I watch the debates, so you don’t have to

The Democratic presidential candidates met in Iowa for the (mercifully) last debate before Iowans caucus in just three weeks, and like the Republicans’ event the day before, it was a genteel event — everyone was on their very best behavior.

It’s easy to understand why. Just as general-election campaigns go positive in the closing weeks before November, no one wants to go negative shortly before voters start making their choice. As a result, the six-person field — Kucinich and Gravel did not meet organizers’ standards for participation — left their attack dogs at home.

Who won? Well, probably no one in particular, though I thought the top three candidates did exactly what they wanted to do:

Barack Obama delivered his best debate performance this year, appearing relaxed and confident, and articulating his vision for change very effectively. John Edwards, who’s always good at the debates, seamlessly interweaved his populist themes into every answer. Similarly, Hillary Clinton effectively (and constantly) worked her emphasis on experience at every opportunity. The three showed up hoping to hammer their points home, and all three did just that.

Having said that, it looked to me that Obama benefited most. The moment that’s getting all the attention was the clever turnaround on having Clinton advise him once he’s president, but I found a different exchange even more beneficial.

WASHBURN: Senator Biden, you and your campaign have had a number of occasions to correct or clarify things you’ve said relating to race, including your remarks about Senator Obama being, quote, “clean and articulate”; your comment about Indians working at 7-Eleven; and recently to The Washington Post in which you spoke about race while describing disparities between schools in Washington, D.C. and Iowa. Do these gaps or misunderstandings or however would you characterize them indicate you’re uncomfortable talking about race, or are people just being too sensitive?

I thought it was a bit of cheap shot, and Biden did well explaining his life-long commitment to civil rights. But then Obama followed up.

OBAMA: I just wanted to — I just want to make the comment I’ve worked with Joe Biden, I’ve seen his leadership. I have absolutely no doubt about what is in his heart and the commitment that he has made with respect to racial equality in this country. So I will provide some testimony — (laughter) — as they say in church, that — that Joe is on the right side of the issues and is fighting every day for a better America.

Good for him. Obama vouched for a primary rival, and appeared classy, magnanimous, and maybe even presidential. It was, at least to me, the most memorable exchange of the day.

Other observations from my notes:

* Clinton summarized her campaign perfectly in just one sentence: “Some people believe you get [change] by demanding it. Some people believe you get it by hoping for it. I believe you get it by working hard for change.” I don’t know if that’s true exactly, but I know that’s what Clinton needs voters to believe.

* Bill Richardson, once again, insisted he would push for “a constitutional amendment to balance the budget.” Every time he does this, which is often, I get a little more disappointed with his campaign.

* I noticed that Clinton, more so than in other debates, emphasized her husband’s presidency. She made three separate references to the 1990s, and how we should “restore” and “return” to those good times. If Dems are looking back wistfully, this could work. If Dems are anxious to leave the past in the past, it won’t.

* Edwards’ strongest answer came on trade: “[I]f you look at what’s happened with American trade policy — you asked about China a few minutes ago. Look at what America got. Big corporations made a lot of money, are continuing to make a lot of money in China. But what did America get in return? We got millions of dangerous Chinese toys. We lost millions of jobs. Right here in Iowa, the Maytag plant in Newton closed. A guy named Doug Bishop, who I got to know very well, had worked in that plant and his family had worked in that plant literally for generations, and his job is now gone. The same thing, by the way, happened in the plant that my father worked in when I was growing up.” It sounded a little rehearsed, but it was effective anyway.

* Chris Dodd’s strongest answer came on energy policy: “We’re borrowing a billion dollars every single day to buy foreign oil, a billion dollars every day. We’re not going to wish ourselves out of this problem here. I’m the only candidate on this floor here who’s advocated a corporate carbon tax. Now, I’m fully aware of the implications of suggesting a tax, but it’s not enough to state the goals. We’ve got to have the courage to stand up and tell you how you get there. And until you deal with the price differentials here, cheaper fuel is always going to win out unfortunately. So you need to be able to tax this carbon, which is killing us and killing this planet.” It was a passionate answer; it was clear that Dodd takes this seriously.

