Romney parses the words ‘saw,’ ‘march,’ and ‘with’

I had no intention of returning to Mitt Romney’s Martin Luther King story yet again, but the former governor is just making this too easy. The last thing any presidential candidate needs, worse yet one with a history of dissembling, two weeks before the Iowa caucuses, is a flap that leads to embarrassing word-parsing, but that’s exactly what Romney has here.

Mitt Romney acknowledged yesterday that he never saw his father march with Martin Luther King Jr. as he asserted in a nationally televised speech this month, and historical evidence shows that Michigan’s Governor George Romney and the civil rights leader never did march together.

Romney said his father had told him he had marched with King and that he had been using the word “saw” in a “figurative sense.”

“If you look at the literature, if you look at the dictionary, the term ‘saw’ includes being aware of in the sense I’ve described,” Romney told reporters in Iowa. “It’s a figure of speech and very familiar, and it’s very common. And I saw my dad march with Martin Luther King. I did not see it with my own eyes, but I saw him in the sense of being aware of his participation in that great effort.”

Oh my. Consider this nine-word sentence: “I saw my father march with Martin Luther King.” As of now, Romney wants to parse the words, “saw,” “march,” and “with.”

When the questions continued yesterday, Romney added, “I’m an English literature major. When we say I saw the Patriots win the World Series, it doesn’t necessarily mean you were there.”

As Josh Marshall said, “[A]fter all I’ve said about his strengths in the GOP nomination race, I think Mitt owes me a little more than to make a fool of himself like this.”

What’s striking is how unnecessary all of this. Romney could have said, “I was a young man in the 1960s and it’s possible my memory, four decades later, is hazy on some of the details. The important point to remember here is that my father was a champion of civil rights, and my values on the issue are very much in line with his.”

But no, Romney chose a different direction — one that includes debating the meaning of uncomplicated words.

It even came to this.

A spokesperson for Mitt Romney now tells the Boston Phoenix that George W. Romney and Martin Luther King Jr. marched together in June, 1963 — although possibly not on the same day or in the same city.

Romney, according to one piece of written source material provided by the campaign, made a “surprise” appearance at a small march in Grosse Pointe, Michigan, in late June — several days after King led a much larger march in Detroit. Romney spokesperson Eric Fehrnstrom suggests that these two were part of the same “series” of events, co-sponsored by King and the NAACP, and is thus consistent with Romney’s claim that “I saw my father march with Martin Luther King.”

“The record is convincing and clear – George Romney marched with Martin Luther King and other civil rights demonstrators,” Fehrnstrom wrote in an email.

Yes, we’re now down to debating the meaning of the word “with.”

Romney and his campaign really aren’t doing themselves any favors here.

Sigh!

Poor Mitt, he must have a terrible track record on race relations issues from Mass. iff he’s throwing dad George up as his defense…

… and now the defense is getting him in trouble.

You’re right CB, this would have been SO easy to avoid.

  • didn’t the republicans impeach someone who parsed the word “is”?

    *sigh* i guess it’s okay if you’re a republican……..

  • “Patriots win the World Series”? THAT would be something to see — or march with, depending.

  • Isn’t it fun to see Mitt Romney lie through his teeth and then squirm about it when caught? Figuratively speaking, of course.

  • Unnecessary and stupid. We all know how unreliable memory is. If he laughed about it and made a joke about at least his memory was better than Reagan’s, everything would have been fine. He seemed to me to be the best of a remarkably bad group of candidates. Now no one is even marginally better.

  • “George W. Romney and Martin Luther King Jr. marched together in June, 1963 — although possibly not on the same day or in the same city.”

    The parsing list should also include “together.”

    Is Romney aware that Al Gore was denied the presidency for being accused of exactly this kind of nonsense?

  • Greg @ 3, I was wondering if he really said that when I read it. That would be the most damaging part of all. I have always thought he has a problem, as a Republican, of getting all of those have-to-show-i’m-a-macho-man-of-the-house guys to vote for someone named Mitt who named his son Tagg. But if he knows this little about sports, and screws it up so embarassingly (on top of his error on the length of the Red Sox futility) he can write the Republican male vote off completely.

    Although I hear that Tom Brady has one hell of a fastball.

