.W. Bush for what he and the neocons are. And that being dumber then a rock.

  • “The Republican Party seems to attract many one-issue voters.”

    Very true. As an anecdote, I offer a good friend of mine who is socially and fiscally progressive, but votes Republican every year because of only one issue: gun control. He is an avid hunter with an extensive gun collection, and a member (therefore) of the NRA, and votes Republican so that gun control can be minimized.

    I share this with him, I am also an avid hunter and member of the NRA. But I vote Democratic. I don’t fall for the “one issue” trap.

  • I spent 28 years affiliated with the Air Force and Air Force Reserves. Most if not all Airman are Republicans. You say Republicans are one issue voters? The Clintons are universally despised by the militaries. Most if not all Airman feel George Bush did the right thing by invading Iraq. General Kerr stating infront of millions of Americans that he liked having all manner of abnormal sex with other males was sad. He is the poster boy for the “we need the gay vote to win” Democratic Socialist party and high prieistist Hillary Clinton. Duncan Hunter was right in saying what he said. I am sorry that all the legislation in the world will not validate abnormal decadent and dirty behavior homosexuals engage in. Just as General George Washington at Valley forge or General Petraeous in Iraq, to be a leader among men, one must lead with honor and integrity. Deviant homosexuality is not honorable no matter what Kerr and the high priestist say!!! as far as one issue voters, Republicans are for limited government, less taxess, controlled borders, America first, free fair trade, Healthcare Insurance with no state lines, education, strong honorable military, and Freedom. What does the democratic party stand other than Rangel tax increases and immorality?

  • “Affiliated” with the Air Force!? What a dumbass post!

    For 21 years I actively served as a US Marine! Not “affiliated” with the Corps. After such service I can say that anyone who claims that the military “universally” despises the Clintons, doesn’t know what they are talking about! Perhaps in certain circles but not “universally”. Just as Bush is not hated “universally”.

    I’ve seen a growing contingent that aren’t afraid to be vocal in their displeasure with this administration. A lot of us knew that invading Iraq was a HUGE mistake but were drowned out by all the “Kool-aid Drinkers”. Now, as more “conservatives” start to open their eyes people are speaking out!

    Perhaps in your Air Force “Affiliated” circles you all DO agree with Bush, (you have that right), but I know that it is awful easy to cheerlead for things when you don’t have to put your ass on the line! I don’t recall ever seeing a Air Force combat patrol (except in the sky) or airmen manning a security checkpoint (except at the terminal). It’s much easier to sit back like the Hannity’s and Limbaugh’s of the world and TALK, it’s another thing to actually have to DO!!!

    Mr. Air Force “Affiliate” claims that republicans are for “limited government, less taxess, controlled borders, America first, free fair trade, Healthcare Insurance with no state lines, education, strong honorable military, and Freedom.” — Give me a damn Break!!!!

    the republicans that controlled both houses of congress for this whole Bush Fiasco have brought you none of this, they haven’t even supported it! They cut taxes for the rich (not the low or middle class), exponentially expanded government, grossly grew the deficit, encouraged rampant illegal immigration to provide cheap labor for corporate interests, and who knows what the hell you’re talking about with that ‘Health insurance without state lines” crap!”, No child left behind (joke!) more unfunded mandates from an ever growing federal government, Weakened the military AND the Veterans Administration.

    Freedom! Do you really want to go there? The suspension of Habeas Corpus, illegal search and seizures, warrantless wiretaps, restricting Free speech, loyalty oathes, and any other of the countless attacks on the Constitution!

    Oh yes, The Constitution! Remember that thing? That’s the thing we are sworn to support and defend, not a damned man or stinking party!

    -Semper Fi, Mac!

  • Was it only a couple of years ago when a large majority of military families were supporting the war? Letters to the editors of the local newspaper, appearances on the Sean Hannity radio show, and applauding backdrops to Bush appearances?

    These people supported the war in Iraq and despised those of us who protested the war. Now that we have been vindicated in our predictions of failure and quagmire, these military families are suddenly singing a different tune. Sorry if I am not very sympathetic. I am so sorry for your losses, and I appreciate your sacrifice, but you should not have called me a traitor a couple of years ago. To hear the average military family complain about the war now — the hypocrisy and fickleness boggles my mind.

  • Why stretch the poll to make a case that isn’t there?

    The families disprove of Bush because “he aint a winner”

    Military families are, by and large, conservatives who favor winning.

    Scott Ritter pointed this out recently: The decline in approval for the war reflects public dissatisfaction with losing, not warfare. If the campaign had fared better, Bush would be sailing in those same polls. Those same families would root for the next victorious campaign.
    Of course, Ritter was correct (and ignored) again.
    Those of us who were against this from the get go are still in an antiwar minority.

    Vonnegut summed it up. “Poot teet weet.”

  • “Ronald Reagan had his lucid moments while President:

    “A moment I’ve been dreading. George (Vice President George H.W. Bush) brought his ne’er-do-well son around this morning and asked me to find the kid a job. Not the political one who lives in Florida (future Gov. Jeb Bush). The one who hangs around here all the time looking shiftless. This so-called kid is already almost 40 and has never had a real job. Maybe I’ll call Kinsley over at The New Republic and see if they’ll hire him as a contributing editor or something. That looks like easy work.”

    — Ronald Reagan in his recently published diaries, May 17, 1986”

    Phony quote.

    http://www.snopes.com/politics/satire/kinsley.asp

  • Sorry military families are not conservative or democrat ! We are registered Democrats and moderate middle of the road voters and retired military and my son is an officer in the military and we simply think Bush has been wrong on Iraq on too many stances. We just want our country to do right by our lives. We are willing to sacrifice for just causes and put our best efforts out to defend our nation but this administration has used our military for personal gains. I have never seen our nation go into another country with contracts made already on their resources or tax cuts in war time and poor planning. The Republicans should be ashamed what they have done to this country and abuse of our military and lack of military planning. I never voted for Bush even once! I sene in 2000 he simply was not a smart man by 2004 I was sure of that!

  • I’m in the Air Force and I serve with quite a few officers from other services. I’m not sure about the enlisted side, but officers are, by and large, conservative Republicans. I think I’ve met two officers who will admit to being Democrat. I think it’s mainly because Democrats favor defeat in Iraq and that kind of thinking is anathema to professional officers. Also, the Democratic party is seen as being somewhat effeminate, which is pretty much the opposite of how officers (at least the male officers) see themselves. Right now there is a lot of confidence in Gen. Petraeus and we really need to just get behind this strategy, put politics aside, and win over there. Just admit it, the reason you Dems want us to fly the white flag in Iraq is because you hate Bush. A victory in Iraq automatically means his place in history is secured. Every wartime president in American history has fared well in”greatness” ratings. Even McKinley and Polk are in the teens when it comes to historical rankings of presidents. Bush will be no different, especially if we are victorious in Iraq. Just look at Truman, who left under a cloud, with 30,000 dead in Korea,and an approval rating of about 23% (about 10% lower than Bush’s approval rating now). He now is considered “great”or”near great” as a president. The same will happen thing will happen with Bush and that surely drives you vertebrate -challenged Dems up the wall.

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