McCain vs. Clinton, McCain vs. Obama

A few weeks ago, it seemed that the national polls offered a little something for everyone on the Democratic side of the aisle. For those who wanted to see Hillary Clinton get the nomination, there were polls showing her beating John McCain by a bigger margin than Barack Obama. For Obama supporters, there were polls showing the opposite.

More recently, however, it appears a new trend has emerged.

Real Clear Politics has a handy page displaying all the Obama-McCain and Clinton-McCain polls. In the past two weeks, seven different organizations have polled the races and on average Obama beats McCain by 3.2%, while Clinton loses to the Arizona senator by 2%. Not a single polls has Clinton doing as well as Obama. Normally this wouldn’t be such a big deal–after all, most people don’t obsessively read polling data. But this year’s race might be different.

If, as seems increasingly likely, the Democratic nomination drags on all the way to the convention, it’s imperative that Clinton close the gap with Obama. Think of it like this: you are a superdelegate or party boss. You have been undecided but now must choose between two candidates with roughly equal numbers of delegates. Most of all, you want to win in November, which is now only three months away. And while one of your two choices is consistently beating the Republican nominee in polls, the other is consistently losing. It’s not hard to imagine that many of these people will be swayed by the data above.

This includes two brand new polls out this afternoon. A new AP poll shows Clinton leading McCain by one in a general-election match-up, and Obama leading McCain by six. A new USA Today/Gallup poll shows McCain ahead of Clinton by one point, but McCain trailing Obama by four. (Both polls show Obama taking the national lead over Clinton among Dems for the first time.)

The next question, of course, is how seriously, if at all, one should take the data.

The Clinton campaign hosted a conference call a couple of hours ago, in which Mark Penn made the case that the numbers aren’t relevant.

“The Republican attack machine redefines the Democratic candidate,” said Penn, pointing out that Vice President Al Gore and Sen. John Kerry (Mass.) both felt the sting of the GOP efforts during their respective national bids. Penn added that while Clinton is well known in national circles, Obama is less so — a lack of name recognition that leaves the Illinois senator open to being defined by the Republican nominee. “Hillary has withstood this process and this will make a tremendous difference if she is the nominee,” he said.

The other prong of the Penn argument is that the likely nomination of McCain means that national security will again be at the forefront of voters’ minds this fall, as it was in 2004. […]

Nominating Clinton would “block [Republicans] from playing the national security card,” argued Penn, adding that Republicans have already begun to attack Sen. Barack Obama (Ill.) on his foreign policy credentials.

Some of this is more persuasive than the rest. First, Mark Penn dismissing the value of polling data is deeply hilarious. Second, Penn is right that the GOP attack machine would find it difficult to redefine Clinton, who is already a known quantity on the national stage. And third, Penn is almost certainly wrong about “blocking” the Republicans from “playing the national security card.” We nominated a genuine, decorated war hero in 2004, and, running against two draft dodgers, the national security card was still the only card the GOP played.

As for Obama, the Clinton campaign is also right that Obama’s margin might slip after sustained attacks in the summer and fall, but the Obama rejoinder is fairly compelling, too: if Dems are going to make their decision now, why gamble on a possible result when all of the data right now tells us that Obama would have an easier time against McCain than Clinton?

It’d be foolish to think the Republican Smear Machine would take a pass on Obama — no one, least of all the Obama campaign, believes this — but, as far as I can tell, the argument seems to boil down to a candidate who is struggling against the presumptive GOP nominee or a candidate who might struggle against the presumptive GOP nominee.

Or, as Ezra put it, “It really does seem that Obama has opened up a consistent lead in the horeserace polling, and while I’m skeptical of how meaningful that is this early in the campaign, weak data remains better than contrary data, and right now, Hillary is trailing McCain. That matters.”

As for Penn, he told reporters today that the polls that show Obama faring better “don’t actually represent the situation we would see in a general election,” but rather reflect “enthusiasm and momentum.”

I’m afraid I don’t know what this means. Any thoughts?

The first rule of politics:

If Mark Penn claims something to be true, bet the farm on the exact opposite proposition.

The second rule involves substituting Bill Kristol’s name for Penn’s.

  • Clinton is a polarizing figure. She represents tired partisan politics and much distain from the 90’s.

    Obama is a fresh face. He can attract new voters.

    Anybody who likes Hillary already supports her. She cannot gain new voters as her family is hated by much of the nation (unfairly in my opinion).

    Obama can unite, while Hillary will divide.

    Hillary would be a great Supreme Court Justice, as she would be out of the public eye and not in a position to abuse her power, which is what most independents don’t like about Hillary

  • As for Penn, he told reporters today, that the polls that show Obama faring better “don’t actually represent the situation we would see in a general election,” but rather reflect “enthusiasm and momentum.”

    No! Not enthusiasm and momentum! Those are the death knells of a Democratic Presidential campaign! Why, with those, we might actually win for once.

    I don’t even think most Clinton supporters like Penn. Why is he still around?

  • As I’ve said in earlier thread, there seem to be two consistent arguments coming out of the Clinton camp to disparage Obama’s support: (1) that his primary wins have been more in the purple and red states rather than the blue base and (2) that his supporters are more likely to sit the race out if he’s not the nominee.

    Both arguments, far from making the case for Clinton, only seem to bolster the argument for Obama.

    (1) No one can seriously claim that the blue states like NY and CA won’t go to the Democratic nominee no matter which one gets it, right? Given that assumption, doesn’t it make more sense to go with the candidate who has a proven record of support in purple states and red states? No, he won’t win Idaho in the general, but voters in Missouri, Colorado, Washington and other key swing states tend to indicate they like him best and he has the best shot of winning those in the general.

    (2) As polling data shows that registered Democrats are equally likely to support Obama and Clinton, the argument that there’s another pool of voters out there who’ll only vote for Obama — and not a corresponding pool who’ll only vote for Clinton — suggests that again, we should go with the candidate who has the larger base of support, building on the solid core of registered Democrats with independents and even some Republicans.

    In the end, both of these Clinton arguments tend to explain why Obama does better against McCain — he has stronger support in the geographic middle ground of the purple states and the ideological middle ground of the moderate voter.

  • I’m an Obama supporter, but I’m with Penn on this one. With most candidates, polls can turn around fairly quickly.

    That said, regardless of who is responsible for them, Hillary Clinton has high negatives that are long and deep with a large portion of the electorate. Turning that around, although possible, strikes me as unlikely.

