Reality catches up with Giuliani

Various polling outfits have been asking voters about their 2008 presidential preferences since, believe it or not, 2005. And in every national poll for more than two years, former mayor Rudy Giuliani has led the Republican field, often by quite a bit. It led the political world to give Giuliani an awkward title: frontrunner.

It was awkward, of course, in large part because it didn’t make any sense. Giuliani had extremely high name recognition, which buoyed his national standing, but in the early primary/caucus states, his support has been somewhere between bad and awful since the summer. Giuliani’s campaign has clung to the notion that he could suffer huge defeats in all of the early contests and still win the nomination thanks to the support reflected in the national polls.

Except, as it turns out, that support was very wide, extremely thin, and now completely gone.

Two weeks before the Iowa caucus, the race for president, while tightening among Democrats, is wide open on the Republican side, highlighting the unusual fluidity of the first campaign for the White House in over a half-century that doesn’t include an incumbent president or vice president.

A new Wall Street Journal/NBC News poll shows that Rudy Giuliani has lost his national lead in the Republican field after a flurry of negative publicity about his personal and business activities, setting the stage for what could be the party’s most competitive nomination fight in decades.

Last March, the same poll found that 58% of Republicans had a favorable view of Giuliani. That number now stands at 37%. In other words, GOP voters aren’t just shifting their allegiances as the race gets more competitive, they’re also looking at Giuliani more, and are increasingly unimpressed. Josh asks, “Is there any rationale for still calling him the frontrunner?” I think not.

One other noteworthy trend in Republican polls is the growing distinction between faith-based voters and everyone else.

A new ABC/WaPo poll in Iowa shows a two-man race between Mike Huckabee and Mitt Romney, which is consistent with everything we’ve seen in recent weeks, but highlights the key factor driving the Iowa contest: religion.

Religion is driving the Republican presidential race in Iowa, with Mike Huckabee taking the lead on the strength of overwhelming support from evangelical voters — and Mitt Romney falling behind over concerns about his Mormon faith.

Huckabee, who jumped into contention in Iowa a month ago, has soared further among his key groups — weekly churchgoers, abortion opponents, conservatives and, above all, evangelical Protestants, who account for nearly four in 10 likely caucus-goers. They now favor Huckabee over Romney by a 3-1 margin, 57 percent to 19 percent.

Romney, for his part, holds a slight lead among the nearly eight in 10 Iowa Republicans who say his religion doesn’t matter in their vote.

That’s probably a predictable result, but it’s still striking. It’s been obvious for a while that Huckabee’s ability to rally evangelicals is the key to his support, but it’s unusual to see this kind of stark contrast — those driven by matters of faith are backing the former Baptist preacher, everyone else is gravitating towards the more policy-focused governor/businessman.

Welcome to the GOP’s Intra-Party Culture War of 2007.

Damn – this country needs another frontman for the criminal cabal that propelled and AWOL alcoholic/cocaine addict chimp into the pResidency via 2 stolen elections – rudy was going to be the perfect “tool” – complicit in 9/11 and totally compromised in his personal life…

He can still “win” – not via honest elections, of course. If the MSM can cover up the vast criminal enterprise behind the bush administration, they can do the same with this fool. Don’t kid yourself – IT CAN HAPPEN HERE!

GREAT CRIMES DEMAND EVEN GREATER CRIMINALITY!

  • I never thought Giuliani would survive the scrutiny of a wider segment of the population, especially if he was forced to talk about something other than 9/11; as Steve said last week, the more people see of him the less they like him.

    The God factor is an interesting element in the whole equation, and I think where this is all going to lead is to a knock-down, drag-out between the religious sector of the GOP and the more traditional (and not neo-) conservative sector. I think both want party primacy in a big way, but the traditional conservatives can’t get any traction in the media. I think if the theocrats win – assuming the sub-war that is going for which brand of religion will be dominant is settled – the party definitely loses, and I think that starts a long-term battle within the party that will occupy them for years, and which will see them going down to defeat in election after election.

    You would think that would help Giuliani – that he could slide in as the somewhat-tarnished-but-human Catholic who is not making religion #1 on his hit parade, but…I think he just gets lost in the shuffle. There’s an arrogance about him that is really distasteful, he couldn’t tell the truth if his life depended on it, and while his authoritarian approach has some appeal to those who are gluttons for punishment, I think there are enough people who have had enough of that that it doesn’t help him, either.

    And while McCain is gaining a little ground, I look for Romney and Huckabee to kill that effort once and for all, in some way that will remind everyone of Karl Rove, bless his tiny black heart.

  • It’s been threatened before, but could this be the year it actually happens? Could this be the year where the secular conservatives & the Evangelicals who all huddle in the Not-All-That-Big-of-a-Tent called the GOP finally throw down? I always figured, if it happened at all, the Evangelicals would get fed up with the Republican party and splinter off into an attempt at a third party. But more and more, it looks like maybe the seculars and less “devout” Christians might just give up the ghost and splinter off themselves, leaving the Republican party in the hands of the holy rollers and snake handlers.

    Either way, I couldn’t be more pleased.

  • Welcome to the GOP’s Intra-Party Culture War of 2007…

    Predicted this internecine battle over three years ago.
    But that was easy: It is a cyclic thing for the Republicans…

    But here is the thing:

    If Huck wins this will develop into an Intra-Country Culture War.
    It will be framed as the Godless against the Christians.
    Sprinkled with various leitmotifs such as:
    Evolution versus Creationism.
    The need for prayer in school.
    etc.
    etc.

