A ‘present’ for Obama’s opponents? Probably not

A few weeks ago, the Clinton campaign started going after Barack Obama on a series of “present” votes he cast while serving the state Senate. Clinton herself even emphasized the issue in speech in Iowa:

“Now, there’s been a lot of talk about yes or no answers to complex questions. But most people don’t know that for legislators who don’t want to take a stand, there’s a third way to vote. Not yes, not no, but ‘present’ – which is kind of like voting ‘maybe.’ Well, in the Illinois State Senate, on issue after issue, my opponent voted ‘present,’ instead of yes or no. […] A president can’t vote ‘present.’ A president can’t pick and choose which challenges he or she will face.”

It seemed like a possible new line of attack, but the Clinton campaign seemed to drop it pretty quickly. Today, the issue is apparently making a comeback.

The NYT has a lengthy report this morning, noting that Obama voted “present” about 3% of the time during his tenure, including on bills relating to crime and abortion rights. What’s more, while Hillary Clinton has dropped the charge from her stump speech, her campaign has clearly not dropped the issue altogether: “ABC News has learned that the [Clinton campaign] has registered the names of two Web sites with the express goal of attacking her chief rival, Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill…. Votingpresent.com and Votingpresent.org are domains hosted by the same IP address as official Clinton Web sites…. The Clinton campaign intends to use these new Web sites to paint Obama as cowardly.”

So, is there something to this? I looked into it a bit a few weeks ago, but found there’s probably less here than meets the eye.

This post, from Kate Sheppard, summarized the broader dynamic nicely.

This isn’t really new; it’s a recycled Republican talking point. In the state senate, Obama voted “present” on several abortion bills, a bill regarding firearms in a school zone, and one on concealed weapons. Obama says that on the abortion-related votes, he worked out an arrangement with abortion-rights advocates to get Democrats to vote “present” on bills if they feared a “no” would endanger their re-election. It seems like a cop-out, to be sure, but even the presidents of Illinois Planned Parenthood Council and the Illinois Council Against Handgun Violence backed his decisions to vote present. But those points are pretty much moot, since in Illinois voting “present” is essentially the same as voting “no” — without having to go on the record as voting “no.” The Obama campaign has already fired back on their “Fact Check” site. […]

Going after Obama on the “present” votes, especially in places where his vote was advised by progressive advocates, is stooping pretty low for the Clinton campaign.

I probably wouldn’t go quite that far — the “present” votes are a legitimate point of interest — but I think Kate’s right that there’s just not much here in the way of controversy. Particularly on the votes regarding abortion rights, Obama’s position in the legislature was backed by the Illinois Planned Parenthood Council and Chicago NOW. If he was trying to take a cowardly “middle” path, that wouldn’t be the case.

This came up quite a bit during the 2004 Democratic Senate primary, in which Obama’s rivals accused him of “ducking issues,” but the Chicago Tribune’s Eric Zorn scrutinized the votes and, like Kate Sheppard, found that Obama was actually applying a progressive legislative strategy.

“Anyone who says that a ‘present’ vote necessarily reflects that someone is ducking an issue doesn’t understand the first thing about legislative strategy,” said Pam Sutherland, Planned Parenthood’s chief lobbyist in Springfield. “People who work down here and know how things get done are hearing these accusations and saying, ‘huh?'”

In practical terms, a “present” vote is as good as a “no” vote because the law requires a bill to win the votes of a majority of the lawmakers in either body, not simply a majority of those voting.

If “present” sounds wimpy, that’s because it sometimes is. In many cases, according to Paul Green, head of Roosevelt University’s School of Public Policy and a longtime student of Illinois’ byzantine legislative process, lawmakers who anticipate a tough re-election challenge will vote “present” on a controversial bill they oppose so as not to give their prospective opponents a good club to bash them with.

Obama, however, was in a safe district and never faced a serious challenge for his legislative seat. He had no need to shy from hard-line stands on gun control and abortion rights. He actually took such stands frequently and is now highly praised by advocates for both causes. Why would he then vote “present” instead of a resounding “no” on certain bills advanced by lawmakers opposed to abortion rights?

“To provide cover for other Democrats who were shaky on the issue in an effort to convince them not to vote ‘yes,'” Sutherland said. […]

“Criticizing Obama on the basis of ‘present’ votes indicates you don’t have a great understanding of the process,” said Thom Mannard, director of the Illinois Council Against Handgun Violence.

Or you are willing to pretend you don’t to score cheap political points. There’s dirt here all right. It’s all over the hands of those pointing the finger.

Sounds like a non-issue. Obama’s made some foolish mistakes, but his “present” votes apparently aren’t among them.

I’ll defer to those familiar on the ground in Illinois re the state senate votes of “present,” but the problem is it seems to have established a pattern: of more concern are Obama’s “present” votes on some very important, very high profile votes in the US Senate, where it looks a lot more wishy-washy then it may have under the rules and realities in Illinois.