  • I take Obama on judgement and moral courage and ability to work tith others, so these polls are heartening. However, let’s not forget the electoral college, how do Hillary, Obama and McCain match up state by state? I realize this is a big order for the pollsters, but…

  • Obama has done an amazing job attracting new voters to our party. We should embrace that. If the party nominates Hillary, we are facing the risk of chasing our new party members away. We will be returning to a time when GWB was able to win, not once, but twice. Why don’t we embrace the new Obama supporters?

    Long time democrats will likely be satisfied with either Obama or Hillary. They are both great candidates. But independents clearly prefer Obama. Doesn’t that make Obama the preferred candidate?

  • Obama has done an amazing job attracting new voters to our party. We should embrace that. If the party nominates Hillary, we are facing the risk of chasing our new party members away. We will be returning to a time when GWB was able to win, not once, but twice. Why don’t we embrace the new Obama supporters?

    Long time democrats will likely be satisfied with either Obama or Hillary. They are both great candidates. But independents clearly prefer Obama. Doesn’t that make Obama the preferred candidate?

  • Polling the general election this far out is about as meaningful as polling the primaries in August or September. If you looked at the polls this past fall, we were looking at an overwhelming Clinton primary victory and at a probable Giuliani nomination on the GOP side.

    Polls are problematic even on election eve. This far out, they are worse than useless.

  • Oh, I can’t express how tickled I am seeing Mark Penn’s strategy doing a massive face-plant. It could almost let me think there’s a God.

  • I guess no one has realized that this is becoming an Obama echo chamber of the first order, and really tiresome – hence my rare appearances lately. I don’t have any problem debating the merits of either candidate, but what I do have a problem with is every Clinton-Obama post being a less than even-handed or objective exercise promoting real debate and more an excuse to lift one – Obama – and deride the other – Clinton, and throw a lot of read meat to the Hillary-haters. Apparently, there is nothing negative being written about Obama that has merit, and there is nothing in his background or his record that would raise any eyebrows. It’s astonishing that someone like that is still just neck and neck with that evil Hillary Clinton, and still has large gaps in the demographic to which he appeals.

    Where are the posts on what Hillary has accomplished, where are the posts on her bipartisan outreach? Where are the posts on her enormous appeal to women? It’s getting so that to read some of these posts, and the comments, as well as blogs around the ‘sphere, one would conclude that the woman had not a single redeeming quality, which is hard to put together with the success she has had.

    I hope you all realize that the echo chamber approach is only lulling you into a complacency that will ill-prepare you for the general election season, bu tI’m inclined to think that many of you are so enamored of the constant love-fest that it’s going to hit you like a 2 x 4 to the back of the head.

    To those of you who still have the energy and will to try to bring the Obama supporters down to earth where the rest of us live, thanks. And to the Obama supporters who have managed to maintain some objectivity – you might want to encourage your fellow supporters to dial it back a notch; they are turning people off.

  • Look, Obama hasn’t been targeted by the GOP smear machine. -Crissa

    I realize her marriage to Bill has made her a big target for decades, but this isn’t Obama’s first dance, either.

    I don’t think you can attribute the recent changes in the national polls to the GOP smear machine. I think it is exactly what Penn said it was, enthusiasm and momentum. Unlike him, I don’t see how that is a bad thing.

  • Look, Obama hasn’t been targeted by the GOP smear machine. So his advantage is illusionary.

    You’ve apparently never watched Faux News. According to them, Barack HUSSEIN Obama is a wild-eyed Muslim madrassa-trained drug addict.

    Obama has been smeared plenty. He responded by boycotting the network.

    When the same people smeared Hillary, she asked them to host a debate for us.

  • Obama CANNOT have Hillary as his Vice President. That would remove all of the goodwill he has created from the anti-Clinton independents who are now voting for him.

    Hillary will make a fine Supreme Court Justice. Let’s just hope that position is big enough for her ego….

  • McCain makes me nervous. I think he may siphon off enough swing and independant votes to make this election close. And with Diebold involved, we all know what that means.

    I think the edge Obama has is he voted against the war. Clinton has flippoed flopped so what she says about Iraq can’t be taken too seriously. What we need to do is clearly contrast McCain and Obama’s stance on the war. McCain wants us to be there for who the hell knows how long. Obama will bring the troops home quicker than the other two.

    We have to focus on the war and it’s impact on everyday America lives. Put it in monetary figures. For instance, what could we do for OUR country with just one day’s expenditures in Iraq? The Iraqi war is ruining the economy and it has to stop. Etc. etc.

    It’s the war stupid! And I think McCain can be beat on this issue, for as I mentioned earlier, his only chance is swing and indie votes, and they are solidly against the war.

  • Anne, what is this bipartisan outreach you praise for Hillary?

    The Clintons are on of the most divisive families in our nation’s modern history. Nominating her would be a slap in the face to half the nation (including many independent voters).

  • I don’t have any problem debating the merits of either candidate, but what I do have a problem with is every Clinton-Obama post being a less than even-handed or objective exercise promoting real debate and more an excuse to lift one … and deride the other

    Good Lord, that is priceless coming from you, Anne. I may never stop laughing over that.

    Your comments for the past few days have been nothing but the most shameless and desperate spin on behalf of your preferred candidate: Hillary was never expected to win those states! Caucuses are illegitimate! This result doesn’t matter because I don’t like it!

    Yes, Anne, it’s a shame some people can’t discuss the race even-handedly and with objectivity. Some other people, of course. Certainly not you. You’re the epitome of dispassionate analysis.

  • Anne:

    Go hang out on http://www.hillaryis44.com, those are some gals you can relate to.

    Some of them are actually trying to have maine, washington, louisiana and nebraska’s votes not count so they can seat the michigan and florida delegates instead. Not joking. They are as crazy as you are.

    And no, I don’t want you to actually leave, but if you were a little rational at times it would be appreciated. Obama is the best candidate for our nomination, and Hillary is just standing in the way.

    Truth

  • i agree that far too many obama supporters are living in a fantasyland, where their precious candidate – much too pure for the rough-and-tumble of politics – is impregnable to gop attacks.

    nonsense.

    i do not favor clinton on the simple grounds that it’s time for a change from bush-clinton (28 years is plenty long enough), but i also do not think that obama is some higher order of being.

    once the gop gets its talking points in order, obama’s negatives are going to shoot right up to clinton territory, just as kerry’s did. that’s the republican skill set. the kind of delta that the polls are showing right now in no way is a guaranteed lock once team mccain and the fellow travellers get serious.

  • I have to agree with the general opinion that Obama has attracted many new people to the Democratic party as well as numerous independents (like myself). It is true that the party faithful will likely vote for Clinton if she were to win, but newbies take time to be nurtured into the fold. Obama is the candidate to help solidify them.

    Electability is now a key issue in this contest. Especially knowing how McCain relies on independents, doesn’t it make sense to select the candidate who is most likely to deny those voters from turning to McCain?