  • It really is interesting that the focus is on Mittens’ memory of what his father may or may not have done in the civil rights arena, instead of Mittens’ own efforts, or more accurately lack thereof, towards the advancement of civil rights.

  • Patriots win the World Series

    I know Tom Brady is good, but I can’t believe he’s that good

  • As a Mass resident (and a Pats and Red Sox fan) who lived through the remarkably underwhelming tenure of Mitt, I now know just how much attention he was paying to our state while occupying the corner office. “Patriots win the World Series”???
    btw-the Celtics look like a Super Bowl contender this season.

  • I actually don’t have a problem with the use of the word “saw” as he claims he was using it. He’s right about the definition, obviously. You can say that the late 1990’s saw a significant expansion of the internet, or that I saw a significant salary increase at my new job. That’s fine. He could very well mean that when he was young, it happened that his father marched with Martin Luther King,

    I’m willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. Of course, I’m a turn-the-other-cheek kind of guy. I’m probably the reason why Dems have trouble winning. Too nice.

    The fact that he repeated this without any kind of verification may be problematic.

  • Despite rampant reports around the internet saying otherwise, Governor George Romney of Michigan did March with Martin Luther King Jr. His record on Civil Rights is impeccable. Here’s the facts:

    GOV. GEORGE ROMNEY AND DR. MARTIN LUTHER KING JR.

    FACT: In The Summer Of 1963, Governor Romney Participated In Martin Luther King Jr.’s “Freedom Marches” In Grosse Pointe, Michigan.

    In 1963, George Romney Gave The Keynote Address At The Conference That Sparked The Martin Luther King “Freedom Marches” In Detroit. “The establishment of these human relations groups came in the wake of several major events (besides the embarrassing racist practices of such suburbs as Dearborn), which took place in 1963 and helped galvanize interracial support and cooperation for integrated housing. The first event was the Metropolitan Conference on Open Occupancy held in Detroit in January 1963. The second event was the Martin Luther King ‘Freedom’ March in June of the same year, the spinoffs of which were several Detroit NAACP-sponsored interracial marches into Detroit suburbs to dramatize the need for black housing. … Governor George Romney gave the keynote speech at this conference, in which he pledged to use the power of the state to achieve housing equality in Michigan.” (Joe T. Darden, Detroit, Race And Uneven Development, 1987, p. 132)

    Governor Romney Marched In July 1963 In An NAACP-Sponsored March Through Grosse Pointe. “The next couple of NAACP marches into the suburbs were more pleasant. Both Grosse Pointe and Royal Oak Township welcomed the interracial marchers. Close to 500 black and white marchers, including many Grosse Pointers, marched in ‘the Pointes’ that July. Governor George Romney made a surprise appearance in his shirt sleeves and joined the parade leaders.” (Joe T. Darden, Detroit, Race And Uneven Development, 1987, p. 132)

    Detroit Free Press: “With Gov. Romney a surprise arrival and marching in the front row, more than 500 Negroes and whites staged a peaceful anti-discrimination parade up Grosse Pointe’s Kercheval Avenue Saturday. … ‘the elimination of human inequalities and injustices is our urgent and critical domestic problem,’ the governor said. … [Detroit NAACP President Edward M.] Turner told reporters, ‘I think it is very significant that Governor Romney is here. We are very surprised.’ Romney said, ‘If they want me to lead the parade, I’ll be glad to.’” (”Romney Joins Protest March Of 500 In Grosse Pointe,” Detroit Free Press, 6/29/63)
    In Their 1967 Book, Stephen Hess And David Broder Wrote That George Romney “Marched With Martin Luther King Through The Exclusive Grosse Point Suburb Of Detroit.” “He has marched with Martin Luther King through the exclusive Grosse Pointe suburb of Detroit and he is on record in support of full-coverage Federal open-housing legislation.” (Stephen Hess And David Broder, The Republican Establishment: The Present And Future Of The G.O.P., 1967, p. 107)
    FACT: As Governor Of Michigan, George Romney Fought For Civil Rights And Marched In Support Of Martin Luther King Jr.