  • I was wondering if this subject would start to take life. I say this only because I received a push-poll call last week-end where the questions were centered on my concern (or in this case my lack of concern) of Obama using a “present” vote on issues like protecting a women’s right to choose. But — this push-poll was not for Clinton….it was definitely a pro-Edwards call. (and yes I am in Iowa)

  • Beth: those push-polls were definitely from Clinton. I received the same call. They are making them out to be pro-Edwards so that Clinton can continue here “likability campaign” during the holidays. Same story with the mail piece that went out yesterday, paid for by Clinton backers, but using an Edwards quote to make their point.

    This is getting sickening. Jan 3rd could not come too soon. If Clinton wins, this country will get exactly the president it deserves. And I’ll be in Cnada, enjoying my free health care, drinking a beer, and mourning the fall of the world’s greatest democracy.

  • I only remember them from a couple of high-profile votes earlier this year when Obama voted “Present” in the US Senate, not Illinois. I think it was related to judiciary candidates — the NYTimes story doesn’t reference any US Senate votes.

    But I do remember it came at a time when I was looking to see who I wanted to get the nomination and the fact he voted Present bugged me. It’s one of the reasons I wound up not wanting him as the candidate.

    Can anyone remember which vote(s) these were?

  • Oh, good grief! Yet again camp Hill will say anything, try anything to discredit Obama. I used to think of Hillary as a good choice, but with each new, rediculous, baseless attack, I like her less and less. America needs a president with class, not another Washington politician who will do anything to get elected.

  • In today’s “Dog Bites Man” news: InevitaBillary uses Republican talking points to make a pitch to the low-information voter.

    Up next: Bush lies–and Cheney hearts torture!

  • Unfortunately, this site, one of the simplest, does not distinguish between “Present-Not Voting” and not votingbecause you aren’t there.

    Nonetheless, Obama was not voting on the MoveOn condemnation, on at least one Iran vote he criticized Clinton’s vote on (she was there, he was not), but as I recall the big controversial vote he was present-not votingwas the July FISA standoff.

  • Quote of the week:

    “He has known poverty in the richest country on Earth, a country that is constantly boasting, that seems to be out of control with self-love. Well, I say let’s have less self-love and pay some attention to our serious critics-and he is one-and his is a voice that’s showing us how to get to the exit from the box that we are all in.”

    – Gore Vidal on Dennis Kucinich

  • Excuse me but when is Clinton going to detail her accomplishments
    while she was present in the White House

  • I was very upset Obama skipped the Kyl-Lieberman vote. It’s almost as much of a sin as voting for it. At least McCain skipped it to (I can only assume to maintain karmic balance).

    Sure, I’m not entirely happy with Obama’s present votes, but I’m more comfortable with those than Hillary’s affirmative votes on several things like the Patriot Act. Better undecided than decidedly wrong.

  • The Kyl Lieberman vote came up unexpectedly and rather unannounced and Obama could not get there in time. I’d rather have that than Hillary trying to look tough again by voting for war.
    I guess we should be thankful for Hillary’s latest line of attack. I guess it’s better than his kindergarten essays, teenage drug use and secret “Islamofascism.”
    If these sily attacks are the best Hillary can do, I’d say Obama’s a pretty solid candidate for the general. Does anyone think she wouldn’t leak something else if she had it?

  • When Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., voted “present,” rather than “yes” or “no” on a handful of controversial abortion votes in the Illinois state senate, he did so with the explicit support of the president and CEO of Illinois Planned Parenthood Council.

    “We at Planned Parenthood view those as leadership votes,” Pam Sutherland, the president and CEO of the Illinois Planned Parenthood Council, told ABC News. “We worked with him specifically on his strategy. The Republicans were in control of the Illinois Senate at the time. They loved to hold votes on ‘partial birth’ and ‘born alive’. They put these bills out all the time . . . because they wanted to pigeonhole Democrats.”

    Sutherland said Obama approached her in the late 1990s and worked with her and others in crafting the strategy of voting “present.” She remembers meeting with Obama outside of the Illinois Senate chambers on the Democratic side of the aisle. She and Obama finished their conversation in his office.

    “He came to me and said: ‘My members are being attacked. We need to figure out a way to protect members and to protect women,'” said Sutherland in recounting her conversation with Obama. “A ‘present’ vote was hard to pigeonhole which is exactly what Obama wanted.”

    “What it did,” she continued, “was give cover to moderate Democrats who wanted to vote with us but were afraid to do so” because of how their votes would be used against them electorally. “A ‘present’ vote would protect them. Your senator voted ‘present.’ Most of the electorate is not going to know what that means.”