    I, for one, will vote for Clinton, if it comes to that, in order to keep the Republicans from installing any more conservative justices, but many people won’t think that far ahead. Many will simply vote for McCain (unfair, but true) because the don’t like Hillary Clinton.

    Facing that, Obama seems to be the obvious choice. He doesn’t have the high negatives, his policies are similar (yes, not identical, but close all the same), he draws more new people to the Democrats…AND he will deny the likely Republican nominee many votes from the vast middle of the voting universe.

  • The ugly truth is that either candidate will be attacked without mercy, and at least some of those attacks will work.

    Positives for Clinton: most of her dirty laundry has been hanging in our collective backyard for going on two decades. Most of us know that there is little factual basis underpinning them. She has faced all of this before, so we know that’s she’s ready for it…and is likely to fight it tooth and nail. Her policy positions are her strength, and they give her a redoubt.

    Positives for Obama: he’s fairly new to the game, so he’s necessarily got fewer connections to probe. He appears to have a strong movement behind him, a movement that is tech savvy. The strong movement may be the best defense, if they can drown out the smears. His race is something of a protective barrier. They can smear it, but that smear will only work with people who would never vote for a black man anyhow…and it will revolt many other people.

    Negatives for Clinton: her dirty laundry (truthful or not) has been hanging in our back yard for nearly two decades, so its an easy target. The X factor is that voters under 35 probably don’t know the details of that dirty laundry and we can’t know if they’ll believe them. Then there’s Bill. We don’t really know what he’s been doing (exactly) for the last seven years, but i’m sure that we’ll find out. X factor number two is the Barrett Report, but that’s more X than factor.

    Negatives for Obama: his relative “inexperience” on the national stage makes him a relatively easy target, the Clintons have attacked it but the Republicans will come on stronger. His anti-war speech, which the Republicans will use to paint him as soft on terror and an America hater. Then there is his funny middle name and the ease with which Fox can make one of their errors in spelling his last name so it looks like the Democrats have nominated someone named Osama. And his time in Indonesia won’t help matters.

    Who gets the edge? I’ll have to give it to Obama, but only by a hair…mostly because the Clinton attacks will form a narrative that spans near on 20 years. The other reason i’ll give Obama a slight advantage is that the country is obviously hungry for change, and standing next to John McCain, Barack Obama will simply scream change.

    But alas, in the end it may not matter. The opponents have shown themselves more than willing to “win” by hook or by crook…Sen Obama does not have enough audacity to shake my cynicism.

  • TR, to be fair, this blog is turning into a Obama love fest with very little objectivity. I can’t blame Anne for writing her frustration, I feel the same way.

    Too bad nobody is talking about how Hillary haters who are not even democrats are voting against her in caucuses, not becuase they believe in Obama, and not because they intend to vote for him in the fall, but because they hate Hillary.. and don’t bet on them voting for him in the fall either, the Republican smear campaign has not even begun to blast him yet. They want Hillary to lose, because she would be better able to stand up to their tactics. I hope it is not too late for people to wake up to this scheme.

  • Go hang out on http://www.hillaryis44.com, those are some gals you can relate to. -obamais44

    That’s not really called for.

    Nothing about Anne’s comment warrants that.

    In fact, she’s right about some things. It is an echo chamber in the comments; I welcome opposing views (isn’t that what democracy is all about?) and Anne and I certainly don’t agree on everything and we’ve even had heated exchanges (another hallmark of a healthy democracy), but as a long-timer who has seen to many others go recently, I think it would do us all good to grow up and play nice.

    The goal is to get Anne to see your point of view; not to drive her away. How about a convincing argument next time instead?

    I certainly don’t need to fight this battle, Anne is capable, but who knows if she’s even there anymore? I’m tired of thinking each childish comment is the straw that broke another back.

  • obamais44,

    I’ve been to the sight you’re linking, and it is pretty well disgusting. But anyone here can assure you that Anne is not of that order. Anne is plenty rational, she is also a dedicated supporter of Sen Clinton. That’s her right, this is still America. She also puts forward excellent arguments that you do not have to agree with to accept as excellent.

    This is a place for grown ups, if you don’t want to act like one then go somewhere else.

  • We nominated a genuine, decorated war hero in 2004, and, running against two draft dodgers, the national security card was still the only card the GOP played.

    Let’s not get carried too far away. Yes, the Swift Boat crap was nonsense, but there are veterans like my step-dad who have never forgiven Kerry for throwing his medals away. For many, many people you don’t get to carry the mantle of decorated war hero after that. Whether it is fair or not to have that held against you when you were right about the war at the time is a legitimate question, but the point would carry more weight if the candidate had been someone like Murtha (not that I would ever support Murtha in a national primary, but the decorated war hero crowd would).

  • Since all the polls are pretty much within the margin of error- they basically say the matchups are ties. Getting anything else out of them is a big stretch as is trying to use a poll today to predict what will happen in November.

  • Too bad nobody is talking about how Hillary haters who are not even democrats are voting against her in caucuses, not becuase they believe in Obama, and not because they intend to vote for him in the fall, but because they hate Hillary.. -Greg

    Evidence? I just don’t think the exit polling supports this. I’m certainly not saying I don’t think it exists, I just don’t believe it could be on a scale that would affect the outcome of any individual primary. Strikes me as just a little paranoid; tin-foil hat territory.

  • We nominated a genuine, decorated war hero in 2004, and, running against two draft dodgers, the national security card was still the only card the GOP played.

    Very good point, and one that needs to be repeated. And much to Mark Penn’s chagrin that decorated war hero endorses Barak Obama. I’d say he will also be very happy to be called for duty when the national security dogs come back out. John Kerry can step up and ask the question that needs to be asked: Does anyone really believe the Republicans when it comes to national security and defense? Really?

    John McCain may be a war hero, but he’s been wrong about Iraq, and he even joked about starting a war with Iran. Those two things need to be mentioned every time his “war hero” status comes up. Being a war hero doesn’t give you an automatic pass on foreign policy. Experience isn’t so valuable when you’ve been wrong so often, and Hillary’s people are full of crap when they say they’re stronger on defense.

    Penn is desperate. If the polls were going the other way he’d be touting them. I also think there’s a large number of campaign advisors who are also sweating hard right now, this people-powered election stuff could put a lot of them out of work.

  • TR, to be fair, this blog is turning into a Obama love fest with very little objectivity. I can’t blame Anne for writing her frustration, I feel the same way.

    My comment wasn’t meant to say we should all join the Obama ranks. It was meant to note that I found it hysterical that Anne was tsk-tsking the lack of objectivity in others when she’s been spinning harder than a pottery wheel. It was the pot calling the black hole black.