    George Romney Was A Strong Proponent Of Civil Rights And Created Michigan’s First Civil Rights Commission. “The governor’s record was one of supporting civil rights. He helped create the state’s first civil rights commission and marched at the head of a protest parade in Detroit days after violence against civil rights marchers in Selma, Ala., in 1965.” (Todd Sprangler, “Romney Fields Questions On King,” Detroit Free Press, 12/20/07)

    In 1967, George Romney Was Praised At A National Civil Rights Rally For His Leadership. “Michigan Gov. George Romney walked into a Negro Civil Rights rally in the heart of Atlanta to the chants of ‘We Want Romney’ and to hear protests from Negroes about city schools. ‘They had invited me to come and I was interested in hearing things that would give me an insight into Atlanta,’ the Michigan Republican said. Led by Hosea Williams, a top aide to Dr. Martin Luther King Jr., the all-Negro rally broke into shouts and song when Romney arrived. ‘We’re tired of Lyndon Baines Johnson,’ Williams said from a pulpit in the Flipper Temple AME Church as Romney sat in a front row pew. ‘Johnson is sending black boys to Vietnam to die for a freedom that never existed,’ Williams said. Pointing to Romney, Williams brought the crowd of 200 to its feet when he said, ‘He may be the fella with a little backbone.’ Williams said Romney could be ‘the next President if he acts right.’ The potential GOP presidential nominee left the rally before it ended.” (”Romney Praised At Civil Rights Rally In Atlanta,” The Chicago Defender, 9/30/67)

    Photograph: “Dr. Martin Luther King speaking to graduate student Laura L. Leichliter (center) and Michigan’s First Lady Mrs. Lenore Romney in February 1965.” (Instructional Media Center Collection At Michigan State University Archives And Historical Collections)

    George Romney Fought Discrimination In Housing. “President Nixon tapped then Governor of Michigan, George Romney, for the post of Secretary of Housing and Urban Development. While serving as Governor, Secretary Romney had successfully campaigned for ratification of a state constitutional provision that prohibited discrimination in housing.” (U.S. Department Of Housing And Urban Development Official Web Site, http://www.hud.gov, Accessed 12/19/07)

    Photograph: “More than 100 angry white protesters balked at efforts by then-Housing Secretary George Romney, in car, to open their new neighborhoods to blacks.” (Gordon Trowbridge and Oralandar Brand-Williams, “A Policy Of Exclusion,” Detroit News, 1/14/02)

    FACT: In 1965, George Romney Led A March In Michigan To Protest Selma.

    In 1965, George Romney Led A Protest Parade Of Some 10,000 People In Detroit. “Rarely has public opinion reacted so spontaneously and with such fury. In Detroit, Mayor Jerome Cavanaugh and Michigan’s Governor George Romney led a protest parade of 10,000 people.” (”Civil Rights – The Central Point,” Time Magazine, http://www.time.com, 10/5/83)

    The Days Of Martin Luther King, Jr.: “In Detroit, Governor George Romney and Mayor Jerome Cavanaugh called for a march to protest what had happened in Selma.” (Jim Bishop, The Days Of Martin Luther King, Jr., 1971, p. 385)
    FACT: Martin Luther King Jr. “Spoke Positively” About The Possible Presidential Candidacy Of George Romney.

    In His Pulitzer-Prize Winning Biography Of Dr. King, David Garrow Notes That King “Spoke Positively” About The Possible Presidential Candidacy Of George Romney. “King spoke positively about the possible candidacies of republicans George Romney, Charles Percy, and Nelson Rockefeller. He also stressed the need for greater Afro-American unity, including reaching out to segments of the black community that were not committed to nonviolence.” (David J. Garrow, Bearing the Cross: Martin Luther King, Jr., and the Southern Christian Leadership Conference, 2006, p. 575)

    FACT: George Romney Attended King’s Funeral In 1968.

