WSJ editorial board just can’t help itself

Of all the various conservative voices arguing on behalf of telecom immunity, the editorial board of the Wall Street Journal has been the least coherent. Today, the far-right editors take on the 31 Democratic senators who voted for Chris Dodd’s rule-of-law amendment, specifically targeting Barack Obama.

“We lost every single battle we had on this bill,” conceded Chris Dodd, which ought to tell the Connecticut Senator something about the logic of what he was proposing. His own amendment — to deny immunity from lawsuits to telecom companies that cooperated with the government after 9/11 — didn’t even get a third of the Senate. It lost 67-31, though notably among the 31 was possible Democratic Presidential nominee Barack Obama. (Hillary Clinton was absent, while John McCain voted in favor.)

It says something about his national security world view, or his callowness, that Mr. Obama would vote to punish private companies that even the bipartisan Senate Intelligence Committee said had “acted in good faith.” Had Senator Obama prevailed, a President Obama might well have been told “no way” when he asked private Americans to help his Administration fight terrorists. Mr. Obama also voted against the overall bill, putting him in MoveOn.org territory.

The defeat of these antiwar amendments means the legislation now moves to the House in a strong position. Speaker Nancy Pelosi is in the Dodd-Obama camp, but 21 Blue Dog Democrats have sent her a letter saying they are happy with the Senate bill. She may try to pass the restrictions that failed in the Senate, and Republicans should tell her to make their day. This is a fight Senator McCain should want to have right up through Election Day, with Democrats having to explain why they want to hamstring the best weapon — real-time surveillance — we have against al Qaeda.

(bangs head against desk)

This isn’t about the Obama-Clinton match-up — as far as I can tell, Clinton, despite not voting yesterday, agreed with Obama’s position on the issue — this is about a far-right editorial board smearing Dems for doing the right thing.

First, the Journal tries to get in a cheap shot at Dodd, suggesting his efforts weren’t “logical” because they lacked majority support in the Senate. It’s an interesting argument — has the WSJ editorial board ever advocated a position that fell short of a majority? Did they assume, at the time, that this position must lack merit?

Second, the WSJ simply doesn’t know what it’s talking about when it argues that the telecoms would refuse to cooperate with a President Obama on counter-terrorism efforts unless the telecoms were awarded amnesty from law-breaking. The Journal is fundamentally confused about the nature of the debate.

As Matt Browner Hamlin concluded:

Getting to the actual hypothetical levied in this bumbling attack by the WSJ, I’d hope telecoms say no if President Obama asks for their help. If he makes the simple step of getting a warrant, I’d certainly expect the telecoms to comply. I haven’t heard of a single documented case where the telecoms refused to help the US Government spy on suspected terrorists when a warrant is forthcoming; to do so would surely land them in far greater legal hot water than their current plight.

Matt also raises a good point about the WSJ labeling these efforts “antiwar.”

This legislation had nothing to do with the war. It didn’t have anything to do with Iraq – it didn’t even have anything to do with Afghanistan. It’s a broad package of laws governing how the US government can monitor Americans. Pretending otherwise goes beyond the realm of Republican framing…. It’s lunacy, derived from their need to lie about what is going on in order to present a favorable case for their positions.

The fact that the Wall Street Journal editorial page, along with the White House and congressional Republicans, couldn’t win this debate without obvious and demonstrable lies tells us a little something about the quality of their argument.

Hey, remember when conservatives and Republicans used to worry about the federal government getting too big and too intrusive in our lives?

  • The fact that the Wall Street Journal editorial page, along with the White House and congressional Republicans, couldn’t win this debate without obvious and demonstrable lies tells us a little something about the quality of their argument.

    What does it say about us? We know they lie and their argument is stupid. We still can’t stop them.

  • I have emailed my DINO congressman reminding him that at a town meeting this summer I asked him “How much of the Bill of Rights is negotiable?” He assured me that the Second Amendment wasn’t negotiable, but he waffled on the Fourth Amendment. In my email I urged him to resist changes to the original House bill, but I’m not optimistic that it will do any good.

    I encourage everyone out there to contact your congressmen in support of the original House bill, and in opposition to the Senate version.

  • to deny immunity from lawsuits to telecom companies that cooperated with the government after 9/11

    THEY COOPERATED BEFORE 9/11 YOU F***ING CLUELESS IDIOTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Also, since when did a terrorist attack nullify the Fourth Amendment? Why didn’t Clinton demand every phone record of rabid rightwingers after the Oklahoma City bombing? Do 3,000 people have to die before companies can break the law with impunity, or is a lesser number acceptable?

    Dear sweet Jesus H. Tapdancing Christ on a Big Wheel … why is “The Constitution” so damned hard for some people to understand?

    The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

    It seems pretty clear to me.

  • CB: “…as far as I can tell, Clinton, despite not voting yesterday, agreed with Obama’s position on the issue…

    I hope Steve’s right, but how does he know? He’s anybody read or seen a statement from her on this issue?

  • (bangs head against desk)

    Steve, THIS is why I love this blog so. You have an absolutely brilliant sense of humor. It helps when taking the awful tasting medicine that is current day gooper politics.

  • All you need to know about the WSJ editorial board is that when their smears drove Vince Foster to kill himself, that thought it was a grand opportunity to score political points off the death by pinning their crime on the Clintons.

    Most human beings would at least have a momentary lapse of remorse, even if they thought their story was justified, and their’s wasn’t.

  • CB: “…as far as I can tell, Clinton, despite not voting yesterday, agreed with Obama’s position on the issue…

    Following up, until I see evidence to the contrary, I remain skeptical about Clinton’s opposition to telecom immunity. I went to the news page on her site where several press releases dated today, yesterday and the day prior have been posted. Not one of them addresses her position on yesterday’s Dodd/Feingold vote.

