The ‘Huckabee Panic’ revisited

Following up on the extensive discussion over the weekend about the conservative establishment’s aversion to Mike Huckabee’s presidential campaign, Andrew Sullivan notes just how far this sentiment goes among leading bloggers on the right.

Ace, for example, who few would consider a moderate, is even willing to vote for Hillary Clinton over the former Arkansas governor.

Not that what one blogger thinks matters that much, but if Huckabee gets the nomination, I’m voting Democratic. It’s not just an idle threat; I just won’t vote for him and in fact won’t even vote third party or stay home. I’ll vote for the Democratic candidate, even Hillary. I won’t be a party to selling out everything the party is supposed to stand for to a liberal ideology. If we’re going to have eight years of liberal rule, I’d rather the Democratic Party be governing, so at least they can take the blame.

Dan Riehl, another blogger who no one would mistake for a centrist, agrees.

[If Huckabee] buys the Republican nod with a smile, a prayer and empty promises, I’m done.

That Presidential “R” in 2008 will stand for nothing I believe in. The guy is slick but doesn’t even look competent. And if Republican primary voters are that stupid, they deserve to lose next Fall. To pass over McCain, Thompson, Romney and Giuliani ONLY because someone’s slick and a Jesus Freak, which makes him your average televangelist — forget it…. Frankly, I think Huckabee just might be worse than Hillary….

And Glenn Reynolds conceded today he’d vote for Edwards over Huckabee.

Basically, I believe that both would have similar socialist/populist programs, but that Republicans would combine against Edwards’ programs, producing useful gridlock. On the other hand, Dems would be only too happy to go along with Huckabee’s programs, and too many Republicans might do so too, out of party loyalty.

There’s no shortage of possible explanation for this kind of revulsion.

* It’s the culture: Kevin Drum argued (and I agree) that the right’s opposition to Huckabee stems from the right’s discomfort for his yahoo-ish qualities. “Huckabee, it turns out, isn’t just giving lip service to evangelicals, he actually believes all that stuff. Among other things, he believes in creationism (really believes), once proposed that AIDS patients should be quarantined, appears to share the traditional evangelical view that Mormonism is a cult, and says (in public!) that homosexuality is sinful…. I think this brand of yahooism puts off mainstream urban conservatives every bit as much as it does mainstream urban liberals.”

* It’s taxes: The Club for Growth has gone after Huckabee with a vengeance, in large part because he broke GOP Cardinal Rule — he raised taxes, quite a bit, and didn’t apologize for it. This makes him a liberal, and disqualifies him from being the Republican nominee.

* It’s foreign policy: Huckabee has humiliated himself, repeatedly, making nonsensical comments about national security, foreign affairs, and military affairs. As one observer put it, “Regardless of how [Bush] ran in 2000, hawkishness has become the absolute cornerstone of Bush’s governing philosophy as far as the conservative elites are concerned. Huckabee is more or less openly clueless about foreign policy. That threatens the raison d’etre of war-party cheerleaders like Rich Lowry.”

* It’s immigration: If you’ve stopped by Malkin’s site lately, you’ll see Huckabee’s liberal immigration policies as governor make him persona non grata in far-right circles.

* It’s electability: Some conservatives may actually agree with Huckabee on all of the issues, but they’re terrified of a Democratic landslide in 2008.

* It’s all of the above: The opposition is so broad, one explanation may not be sufficient.

Am I missing anything?

I think the smarter ones understand that once he’s the nominee–standing unambiguously loud and proud for the things the likes of Bush and Romney pay lip service to, but don’t really believe in–they’ll never be able to sell the Christianist base on the likes of Bush and Romney again.

  • Ever since the 1988 Republican Convention I have said that it is not possible to be a good Christian and a Republican.

    I think Huckabee is proving my point. Huckabee is getting killed by the GOP for many of his views that stem from compassion which comes from his Christianity. Huckabee has changed some of his principles to be less Christian and more Republican: immigration comes to mind.

    It seems the only Christians who are allows in the Republican Party are the moneychangers. Ooppps, weren’t they the people that Jesus wanted to kick OUT of the temple??

  • I still contend that they hate him not because he will lose badly, but they fear he will win. And he just might against Hillary. His populism is appealing to a broad swath. And he’s quite personable and affable. (Yes, WE know he’s a seriously flawed candidate who does not deserve anything akin to a national stage.) But if Huck won, or came pretty close in what should be a landside Dem year, the neo-cons and the fiscals know that the theocons would never ever back down again. And that truly is why they fear him. No longer would they be allowed to just give lip service and a few bones to the religious right, they would demand real actions on their agendas.

  • Huck actually cares about racial and economic equality. Those things terrify the hard right, who like their deeply inquitous society just the way it is.