    This certain;y needn’t be an echo chamber and if it were, that would be sad. But I keep seeing Clinton supporters wringing their hands, wondering why oh why someone doesn’t make a positive case for Clinton?

    You know what? You can do it. Go ahead. Stop waiting for someone else to do so and complaining that they haven’t.

    The Obama supporters are making their cases for Obama. That’s their right, to argue for their candidate on the merits. I’ve done precisely that. For my own part, see above for my case at #5.

    The Clinton supporters should do the same. Instead, many of them — like Anne — seem busy spinning away Obama’s wins so far, tearing down his accomplishments (and clumsily, to boot) rather than building up their own.

    There’s a real case to be made for Clinton — she runs better with Latinos and women, two key demographics in the party, for instance — but I never really see that case made here. Just a lot of Clinton people wishing someone else would make it.

  • When Mark Penn tells you it’s Monday, get three independent confirmations and check four calendars before believing him. This little gob of snot lying on the sidewalk makes Dick Morris look like a member of the human race.

  • Part of the problem that Clinton has is the ’90’s smears. I’ve mentioned several times that the Reaganites have bought up all the microphones. The news channels, in particular, were devoted to embarrassing Bill Clinton. During the 2000 election, polls suggested that new voters (read 20 year olds) bought into this anti-Clinton nonsense. I think that this years caucuses and primaries have largely reflected a reaction against the MSM. Huckabee certainly wasn’t helped by them, yet he won in Iowa even after he didn’t know what the NIE was. Giuliani wasn’t helped, even though they tried by largely ignoring his many scandals. Repeating the charge that the Clinton campaign injected Obama’s drug past into the political conversation was a twofer. Obama is hurt by the subject; Clinton by the tactic.

    That said, when the Clintons started using dirty tactics in NH, NV and SC, it fed into the feeling that they deserved the negative attention of the 90’s. And it really didn’t help their cause that commenters here argued that these tactics are justified.

  • Reading through this thread, if a candidate can be definited by his/her supporters, Clinton is becoming more pathetic by the hour. You people would make Hubert Humphrey supporters cringe.

  • “Too bad nobody is talking about how Hillary haters who are not even democrats are voting against her in caucuses, not becuase they believe in Obama, and not because they intend to vote for him in the fall, but because they hate Hillary.. -Greg

    Doubtful: “Evidence? I just don’t think the exit polling supports this. I’m certainly not saying I don’t think it exists, I just don’t believe it could be on a scale that would affect the outcome of any individual primary.”

    Well, there’s at least some (anecdotal) evidence over on Andrew Sullivan’s site (yes, a dyed-in-the-wool Hillary hater, but not w/o redeeming qualities on issues such as torture) in the form of an e-mail from a participant in the Maine caucuses, attesting to several independents who voted for Obama, but would vote against Hillary. And I would note that it doesn’t take that large a percentage of the vote to have a potentially decisive effect (think Ohio in 2004, or Fla. in 2000).

    FWIW, my sense is that Hillary’s likely performance in the general election is much more narrowly constrained than Obama’s: she’s not likely to do worse than 45%, no matter what, and is unlikely to do much better than a bare majority. Obama, OTOH, has a significantly higher potential upside, but with a great deal more uncertainty around it. That is, it’s at least possible that the Republicans could be more successful in destroying him than Hillary.

    But I’ll take that chance, in return for the possibility of something better than 51% triangulation for 4 or 8 years.

  • Can someone please explain how Hillary is supposed to have better security credentials than McCain? He is going to push for withdrawal. The way to fight that is to tie him to this disastrous war. Obama is clearly in a better position to do just that. So why is Hillary supposed to be better at this? Please tell me that this isn’t just supposed to be about her being better on National Security because she is more willing to triangulate right when she should be sprinting to the left.

  • The Clinton team is as tough as any in modern political history. They have not only gotten themselves elected but many politicians throughout the country. There is no doubt in my mind that Hillary Clinton is able to beat the Republicans- but if Obama is beating her in fundraising,real delagates, and states won, — he is tough enough and this is a non issue.

  • Clinton as the Democratic nominee would turn out lot more Republican voters this November than Obama would. The Republicans’ dislike of her seems so personal.

    If she’s lucky enough to win under those conditions, then she still faces some of the angriest possible opposition for all of her presidency. I don’t think she’s right for us just now. It’s not her fault the Republicans hate her so much, but they do and we should consider how likely she is to be effective with that against her.

  • Doubtful, I don’t really want Anne to leave, we need the voice of the few to balance things out. But her excuses reek of what is read on hillaryis44.com. They are just old and irrational. Obama is our next president, and Hillary is just in the way.

    Greg, most republicans sabotaging the ballots are going and voting for hillary. They know that Obama is a once in a lifetime candidate who will win in November, and Hillary is a walking scandal who can be defeated.

  • I respected Senator Clinton before Iowa. However, since Iowa, it’s another story.

    Hillary Clinton lied to the voters of Iowa, New Hampshire, Nevada and South Carolina about her pledge to support the DNC’s decision on Michigan and Florida. She lied when she claimed that the Obama campaign orchestrated her MLK controversy. She lied about Obama’s comments about Reagan. She lied about Obama’s comments regarding “the party of ideas” quote. She lies every time she tells us that she wanted to give the inspectors more time before we invaded Iraq. She lied in her flyer about Obama’s Social Security tax proposal. She lied in the last debate about the contents of the Levin Amendment. Hell, she lied again last night on 60 Minutes when she said that the vote to Authorize was not a vote for a pre-emptive war.

    All politicians lie sometimes, waffle, stretch, etc. But Senator Clinton has taken it to the extreme, and she seems to do it with glee. If that doesn’t bother some voters, then that’s their prerogative. But with all due respect to Anne, Paul Krugman and others, it bothers me tremendously. I’m sorry, but referring to me as “irrational” or “kool-aid drinker” or a “Hillary-hater” because of my anger does not persuade.

  • Hillary Clinton lied to the voters of Iowa, New Hampshire, Nevada and South Carolina about her pledge to support the DNC’s decision on Michigan and Florida.

    This is absolutely correct. This is the most significant lie for a couple of reasons. First, she told the voters of the early states one thing, and then within weeks, told the voters of Michigan and Florida the exact opposite. This pandering was especially shameless.

    But the most important reason that this lie is significant is because she’s desperately trying to benefit from her dishonesty by overturning the results of the states with eligible primaries and caucuses. Again…shameless.

    I don’t hate Clinton for such lies. I just hate the idea that she could benefit from them.

  • Anne,

    Up until this presidential race began, you were consistently a voice of reason who could always be counted on in these comments for passionate and articulate discussion. Yours was one of a handful of comments I would always make sure to read, even when skimming everything else.

