Maybe McCain is struggling to remember Bush’s first term

In 2001 and 2003, Bush pushed two massive tax-cut packages through Congress, with near-universal Republican support. Indeed, it was something akin to a GOP fealty test — to vote for the White House tax cuts was to be a good Republican.

In the Senate, two GOP lawmakers balked — Lincoln Chafee, who later left the party, and John McCain, who no longer wants to talk about his votes.

When pressed, McCain usually argues that he rejected Bush’s tax cuts because there were no accompanying spending cuts to prevent massive deficits. The defense has always been largely incoherent, for at least two reasons. First, McCain now believes tax cuts can pay for themselves (aka, the “Tax Fairy” theory), so there was no need for spending cuts. Second, McCain, at the time, said quite clearly that his opposition to the cuts had nothing to do with spending, and everything to do with Bush’s policy being excessively skewed to the wealthy.

At last night’s Republican debate in Simi Valley, the LAT’s Janet Hook asked for an explanation. McCain responded:

“I was part of the Reagan revolution. I was there with Jack Kemp and Phil Graham and Warren Rudman and all these other first that wanted to change a terrible economic situation in America with 10 percent unemployment and 20 percent interest rates.

“I was proud to be a foot soldier, support those tax cuts, and they had spending restraints associated with it.

“I made it very clear when I ran in 2000 that I had a package of tax cuts, which were very important and very impactful, but I also had restraints in spending. And I disagreed when spending got out of control, and I disagreed when we had tax cuts without spending restraint. And guess what? Spending got out of control.

“Republicans lost the 2006 election not over the war in Iraq; over spending. Our base became disenchanted.”

I haven’t the foggiest idea what this means.

The question was rather straightforward: what McCain said in 2001 and 2003 doesn’t match what McCain is saying now. He had one rationale for his position then, and a different rationale for his position now. That’s not necessarily the end of the world — candidates can change their mind — and this was a chance for McCain to explain the pretty obvious inconsistency.

But he responded with a garbled and incoherent mess. As Noam Scheiber put it:

McCain also gave one of the most incoherent answers I’ve heard at a presidential debate this campaign season. Asked how he reconciled his initial argument against the 2001 Bush tax cuts, which he said were skewed toward the wealthy, with his more recent argument that he opposed them because spending was out of control, McCain just kind of rambled from talking point to talking point. First he said working class people need help, which is why he favors a stimulus. Then he talked about being a foot-soldier in the Reagan revolution. Then he careered back to reckless spending. Then he said the GOP had lost Congress because of all that spending. It was mush.

It was, indeed.

The point I can’t get around, though, is that McCain had to realize a question like this was coming. Indeed, after a year of campaigning, he’s probably heard it before. It wasn’t a trick question; either his explanations add up or they don’t.

Maybe McCain’s vaunted political skills have been exaggerated a bit?

Montgomery Burns McCain’s response was a wordy: “Shut up, little girl” to the Lisa Simpson like questions of the reporter. Of course the reporter was right and McCain was caught low, slow and out of ideas.

Spending restraints, John? Perhaps you can explain the $5 Trillion dollar increase from 2001 to 2007 in the Federal Debt?

  • That response sounded very much like the one’s Mrs. Clinton offered when responding to the famed NYS drivers license question. Not a response to be proud of for sure.

  • Maybe the guy can’t actually remember Shrub’s first term. He is getting up there in the years.

  • I think that the more people see of John “Bomb Iran” McCain, the less they’ll like him. Republicans, on the other hand, may see his rambling nonsense and wax nostalgic for another senile grandfather that nobody was mean enough to put out to pasture. Keep that happy thought, wingnuts, while the rest of us elect a president who won’t sell weapons to our enemies.

    McCain’s “political skills” seem to be limited to the people on his bus. Maybe he picked up some kind of VC hypnosis trick back in Nam, which could explain why Tweety and the gang are always trying to hump his leg.

  • “… I was there with Jack Kemp and Phil Graham and Warren Rudman and all these other first that wanted to change a terrible economic situation….” blah, blah, blah. Snzxyyzzz.

    Sounds like grandpa reliving his glory days. Facts don’t matter much. Which probably fits in well today’s GOP reality fealty checks.

  • So he wraps Kemp, Graham and Rudman all into a single group who wanted to apply their solution to the economy.

    And he thereby proves what he said coming out of South Carolina: he doesn’t know much about economics (ok, I’ll give in: he doesn’t know Jack. . . Kemp).

    Kemp, Graham and Rudman all had very different views on economic policy. Kemp had potential to actually be the compassionate conservative Bush claimed to be, he was a flat-taxer, largely a supply-sider but was more accepting of the safety net than most Republicans of the time; Graham was an almost Norquist-esque spending cutter and defecit hawk – mostly supply-sider, but almost as a back door way to stop the spending and he showed little concern at all about the safety net; Rudman was far far more moderate than either of them, much more pragmatic and less dogmatic, looked for a balance of tax policy and spending policy that would bring down the defecit without shocks to the system – he was much more about process (anti-earmarks, anti-omnibus spending bills, etc).