  • Glenn Reynolds: “Basically, I believe that both would have similar socialist/populist programs, but that Republicans would combine against Edwards’ programs, producing useful gridlock. On the other hand, Dems would be only too happy to go along with Huckabee’s programs, and too many Republicans might do so too, out of party loyalty.”

    hmmm…. does that imply that our government might actually get something DONE?

    (is huckabee really jimmy carter in republican clothes?)

  • I’ll add a sixth specific – branding. Fear that Huckabee will get the GOP stereotyped as a regional southern christianist party, not just for this but for future elections.

    As with all stereotyping, it takes some real correlation to make the stereotype believable.

    Which wouldn’t bother them if they really thought southern christianist were a future positive selling point, but the demographic trends seem to be against this.

  • Why stop at “Huckabee” panic? Seems to me there should be panic no matter who runs as the GOP nominee, because none of them has broad enough appeal. McCain’s endorsements reflect, I think, a case of seeming to pick the least crazy/incompetent candidate, but that kind of flew out the window when Lieberman endorsed him – Lieberman’s endorsement more or less confirms that McCain isn’t “the guy” either.

    If they ran as a committee, they still wouldn’t have what it takes.

  • I won’t be a party to selling out everything the party is supposed to stand for to a liberal ideology.

    Herein lies the problem. They think Huckster is a liberal.

  • Huckabee is all they have; the rest of them are so corrupt that they stink, and even the general public knows that. The powers that be in the republic-thug community don’t like Huckabee because he might not let them steal the dome off of the capitol (which is all that is left after Bush/Cheney). Thay have no worries though; they will eat Huck alive for breakfast and wonder why they don’t have any credibility left.

  • All of this back and forth about Evangelicals is counterproductive. In law school terms, the Evangelicals are necessary but not sufficient to guarantee a Republican win. So both sides of this need to realize where they are. Evangelicals, I get that you want to vote first on your core beliefs and then on your political views. I’m the same way. But you have to realize that you can’t get the other wings of the party to jump onboard the Huckabee campaign. It just isn’t going to happen. You’re guaranteeing a loss. Find a candidate that’s acceptable on the social issues. Tax of foreign policiy guys, Evangelicals WILL NOT get behind someone who conflicts with them on social issues. It’s never going to happen. So pick a guy with an acceptable tax and foreign policy record. You guys better get together fast or we’re going to end up with a Giuliani/Thompson ticket being beat by an Obama/Biden ticket.

  • Is there a single Republican candidate who had, I dunno, actual experience?

    Huck seems to have no less than all but McCain, and we know how well McCain and Cheney have run the show… 28%.

  • And Huckabee’s just a bad Republican candidate, not because of his ideology but because of his political philosophy. He’s a caretaker politician. a guy who sees himself above the poor and minorities and the otherwise afflicted, that it’s his job to lift them up. That’s a fine philosophy for a pastor, but it does lead to a nanny-state. It’s a policy question: How would Huckabee lift me up? Would he encourage me to have more or less kids? Would he not allow sex education? Would he stop the teaching of evolution? Would he take my tax money and put it into social programs that I don’t necessarily believe in? This patriarchal approach is decidedly un-Republican. If Evangelicals like their views imposed on Americans because they are, after all, their views, wait until that precedent is applied by a Democratic president. Hillary’s nanny-state would pass out condoms in junior high schools, allow marriages between men and monkees, and eliminate our borders in favor merging the US with Europe. Huckabee’s approach will never work because when people use it who disagree with you, you’ll hate him for it.

  • “I’ll vote for the Democratic candidate, even Hillary.”

    Off on a tangent to this topic, there are a lot of Republicans out there who might vote for a Democrat if it isn’t Hillary. It’s irrational, it makes no sense, and she’s the most conservative Democrat running, but the Republicans hate her furiously and will work very hard to defeat her because… well, just because. With another Democrat as the nominee, they’re dispirited and won’t give a damn who wins.

    Huck is the ideal Republican nominee. He’s got my vote in the primary.

    Except that I’m a registered Democrat and can’t vote in that primary 🙂

  • Off on a tangent to this topic, there are a lot of Republicans out there who might vote for a Democrat if it isn’t Hillary. It’s irrational, it makes no sense, and she’s the most conservative Democrat running, but the Republicans hate her furiously and will work very hard to defeat her because… well, just because. With another Democrat as the nominee, they’re dispirited and won’t give a damn who wins.

    The hatred of Hillary is rooted in the fact that she’s an actual, honest-to-god, unapologetic conservative. She’s an incrementalist, don’t-rock-the-boat, triangulator who wants to make everyone happy, meaning that the status quo is utterly safe under her direction. She’s not going to do anything more radical in office than change her hair style.

    Wingnuts hate true conservatives because the wingnut talking points aren’t geared towards attacking true conservatives. Everyone who opposes the wingnuts but isn’t a liberal needs to be attacked with completely outrageous lies about their place on the political spectrum and thoroughly ridiculous personal attacks.