    Lately however, you seem to have lost or abandoned the very objectivity you keep requesting of others. It’s almost a forgone conclusion now that in any post dealing with Obama, if you have left a comment it will be an attempt to downplay or counterbalance whatever positive light may have been cast. I honestly cannot think of a comment you’ve left in the past few months that hasn’t tried to play Devil’s advocate to the Obama news. Which is fine. You are obviously in favor of Hillary Clinton as a candidate, and that is every bit your right. Anyone who would mock you for that or belittle that position is absolutely in the wrong. Anyone dismissing Hillary Clinton as evil or shrill or whatever isn’t adding anything to this debate or this site.

    But at the same time, you seemingly refuse to acknowledge or accept that Barack Obama might be capable of Presidential leadership. In the same way that the ObamaBots consistently launch unfounded and bewildering attacks on Hillary Clinton, I must say you consistently seem to be trying to belittle Obama as a candidate, seemingly because of your distaste for the fanatics and their nonsense. Yes, there are many, many “Obama supporters” who are crazed and lack any semblance of reason. But if you can’t clearly recognize the difference between the millions of sane, reasoned, everyday people who are supporting his candidacy and the wackos trolling the message boards, then you are hurting this discussion just as much as they are. If it’s wrong for commenters to discount or negatively spin legitimate Clinton successes, it’s equally wrong for you to do so when the Obama news is positive.

    I agree with you that there is far more positive Obama news than Clinton news as of late. But I think that’s more a reflection of what’s going on in the campaigns than anti-Clinton sentiment. Barack Obama is having a good month, and Hillary Clinton is not. Those are the facts. I don’t really believe that the Carpetbagger (or anyone else of note) is picking and choosing his reporting to make Obama look better. I believe that right now the Obama news is better because the Clinton campaign is struggling in a period where they are at an electoral disadvantage, and have had some internal issues made public.

    But to discount Obama’s victories in the caucuses of the past few days (which you have done) as being irrelevant and insignificant is petty, and you would be the first to call anyone from the other side out for it if the roles were reversed. Obama is a public/media darling right now, while Clinton is not, and I absolutely understand your frustration with that, but you come across as very bitter when you discount hundreds of thousands of people as being an insignificant number of voters — which you did just the other day.

    I know several liberal women, of varying ages and locations, and not one of them is genuinely excited about Hillary Clinton. They are excited at the very real prospect of a woman president, to be sure, but they just don’t like Hillary Clinton, much like you seem to just not like Barack Obama. I haven’t seen the poll numbers, and I’m obviously not a woman, but among the women I know your claim just doesn’t seem to ring true. So I ask you, objectively, are we lacking stories about the overwhelming support of Hillary Clinton by women because the media and the blogs are biased, or is it because that support really isn’t as great as it seems?

    I tried very hard to not get personal with this response, and I hope that I haven’t. If anything I’ve said comes across as offensive it was not my intent and I do apologize. I absolutely agree that the Obama fanatics are turning people off. But your consistent refusal to acknowledge any Obama successes objectively is truly having the same effect. Dismissing Obama as a cult of personality is just as bad as dismissing Clinton as an evil Washington insider. Both candidates would make a fine President. Both candidates are capable. Anyone claiming otherwise isn’t helping this process at all. Including you.

  • There is SO much ammunition for the Democratic nominee to throw at McCain, AND conservatism(theoretically as naive as communism, a disguise for privilege entrenchment, fiscally disastrous,sociopathic,hypocritical,…), that assuming the ammo is used judiciously and well, McCain has no chance, barring a fortuitous attack.

    I say judiciously because many independents and moderate republicans, imho, know they were wrong about Bush and dogmatic conservatism/free market worship, but they might get stubborn if their noses are rubbed in it too much.

  • Does it really matter what this Penn guy says? HELLO, people!!! We outnumber the R’s 3-1 in voters actually showing up and voting right now. Do you honestly think that Bush or McCain(t) will pull a rabbit out of his lame duck ass with a 30% (and falling) approval rating between now and November? If our showing is this strong at this stage of the game, it ought to remain as strong or stronger by then.

    Peace.

  • …attesting to several independents who voted for Obama, but would vote against Hillary. -retr2327

    Greg isn’t suggesting that Obama has appealed to independents who wouldn’t vote for Hillary in the general; Greg is suggesting that conservative Republicans are crossing over intentionally to push Hillary out of the race because, as Greg posits, Obama would be easy to beat in November.

    It isn’t about Obama’s broad appeal; it’s about spoiling the primary, and I just don’t see any evidence of that.

  • Bottom Line:

    It looks like you got some vote fraud hanky-panky, and selling of votes going on in the democratic caucuses. Obama seems to be doing disproportionately well in the caucuses where it is easier to commit vote fraud, and sell votes. Obama has not been doing as well in the non caucus primary’s where you can’t cheat the vote as easily.

    I smell a pole cat. I smell the Karl Rove vote fraud machine at work. This looks like past presidential elections where most voters leaving the poles said they voted for the other guy. But Bush still won. No wonder Obama thinks the republicans have some good ideas. Apparently a lot of republicans are voting for Obama in the democratic caucuses.

    The insurance companies, and medical industry that have been ripping you off, and killing you are determined to keep you, the American people from having good universal health care. So it seems they are supporting Obama. Along with the republican vote fraud machine.

    This looks like a great story for a team of aggressive investigative reporters. Or maybe some good documentary film makers like Michael Moore, or Oliver Stone.

    If I were the Clinton’s, I would focus like a laser bean on what has been going on in the democratic caucuses. No wonder the Republicans like Obama so much. Looks like he’s their man in the democratic caucuses. http://prorev.com/2008/02/in-search-of-obama.html

    I’m absolutely convinced now that Hillary Clinton is your best choice for good universal health care coverage. And HR 676 (Medicare For All). “Single payer, Tax Supported, Not For Profit, True Universal Health Care” free for all as a right. Like every other developed country in the world has. See: http://www.house.gov/conyers/news_hr676.htm

    “HR 676:
    For church goers: less money to insur. companies and more to the church- lots more.
    Srs on Medicare: save way over $100/wk. Because no more medigap, long term care & dental insur. needed. No more drug bills.”

    They really think you are all stupid, inattentive cash cows… It may be time to bring back Bad Bill, Good Bill.

  • Maybe putting fluoride in the water wasn’t such a good idea after all. Some folks seem to be having adverse reactions under the stress of close political contests. Or maybe that was the plan? (Cue the Twilight Zone theme).
    Where’s Oliver Stone, the “documentary” filmmaker when you need him?