    Unlike Senator Clinton who could care less about fellow Democrats, or “down ticket” candidates (and for those that don’t know what “down ticket” means, it is candidates for office that are running for state legislative positions, or Governor, or Senator, not for President, thereby being “down ticket”) Senator Obama was seeking to protect other Democratic state legislators from being boxed into corners the Republicans wanted to force them. The “Present” votes were just that.

  • Well Obama’s obviously not a guy who’s above ducking an occasional vote. I’m actually surprised no one has called him on it before now — particularly if he really ducked 130 votes in the Illinois legislature (not sure where that figure came from). It’s interesting though, that we’ve gone from Obama having enjoyed a bit of a Teflon coating on stuff like this for several months to having this much coverage devoted to the mere registering of a domain name. At this rate, the Clinton people might be able to accomplish their objective without even actually putting up the site.

  • Someone on another site had posted that HRC voted present 75 times in a 3 month period. I have not looked into it to see if this is true, but, if it is, then she could come away with egg on her face – again!

  • This backfired on Hillary, again. The websites are not up – probably too much backlash. And the more I read about Obama’s leadership and strategy behind his planned “Present” votes, the more I’m convinced this is a sharp as well as smart, collaborative leader. Honestly, the more folks read the endorsements of NOW and IL Planned Parenthood and Council Against Handgun Violence, the smarter Obama looks! Hillary’s also begging Obama to talk badly about her and Bill’s Welfare Reform, in which Obama had to increase the childcare subsidies six-fold to avoid the national impoverishment of women and children that ensued when other states didn’t do the same (Marion Edelman, of Children’s Defense Fund, which Hillary still touts as her first “public service” job, criticized the outcomes of the Clinton Welfare Reform this year on Democracy Now!). Hillary’s failed women and children, failed the nation on health care, failed to challenge the big-money corruption in Washington. In fact, she’s embraced the runs around campaign finance laws with the millions in donations to Bill’s foundations and returned favors (NYT and USA Today). No way Hillary, I’m your most coveted demographic, a 50 yr old Latina, and I will never change my vote for Obama. I’m a precinct captain for the first time, organize volunteers in five cities, and all that training is for Obama and candidates like him from now on. Gotta call absentee voters and put the finishing touches on this Saturday’s canvas. Bye-bye, Hillary!

  • vwcat,

    Got a link to that web site you were talking about? I went back and checked the blog where I read about Obama’s 130 “present” votes as a state senator, BTW (wouldn’t want anyone to think I was passing on baseless rumors) and their source turned out to be a New York Times article.

  • Guess you never know. Sounded to me like it could have legs though. 130 seems like kind of a big number.

  • Where was Obama when Dodd needed his help this week? Not “present” – that’s for sure…No Hill…No Joe…Where is the courage??? Not “present” I’m afraid!

  • “A president can’t vote ‘present.’ A president can’t pick and choose which challenges he or she will face”

    A president can, however, use the pocket veto…

  • Let’s be clear, this issue is fair game for the Clinton camp to scrutinize, especially with Obama’s camp constantly highlighting Clinton’s vote on Iraq. The issue is less about the specifics about what Obama’s “present” votes were concerned with, and more about Obama voting “present” at all; as it emphasizes that he is a politician like all of the others, strategically voting one way or another not based on his beliefs on the issues, but based on the politics of the vote. Imagine that from the kid who will take this country in a new direction?!!

  • Senator Obama has never voted “present” in the US Senate. It was the MoveOn vote that he refused to vote on because he thought it was a waste of time, which it was. He voted no on the FISA bill. As far as the Kyle-Lieberman vote, he was in New Hampshire, but he had been told, I assume by Harry Reid (whose son in Nevada supports Hillary) that the vote had been tabled for several days. That’s why he went ahead and went to New Hampshire. And then, behold, the vote came up and he didn’t have time to get back, but he said he would have voted no and I believe him. This is a man of honesty and character, unlike the Clintons who will say and do anything to get back into the White House.

  • A ‘PRESIDENT OBAMA’ COULD HAPPEN: Barack and Mitt Romney are among the strongest candidates. If Obama won, and with an overwhelming Congressional majority, it might not be a reason for anyone (except maybe David Geffen) to celebrate because any [long overdue] Lincolnesque attempt to reverse the inherent slavery of Reaganomics could convulse the World. Yes, we’re in that deep.

    To explain where (I guess) we’re headed, and why, it helps to take a look back. First a warning here Senator; This can be some rough stuff. I assume you’re playing pro-ball here? I mean you wouldn’t leave the Senate to run for President if you’re just playing touch football, right? In any case, we’re into it now, so here goes;

    More than 25 years ago our ruling white majority began Reaganomics; A systematic transfer and/or draining of this nations economic, environmental and diplomatic resources because they concluded that given our liberal democracy the day would come when the ethnic minorities could come to power. And now that day may well be nigh.

