WSJ makes the case for telecom immunity, slams ‘anti-antiterror left’

It’s probably a personal character flaw, but I try to make a good-faith effort to at least understand what the other side is thinking when it comes to policy debates. And when it comes to granting retroactive legal immunity to telecommunications companies that cooperated with the administration’s warrantless-search program, I’ve looked long and hard for some kind of coherent argument that bolsters Bush’s position. I just don’t see it.

As a rule, the principal (and only) talking point offered by the White House is that these companies came to the administration’s assistance in a time of crisis — in the immediate aftermath of 9/11 — and believed the administration’s lawyers when they said the surveillance efforts were legal. Neither of these points make any sense — the surveillance began before 9/11, not after, and the telecoms had their own legal teams to tell them that these efforts were illegal.

So, this morning, when I noticed that the right-wing Wall Street Journal editorial page had tackled the subject, I thought I’d get, at a minimum, the best far-right pitch possible on the issue. Here’s what Gigot & Co. came up with:

Not long ago Democrats seemed ready to move a bipartisan bill passed by the Senate Intelligence Committee last autumn. But under pressure from the anti-antiterror left, they are now bending and will try to weaken the bill on the Senate floor. Given that the House is likely to pass something far worse, the Senate debate will determine how much the U.S. ties its own hands in the fight against terrorists.

By far the worst threat is an amendment from Senator Chris Dodd (D., Conn.) to deny legal immunity to telephone companies that cooperated with the government on these wiretaps after 9/11. The companies face multiple lawsuits, so a denial of even retrospective immunity would certainly lead to less such cooperation in the future.

This is precisely the goal of the left, which has failed to get Congress to ban such wiretaps directly but wants to use lawsuits to do so via the backdoor. We’re told that Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama are co-sponsoring the Dodd amendment, no doubt for political reasons as they compete for left-wing votes in their nomination fight. But they had better hope the effort fails, because as President they’d surely want the same telecom cooperation.

This is the best the far-right can do? Seriously?

First, referring to the “anti-antiterror left” is just sad. The Wall Street Journal isn’t just some random posting on the Free Republic. Editors should probably try to aim a little higher.

Second, as far as the WSJ is concerned, any legal requirements, and any effort to provide checks and balances on administration power, is necessarily seen as the U.S. “tying its own hands in the fight against terrorists.” The newspaper’s editorial board, in other words, believes the only responsible course of action is to let the Bush White House have unfettered surveillance powers over Americans, without exception. What about the possibility for abuse? We should simply trust the administration to be restrained and responsible. Those who disagree are guilty of wanting to weaken America.

Third, the WSJ is so unhinged, it argued, in print and without a hint of jest, that the left’s “goal” is to prevent wiretaps. It’s as if the Journal’s editorial board has slept through the last couple of years of debate, and feels comfortable simply making up rationales to smear those who take the rule of law seriously.

And fourth, my personal favorite, is the notion that Congress and the president have to intervene in ongoing legal proceedings, and clear companies that already broke the law of any wrongdoing, otherwise the telecoms will never cooperate with the federal government again. It’s as if the WSJ has no idea what “warrants” and “judicial oversight” even mean.

For lawmakers, there really are only two logical rationales for supporting retroactive immunity: 1) the telecoms gave the senator a lot of money, and he or she feels the need to support his or her benefactors; and 2) Bush wants to protect the secrets of his warrantless-search program, and immunity is the only want to ensure Bush gets his way.

Everything else, including the Wall Street Journal’s argument, is just nonsense.

Anti-anti-terror?

These people ought to be tarred and feathered for a) that grammatical nonsense and b) calling half of America “Pro-terror”.

  • I can’t wait to hear the giant flip-flopping sound of the right wing media when president Obama is elected.

    All of a sudden those absolutely necessary, limitless “antiterror” tools that are only opposed by the “pro-terror left” will be illegal invasions of privacy. One of the few upsides I see to a Hillary win over Obama is that the Republicans will be even more adamant about reversing these policies if she’s elected.

  • What a bunch of dweebs. It’s not about anti-terrorism. It’s about ABUSE OF POWER. Eavesdropping is one of the many tactics used to get information, but it can be and has been used for other means outside of the terror scope. I’m guessing the telcos are shit scared about the things they’ve done and it makes wonder for who?

    My 1/2 cent take is that what they know and did will keep them in court fighting off lawsuits and some of their execs in jail for a long time.

  • The companies face multiple lawsuits, so a denial of even retrospective immunity would certainly lead to less such cooperation in the future.

    Let’s hope so! Even business can help project liberty when there’s an economic incentive! “I was following orders” isn’t an excuse to ignore American Citizens’ constitutional rights.

    Anyone know a good commentator—besides Keith Olbermann—who’s framing this as a liberty issue? All I ever hear are the right-wingers going on about “terror.”