  • I’m by no means a Clinton supporter (at least in the primary), but to be fair I think Steve made an error. (Both polls show Obama taking the national lead over Clinton among Dems for the first time.), actually I think the AP still shows Hillary with the lead.

  • # 41:

    “we need the voice of the few to balance things out. . . Obama is our next president, and Hillary is just in the way.”

    Not sure what good balance would do against that sentiment.

  • #44

    Well said.

    Others have called Anne on her own obvious pro-Clinton bias, but I think you expressed it in a way that is critical yet fair. I myself tend to agree with her to a point, but she undermines her own case slightly in light of the fact that we have all seen her spinning. Personally, I thought she has been laying low because of the strong showing Obama made this weekend. I don’t think she could have found a win to spin that in Hillary’s favor without looking like she is doing the same thing she is here excoriating the Obama supporters for doing.

  • I personally think that if you leave it up to the voters Hillary would still win. As I have heard some of you say supers should go withe the voters. So therefore the states Barack should vote for him and the states Hillary won should vote for her. If that is how you want it Hillary alraedy won.

  • katie, i don’t disagree with you about clinton’s change of perspective, shall we say, about the likes of florida, but you are completely and totally wrong about clinton and the mlk brouhaha. what she said was perfectly legitimate and sound and it took the efforts of smear artists to try and turn it into something bad.

  • This will be my 40th year as voting as a democrat. I first voted in the battlefields of Viet Nam absentee. Then I came home to a country that hated me and my comrades but I still stayed with the democratic party. I always remember something my father told me before I went and he said “it was my duty” so I went. Today as I look at the youth in this country and what they have become I wonder. Its how much am I going to make or who can I get it off. (I graduated from Syracuse University) and paid my own way by doing something strange to some of you work.

    For me voting is something you should earn.

  • I’m with U Anne*** It is the Obama echo chamber. Does Hillary poll being beaten by Bush too…McCain is just Bush 3. Might as well call him McBush. To seriously regard any poll that suggests a republican could possibly win the WH this election after the horrors of the Bush administration operating with the full support of the republican party is totally absurb. First recall that Bush stole the election of ’04 and was ‘appointed’ by the SC in 2000. Yeah we ran a war hero and he WON legitimately.

    What, are they polling the 30% supporting Bush? If Obama were not in the race Hillary would be polling beating McCain 4to 1. To many of us this is just nomination blackmail to suggest dems could lose to McBush unless we nominate Obama. It’s Bullshit. A vote for McCain is just another vote for Bush.
    All we would hear is how inexperienced Obama is to be president. 1/3 of his time in the Illinois senate was spent running for congress. 1/3 of his time in the senate has been spent running for President. How many presidents boast being head of a law review on their resume? But it wouldn’t matter…no republican will win the WH this election…period. What are you people…on drugs? Voters are turning out in droves to stop what this administration has been doing to the country…not because of Obama. If Obama wasn’t there they would still be coming out in droves. Enough is enough and we aren’t going to take this anymore. Republicans are out. Why bother to link into this MSM crap when you can deduce easily that it is crap. btw…as Glenn Greenwald states at salon.com…we don’t want a capitulation to “who’s toughest” on National security. Tough doesn’t mean stupid. Bush’s tough moves have gotten millions killed and disabled and made security worse, while draining away our personal freedoms. Tough means being smart and efficient. Only an idiot would buy that after the horrors of the Bush disaster that anyone would vote for Bush 3 to continue on.

  • ***TR comment33*** That’s just the point you ignore…no one is allowed to ask questions about Obama’s ideas without being condemned and accused of spinning for Hillary. To question Obama is to be condemned and ridiculed on this site for the past couple of weeks. When anyone brings up anything that might be construed by Obama supporters as negative then the attacks on the messenger begin and not the message. His speeches continually state what he wants to achieve but seldom ‘how’ he plans to achieve it. Anne has been one of the few here who is just trying to make those who are putting what they want to believe onto their candidate aware that he may not actually believe this. I’ve not seen her spin for Hillary so much as to defend her from so many vicious attacks. She doesn’t push Hillary as much as questions this personality worship that hangs on the Obama supporters. I haven’t made up my mind yet but I resent having Obama pushed down my throat as someone presented as more than what he actually is. Some of us want to be more cautious and deliberate in making such important decisions. Some of us are intent on looking a ‘gift horse’ right in the mouth. In my mind Obama would make a better SC judge than a president. (and some of you would interpret that as an attack) From what I’ve seen many mention Anne’s name far more than is usual. I watch many here assume what the motivations behind a person’s actions are when only the person can know that. Go figure…if you wake up in a room with 99 insane people…who’s really insane? BTW…things are getting better as if people are learning to be more deliberate before commenting…at least many of them.

  • I think when Penn says “The Republican attack machine redefines the Democratic candidate,” he is exactly right. National polls at this point are relatively meaningless. Although a poll of McCain vs Clinton is more meaningful then a poll of McCain vs Obama. This is because both McCain and Clinton are known entities and in their match ups Clinton and McCain are very close. Clinton’s negatives are already baked into the equation and she is still in a statistical dead heat with McCain. As one person here said Obama is a fresh face, another way of saying that is he is a blank slate. That blank slate will partially be filled in by the republican attack machine if Obama becomes the democratic nominee. At this point in the race a large potion of the voting public haven’t even tuned in yet. This can be seen by the fact that in the Washington caucuses only 10% of the eligible democratic voters came out. They don’t even know Obama yet, for instance if you took a poll that asked “did you know Barack Obama has the most liberal voting record in the senate.” How may people would say “yes I knew that.” If Obama gets the nomination I guarantee by election day almost every voter will know that, because every republican you see on TV after his nomination will mention, fairly or unfairly, that Obama is the most liberal senator in the senate. I have to agree with Bill Clinton that voting for Obama is a throw of the dice. Despite what the Obama people think they haven’t really seen any negative advertising yet. But if they go up against the republicans they will. As a democrat I wish John Kerry had been swiftboated in the primaries instead of the national election. It wasn’t the swiftboating that defeated him it was his reaction to it. That will be the question about Obama, how will he stand up to the definition that the republican attack machine tries to put on him. I see a race between Clinton and McCain being close, falling somewhere in the 51-49 or 52-48 percent range going either way. Although I think it would go to Clinton. On the other hand I could see Obama getting upwards of 57% of the vote or as little as 43%. That’s because he is an unknown entity and we can’t be sure how he will stand up to the attacks. It could also be swayed by world events. For instance an international incident or a terrorist attack between now and the election would play toward McCain’s strengths but would effect a McCain vs Obama race a lot more then a McCain vs Clinton race. I am unapologetically a democratic partisan, I am supporting Clinton but will support, canvas for, and vote for whoever the democratic nominee is. For me the best scenario would be a Clinton/Obama ticket. I say this because ever since I saw Obama give his speech at the democratic convention I felt he was the future of the party. If a Clinton/Obama ticket could win and start moving the country in the right direction we could have 8 years of Clinton/Obama and then 8 more years of Obama. If they lost then Obama would still probably be the front runner for 2012. My fear is Obama will win the nomination but lose the general and that will be his only shot at the presidency. Remember the democrats were not too high on giving Kerry another shot this year for the nomination.