    Point being, in practical terms; Let’s say you get into office. And in the first year sign legislation to raise taxes on wealthy individuals and large corporations. [You also order a strategic withdrawl from Iraq.] And so things are looking okay. Projections show revenues will be up and spending down. Feeling comfortable you sign additional social-welfare legislation…And you’ve just stepped into the trap.

    Sir, government, individual and corporate debt is at dangerously high, record levels. Unless we bring in $3 billion of foriegn capital every day we’re broke. Yes, it can be argued that corporate balance sheets are in okay shape. But over the decades the trend has been towards lower credit quality. That is partly because CEO’s borrowed to fund massive stock-buy-backs to cash in options worth billions. Looked at another way; Who predicted Citigroup would be on it’s knees, borrowing at 11% just to survive?

    RFK, Jr. characterized Reaganomics as treating the nation like a company in liquidation. Any reversal (which may
    now be inevitable) will likely trigger a cascade of unpleasant economic outcomes. The most immediate problem would be soaring interest rates and deficits. Eventually hyper-inflation may be employeed to square-the-circle. That’s often the way these things get worked out.

    We sure can’t produce our way out. Much of the manufacturing base was off-shored so CEO’s could report higher earnings to juice stock prices. By the way they also (cruelly) raided employee’s pension funds
    and eliminated healthcare benefits. So now who picks up that tab? Mend those safety nets? At what cost?

    In the 1940’s when Mao’s revolution in China went after the rich, they just moved to Formosa. You think multi-zillionairs will pay-up when they grabbed the money to begin with? Sign publicly financed elections and tax codes simplified for fairness, and everything moves to Lichtenstein.

    Also climate change was ignored. Now we’re on track for what Al Gore has described as a “planetary emergency”. Have fun trying to fund any meaningful curtailment of global greenhouse gas emissions. As President Bush explained, it can be done with nuclear power and advanced battery technology. But doing it quick is the economic equivalent of open-heart-surgery…Meanwhile, who’s fighting where in the World. And with what weapons?

    There’s an old saying in Washington, “The Buck Stops Here”. If you make it to the Presidency, maybe exercise circumspection because Congress won’t. They’re there to spend. You can too, however in charting a new coarse maybe first get a real fix on the downside risk. Then prepare the nation and World; When America changes direction it’s influential. I imagine there’s going to be some rough sailing. If you’re the captain you’ll want to be in control. In any crisis the scrutiny will be intense. However, if you sucessfully navigate the ship-of-state for a term or two, then yes, you’ve earned a celebration, and the Nations highest honors.

  • 130 votes out of 4000 is not a big number (read the New York Times article). Barack Obama voted ‘present’ 3.25 percent of the time over eight years in the Illinois Senate. Until now, Hillary may have gotten away with her slam on Obama’s experience. But now we learn that Obama had 4000 votes in the Illinois Senate. We learn he had the political leadership there to block vote ‘present’ in order to protect fellow democrats from heavily Republican areas. We learn he backed Planned Parenthood with a smart political voting tactic. We learn he had the political savvy and the knowledge of constitutional law to vote ‘present’ on bills that had constitutional flaws or were poorly written. According to the Washington Post, Hillary used the NV (not voting) tactic 75 times in the LAST THREE MONTHS (Sept-Dec.2007) compared to Barack’s TOTAL 130 times in the EIGHT YEARS when he was a state senator. . In his first year in the US Senate Obama authored 152 bills, and co-sponsored another 427. This is the resume of a doer, not a talker. Maybe Hillary should stop talking this up before she endorses him altogether.

  • Providing cover for threatened Dems makes sense.

    It’s not Obama’s votes that stink, its the Illinois procedures that include “present” votes in the majority vote of all votes cast that’s weak. Present votes should be interpreted as “I don’t care, I don’t have enough information, or I’m on the fence.” All legit and sometimes even preferred. Perhaps a failure to get a majority “Yea” should table the bill for a later vote when some “Present”s can commit after more consultation with voters and / or research. Since that will happen after pigs get past the TSA, Obama will play the system the way that gets the proper result. Who can blame him?

    “Doesn’t know the first thing”???
    There must be a LOT more to know than I thought if the bar is set that high.

  • Obama’s unwillingness to take bold stands is in his stride with “consensus-building, come together as Americans” rhetoric. Perhaps he should’ve made a career for himself as an arbitrator. He lacks the backbone to be a bold, decisive leader.

  • So….the candidate promoting himself as anti-status quo…is an accomplished player within his limited experience?
    And what might be the “change” he believes he will make?
    His change will be finding other ways to play the game and promote himself. He sees this election as a popularity contest —– a chance to win the oratory contest.
    I am worried about the next 4 years …. and he hasn’t the guts nor vision to come up with plans of his own that aren’t clones of the more experienced!!!

    If you believe that words speak louder that actions — Obama is your man!

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