* I love it when the candidates bring up habeas, and Obama did yesterday: “I think that folks made a terrific point, that we have to stand for human rights and that should be part of the trade equation. It is harder for us to do it when we have situations like Guantanamo, where we’ve suspended habeas corpus. To the extent that we are not being true to our values and our ideals, that sends a negative message to the world, and it gives us less leverage then when we want to deal with countries that are abusing human rights.”

* Dodd, as usual, got shafted with too few questions during the debate, and then got shafted again with stupid questions after the debate.

* There were no questions on Iraq, Iran, the NIE, torture, Pakistan, terrorism or national security in general. There was, however, a question about New Year’s resolutions. Hmm.

* Despite no questions on Iraq, Dems brought it up anyway — far more than Republicans did the day before.

* If you rely on the focus groups, Edwards and Obama had very good afternoons.

So, what’d you think?

You watched so I didn’t have to. Thanks for the report.

I’m glad these miserable excuses for “debates” are over for now. They get dumber and more shallower every election cycle. Our media are an embarrassment.

  • I noticed that Clinton, more so than in other debates, emphasized her husband’s presidency. She made three separate references to the 1990s, and how we should “restore” and “return” to those good times. If Dems are looking back wistfully, this could work. If Dems are anxious to leave the past in the past, it won’t.

    Clinton may get a nice break (assuming she can play it well enough) as the public’s priorities turn to economic issues instead of Iraq. Clinton really needs to give a major speech that, essentially, says

    “under 8 years of the first Clinton presidency, Bill Clinton and Al Gore took a faltering Bush economy and turned it into eight years of job growth, income growth and most important, better economic conditions not just for the richest Americans but for all Americans. I was there and part of that team as the Clinton administration turned a defecit into a surplus, created jobs, and, with Al Gore leading the project, “reinvented government” to be more effective and more efficient. The Republicans can take cheap shots at whether Al Gore ‘invented the Internet,’ but there is no denying he was part of an administration that say American technology and Internet-driven commerce fuel an extraordinary economic boom in this country.

    And then came George W. Bush and the culture of corruption, the concern only for the richest 1%, and the waste of billions of dollars on drawn out wars that have given us little except $3 gasoline and a tragic number of lost or injured loved ones.

    Another Bush presidency has left us another mess, and just like in 1992, a Clinton presidency can clean it up. When I am President I will return to the fiscal management that resulted in surplus budgets in the first Clinton administration.”

    This does several useful things. It ties her to the best parts of Bill’s administration. It makes her “experience” as First Lady more specific and tangible. And it attempts to co-opt the goodwill of Al Gore even if he hasn’t and doesn’t endorse her. As long as Iraq/Iran/War issues were foremost in voters’ minds, she was going to have a tough time regaining traction. But a shift to economic concerns could be very good for HRC (and, if the concerns get really really serious, for Edwards.)

  • Barack Obama was “BLAH.” He didn’t say anything whatsoever the entire debate, so the media took the only thing that he did say, “the joke” about Clinton advising him, and acted like that was so great.

    Tell me one other thing that he said all day?

    You can’t because he didn’t say anything noticeable.

    John Edwards clearly did the best on yesterday.

    I’m glad I watched the debate, because you claiming that Obama turned in a good performance just because the media’s going to ride that horse, is enough of a reason for me not to trust your judgment.

  • “I’m glad I watched the debate, because you claiming that Obama turned in a good performance just because the media’s going to ride that horse, is enough of a reason for me not to trust your judgment.”

    clearly you don’t know steve.

  • I think that I will be happy casting a vote for ANY of the Dem candidates. Kucinich or Gravel included. Each and every one has his or her own unique qualifications that make him or her clearly superior to any of the GOP candidates. Even with their warts the Dem candidates are better prepared for (and come with much better teams behind them) the presidency.

  • I have a few gripes about Edwards – (1) He voted for the war, his “terrorists, we will destroy you” speech during the 2004 convention, and his horrible forign policy debate performance against Cheney – I haven’t forgotten his simplistic, uninformed views last cycle.

    Now I’m sure he’s grown this time around, apologizing for the Iraq vote, correct views on the Iran vote, but I’m still fearful that a Cheney-like person can just throw lies that he can’t debunk on his feet.