    Quite frankly I am almost rooting for the Huckster.
    I’ve got faith that the God Party will get smashed to hell in the election.

  • Do you remember Kennie Blackwell—that sniveling little fundie twit who, as Secretary of State, handed Ohio to the Bushylvanians last time ’round?

    Do you remember how soundly the Buckeye State’s voters pounded him into the ground last year?

    That’s about how much of a chance the Huck-A-Vangical will have in Ohio, come November. So let this “Hound of the Baptist-Villes” be their new “frontrunner”—he’ll never sit behind that desk in the Oval Office, because he cannot win Ohio. Even a united 100% of the 28-percenters will never mathematically overcome a mere 50% of the remaining 72%….

  • I don’t think any of the Republican candidates stand up to even a mild degree of scrutiny. Flaws exist in each which the constituency will find an abomination. My question is: whom is Fox now pimping? Fox is the bellwether.

  • There is a possibility that McCain could emerge from New Hampshire in second place: the MSM would portray this as a great victory, because they have a man-crush on him; Republicans could easily rally around him and there would be a serious candidate to contend with.

  • Welcome to the GOP’s Intra-Party Culture War of 2007.

    I’ve been waiting for this to happen for the past quarter-century. Still not convinced that it will. The reason the theocrat/plutocrat coalition has held as long as it has was that the theocrats were too thick to see how they were being used. I could see the GOP money types torpedoing Huckabee and the fundies once more meekly doing infantry duty against the liberal menace.

    I will say I’ll doing a happy dance if they really end up at each other’s throats. These two collections of bozos completely deserve one another.

  • No surprise that Giuliani’s tanking. He struggled in three out of four previous campaigns because people caught on that he was a corrupt asshole who wouldn’t have a clue what to do once in office (losing to the unpopular Dinkins, barely beating the even more unpopular Dinkins four years later, and totally tanking to Clinton in the Senate race before cancer gave him a face saving excuse to get out of it; he only won his mayoral reelection convincingly, mostly because of internecine Democratic fighting in their primary that killed the party for the general election). I guess we can make it four out of five now.

  • jimBOB, you are probably right that they won’t let Huckabee have the nomination, but it is questionable whether the fundies will stay loyal after they are revelaed as used–and I think that will become clear this year. If by some amazing circumstance, both Huckabee and Edwards got the nominations, Bloomberg will run and start the New GOP. But that would still be great. then, it would be clear–the working people’s party (Dems), the theocracy party (fundies), and the corporate party (Bloomberg and friends).

  • As jimBOB #9 says, it’s always been an unholy and unlikely alliance, the party of greed and selfishness united with the fundamentalists. Neither can win by themselves, but together they’ve thwarted progressivism for decades in this country.

    But I don’t think there’s any hope of busting this combo up for 2008, and no matter how you attack this multiheaded candidate monster, no matter how many heads you chop off, there’s got to be one head left, and no matter which one it is, the damn thing is still a monster.

    The Republican Party is just the godawfullest thing that ever happened to America, in its present configuration. The two factions just seem to be stuck with each other, fused into one. Doesn’t matter how much they war with each other, they hate the liberals and that unites them.

  • I agree with R.Johnston in comment #10, and as I mentioned a few months ago, it wouldn’t surprise me that Rudy is already looking for another ‘face-saving’ exit strategy, before the results are in that could actually prove that he’s full of shit.

    ‘… wanting to spend more time with his family…’ ‘grin’
    ‘… recurrence of his cancer…’
    ‘… announcing a ‘new’ girlfriend at a press conference…’

    he’ll rather do the last embarrassing option, just to avoid having to admit he’s beaten. That way he can blame it on the media.

  • I think Billy is right. MSM/Murdock want Giuliani and Clinton in front. And either candidate would feed the corporate world the eats they are after, so it’s a win-win…

  • It should be emphasized that Rudy’s popularity is generally higher in places where he hasn’t done much campaigning, and dropping in places where he has campaigned heavily. If he had campaigned less, he might still be the frontrunner.

  • Bloomberg will run and start the New GOP.

    That would be funny, though I can’t see it happening since the new Plutocrat party would consist off all chiefs and no indians. As hark notes, both halves of the alliance are absolutely dependent on each other. One scenario is that the plutocrats allow the rubes to have Huckabee this year so that when he’s slaughtered in the general they learn their lesson and go back to their traditional role of being good little soldiers. The plutocrats wouldn’t form a new party this cycle, they’d just sit this one out clucking their tongues, and take over again next time.

  • Contrary to some comments here, the MSM has not been holding Giuliani up, they have been ignoring his actual campaign events while doing hatchet job after hatchet job on him. The Russert interview ignored all policy questions and was a non-stop character assasination.

    Now why does the liberal MSM want to hammer Rudy but give a pass to Huck? Because they fear Rudy could beat a Democrat while they assume that Huck will get slaughtered and take the Republican congressional candidates down with him.

  • The Russert interview ignored all policy questions and was a non-stop character assasination.

    You can’t assassinate that which doesn’t exist.

  • Maybe the MSM actually see Rudy for the snivelling little facist he is?

    Sit back children, it’s going to be John McCain after Huckabee destroys Romney in Iowa and John climbs to surprising results in New Hampshire…

    … pundits I again.

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