    These guys don’t even have the intelligence to be ashamed.

  • But they had better hope the effort fails, because as President they’d surely want the same telecom cooperation
    No they won’t, because they won’t spy on their own people.

  • *protect liberty. Although I’m fine with “projecting” liberty, too. The more liberty, the better. In fact, liberty and justice for all.

    Haven’t I heard that somewhere before?

  • I loved this line:
    the goal of the left, which has failed to get Congress to ban such wiretaps directly …

    Right. Sure, there is no ban against doing that wiretapping. Which is why they need immunity for doing it. Uh-huh. There are already bans. The White House has been ignoring them.

  • Why aren’t we claiming the memespace on this? -Bernard Gilroy

    Pelosi, Reid, and corporate controlled media. Same old.

  • What’s going on with telecom immunity is but part of a larger effort to move toward a Stasi-like informant society, and you really have to wonder who benefits. Remember the idea of using postmen and meter readers to report suspicious activity? Well, there’s this latest:

    The FBI Deputizes Business
    by Matthew Rothschild

    Today, more than 23,000 representatives of private industry are working quietly with the FBI and the Department of Homeland Security. The members of this rapidly growing group, called InfraGard, receive secret warnings of terrorist threats before the public does-and, at least on one occasion, before elected officials. In return, they provide information to the government, which alarms the ACLU. But there may be more to it than that. One business executive, who showed me his InfraGard card, told me they have permission to “shoot to kill” in the event of martial law.

    Oh, and what happens when Blackwater comes home? I’ve never been given to paranoia or conspiracy, but damn, a lot of things seem to be lining up and they’re all pointing in the wrong direction.

  • We know that being against telecom immunity has nothing to do with a desire to limit or remove entirely the ability to eavesdrop, but joe six-pack probably does not. Thus, the right-wing noise machine steps up a few decibels to muddy the debate, with its usual goal of grossly misrepresenting what it is that Democrats seek to do. For example, I would imagine joe six-pack is completely unaware that illegal wiretapping took place before 9/11, a fact that should halt in its tracks the narrative that these poor companies “were only seeking to find those who attacked us.”

    What I cannot understand is why ‘our side’ doesn’t crank up its own machine, loudly and vociferously, to combat all these demonstrable falsehoods. Its as if ‘our Representatives and Senators’ are hoping for some fairy truth queen to descend and make right these lies, such that everyone is on board and understands the issues. But, there is no such fairy. Those who represent us have a duty to fight back–and do so loudly,with just as much reach and drive that the right-wing noise machine uses daily–to inform the citizenry and contrast the truth with the lies.

    After all of this time, we still let the noise machine control narratives. Every time a noise outlet like the WSJ editorial page spews forth such drivel, there should be a response, point-by-point, that eviscerates the drivel. We have to be just as loud, countering BS with facts. I just don’t see it happening often enough, and in support of such critically important issues as this.

  • I agree with #7: change the meme This has nothing to do with terror and everything to do with liberty and justice.

    I’m all for liberty and law and up holding our constitution. When any one person, any corporation or any government official operates outside the law….they should reap the harvest.

    The arguments offered as I see them and the reasons why they don’t hold water:

    1) Legal to begin with argument

    Well, no it wasn’t. We would clearly not be talking “Immunity” if what they did was legal. “Immunity” means immunity from the law and prosecution for illegal actions. Spying on American citizens without a warrant was clearly illegal and a subversion of our constitution to boot.

    2) The poor innocent telecom doing as its government said and so should be excused argument.

    QWest didn’t do it when the government asked, did they? (not all Germans tortured for their government did they?) We are talking mega huge corporations here with mighty fine legal depts. There was no confusion by their legal depts. the confusion with in the greed dept for government contracts.

    3) 911 excuses everything we do argument
    Bull shit…plus this existed prior to 911!

  • Racer, you took the words right out of my mouth. What’s good for the goose is only good if the goose in charge is a Republican and the Democratic gander wouldn’t be allowed even a crumb. There would be no benefit of the doubt because we were acting to protect the nation – there would be no deals, no defense that we needed these important tools.

    Aside from the fact that the people need to be able to address their grievances in a court of law, and should not be foreclosed from doing so, there’s another element that ought to be part of the equation. If you give them immunity for prior actions, how do they not qualify for immunity going forward? And if they qualify for what is essentially blanket immunity, what’s their incentive to ever question anything the government asks them to do – or demands that they do? Doesn’t the government pretty much own them at that point? And what is the consequence of refusing the government’s request?

    The telecoms should not just be worrying about their exposure and their bottom line, even though that seems to be the primary concern – they should be examining and scrutinizing these requests to make sure that they conform with the law, should be examining the requests to ascertain that they do not violate the constitutional rights of their customers and that if there are warrants or other documentation required, that the government present them within the time frame specified by the law.