    Also, Edwards voted for China trade – has he apologized for his reversal? I don’t remember specifically, if anyone can provide quotes that would be cool…

  • CB?* Clinton summarized her campaign perfectly in just one sentence: “Some people believe you get [change] by demanding it. Some people believe you get it by hoping for it. I believe you get it by working hard for change.” CB? I don’t know if that’s true exactly, but I know that’s what Clinton needs voters to believe. ME : So she summarized her campaign by feeding us a line of crap and that’s perfect?

  • Growth and evolution are good theories but bad when politicians practice them? And if you don’t apologize for every single thing you’ve done wrong, there’s no forgiveness? Wow, we’re a hard crowd to please. I will happily happily support either Obama or Edwards. Clinton, I will hold my nose..

  • . I believe you get it by working hard for change.” I don’t know if that’s true exactly, but I know that’s what Clinton needs voters to believe.

    Of all the candidates, she feels SHE’s the one who’s had to bust the most tail?

    To quote Jon Stewart: “Whaaaaaa????”

    As for “experience”?
    She’s like the guy who pours concrete at the construction site where Bill Clinton was foreman.
    She sees the same people day after day that the foreman does. She’s given a project once in a while (oversee the pour of the foundation / construct a health care plan). But does she have management experience because she shares the lunchroom with the foreman? No. It’s arrogant for her to equate her life in the White House with Bill’s. I’ve no idea why anyone would take the comparison seriously who isn’t actively involved in her campaign. Her experience as Senator is legit, but she’s one year out from being a freshman. Experience is a very peculiar hook for her to hang her hat on. You can bet the Republicans will make a lot of hay if she tries this ridiculous tactic before the general.

  • I still just don’t see how Hillary Clinton can credibly claim to be a force for change, when the institutional actors most heavily invested in the status quo–the insurance companies, the defense contractors, et cetera–are most heavily invested in her.

    Overall, it was a lame debate, and yet none of the candidates came off badly IMO.

  • Growth and evolution are good theories but bad when politicians practice them? And if you don’t apologize for every single thing you’ve done wrong, there’s no forgiveness? Wow, we’re a hard crowd to please.

    Growth is great – I’m just not convinced John Edwards has grown enough or “practiced” them (in the foreign policy area) enough to fight back the Repugs. I’m talking not just about views, but being well grounded in facts, history etc.

    Edwards doesn’t need to apologize for everything, but he said in 2000, “Trade between U.S. companies and the Chinese will likely explode in the coming years, generating jobs and revenues in this country. It could easily be the keystone in the continuing prosperity of this nation.”

    So he has to at a minimum explain what specifically was wrong with the agreement – if anything. It’s the only way we will understand how he will deal with trade in the future.

  • .. the cook at the WH has more years there than ‘la clinton’ yet she does not claim experience in the policy making side of the running of the WH … why would you believe that ‘being there’ is equal to ‘playing the game’ like that clinton cunt is claiming … 80,000 fans looking at Brady throwing the ball do not claim success for completion when Moss spikes the ball ….
    If clinton -the monthly bleeding one- wants to claim experience then she should accept the blame associated with the failures of the other clinton as he ran the place for a few years as preznit …..
    As I have said since 2004 -it took me a while to realize this- that whore was ‘on watch’ when w happened … a word from the WH in 2000 would inevitably have slowed down the process that was pushed down everyone’s throat of if not stealing at least ‘fixing’ the election … Gore would have been more embarrassed to steal as much as the repubs have -$$$$TRILLIONS$$$- IN SO FEW YEARS …. The US really needs to have a weekly TV comedy show pointing that out as it seems that those merkuns buffoons will only believe if the TV ‘says’ so …

  • Yeah, Hillary will work harder than everyone else, like the way she has worked so tirelessly to stop the Iraq war, and to prevent that disaster from being expanded into Iran.

    cough.

    I’m also leery of the “Hillary has experience” line. Sure she has some, but does she have much more than any of the others? I don’t see it. I mean, I like Hillary Clinton, but we’re talking about borderline nepotism here. I would say the same thing if Roselyn Carter ran for office, and she’s also a great person. And would Democrats accept the “experience” credentials of Laura Bush, even if she wasn’t a robot? Seriously?

