Karl Rove offers hint of what’s to come

It’s very tempting to just ignore Karl Rove and his occasional assessments of the political landscape. After all, as we’ve discussed before, his “genius” has always been wildly exaggerated, particularly when it comes to electoral strategy. On Election Day 2000, it was Rove’s idea to keep his candidate in California in the waning days, instead of campaigning in key battleground states. Bush lost California by a wide margin, and Rove’s strategy practically cost his candidate the election. More recently, Rove’s single recent responsibility was overseeing the Republican Party’s 2006 election strategy — and Dems won back both chambers of Congress in a historic victory.

But Rove’s reputation as the president’s “architect” continues to endure, most notably in conservative circles, so when he offers his take on what’s likely to happen in this year’s presidential campaign , it’s probably worth taking note. At a minimum, if Rove believes it, chances are much of the Republican establishment does to.

Yesterday, Rove told a group of state Republican officials at the RNC’s winter meeting that he sees the path to beating either of the Dems’ top two candidates in November. First up, Hillary Clinton.

On Clinton, Rove said the senator talks about fiscal responsibility but has introduced “$800 billion in new spending and the campaign is less than half over.”

Rove said that “the woman” wants to repeal all of Bush’s tax cuts, and that she can be targeted for voting against “troop funding” in the form of her votes against the Iraq war supplementals.

Specifically, Rove hit Clinton for what could have been her worst campaign moment last year, when she had trouble answering a question about driver’s licenses for illegal immigrants at the Democratic debate in Philadelphia.

The Bush confidant also trotted out one of the lines of attack the RNC has already been working feverishly against Clinton, questioning why she and former President Bill Clinton will not release records from their time in the White House. This, according to Rove, “raises legitimate questions about what she’s hiding.”

And then, Barack Obama.

Rove made it clear that most Republican attacks on Obama would focus on his “accomplishments and experience.”

“He got elected three years ago, and he [has] spent almost the entire time running for president,” Rove said.

Rove added that Obama has only passed one piece of legislation during his time in the U.S. Senate, and during his time in Illinois state Senate, Obama had “an unusual habit” of voting “present” instead of yes or no.

Rove also said that nonpartisan ratings show that Obama is more liberal than Clinton, which he said is “pretty hard to do.”

Now, I don’t doubt that Rove would probably keep what he sees as his most damaging attacks close to his chest, but the man the president calls “Turd Blossom” also has a record of being rather candid about election strategies. He’s sometimes reminded me of a football coach who tells the other team what play he’s going to call and then dares them to stop it.

If that’s the case, I have to say, I’m pretty underwhelmed. His case against Clinton includes warmed-over GOP talking points, and an odd attack about secrecy. (It’s ironic that Rove would accuse anyone of trying to hide documents from public scrutiny, and more importantly, the substance of his attack is plainly false.)

As for Obama, Rove’s case is equally weak. The “present” flap is largely nonsense, and accusing Obama of being a “liberal” is about as cliche as conservative attacks get.

Ultimately, I’m left hoping, once again, that Republicans take Rove’s guidance seriously, precisely because his strategy appears ineffective.

Last month, it was Rove imploring Republican presidential candidates to cozy up to Bush and his presidency. This month, it’s Rove arguing that every candidate in the GOP presidential field can beat every Democrat.

If Dems are really lucky, Republicans will continue to take Rove seriously.

I don’t think they’re listening to Rove any more, he told them to cozy up to Bush but they won’t even say Bush’s name at the debates.

And it is ironic to hear a guy whose people deleted millions of incriminating emails “by accident” and who would be in jail if justice hadn’t been obstructed complaining about alleged secrecy.

  • Shorter Rove lecture.

    Attack: Clinton – Running while Woman
    Obama – Running while Black
    Edwards – Running while Fag

  • Sure Steve…. those attack tactics definitely sound very lame, when you are part of the ‘reality based’ community. However, he is not talking to the reality based community; he’s talking to the rabid Republican base.

    Since most of them have an IQ hovering around room temperature; they will believe him because they have a monopoly on the truth. The truth is what they say it is, it has nothing to do with the facts and reality.

    I’m going to keep my guard up not just until the election is over and we have a resounding victory, but until either Hillary, Obama or Edwards has been sworn in.

    I’ve been doing my part by educating some people in my ‘circle of influence’ about some of the rumors that have been spread about the Democrats.

    Yesterday I had a lady who had never heard about Rudy’s drag queen episodes, announcing his divorce during a press conference, living with a gay couple, having business dealings with people who have harbored Al Qaida operatives, Having New York pay for his mistress’ protection, etc… She ‘kind’a liked him — go figure. At least she doesn’t like him any longer.