    George Romney Attended King’s Funeral In 1968. “Vice President Hubert Humphrey represented the White House. Senator and Mrs. Robert F. Kennedy; Mrs. John F. Kennedy; Governor and Mrs. Nelson Rockefeller of New York; the mayor of New York City, John V Lindsay; and Michigan’s governor, George Romney, were present.” (Octavia Vivian, Coretta: The Story of Coretta Scott King, 2006, p. 99)

    George Romney Joined Other Prominent Americans In Attending King’s Funeral. “Inside was the greatest galaxy of prominent national figures there had ever been in Atlanta at one time: Robert Kennedy, George Romney, Mayor Carl Stokes of Cleveland, Nixon, Rockefeller, Harry Belafonte, and an endless array of others equally as famous. Coretta Scott King, sitting with her family front and center in front of the casket, looked lovely and courageous and dignified in a black mourning veil.” (Franklin Miller Garrett, Atlanta and Environs: A Chronicle of Its People and Events, 1987, p. 517)
    After King’s Assassination, George Romney Declared An Official Period Of Mourning, Ordered All Flags To Be Flown At Half Staff And Said King’s Death Was “A Great National Tragedy.” “On April 4, 1968, Martin Luther King Jr. was assassinated as he stood on a motel balcony in Memphis, Tenn., where he had gone to lead a civil rights march. The following day, Michigan Gov. George Romney declared an official period of mourning for King. The period extended through King’s funeral. Romney ordered all flags on public buildings to be flown at half staff and asked that the same be done on private buildings. Gov. Romney, in an official statement, said: “The assassination of Martin Luther King is a great national tragedy. At a time when we need aggressive nonviolent leadership to peacefully achieve equal rights, equal opportunities and equal responsibilities for all, his leadership will be grievously missed.” (”Rearview Mirror: Detroit Reacts To King’s Assassination,” The Detroit News, 4/4/07)

  • Say now—am I the only one that’s noticing that the pro-Mittens pushback is all centering around the same “prepared statement?” It would appear that they’re trying to parse “George” and “Mitt” now—wouldn’t it?

    FACT FOR THE MITTENS PLATOON—your candidate didn’t “see” squat. He wasn’t even on this side of the Atlantic Ocean for most of the time you dunderheads are citing in your fact-list; he was on a glorified, two-year LDS campout in France.

    And if you want to cite facts about your candidate, then start promoting lists of things done by Mittens—and not “daddy dearest George.”

  • I guess by Mitt Romney’s logic, George Romney was also shot and killed along with MLK. After all George probably was near a gun that fired at some point, and he did die at some point.

    I knew that Mitt Romney was a douchebag, but I had no idea he was that big of a douchebag. Something tells me Das Base isn’t going to like this lie one bit, especially since Mitt is trying to tie himself to MLK, who they generally regard with disdain.

  • Hey Glad, did you miss the point that George Romney’s civil rights credentials do not apply to Mitt?

    And did you miss the point that Mitt never SAW his dad march with MLK Jr in Grosse Pointe?

    And did you miss the point that Mitt really is screwing this up, probably because staffers like you are misguiding him on the right response (the right response being “my memory is faulty and I misspoke. My dad came out for civil rights early and I support civil rights myself.”?

    Oh, and did we ALL FORGET this is about the Mormon Church’s racist doctrines regarding African Americans and Mitt’s attitude to that doctrine?

  • C Glad, Please use links in the future. When I see a long LONG LONG response, I seldom read it, but I do go to links.

    Thank you for your cooperation.

  • Wow. Romney’s sunk. Not knowing the difference between major sporting leagues is an unforgivable offense.

    Besides, everyone knows the Colts will beat the Pats in game six.

  • Glad, part of the tragedy of Romney using “figurative” language is that it casts unwarranted doubt on his father’s legacy. No one should be questioning where George Romney stood on civil rights; that much is not in dispute. And, as bubba said @ #11, George Romney has little to do with Mitt’s qualifications.

    The problem is that Mitt Romney repeatedly gave the impression to anyone listening that his retinas intercepted photons reflecting off his father who took footsteps without shouting distance of a certain Nobel Peace Prize winner. Turns out that didn’t happen. He figuratively “saw” his father figuratively “march” with (in a figurative sense) MLK. As I said, Al Gore was crucified for less.

  • Er, “within shouting distance.”

    If he had said “marched for MLK” or “march in support of MLK,” that would’ve been fine (if he also didn’t claim firsthand knowledge).

    Although, as doubtful said, what’s worse that nitpicking over figurative language is Romney’s sports mistake. It’s like John Kerry’s Philly cheesesteak order.

  • “When we say I saw the Patriots win the World Series, it doesn’t necessarily mean you were there.”

    Right… but it does mean that it had to happen and it probably means that you saw you it on TV.

  • “I’m an English literature major. When we say I saw the Patriots win the World Series, it doesn’t necessarily mean you were there.”