  • someone is surprised when mouthbreathing tenth-wit morons come off sounding like mouthbreathing tenth-wit morons?

    Look, for the five-millionth time, thse people are right wingers because they’re fucking STUPID!!!.

  • Terraformer (12) “We know that being against telecom immunity has nothing to do with a desire to limit or remove entirely the ability to eavesdrop, but joe six-pack probably does not.”

    Agreed. The ultimate insult, however, is that the WSJ is not targeted at joe six-pack. It’s targeted at a far more sophisticated viewer who considers himself very up-to-date on world and economic news. My stepfather is one of these people, and he thinks that the WSJ is the only source anyone needs for news. A while back, I sent him a collection of articles showing how many scandals Giuliani was attached to (He was a RG supporter because he got homeless people off the streets of NY, and couldn’t answer the question “what makes RG a 9-11 hero?” His reaction to the scandal articles was that papers like the NYT and Village Voice are left wing rags. It truly boggles my mind how people can be so successful in business, and yet so naive.

  • “By far the worst threat is an amendment from Senator Chris Dodd (D., Conn.)”

    High praise for Senator Dodd indeed. I’m very happy that even after dropping his presidential bid he’s still bulldogging this issue. Chris is the real deal and his efforts aren’t just to score points with an electorate. God willing, Dodd should start measuring for drapes in Sen. Reid’s office.

    I agree with Racer’s take on this: Paul Gigot won’t mind if a President Hillary taps his phones and those of the WSJ just to make sure no state secrets are being bandied about. After all, working in opposition to the nation’s chief executive could make one an enemy combatant and Gitmo is filled with just those kinds of people.

  • I don’t even care if they are even punished. What I do care about, if immunity is granted, the whole story will be shut down. We should know the whole process behind the decisions from both the president and the Telecoms

  • I continue to maintain that this has little to do with protecting the telecoms. Common sense suggests that if they can demonstrate they were acting with good faith in any legal gray area that was sanctioned by the white house in the name of national security, they’re not going to pay too dearly — this is the scenario that Bush and the WSJ would like you to believe happened. (I suspect that they agreed to surveillance that was *obviously* illegal, and wouldn’t be countenanced by the average jury.) The real aim of the immunity is for the lawsuits to fall, and we the people will never even know what kinds of %$#^ the white house asked for.

    Not to mention it’s absurd that we should be asked to grant retroactive immunity without knowing the extent of the wrongdoing.

    We have to fight this. This is where we’re going to show the bodies are buried, so to speak. Hang in there Senator Dodd!

  • Wait, i thought that the Republican Party was the anti-government party…isn’t that their favorite meme? Now the Democratic Party is the anti-government party? But this, of course, supposes that government is now good, not bad. I’m getting really confused about which side i should be on…

    Even the frickin’ Economist has come out and said that restricting freedom to ‘combat’ terrorism is a backwards way to address the problem. But i don’t know what i’m talking about, because i think that the whole terrorism thing is mostly created by the people who tell us that they’re protecting us…its all so Stalinist that i can barely wrap my brain around it.

    Finally, i’ve read some reports that this illegal wiretapping was going on as early as 1997 (can’t remember where, sorry, no link). And the dirty little secret of that bill is that it not only gives immunity to the telecoms, but also to anyone in the government who acted with the telecoms or requested the illegal taps.

    This administration broke the law; everybody knows that it broke the law; and it is asking that the law be re-written so that it didn’t really break the law after all. This is the best legal argument for impeachment, which is off the table because we just can’t put the American people through that in this time of war…or whatever. Aaaargh.

    Ok, i’m going to go sit quietly and try to remember why i repatriated myself…this might take a while.

  • We need not forget who now owns WSJ. Reading it now is no different the watching Fox Fauxnews….


  • Anne: Doesn’t the government pretty much own them at that point?

    Ironic, isn’t it? This, coming from those who purport to oppose government meddling in the affairs of private industry.

    Maybe this should be our meme.

  • It’s been said before, but it is a sick mind that first claims “terrorists only attack us because they hate our freedoms” then tries to go out and destroy our freedoms.

    Aren’t they just appeasing the terrorists?

  • The Wall Street Journal isn’t just some random posting on the Free Republic. Editors should probably try to aim a little higher.

    They’re not? Funny, besides the cleaner language, I can’t really tell them apart. The quality of reasoning is more or less the same in both cases.

  • I’m not anti-antiterror. I’m anti-anti-“anti-antiterror”. Or anti-anti-anti-“antiterror”.

  • “…the surveillance began before 9/11, not after,…”

    NSA Domestic Surveillance Began 7 Months Before 9/11, Convicted Qwest CEO Claims
    http://blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/2007/10/nsa-asked-for-p.html

    So who were they listening in on during those seven months?
    Apparently, not the hijackers.

    And considering that the administration wants to continue this program, isn’t that just telegraphing to the terrorists how you intend to track them?

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