Huckabee equates homosexuality with polygamy, bestiality

About a month ago, David Corn took a closer look at a book Mike Huckabee wrote as governor in 1998, called “Kids Who Kill: Confronting Our Culture of Violence,” and found a “fierce culture warrior.” The Arkansan was especially pointed in his criticism of gays.

At one point in the book, Huckabee argues, “It is now difficult to keep track of the vast array of publicly endorsed and institutionally supported aberrations — from homosexuality and pedophilia to sadomasochism and necrophilia.”

It certainly looked like Huckabee was linking homosexuality with sadomasochism, pedophilia, and necrophilia, which is, of course, rather insane. On “Meet the Press” a few weeks ago, Tim Russert asked the former governor about this, and he said the comment in the book had been “taken out of the larger context of that book.”

Russert asked directly if Huckabee considers homosexuality somehow equivalent to pedophilia or sadomasochism. “No,” Huckabee said, “of course not.”

With this in mind, Huckabee’s interview with BeliefNet helped shed some additional light on his anti-gay animus. In context, the former governor had just explained why he wants to change the Constitution to mandate a Biblical definition of marriage, as he sees it. (via Greg Sargent)

Q: Is it your goal to bring the Constitution into strict conformity with the Bible? Some people would consider that a kind of dangerous undertaking, particularly given the variety of biblical interpretations.

HUCKABEE: Well, I don’t think that’s a radical view to say we’re going to affirm marriage. I think the radical view is to say that we’re going to change the definition of marriage so that it can mean two men, two women, a man and three women, a man and a child, a man and animal. Again, once we change the definition, the door is open to change it again. I think the radical position is to make a change in what’s been historic. (emphasis added)

Yep, ol’ Mike’s pretty far out there. Equating two people of the same gender getting married with bestiality may still be part of the Republican Party mainstream, but it should be on the fringe on modern political thought.

I’d just add, by the way, that Huckabee happens to be picking up where Rick “Man on Dog” Santorum left off.

Santorum said the priests were engaged in “a basic homosexual relationship” with “post-pubescent men”, and went on to say that he had “a problem with homosexual acts”; that the right to privacy “doesn’t exist in my opinion in the United States Constitution”; that, “whether it’s polygamy, whether it’s adultery, whether it’s sodomy, all of those things are antithetical to a healthy, stable, traditional family”; and that sodomy laws properly exist to prevent acts that “undermine the basic tenets of our society and the family”.

When the Associated Press reporter asked whether homosexuals should not then engage in homosexual acts, Santorum replied, “Every society in the history of man has upheld the institution of marriage as a bond between a man and a woman. Why? Because society is based on one thing: that society is based on the future of the society. And that’s what? Children. Monogamous relationships. In every society, the definition of marriage has not ever to my knowledge included homosexuality. That’s not to pick on homosexuality. It’s not, you know, man on child, man on dog, or whatever the case may be. It is one thing. And when you destroy that you have a dramatic impact on the quality”.

I just can’t imagine what goes on in the minds of conservatives, that leads them to think of bestiality with such ease. It’s kind of scary, actually.

“A man and three women?” Why dot dot dot that sounds like something MORMONS would do!!!

And a Mormon is running for President! GASP! J’ACCUSE!!!

hmmmmm….

nah, it’s a coincidence. It HAS to be. Right?

  • Let’s see. You can date, love, have sex with, and / or have children with multiple people and the most you’ll get is condemnation.

    If you make honest men/women out of these partners, you’re a criminal?

    If the right thinks fathers are devalued, does it make sense to require them not to marry the mothers of all their children?

    The right has to follow the Bible. Using logic leaves them horribly, frightfully confused.

  • Considering the recent spate of Republican “Sex” Crimes, I’m not all that curious to find out what the Huckster’s taste in porn (but I have the sneaking suspicion I already know.)

  • Huckabee wrote:

    publicly endorsed and institutionally supported aberrations

    CB, one thing I think you’re ignoring is that Huckabee (at least from the quote you keep providing) seems to not be able to provide even one instance of the government or any other institution “supporting” necrophilia, sadomasochism, or pedophilia. I’m not sure I’ve ever even heard of a person engaging in necrophilia, or wanting to. That’s what makes this quote so funny to me– unless there’s more to it, it sounds like Huckabee was going for a home-run of a whopper.

    CB wrote:

    On “Meet the Press” a few weeks ago, Tim Russert asked the former governor about this, and he said the comment in the book had been “taken out of the larger context of that book.”

    Actually, I think you’re doing the publica a disservice by repeating this, CB. When a statement is criticized as taking something out of context, the criticism (at least in the abstract) has merit because the argument then goes on to show how in the context, the statement made more sense (whereas alone, it looked like something it wasn’t). However, Huckabee was dishonest- he didn’t go on to show how the context changes what the meaning of the statement is- he just tried to let people think that since he said the words “taken out of the larger context” he must have some point about his being misconstrued. You could just say that “Huckabee didn’t provide a persuasive defense,” but for people who don’t know better, repeating the nonsense defense Huckabee wrote is going to leave them less able to understand us when we want to argue that someone is taking something out of context.