  • Mark Penn really needs to go. He suffers from the rightwing’s Allspin Disease, where he spends so much time spinning reality that he’s constantly dizzy and doesn’t have a clue where reality is. It’s one thing to be optimistic, but it’s another to keep eating BS publicly and insisting it’s caviar. Whatever Hillary does, she really needed to dump him a long time ago. Guys like that are bad news and part of the reason Democrats have had troubles over the years. A little pro-candidate spin is inevitable, but you still need to now what the truth is if you expect to make good decisions.

  • To #59: Clinton-Obama may be an option in the end but Hillary needs to win the nomination first for that to happen and right now it doesn’t look very good for her. Although things can change of course. I think the ‘floor’ for Obama is probably pretty similar to that of Hillary (45-47%) b/c in the absence of the incumbent and with general anti-republican sentiment at least that many people will vote for democratic nominee. I agree that swiftboating is a potential problem but Obama’s reaction to similar attempts (Muslim business, attacks by Hillary) has been much better than Kerry’s in 2004.

  • no one is allowed to ask questions about Obama’s ideas without being condemned and accused of spinning for Hillary. To question Obama is to be condemned and ridiculed on this site for the past couple of weeks.

    bjobotts @ 58 – One thing you have to remember is context. I’m sorry, but when many Hillary supporters question Obama in these ways, they’re not asking serious questions. They’re attacking him. From them, it’s an empty smear to question his experience and plans, because they’re not really looking for answers. They don’t care if there are answers. And even when we try to answer the questions, it does nothing. Because these people aren’t looking for answers to these questions: They’re just repeating these things to hurt Obama because he’s Hillary’s opponent and they’ll keep repeating them as long as they think it will hurt him.

    And so when someone asks these questions legitimately, some Obama people assume that the question is being asked by a Hillary supporter attacking him and they get attacked as such. I’m not saying that’s fair, but that’s what’s happening. Think of it this way: If someone started asking questions here about Vince Foster’s death, would anyone assume it was a legitimate question, or would they assume it was a cheap smear? They (and I) would assume it was a cheap smear. And they’d probably be right. But what if the person really didn’t know about the issue, and then they get blasted out of the water for asking a real question about it?

    It’s not quite the same, but it’s about like that. And it’s unfortunate when someone asking questions they really expect answers to gets caught in the crossfire. But I’m telling you, any generic question from a Hillary supporter on Obama’s experience or whatever isn’t legitimate. If they have a specific question that can be answered, that’s one thing. But these questions are impossible to answer and no answer was expected. They’re just smears.

    As for Anne, I’m sorry, but you haven’t been reading the right posts. Every post showing an Obama victory is loaded with Anne telling us why the victory wasn’t meaningful or legitimate. Or on the Super Tuesday post, she insisted it was media spin calling it a stalemate, and that it was really a strong victory for Hillary. I’m sorry, but that was blatant spin, no doubt about it. There is no honest analysis that suggests that Obama’s victory this past weekend wasn’t crushing, or that Super Tuesday was a big win for Hillary. I think Anne’s a decent person and learn things from what she writes, but she’s got a definite problem when it comes to spinning election results she doesn’t like.

    Overall, I hope you don’t decide against Obama due to some energetic (and perhaps phony) fans of his. We’re electing a person, not the person’s supporters. This election is too important to decide based upon what some jerk wrote in a comment. And if you really want answers about Obama, I’d be glad to help you. I’ve got a blog and it’s almost all-Obama these days. I was a Dodd man until he dropped out, and now I have no doubts that Obama is more than adequate to be our next president. I’ll support Hillary if she wins, but I think Obama is better.

  • ***TR comment33*** That’s just the point you ignore…no one is allowed to ask questions about Obama’s ideas without being condemned and accused of spinning for Hillary. To question Obama is to be condemned and ridiculed on this site for the past couple of weeks. When anyone brings up anything that might be construed by Obama supporters as negative then the attacks on the messenger begin and not the message.

    Show me a single instance where someone has actually asked questions about Obama’s ideas. Show me where they had a question about his Zero to Five plan for education, or the affordable housing trust fund, or any of his specific policies. Show me where they asked a question of his ideas and did not, as it always seem to be the case, mocked him as a messiah with cult-like followers.

    Show me.

    His speeches continually state what he wants to achieve but seldom ‘how’ he plans to achieve it.

    You know why? Because they’re speeches. Reading the details of a program just doesn’t work in a speech. These details are all spelled out — in his campaign lit, on his website, etc. etc. They’re there. Just because you’re too lazy to go read the details doesn’t mean they don’t exist.

    Anne has been one of the few here who is just trying to make those who are putting what they want to believe onto their candidate aware that he may not actually believe this. I’ve not seen her spin for Hillary so much as to defend her from so many vicious attacks.

    Look again.

    Anne complained that the media was hyping Obama’s win in SC but ignoring the “thumping” (her word) that Hillary gave him in Florida. Florida, the state where all the Democrats agreed NOT to campaign and where the delegates would not be seated. It was meaningless, but she wanted it held up as equal to SC.

    Anne mocked the caucuses as undemocratic and meaningless. She badly misunderstood the number of voters involved there and tried to make it seem like the contests didn’t count.

    Anne said that Obama’s wins in Washington and Louisiana were pointless because he was “always” supposed to win those races, even though the polling until the end of last year had Clinton leading by a 20-point margin.

    In short, if Anne isn’t a paid operative of the Clinton campaign, she should be. She makes Carville look like an impartial observer.

  • Obama has survived the Clinton smear machine, so he can easily handle the McCain one.

    McCain has plenty of dirt to kick up so any attempts to go negative on Obama would be blunted by references to his adulterous courtship of his current wife, the Keating 5, and Jack Abramoff.

    Clinton has her own well publicized scandals, and who knows what Bill has been up to the last 7 years without the public eye on him.

    The only thing that people have on Obama is that the lack of evidence means there must be something. Political cynics can’t imagine someone running for president on a fairly clean record.