    I hope Edwards and Obama team up because they would knock the Republicans out of the ballpark. If we end up with Hillary the thugs will have a field day with all the sexual inuendo plus the “meaning of is” BS, plus all the rehashed crap from the 90’s which the moron media let stand and become “truth” for so many people.

    Hillary is damaged goods. We need a new team captain, not one who’s running on the record of a team that’s been in retirement for 7 years.

  • Antitrade, hiking corporate taxes in the midst of a recession. The next president of the US is coming from these bunch. No wonder the stock market is tanking.

  • There are a lot of reasons to dislike and oppose Hillary Clinton. Her gender is not one of them (and, FWIW, at age 60 she’s likely not “the monthly bleeding one” anymore).

    Kindly fuck off, now. Thanks.

  • … again I say: show me what bill did that was so great that the world market would not have accomplished through its own greed …. me thinks that the saying: “the office that sanctifies the holder of it …” is taken to an absurd extreme.
    Never having bothered to learn much about the verbiage of blogs I am curious as to why RacerX writes that I am a troll … vaguely associate the word to a negative form of writing but I am not sure … then again you writing to tell me what is what in the context of a troll act will/does imply that you will have to spend time defining my error and I know that this least bit part of you answering me is/will be ‘feeding the troll’ .. I read that somewhere … if it helps to assure you of my integrity in asking in earnest such an explanation you can attribute it to the fealties of verbal/written/human communications but the counterweight to balance in my favor is to tell you that I have been writing a book for the last 25 years and I am close to finishing and publishing said book -another 30-35 years should do it- said book is about Truth and its universality … I do not LIE!!! …. humans can not claim control of such a force and it is not required that humans approve for/of 2 and 2 equals 4 for it to be true in whatever time context and spatial plane ..

    in the least I am wondering if you have not made another mistake at #16 and what does TR’d mean … do not worry if the explanation is complicated I am quite endowed in the glands dept …. I’ll figure it out … in fact I will go now and figure it out …. if it is not something infantile .. as a reciprocal I sure hope that you understand my reply …

  • And would Democrats accept the “experience” credentials of Laura Bush, even if she wasn’t a robot? Seriously? -RacerX

    I also refuse to accept being First Lady as experience. If proximity to Bill Clinton in the Oval Office counts as experience, Monica should be Secretary of State.

  • Just for the record, rolandc has no idea what a troll is, but he kinda sorta knows what feeding the troll means…cause he read it…somewhere…once…and he sure knows how to be a flaming a-hole on a liberal blog. how to piss people off, and how to try to make a thread all about him…

    But he’s not a troll…really…

    Thou dost protest too much, go back to patrolling your bridge, Sparky. You can “again, I say” all you want, I suspect people are now ignoring you. As well they should.

    Meanwhile, the point I was going to make to make before roland made me giggle, was that Obama really shouldn’t score any points for being nice to Biden. Really what he did he have to lose? Nothing. What does he stand to gain? The support of Biden supporters when they see the writing on the wall. Biden’s nowhere near top-tier and yesterday isn’t going to change that. Certainly no threat to the Obama campaign, neither is he one to Edwards, nor Clinton. It was a nice gesture, but one that had more to do with brownie points than it does a discussion of any depth. It should be dismissed with the same degree of neutrality a juror sould feel if he happens to sneeze while listening to testimony from an accused serial killer and the defendant says “God bless you, here’s a tissue.” Not equating Obama with a criminal, just saying both scenarios are not germane to their respective Big Picture and should not be given any weight.

  • I think it was highly inappropriate and wrong to exclude Kucinich from the Democratic (non debate). AND then, have the gall to include, the almost non existently backed Keyes, in the Republican (non debate).

    Who owns the Des Moines Register? Who made these decisions? And Why? If anyone knows….please post the answer.

    Kucinich has at least as many supporters, if not more than the included Biden and Richards.

  • And what do you think of Obadiah Shoher’s arguments against the peace process ( samsonblinded.org/blog/we-need-a-respite-from-peace.htm )?

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