    This is important because it’s a typical way Republicans distort and smear us all the time. Don’t help them!

  • Like I said the other day, what sounds cool in a sermon in a conservative church often sounds incredibly dumb in the context of a political campaign. We are choosing a President of the United States, not the most orthodox Southern Baptist.

    But to some folks, that amounts to the same thing. Are there enough of them to nominate Huck? Why not? None of the other candidates can possibly win the Republican nomination either.

  • PS

    I guess by one, broad, defintion, NAMBLA is an institution, but that’s about as far as you can go in making a list.

    If you’re going to use a definition of “insitution” that includes special interest groups, and you’re going to put it in the same sentence in which you’re complaining about “public endorsement” (without distinguishing it as “public endorsement” by private individuals, rather than endorsement by state-run institutions), you’ve got to be a liar, because using it that way makes the sentence read as if schools or police departments or some other publicly-run services are setting aside funds or events or facilities for child-rapists or necrophiliacs. That sure as hell isn’t close to happening yet!

  • I think S&M’s getting kind of a bum rap here by being lumped in with pedophilia. Plenty of adults engage in consensual S&M sex and, while I understand it may not be everyone’s cup of tea, it surely doesn’t have the sort of issues — inequality of position, capacity to consent, etc. — that pedophilia does. People’s capacity to lump “all types of sex that I don’t like” into one category (which they typically label as “sick”) always astounds me.

  • Re: my second paragraph of my comment #4

    If you just write “this is taken out of context” without providing the rest of the argument, then if people who don’t know how to make that kind of an argument read it, they might think it’s a matter-of-fact statement (equivalent to “You quoted the statement from something I wrote/said” or something like that) and not part of a criticism. It might leave them unable, when they read “this is taken out of context” somewhere else, to appreciate it as the “cue” it usually is. Then their attention will be turned off when the statement goes on to explain legitimate criticism.

  • Letting gays & lesbians marry changes the definition of marriage about as much as desegregation changes the definition of a water fountain.

    But, if we want to play that game…

    “…once we change the definition, the door is open to change it again…”

    Polygamy once allowed in many cultures, now not.
    Interracial marriages once forbidden, now allowed.
    Remarriage after divorce once forbidden, now allowed.
    We can draw the line anywhere you like. Bride older than the groom? No marriage for you! Wife not taking husband’s surname? Not officially married. Wedding held anywhere but a church? Doesn’t count.

    Again, letting gays & lesbians marry changes the definition of marriage the way women’s suffrage changes the definition of voting.

  • The statement,”taken out of context,” has become an all purpose tool for the pols and pundits to avoid being tarred and feathered whenever they say something offensive and or appalling. As Swan pointed out above, the context that would have rendered the remark perfectly sensible and therefore not offensive/appalling is never explicated. It was taken out of context and therefore perfectly reasonable. Move along folks, nothing to see here.

    It’s the new, rhetorical equivalent of “Mistakes were made.”

  • “It certainly looked like Huckabee was linking homosexuality with sadomasochism, pedophilia, and necrophilia, which is, of course, rather insane. ”

    Of course it is insane. The others can all get married to each other.

  • Aside from the general overarching stupidity of the dog sex comments, one thing that strikes me when so-cons talk about sex is their inability to tell consensual sex (which is just sex) from non-consensual sex (which is illegal).

    I’m not saying cHuckabee’s a rapist or approves of rape (unless the victim is distantly related to Bill Clinton), but I have to wonder about people who apparently don’t “get” the difference. Maybe it all meshes with women submitting to their husbands.

  • Huckabee is essentially a Christian nihilist–believing that without the tenets and rigid structure of (his version of) Christianity the world will just fall apart and everyone will start doing everything, and that he himself will become a polyamorous necrophiliac.

    He is not alone in this belief.

  • The Answer is Orange, maybe we could get Huckabible to lighten up if we convinced him that a sheep or a stump-broke calf has to submit to its “husband”.

  • Serious question:

    How can laws against polygamy be constitutional?

    Example: An American Muslim moves to Cairo and meets an American woman and they get married. Then he meets another American and they get married. Muslim men are allowed 4 wives.

    Now, all three Americans want to move back to the US.

    Why aren’t the marriages valid?

  • ” On January 17th, 2008 at 1:55 pm, slappymagoo said:
    “A man and three women?” Why dot dot dot that sounds like something MORMONS would do!!!

    And a Mormon is running for President! GASP! J’ACCUSE!!!

    hmmmmm….

    nah, it’s a coincidence. It HAS to be. Right?”