    1 down – 100 million more to go… šŸ™‚

  • Actually the “present” flap isn’t nonsense. Obama voted present on a number of reproductive rights bills, when he didn’t need to. He was elected from a liberal district that would have backed his taking a stand in support of reproductive rights. So why didn’t he stand up for women?

    BAC

  • I just noticed that NPR’s coverage for this starts with: The Republican National Committee convenes its winter meeting under the theme “Leadership We Can Trust.”

    Damn, I just snorted coffee all over my keyboard. Reminds me of ‘clean skies,” “healthy forests,” and their other oxymoronic program names. Hell, it may be leadership *they* can trust, but us? Not so much.

  • I agree, except…

    …Rove’s strategy practically cost his candidate the election…

    Rove’s strategy did cost his candidate the election, but in practice it didn’t matter.

  • It doesn’t particularly matter what the Rovites say – no one’s listening to them anymore. If the economy tips into recession over the next few months, nothing short of a military coup will keep the GOP in power in November. But even without a recession they’re probably toast.

    As I’ve been saying for some time, I’ll be astonished if we aren’t inaugurating President Hillary next January. (Unless instead we’re inaugurating President Barack.)

  • Rove’s message is for the media. Since the media adores him, they will “catapult the propaganda” and do his dirty work. They think he’s a mastermind, so they will make up BS to fit his description of how the race should play out.

  • So Rove says the GOP will run against Senate record & use the “Liberal vs Mainstream” argument. (Add some salt and Swiftboating to taste)

    In other words, a rehash of the 2004 campaign vs Kerry. No big news here, we knew that anyway. The question is, how will Obama counter, and how will Dems defend Obama on mass media – that’s the only variable.

  • To BAC,

    The “present” votes were to give political cover to other pols. He did it not because he needed to, but because he was giving cover to others that were in more contested districts that didn’t want to be attacked on the right for their choice votes – a testament actually to his leadership.

    All of the pro-choice groups give him great praise for his record on choice issues. He actually did it for others – not himself – and now it is costing him.

    It’s really too bad people don’t have enough time to learn about these issues fully. An educated electorate would probably never vote for a Republican as they are now – masters of deception.

  • It sounds like Karl will become another “overrated Republican has-been trying to stay relevant”, just like Newt Gingrich.

  • The last time I thought about Rove was, well, yesterday, after reading about the cartoon attack on McCain. Although reports show that the people behind it actually were motivated long ago by MIA/POW issues, the tactic works in McCain’s favor, thus reminding me of Rove’s self-inflicted attacks to make him look like a victim.

    BAC@5 on the “present” votes. Same issue with the Kyl/lieberman vote naming Iran’s Rev Guard a terrorist org. A “present” and a non vote have the same result as a “NO”. These issues strike me as being a bit too symbolic to get worked up about.

  • Now, I don’t doubt that Rove would probably keep what he sees as his most damaging attacks close to his chest

    I agree, the race and terrorism stuff will be subtle- it’s not the kind of thing you say to a group of Republicans in a public meeting, that “We’re going to make the public feel uneasy about Obama’s race and his ethnic background.” You have to hold the card close to get away with it.

    So what the Dems need to do now is look at all these points, and brainstorm a bunch of ways they could respond to them, and then think of the relative strengths and weaknesses of all those responses. And they’ve got to keep that close to their chests.

    Their brainstorms should include a, “Yeah, but the other guy did it!” response to each of the accusations. Rational, relatively honest lawyers (like a liberal lawyer) may not find it natural or rational, but people respond to it very well, and it takes a lot of fire out of criticism, when you can accuse the criticizer of doing the same thing. I’m not saying they should necessarily use it for each point, I’m just saying they should brainstorm one or two of ways of saying it for each point, research that, and then consider it.

    You’ll notice this is a standard tool in the conservatives’ toolbox.

  • CB, I have to quibble with your post. Rove’s strategy did not “almost” cost Bush the 2000 election, it DID cost Bush the election, both the popular vote and the battleground state of Fla. Unfortunately for the country, the SCOTUS was inclined to help him out.

    I have seen more and more references to the 2000 election that seem to have forgotten this point, even on the liberal blogs. I realize that it can become tiresome to lay out the context of that election every time, but I think it’s worth keeping the facts alive rather than letting “Bush Won” falsely become the convetional wisdom. Maybe a footnote should be included at the very least.

  • Now, I don’t doubt that Rove would probably keep what he sees as his most damaging attacks close to his chest…

    Perhaps, in regards to Hillary; however, he seems to nail both Hillary and Obama under his “electoral strategy” for Obama, i.e. – Rove made it clear that most Republican attacks on Obama would focus on his ā€œaccomplishments and experience.ā€ (BTW, on Obama, he points out that Obama votes ā€œpresentā€ a lot, which is apparently a NV.)