    Her silence is deafening.

  • The telecoms may be getting their arms twisted a little harder that some of us knew. Evidently, the word is going out that if you want a license, you want to cooperate with the FBI or else.

    It’s covered in this journal’s story about what happened when T-mobile tried to extend its U.S. coverage by acquiring an American telecom. Read it and barf:

    http://www.betanews.com/article/Dept_of_Homeland_Security_granted_right_to_snoop_on_TMobile_users/1202754099

    Yours Crankily,
    The New York Crank

  • MsJoanne said:

    OT…MarkD, funny, funny blog!! Loved it!

    Awww … shucks …

    **blushes**

    Now if I can just get CB to add it to his blogroll, even though I don’t update often enough, or cover politics, or write about anything all that important, or …

    😉

  • What Rick said in #2.

    We can stop them. What we need to do is keep plugging away at getting better Democrats in office. Someday we will have enough to kill off the corruption we suffer under.

    Soldier on.

  • I am not normally one to say nice things about Qwest, but it undermines WSJ’s hypothetical a bit that one of the Ma Bell spin-offs in fact appears to have refused to cooperate (and may have been punished for their position) even without Senator Obama’s vote yesterday.

  • Mark D gave me an idea.

    How about offering them immunity for violations of the law AFTER 9/11?

    Sure it is an unpleasant compromise, but then it shows that Bush and Cheney wanted illleghal surveillance even before Al Qaeda attacked.

    And while I find it difficult to say much good about the scumbags that ran Qwest, at least they didn’t fall for all of the government;s crap.

    What do the telecoms have on politicians? Are they big financial donors? Do they have the tapes? What gives?

  • NeilS–
    I’ve suggested not only that idea in the past, but also another compromise:

    Immunity in exchange for permanent Net Neutrality.

    Personally, I think it’s a great compromise and allows us to at least get something out of the deal. I even sent emails to my Reps and Senators (but never heard back .. go figure).

    Sadly, neither one will ever happen.

  • Does anybody here think for one instant that, if the FBI or other agency went to a telecom with a plausible legal cover and a hundred million bucks that there would be a refusal to cooperate?

  • You I get so tired of the Clinton bashing so she missed a vote that had no chance in passing at all and because she missed the vote some of you assume that she would have voted with republicans. It just shocks the mind.

  • FWIW, I read the last WSJ’s editorial about the FISA debate, threw up in my mouth, and then went on to read the comments posted. People of all stripes were calling them out on their obvious stupidity and hackery. And, yes, I know that a comments section isn’t necessarily representative of their readership, but it was fun anyway to see them shredded to bits on their own website.

  • Mr. Obama would vote to punish private companies…

    Survey says….. BZZZZZZZZZZZZ.

    Voting that they should not have blanket retroactive immunity, and thus may be subject to legal penalties if a jury were to find that they broke the law, is NOT the same as voting to penalize them from the floor of the Senate! Unless the WSJ is conceding that the telecoms acted illegally, and are assuming they will lose all of the cases against them. (even then, that’s not exactly what the 31 Dems voted for).

    (bangs head against desk)

    I’m also curious to hear a definitive statement from Senator Clinton. If she clearly opposes it, good for her and I’m happy to give her a pass on missing the vote (it’d be pretty much the same as Obama and Kyl-Lieberman). But I haven’t seen the statement yet, which worries me.

  • I’d like to hear more about how many genuine al-Qaeda terrorists have actually been killed or captured using the U.S.’s best weapon – “real-time surveillance” of phone calls between Americans and people outside America. I’m betting it looks a lot like a big goose-egg, AKA zero. Of course, the Bush administration would say, “Is NOT!! There’s been LOTS, but we can’t tell you how many because it might jeopardize sensitive sources and methods, so that stuff is SECRET”.

    By far the majority of actionable intelligence, resulting in high-profile kills or captures, came from in-country resources near the location where the event took place; spies or collaborators, mostly. I doubt very much if listening in on Americans’ phone calls or sampling their email has yielded a single anti-terrorist success – any success in Bushland is promptly shouted from the rooftops – but I’ll bet the technique has resulted in a treasure-trove of actionable dirt and leverage.

  • Well, maybe I shouldn’t say I’d be *happy* to give Clinton a pass on her non-vote, to my mind this was one of the most important votes to protect our rights. And she certainly has shown no leadership on this issue. But I could be persuaded that it was forgivable… if I knew for sure where she stood.

    Sorry to double-post.

  • Any Islamo-Fascist-Terrorist-Caliph worth a damn has long stopped using electronic means of communication.

    This is not an episode of “24”, sorry Justice Scallia.

  • “(bangs head against desk)”

    i keep doing this on a regular basis on this issue. what the f**k is up with this congress?

  • ”just bill said:
    “(bangs head against desk)”

    i keep doing this on a regular basis on this issue. what the f**k is up with this congress? ”

    They’re a bunch of f**king traitors. That’s whats up.

  • Voting that they should not have blanket retroactive immunity, and thus may be subject to legal penalties if a jury were to find that they broke the law, is NOT the same as voting to penalize them from the floor of the Senate!

    BZZZZZT!
    Nuance! Nuance! Nuance! Disqualified…

  • What was that about how Rupert wasn’t going to be trying to influence the WSJ editorial board when he took over the paper? Yeah, I know, they had their head up their asses before, but this is so over the op that I just want to find Rupert’s fingerprints on it. But of course they have printed total BS regularly for years, so just never mind my musings…

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