    No it’s not a coincidence! That’s why you’ll NEVER see a Huckabee/Romney OR a Romney/Huckabee ticket under the banner of the Republican Party (unless they sell their collective souls to ‘Godless Heathen’)…. Why do you think Romney’s Mormonism has been such an issue in the Republican primaries???? Evangelicals will NEVER accept him, no matter how much he may SOUND like an evangelical, because he is NOT an evangelical– he is STILL a Mormon….

    Actually, if you think about it, a lot of sex in a typical ‘straight’ porn movie IS ‘beastial’: as the stud f@#ks the starlet, he’ll grunt and groan LIKE AN ANIMAL (beast). If the starlet isn’t screaming, SHE may well grunt LIKE AN ANIMAL as well in response to his thrusts…. (BTW, how often do you hear a conversation DURING a sex scene?) Thus the connection from sex outside of marriage (and porn) to beastiality is actually VERY EASY to make if you give it one iota of thought…. And that’s not to mention porn depicting man on man sex, woman on woman sex (with dildos, of course), and any other sort of ‘perversions’ you might want to name….

  • I think the idea of “consenting adults” scares the conservative, so they throw in a bunch of red herrings about non-adults and animals (neither of which can consent to marriage). The only one they throw in that could possibly apply is polygamy between consenting adults, and that one I would say is patently capricious, and this is shown in popular media like “Big Love”.

    The really ironic part about the people who rail against gay marriage is that “conservatives” idolize a slew of biblical characters who routinely practiced polygamy and treated women as property. They want us all to “view their actions in the context of the times”, and then they refuse to look at gay marriage in the context of modern times.

    It took hundreds of years to give women the rights that were denied to them by the “conservatives”, and here they are again, fighting to keep people from having the right to live their lives in peace.

    Something about entrails of priests…

  • They think of them both as being aberrant but why they automatically jump from homosexuality to bestiality within the same sentence is shocking. When I think of homosexuality the other terms just don’t come to mind.
    Santorum is stuck behind progressive ideas. “It’s never been done therefore it should never be done”.

    The institution of marriage became a legal complication with our divorce laws and so is now also considered a legal partnership. Whether you idealize the word ‘marriage’ to mean something more doesn’t matter, among consenting adults two people are legally joined together in a partnership. Republicans like Santorum and Hukabee always try to belittle the issue by equating it with “man and child, man and animal ” etc. or with pedophilia etc which isn’t even related to same sex marriage. They distort and corrupt the discussion by introducing issues unrelated so they can make the situation appear obscene rather than what it really is… a legal partnership. cHuk thinks marriage should only be done to have children but the reality is many people marry for love with no intention of having children. Marriages based on love transcend gender and love is the nature of God. Love violates no spiritual laws and is not unnatural and does not need a license to validate it. Marriage is a legal partnership between consenting adults and requires a license for legal purposes. It is therefore a ‘legal’ issue which should remain outside of theocratic beliefs.

    Once again cHukabee is dragging the pulpit into politics and I stand behind the belief that any ordained minister should refrain from public office as they have already taken an oath they consider greater than the oath to our constitution.

  • “Remarriage after divorce once forbidden, now allowed.”

    Technically, it was once allowed, then forbidden, then allowed again!

  • How familiar are you with the Bible

    Peter was the first Pope

    Jesus went to his house and Peter’s wife’s mother was sick.

    The Pope’s WIFE was sick.

    Times change but the stuff you want to believe is true never changes. Why do you need evidence and facts when you already have your opinion???

  • Here we go again with the definitions and purpose of marriage. My vote is with Bjobotts – “legal partnership between consenting adults”. Not wanting to insult the prejudices of folks like Huck, I married a woman and adopted a kid. But I gotta confess that being a lesbian in a man’s body sure helps as well. Note to those concerned over mixed species marriages – please keep me posted. I am very interested in buying any dogs that pass the right-of-consent threshold.

  • Uh, Peter? Buddy? I was being sarcastic. Calm down…please put the knife back…deep breaths…in through the nose….out through the mouth…

  • A man has a sex change and becomes a woman.

    Question:

    Who can that person marry?

    Answer:

    It depends on the state. In some states he is considered a man. In other states she is considered a woman.

    Will we have to have the definition of ‘woman’ in the constitution?

  • 1) Bad anthropology: Some human societies (admittedly a minority, but a few) have not defined marriage as unions of men and women (for example, I once read about an African tribe where women who run businesses take on some of the gender perogatives of men, including taking wives, and the Na people of China had some pretty unusual practices.)

    2) You’d think that a guy that wrote a book about “Kids Who Kill” and whose kid tortured a dog would know that torturing animals is a childhood behavior for more than a few serial killers, so you might expect him to be a little cautious about casting stones.

  • Shades of Rick “Man on Dog” Santorum.