    This is a malapropism that surpasses even George W. Bush at his most ridiculous. And this is coming from the former f*****g GOVERNOR OF MASSACHUSETTS. The World Series is BASEBALL, and the Patriots play FOOTBALL, you idiot!

    “We say… I saw… You were there…. ” My high school English teacher would be having a cow right now.

    Mitt should have said something like “I was only speaking figuratively. My father worked hard for civil rights, but he didn’t literally “march with” Dr. King. End of controversy.

    What a moron!

  • While I’m nitpicking Mitt’s grammar, I might as well nitpick “conservative gladiator” at #15, who said “Here’s the facts.” Last time I checked, “here’s” means “here is.” “Is” is a singular verb. “Facts” is a plural noun. Noun and verb should agree as to singular and plural.

    And I think that the “conservative gladiator” doth protest too much.

  • Hey, the verbose right-wing poster did make a heck of a case for George Romney and his sympathy for civil rights. Yeah, his church (and the Mittster’s) was officially racist till the late ’70s. But I have it on good authority that not only George but Mitt Himself actually walked around on most of the days when MLK marched for social justice. The Romneys marched to the bathroom, the kitchen, the magic underwear drawer… all kinds of swell places!

  • Mittens: I’m a hunter. I love to hunt!
    Mittens: When I say hunt, I mean I’ve done it a couple of times.
    Mittens: And I killed a wabbit.
    Mittens: I saw my dad march with Martin Luther King.
    Mittens: Or at least my dad participated in an event associated with King.
    Mittens: Well, I mean I sort of imagined it happening and that’s the same as seeing it, right?

    FACT: George Romney Attended King’s Funeral In 1968.

    Maybe that’s what Mittens saw.

  • Okie: Mitt should have said something like “I was only speaking figuratively. My father worked hard for civil rights, but he didn’t literally “march with” Dr. King. End of controversy.

    Or, more precisely, “My father marched in support of Dr. King, even if he didn’t literally stand shoulder-to-shoulder with him.”

    And “End of controversy” should also be part of the recommended quote.

  • 3.
    On December 21st, 2007 at 8:51 am, Greg Worley said:

    “Patriots win the World Series”? THAT would be something to see — or march with, depending.

    Mitt is so familiar with the local teams and what sports they play. Coming from out of state to take the governorship of a state he now so derides, Mitt almost appears an um carpetbagger. But only a carpetbagger in the sense he saw an opportunity. And marched with it.

  • I am *shocked* that nobody appears to have mentioned so far:

    “It depends on what your definition of ‘is’ is”

    …quite possibly the most appropriate comment to retort with on parsing of this magnitude.

  • Ed, that is an interesting op-ed. And its conclusion really does seem to tie together with the primary concern of a vary large portion of the Founders (and of many of those that wanted a Bill of Rights), that being protection of the individual States from the potentially repressive and dominant Federal government (and not protection of individuals themselves). How best to do this than allow each individual State to have a strong militia which, at the time, would have been made up from each State’s citizenry. It is important to also note that the Constitution is primarily a contract between the Fed government and the States, not the citizens, which would explain the emphasis on “State” and “Militia” but not “individual.”

  • When the questions continued yesterday, Romney added, “I’m an English literature major. When we say I saw the Patriots win the World Series, it doesn’t necessarily mean you were there.”

    No, BUT it DOES mean that you WATCHED the game. His analogy is confusing whether or not he was physically there to whether or not he ‘saw’ the Patriots win the World Series (?). His getting the Series and the Super Bowl mixed up proves that he was lying. If you’re lying, and you’re under pressure you’re going to make this type of mistake. Is it me or is it enjoyable as hell to watch him flail and flip flop all over the place? The situation he’s gotten himself into parallels his completely changing his political philosophy in his mid 50’s. In that he didn’t, he’s just saying whatever he needs to say to get elected or out of a sticky situation.

  • Now Romney is a new century “snake oil salesman”. He will say anything to get the rethuglians to drink the kool-aide in ’08 . If the rethuglians were serious about illegal immigrants in this country, they would change the federal law to include a $100,000 fine to the business enitity for every illegal hired by a business and one year in jail for the CEO and/or business owner. You would not need a bus to transport them back to mexico, they would live the next day themselves. The problem is that the Rethuglians want to have it both ways – work illegal immigrants for low wages (nothing), pay no employment taxes or health care and have no illegal immigrants in the country at the same time. What a great country we live in.