    I don’t care for Hillary’s conservatism either, but as I’m not a wingnut I’ll criticize her for being what she is–a conservative–rather than have a conniption because my talking points have failed me.

  • Forgot to add this at the end: just because wingnuts claim the mantle of conservatism doesn’t mean they’re in any way whatsoever actually conservative. Keeping that in mind helps explain a lot about them.

  • Huckabee does represent the poor folks the Rethugs have been hustling during the past several years for the corporate ruling elite and against the best economic interests of those people. The panic is delightful, though I sure wouldn’t want to see Huckabee as president. I must say if somehow Edwards and Huckabee ended up the candidates, it would almost restore my faith in representative democracy. But if they both win Iowa (a distinct possibility), the ruling elite will bring out all sorts of big guns against them. Government for the people–no,no,no–only for the right sort of people.

  • Mike @ #13 says “Hillary’s nanny-state would pass out condoms in junior high schools, allow marriages between men and monkees, …”

    Which Monkees? Davy Jones, Peter Tork….?

    I’m sorry. I couldn’t resist it.

    On topic, I hope he gets the nomination. In a general match-up between Huckster and Obama, Edwards or HRC, it will become crystal clear just how far the Republicans have slid from being a serious, responsible, electable party. Even the great mass of disengaged suburban voters won’t be able to vote for Huckster.. It would be too embarrassing. He’s a young-earth creationist, for chrissakes. Essentially, the guy believes in Santa & the Easter Bunny.

  • It’s really odd, because the only republican I fear beating us is Huckabee. The base in general loves him, and he is just so gosh darn likable (in that fascist way) that independents can be won over.

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  • So they now want romney the gumby candidate because he can become what they want. A tax cutting war monger that can talk religion but does not really believe in it.

    Mccain is so desperate he trots out liberman, a man no one trusts. Hard to see that getting him any votes.

    Guilani is done, and he’s just waiting it out. Same for the mediorcre actor, old what’s his name..

  • Scu, I used to be concerned about Huck because he has humor and seems human. But not anymore – he will get creamed in suburbia, particularly with moderate, educated Republican women (and independents). Between the rapist and the Southern Baptist Submission letter, he is toast in a general election. Particularly since the Club for Greed and Violent Xenophobe wings of his base will be lukewarm about him at best. And he has such a huge learning curve on even basic issues compared to literally any currently announced Democratic candidate that he will get cut to ribbons by them. Best of all, while he often appears humorous and nice, by all accounts from Arkansas he has a temper – and once he starts getting cut to ribbons by the Dem, I bet it shows, meaning he loses the only positive attribute he has to begin with.

    Romney the RoboCandidate is the only one with the persona, the institutional support, and the independent wealth to present a real threat.

  • all this rhetoric is follishnes and an intent denial to dismiss truth. The Demo-wacks have had control over congress for 2 years now and have done NOTHING but fund pork barrel projects and have not come close to making any kind of real progress that the promised their poor demo-wack supporters. Thee credibility is SHOT! and as for Huckabee… People fear that he will win, which he is… At this point I will vote for anybody other than a Demowack. i am so frustrated that I have changed party position and will vote Repub this year.

    christmas is the celebration of the birth of jesus christ and if anyone do not want to celebrate it then don’t but remember, each time you give a gift to someone else, you are mimicking the 3 wise men that gave gifts to jesus at his birth and most importantly, you are mimicking the giving factor that God gave his only begotten son to the world. So whether you formally ccelebrate or deny it, each gift given is a reflection of God Giving Christ to the earth as a gift. and i am happy to have received a merry christmas wish from a governmental official.. which that does not happen at all now a days! I am so proud of Huckabee i do not know what to do. He is a man of principle and he surely just sealed the deal with my vote. He will win and big he will, and while the pundits try to demise him, or his other political rivals try to make him look bad. They may want to look at the mirror at themselves. You got flip flopping mitt, dead fred, pimped out guiliani and no brain mccain.

    And as for the Dems: you got Hell-ary that have sold her soul to the left party lobbyist in america, and you got chronic smoking Obama? which neither one has ANY experience in foreign policy. If it was not for Hell-ary having bill clinton last name, she would not even be known.

    Huckabee is the sure winner and will win big. I can not wait for romney to get out of the race. i bet he will go back to hiring illegals to work in his yard. check more out about him at http://www.massresistance.org he is the biggest flake since kellogs!

  • Wow dude. Sha, you really showed us about “hell-ary”. You must have that post saved for times like these. Good luck with your creationism and all that.

  • I soooo want the Republicans to nominate Huckabee.

    Oh my God that would be good.

    Talk about self-immolation. Yes, they may be that stupid.

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