    What is with Republicans and their obsessive visions of sexual deviancy? Considering that farm state folks have had a tendency to be Republicans these past several decades, the bestiality issue would certainly have a greater chance of incidence with them. Foley was a big advocated against pedophilia then showed himself to be one of them. Craig publicly said homosexuality was a scourge until it was revealed he was one. With Huck’s focus on bestiality I’d hate to think what’s going on behind his curtain.

  • I suppose it would be pointless to let the Huckster know that a lot of gay males do not practice sodomy. So what is worse, a blow job between gay males or anal sex between man and woman ??

    I am a Sadist and I take offense to people lumping me in with bestiality, necrophilia, and pedophilia. I like my kink on the consensual side with conscious human partners that tend to be masochistic.

    Huckleberry knows exactly what he is doing.

  • Yes, if a Dem is elected president, your daughters may be safe but you better lock up your dogs. Best argument I can think of for having an cache of assault weapons and cases of ammo. Then again, it might boost the economy by adding to a new industry — 24/7 Armed Farm Security. Gotta get me a piece of that.

  • I suppose it would be pointless to let the Huckster know that a lot of gay males do not practice sodomy. So what is worse, a blow job between gay males or anal sex between man and woman ??

    Point of Order: Sodomy is sex that does not involve a penis in a vagina.

    But when cHuck talks about it he knows his flock thinks “men having anal sex.” I doubt he ever gets up in the pulpit and tells people the road to hell is paved with BJs.

  • As a libertarian, I believe consenting adults should be allowed to form any contractual relationship they wish. If its one woman and five men, one man and five women.. it makes no difference to me. Its absolutely none of my business. And its none of Huckleberry’s business, either.

  • “Oh yeah…what’s wrong with sadomasochism, exactly?”

    I don’t know, but the last time I thought about any of this was the last time some nutbag republican brought it up. Why do these people always accomplish the opposite of what they said they were trying to accomplish? Maybe I’ll start calling him Kink-o-bee.

  • HUCKABEE: Again, once we change the definition, the door is open to change it again. I think the radical position is to make a change in what’s been historic.

    The “historic” definition of marriage in the United States until 1967 was a union between a white man and a white woman.

    Tangentialy, he Republicans are great a “bumper sticker” politics — using simple, often simplistic sentences to make their points. The reponse by “journalists” to these bumper sticker talking points is usually “Okay, fair enough!” The response by Democrats is usually something like “The concept of marriage, which of course differs from the legal definition of marriage, has evolved considerably over the history of what we call western civilization. The most recent manifestation of that evolution occured as a result of the 1967 Supreme Court case of Loving v. Virginia, which invalidated Virginia’s anti-miscegenation statute.”

    Is it any wonder Democrats are so inept at shaping the national debate?

  • Oh yeah…what’s wrong with sadomasochism, exactly?

    OMG! How can you even ask such a question!?!? Don’t you know that if consenting adults are allowed to do things with each other then they’ll want to do it to you and your grandparents and your children and pets and household appliances and burn Bibles and the flag and smoke weed and let all the Mexians and terrorists into the country and Baby Jesus will cry and Armageddon!! Boogah boogah run hide!!!

    /theo-con

    The threat is two-fold:

    1. The perverts will run amok and rape everyone if good Christians don’t object on a regular basis.

    2. Even if the perverts only engage in perversions with other consenting perverts, God will get pissed and start rapturing people.

    Now, since they’ve all got their spots in heaven booked, why the theo/so-cons object to 2. is a mystery. If I were them, I’d be running around handing out condoms, lube and leashes to get God to hurry up with the end game. Maybe that’s what that preacher with the wet-suit fetish was trying to do.

  • Beep said Why do these people always accomplish the opposite of what they said they were trying to accomplish?

    Same reason they cut taxes, bring up God, start wars, etc. To put liberals in the position of having to defend themselves on hot-button issues like gay marriage, taxes, religion, and the military. All these issues, and others, make libs seem like Satan to the hardcore conservative base and make them seem indecisive to independent voters. Their strategy is to make the nation fear that Democrats want an overtaxed, homo nation because candidates flip-flop and hedge on these contentious issues.

    Conservatives like the country thinking about gays on election day, because as you know, 9/11, global warming, the VT shootings, and so forth, happened because Americans are so permissive about homosexuality.

  • neil wilson: “How can laws against polygamy be constitutional?”

    IANAL, but I would begin to answer by saying that the US Constitution devolves that question to the states. So, how can states invalidate plural marriages? I think it has something to do with their legislative authority to regulate public health & morals. This is implicit in many states, which is why constitutions are being amended to explicitly define marriage. At the same time, the “public morals” basis for legislative authority is eroding; see Lawrence v. Texas.

  • “Kids Who Kill: Confronting Our Culture of Violence” Is this about his son hanging the dog?

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