  • saw [ saw ]
    Definition:

    Past tense of see1

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    saw

    past of SEE1.

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  • Interesting? How quick to attack Romney when Huckabee is pure slime. Cross that’s a cabinet? Give me a brake. This guy is the true panderer! What a hypocrite! Throw dirt – none better that Huckabee – to drag a persons religion into the Presidential mix just to win a few votes. How low will he go? The guy plays the religion card just like the baptist preacher that he is! Please not another Jimmy Carter! Huckabee’s credentials are nothing compared to the accompishments, both personally and professionally of Romney. Have you seen the family photo of the Huckabee clan? Let the evangelical bigots nomiate Huckabee. They will “kill” the GOP. Of course the religious fanaticals have already taken over the GOP. Huckabee cannot win in a national election – too many intelligent and pragmatic voters outside the “evangelical cacus havens” that worry about having an leader not a pretender.

  • Huckabee took thousands in gifts, records show

    Huckabee records reveal he received thousands in gifts

    Huckabee took thousands in gifts, records show

    A $1,000 pair of cufflinks from a supporter, tens of thousands of dollars of clothing from a wealthy Little Rock businessman and thousands in gift certificates and cash from staff and appointees were among the lavish gifts given to Republican presidential candidate and unexpected frontrunner Mike Huckabee while he was governor of Arkansas.
    The gifts fell within Arkansas’s ethics rules but have raised questions among the governor’s political opponents and ethics analysts at a time when scrutiny of the candidate is intensifying, and are at odds with the humble persona Huckabee has adopted on the campaign trail.

    Article continues

    “Why are these people giving? The reason they’re giving is [he’s] a public official,” said Robert Stern, president of the Centre for Governmental Studies, a non-profit ethics research organisation. “It’s a business decision. They’re going to get at least recognised by the governor.”
    It has previously been reported that when Huckabee and his wife, Janet, left the governor’s mansion, they registered at a department store for gifts to fill their new home.

    A review of state records by the Guardian indicates that during his more than 10 years as governor, Huckabee received thousands of dollars in presents almost every year: gift certificates to sporting goods stores, clothing boutiques and Wal-Mart, a $3,695 pair of cowboy boots, a $500 belt and more.

    In addition, some former Huckabee staff and appointees acknowledged to the Guardian that Huckabee’s chief of staff and a cabinet official solicited contributions from staff and appointees for Christmas gifts for the governor.

    Huckabee’s chief source of largesse was Jennings Osborne, a Little Rock businessman who made his money in the medical testing business. In 1996, Huckabee’s first year as governor, Osborne bought furniture for the governor’s office and a fountain pen for the governor’s use, and regularly sent flower arrangements. In subsequent years Osborne bought Huckabee gift certificates to department stores and clothing boutiques, 200 copies of a book Huckabee wrote, ties, flowers and air travel.

    In 1999, he sent $200 flower arrangements to the governor’s mansion every week, and bought pastries for the office staff, and $250 flower arrangements for Janet Huckabee on Valentine’s Day, Mother’s Day and her birthday. He bought Huckabee more than $20,000 of clothing and spent $7,500 on a party for the governor’s staff and security detail, Huckabee’s statements of financial interest show.

    In February of that year, Huckabee appointed Osborne to the War Memorial Stadium Commission, which oversees the football arena where the University of Arkansas Razorbacks play in Little Rock. The term expired in 2006.

    A former top Huckabee staffer said the governor saw nothing wrong with Osborne’s gifts. “It was because of his background as a preacher,” said the staffer, who asked to remain anonymous. “They typically get gifts. In his own mind he was righteous, so the appearance didn’t matter.” Huckabee is an ordained Southern Baptist minister.

  • I saw the Patriots march in the World Series, when they beat Martin Luther King in four straight games. Well, my Dad did. By “Patriots” I mean the Sox, and when I say “Martin Luther King” I mean St. Louis. And by “march” I mean play baseball. But I stand by the rest, it’s the same thing. Well, my Dad didn’t see it, but heard about it later. Elect me to lead the world.

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