    So Saint John, without a Mitt-whisper to help prompt you, which of these three that you chose to mention best reflects your proposed economic approach?

  • To tell you the truth, I’m delighted that McCain has emerged as the GOP’s frontrunner. Let’s face it: The odds of his getting through the entire presidential campaign without a major meld down are pretty close to zero. In my opinion, not only would he lose in November but in the process he’d drag down the GOP ticket in a very big way.

  • Zeitgeist –

    You don’t get it man. McCain was part of the Reagan Revolution! He was there with Jack Kemp and Phil Graham and Warren Rudman and Ronald Reagan! Storming the beaches side-by-side with President Ronald Reagan! Fighting back-to-back with The Gipper in the trenches against the vicious hordes of Liberals who wanted to Raise Your Taxes! With only the other Reagan Revolutionaries and their mascot Bonzo at his side he fought alongside Saint Ronnie for your sins! You don’t know what it was like unless you were there with Ronald Reagan!

    It’s all about the Reagan Revolution, my good man. Who cares if it’s babblingly incoherent if you can answer a question about economics with a reference to St. Ronnie of the Laffer Curve? If you mention St. Ronnie enough, maybe the hardcore conservatives will forget that they hate you.

  • “Fighting back-to-back with The Gipper in the trenches against the vicious hordes of Liberals who wanted to Raise Your Taxes!”

    Nice! But, apparently, then, Saint Reagan was a “cut-n-run french surrender monkey” seeing that he gave in to those barbarian liberal hordes at least twice to sign on to two large tax increases (income tax and social security taxes).

  • NonyNony gets it right.
    Code words. Hot buttons.
    Tiny phrases that work magic in a conservatroid’s mind:

    Polly want a cracker!
    Reagan Revolution!
    Bawaaaack!
    Polly want a cracker!

    All the contradictions in all the world aren’t going to beat McCain in November.
    Only one thing can beat him: CHARISMA.
    And lots and lots and lots of it.

  • Now that Rudy’s gone … it’s Reagan Tourette’s for everybody! It seems the wy to prove you’re a true conservative is have every sentence consist of a noun, a verb and Ronald Reagan.

  • I don’t think McCain has political skills. He is a wooden speaker who can’t make a remark without a script. I think he is mostly a “war hero” and thus a symbol. He is portrayed as Mr. Smith (goes to Washington). I guess that is his “skill.” I expect him to get the nomination because conservative voters believe in the power of myth. But he is a candidate that cannot live up to the stature of his public imagery.

  • Sarabeth@2
    I’m pretty sure that McCain has been working hard to replace all of the f-bombs and mf-bombs in his vocabulary with “friend” and “my friend”. Just listen to clips from the debate last night and it’ll be clear.

  • Phil Graham or Phil Gramm? There’s a difference. One supported JFK and LBJ. The other was a Democrat turned Republican fiscal conservative. If McCain means Phil Graham, he’s older than we thought. Or maybe it’s that your writers can’t spell or are history illiterate. Or fact check isn’t operating.

  • Hey, at least he didn’t say that it was Clinton’s fault.
    But give him time, after all if our own JRS can do it, so can John McAmnesty, I mean McCain.
    Heh. That’s your cue seaberry.

  • NonyNony said:
    You don’t get it man. McCain was part of the Reagan Revolution!

    LOL. Let’s hope that McCaint’s Reagan Tourettes will be as successful as Giuliani’s 9/11 Tourettes.

    Fiscally the Reagan Revolution turned out as much a massacre as the French Revolution did.

    McCaint says: I see dead Presidents?
    Where?
    Everywhere!

  • Zeitgeist (#8) – I love it when you talk like that – citing facts and figures and who is who that way. Please keep it up. Your ability with rigorous analysis will eventually lead you to the light…

  • Tom said:
    I don’t think McCain has political skills. He is a wooden speaker who can’t make a remark without a script. I think he is mostly a “war hero” and thus a symbol. He is portrayed as Mr. Smith (goes to Washington). I guess that is his “skill.” I expect him to get the nomination because conservative voters believe in the power of myth. But he is a candidate that cannot live up to the stature of his public imagery.

    Well said. McCain is a MINO–a myth in name only. He’s Mr. Smith gone to Washington getting a townhouse and kicking it old old old school with the people that Mr. Smith would have just kicked.

  • I don’t think McCain gave a straight answer all night.

    And if that debate helped him with the Republican’t base, then that says a lot about the stupidity of the Republican’t base.

    Not that there is a lot more to say.

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