    The top three contenders for the Democrats lack of Executive Experience:

    Top Democratic contenders have no chief executive experience among them
    http://www.denverpost.com/opinion/ci_7989420

    In the past, voters have preferred to entrust the White House to those with executive credentials. John Kennedy was the last sitting senator to be elevated into the presidency. Since then, the former governors of Georgia, California, Arkansas and Texas have dominated the list of successful candidates.

    ..But the public remains convinced that the Oval Office is a place for executive talents — which makes the current Democratic field something of an anomaly.

  • Why isn’t that man in jail? Every time I hear his smarmy comments it reminds me that I must vote for a Democrat no matter who it is. While Rove is playing his silly games involving his brand of clever little tactics, he’s missing the fact that people are wanting a serious change in trajectory and what’s pushing for is simply more of the same crap. No little game of “we’ll get Hillary on the driver’s license thing” is going to change the Republican party to make it appealing.

  • The ā€œpresentā€ votes were to give political cover to other pols. He did it not because he needed to, but because he was giving cover to others that were in more contested districts that didn’t want to be attacked on the right for their choice votes – a testament actually to his leadership.

    Sorry, Doug, I just can’t see ā€œpolitical coverā€ as noble. The problem with this country isn’t the maniacle left, it’s the wimpy left being too afraid of ā€œcontested districtsā€ and Republican attacks. It cost Dems too many elections and too much trust in their leadership.

    When it comes to the welfare of this nation, I used to think a wimpy liberal was better than a chickenhawk conservative. But what we should have learned over the past seven years is that, in the end, the one only leads to the other. This election is not just a fight against the right, but against the cow-towing faction of the left, too. . .

  • Re: Obama’s “present” votes on abortion issues. They may actually make him appear less liberal to the general electorate. I suppose a lot of things he’s done that make me uneasy will work that way (i.e, his reaching out to evangelicals, his calling Social Security a “crisis”). I guess that’s why his web page is all about “Believe.” I’ll vote for the Democratic nominee, but it sures makes me unhappy to have to just trust. I’d prefer Edwards because I have a better idea of what he plans to do. With Obama, maybe he’ll be great, but I just don’t know.

    And I agree with those above that Rove is not only no genius, but he’s finished. Some Repubs may continue to follow his advice but they’ll be sorry.

  • Excuse Me but after seeing the way Karl Rove dances I think I would keep a low profile if I was him! HA.

  • petorado said: Why isn’t that man in jail?

    Bingo. Rove has done enough to merit it.
    ~~~
    Bruno said: Sure Steve…. those attack tactics definitely sound very lame, when you are part of the ā€˜reality based’ community. However, he is not talking to the reality based community; he’s talking to the rabid Republican base.

    Yes, but the rabid R base would never vote for Clinton or Obama, so his ravings really don’t matter as far as they are concerned.

  • “On January 17th, 2008 at 10:41 am, phoebes said:

    Shorter Rove lecture.

    Attack: Clinton – Running while Woman
    Obama – Running while Black
    Edwards – Running while Fag”

    You forgot the Republican on Republican Attacks:

    Romney– Running While Mormon
    McCain– Running While Being Against Free Speech (see McCain-Feingold law– the adultery argument is too far in the past, but this law was in this Century)
    Paul– Running while being Anti-Jewish (even though many Republicans are anti-Jewish at heart).
    Giuliani– Running while being a “Jew”liani (playing both sides of the Jew vs Anti-Semite fight against each other)
    Thompson– Running while Sleepwalking (let’s face it, he puts folks to sleep when he talks)

    So that basically leaves Mike Huckabee– the ultimate “Anti-Clinton” BTW as a Governor of Arkansas who DID NOT have anything resembling sex with Monica Lewinsky– as the one Rove et al would love to see standing at the end of the Republican Convention….

    BTW, whoever said Edwards was ‘gay’? While he does come off as a ‘metrosexual’ (see Mike Greenberg of ESPN’s “Mike and Mike in the Morning” for another example of such), as far as I know, Edwards hasn’t been called gay (especially when Republicans can bash Democrat Barney Frank 24/7 for his avowed homosexuality; thus saving slings and arrows that might go Edwards’s way)…. I don’t think even Karl Rove would go that far…. Besides, Edward’s problem is that he is Obama with a few more years of experience; the ‘Blackest White Man’ in the Democratic Party since Bill Clinton. And that’s bad enough!

  • Shawn, how many times did Ann Coulter call Edwards a “fag”? That’s why I used it in my post.

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