  • I don’t have a dog in this fight, but I think it’s important to point out
    a fact: Obama didn’t vote against the war. He wasn’t in the U.S. Senate at that time. He said he didn’t support the war. Clinton voted to authorize military force against Iraq–which was not something that I agreed with at the time or agree with now. But both have voted to fund the ongoing war, and one wonders if either would be in a position to withdraw troops within 60 days of taking office. Big deployments take quite a while to reverse.

  • Are you all asleep?

    Bush and Cheney haven’t shown any respect for our nation’s laws, we all know how they grabbed power in 2000 through the corrupt right-wingers on the Supreme Court, some of us have read Dr. Steven Freeman’s Unexplained Exit Poll Discrepancy and realize the 2004 election was outright stolen, and Bush has given himself through Executive Orders the power to declare martial law, suspend the Constitution, and either cancel or void the elections.

    I do not believe this upcoming election even matters because all Bush needs to do is fabricate another “national emergency” like 9/11 and declare martial law. He and his corrupt war profiteer buddies are raking in literally hundreds of billions of dollars and they have PLANS for continuing the plunder and rape of the Middle East’s oil reserves, Iran is next on their hit list. Who can seriously imagine that all this entrenched money and power is seriously going to roll over and let their greed be thwarted by either Barack or Hillary, when all that’s necessary is some more Bush-Cheney deception?

  • DancesWithFascists, are you out of your mind? “Grabbed Power”? Who are you kidding, when Bill Clinton was elected he took office with only 44% of the popular vote, and 48% the other time around. Where were the “law breaking” claims back then?

  • I think its hilarious how everyone loves to just “Take Obama at his word.” The only thing that I have seen in this race is a liar in Hillary Clinton, an Obama who is “all about change” but hasn’t given one single specific or how he plans to accomplish this change, and a John Mccain, who is a straightshooter and says it how it is. Clinton and Obama are not Democrats, they are Secular-Progressives. No matter who is president, there will be a change in the fact that Bush will no longer be in office. The question is how much change is good? Our country has been the strongest in the world because of hard work, opportunity and traditional values, not big government and entitlements. People are given an opportunity in this country but what they do with it is up to them. NO ONE is ENTITLED to ANYTHING!! All you people need to stop reading the NY Times and CNN and see the facts.

  • Smear:

    Michelle Obama Says “Whitey” On a Tape
    LIE: Rush Limbaugh says a tape exists of Michelle Obama using the word “whitey” from the pulpit of Trinity United
    LIE: Blogger Larry Johnson writes “New and dramatic developments. This is a heads up. I’ll post the news Monday morning by 0900 hours.”
    LIE: Proven GOP sleazemeister Roger Stone says he has “credible evidence that some indelible record exists” of a tape of Michelle Obama using the term “whitey.”
    LIE: Blogger: “Tape was filmed between June 26th – July 1st 2004 in Chicago, IL at the Rainbow/PUSH Coalition Conference at Trinity United Church: specifically the Women’s Event.”
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    No Such Tape Exists
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    Smear:

    Barack Obama’s birth certificate
    LIE: Barack Obama is hiding his birth certificate
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    You can see his birth certificate here
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    Smear:

    Barack Obama is a Muslim
    LIE: Barack Obama is a Muslim
    LIE: Barack Obama attended a radical madrassa
    LIE: Senator Obama was sworn into the US Senate using the Koran
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    Senator Obama has never been a Muslim, was not raised a Muslim, and is a committed Christian
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    Smear:

    Obama’s Books Contain Racially Incendiary Remarks
    A recent email forward allegedly quotes passages from Senator Obama’s books related to race and religion. The majority of these are alterations, deliberate manipulations, and in one case, an outright fabrication of Obama’s words.
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    Book Quotes are Truncated and Out of Context
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    Smear:

    Barack Obama Won’t Say The Pledge of Allegiance/Won’t Put His Hand Over His Heart
    LIE: Barack Obama won’t say the pledge
    LIE: Barack Obama won’t put his hand over this heart during the pledge of allegiance
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    View video of Barack leading The Pledge of Allegiance in the United States Senate
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    I Invented The Internet, I Thought Al Gore Did?

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    Journalists Hooked on Barack Obama
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    The Politico’s John Harris exchange on CNN’s Reliable Sources, January 13 about the media’s obsession with Barack Obama.

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    Believe in Yourself

    Sometimes people come into your life and you know right away that they were
    meant to be there. To serve some sort of purpose, teach you a lesson or
    help figure out who you are or who you want to become.

    You never know who these people may be but when you lock eyes with them, you
    know that very moment that they will affect your life in some profound way.
    And sometimes things happen to you at the time that may seem horrible,
    painful and unfair, but in reflection you realize that without overcoming
    those obstacles you would have never realized your potential, strength, will
    power or heart.

    Everything happens for a reason. Nothing happens by chance or by means of
    good luck. Illness, injury, love, lost moments of true greatness and sheer
    stupidity all occur to test the limits of your soul. Without these small
    tests, life would be like a smoothly paved, straight, flat road to nowhere.
    Safe and comfortable but dull and utterly pointless.

    The people you meet affect your life. The successes and downfalls that you
    experience can create who you are, and the bad experiences can be learned
    from. In fact, they are probably the most poignant and important ones.

    If someone hurts you, betrays you or breaks your heart, forgive them because
    they have helped you learn about trust and the importance of being cautious
    to whom you open your heart.

    If someone loves you, love them back unconditionally, not only because they
    love you, but because they are teaching you to love and to open your heart
    and eyes to little things. Make every day count.

    Appreciate every moment and take from it everything that you possibly can,
    for you may never be able to experience it again.

    Talk to people you have never talked to before, and actually listen. Let
    yourself fall in love, break free and set your sights high.

    Hold your head up because you have every right to. Tell yourself you are a
    great individual and believe in yourself, for if you don’t believe in
    yourself, no one else will believe in you. Create your own life and then go
    out and live it.

    “If you take your eyes off your goals, all you see are obstacles.”

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    The Impossible Dream

    Lyrics by Joe Darion
    Music by Mitch Leigh

    To dream the impossible dream,
    to fight the unbeatable foe,
    to bear with unbearable sorrow,
    to run where the brave dare not go.

    To right the unrightable wrong,
    to love pure and chaste from afar,
    to try when your arms are too weary,
    to reach the unreachable star.

    This is my quest,
    to follow that star —
    no matter how hopeless,
    no matter how far.

    To fight for the right
    without question or pause,
    to be willing to march into hell for a
    heavenly cause.

    And I know if I’ll only be true to this
    glorious quest
    that my heart will be peaceful and calm
    when I’m laid to my rest.

    And the world will be better for this,
    that one man scorned and covered with scars
    still strove with his last ounce of courage.
    To reach the unreachable stars.

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