Bush’s confounding confusion on surveillance law

I don’t want to belabor the point, but I re-read the transcript of the president’s brief South Lawn press conference yesterday, and a few of Bush’s comments about telecom immunity suggest the president doesn’t have the foggiest idea what he’s talking about.

“The Senate bill will provide fair and just liability protection for companies that assisted in the efforts to protect America after the attacks of September the 11th. Without this protection, without this liability shield, we may not be able to secure the private sector’s cooperation with our intelligence efforts. And that, of course, would put the American people at risk. […]

“[P]eople are wondering why companies need liability protection. Well, if you cooperate with the government and then get sued for billions of dollars because of the cooperation, you’re less likely to cooperate. And obviously we’re going to need people working with us to find out what the enemy is saying and thinking and plotting and planning.”

It’s deeply unfortunate that, after all of these months of debate and discussion, the president is still this confused.

The Bush administration wants to extend amnesty to telecommunications companies that appear to have broken the law. I say “appear” because the telecoms can have their day in court, presenting evidence, and defending their decisions. Bush believes Congress should stop ongoing legal proceedings, and doing so is important enough to hold the nation’s surveillance laws hostage. (As Matt Yglesias put it, “It’s almost as if the Republican Party exists to serve the interests of large business enterprises and very wealthy individuals, and tends to use national security and cultural anxieties as a kind of political theater aimed at securing votes so that they can better pursue their real agenda of enriching the wealthy and powerful.”)

The notion, though, that telecoms would no longer cooperate with intelligence agencies is just foolish. Two things would happen without telecom immunity: 1) the companies and their teams of lawyers would defend their decisions in a fair trial; and 2) the companies would continue to cooperate because the administration (and any future administration) would get a warrant.

To hear Bush tell it, telecoms would start blowing off court orders. That’s simply not realistic — the telecoms and their lawyers are well aware of the fact that refusing to honor a warrant would bring rather drastic legal consequences. With or without amnesty for previous criminal conduct, the companies will have to cooperate — they won’t have a choice.

Nevertheless, it appears that the White House, despite all of its huffing and puffing, is not going to get what it wants, at least not now.

The House broke for a week’s recess Thursday without renewing terrorist surveillance authority demanded by President Bush, leading him to warn of risky intelligence gaps while Democrats accused him of reckless fear mongering. […]

Trying to put pressure on Democrats, Mr. Bush offered to delay a trip to Africa to resolve the dispute and warned that failure to extend the expanded power under the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act, which expires Saturday, could hamper efforts to track terrorists…. But Ms. Pelosi and other House Democrats said Mr. Bush and Congressional Republicans were at fault because they had resisted temporarily extending the bill to allow disagreements to be worked out. Democrats would not be bullied into approving a measure they considered flawed, she said.

Good for the Dems, who effectively called Bush’s bluff.

As for the “consequences,” the WaPo had a fairly helpful Q&A on what happens when the PPA expires.

The Protect America Act (PAA), approved last August, expanded the government’s ability to monitor the communications of terrorism suspects without obtaining court warrants. The law is set to expire at the end of the day tomorrow unless Congress renews it. Here is what could happen if the law expired:

* The government would retain all the powers it had before last August under the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA), which requires the government to obtain court approval for surveillance conducted on U.S. soil or against U.S. targets.

* Classified orders allowing the monitoring of international telephone calls, e-mail traffic and other communications under the Protect America Act routinely are valid for a year, so they would not expire before August.

* Those orders cover terrorist groups or telecommunication providers in their entirety, according to government officials and lawmakers. New groups, phone numbers and other information could be added to existing orders, Democratic lawmakers say.

* If a targeted person uses a telecommunication company not covered by such an order, the administration says the government may have to obtain a new order from the FISA court. The administration views this as a cumbersome process; Democrats say obtaining emergency FISA approval is straightforward.

* Administration officials say that without the PAA, they may have to seek FISA court approval to monitor communications between foreigners that pass through U.S. switches. Democrats counter that such communications are covered by existing directives.

The consequences are hardly drastic. If lives were literally in danger without the PAA, the administration would drop its demands for telecom immunity.

Bush just tied the shootings at Northern Illinois University to the need to pass this legislation. How compassionate.

  • Well, if you cooperate with the government and then get sued for billions of dollars because of the cooperation, you’re less likely to cooperate.

    I’m pretty sure the reasoning goes like this:
    1) It the president does it, it’s not against the law
    2) “Cooperation” makes you part of the presidency
    3) Therefore, if you “cooperate” it is not against the law

    Enjoy your stay in Africa, jerk.

  • This isn’t over. Contact your Senators and Representatives. Let them know that your vote for them is at stake. From what I’ve heard, actual letters get the most notice, because they take the most effort. Phone calls are next and emails get the least attention. I called my congressman, Here is the letter I sent to my Senator:

    Senator Mikulski,

    I was appalled and embarrassed by your vote to keep retroactive immunity for the illegal actions committed by the Telecommunications companies, particularly for actions before September 11, 2001, in the so-called Protect America Act. I believe this was a defining moment for the Senate. Sadly, your vote defined you as favoring corporate interests over privacy rights and expediency over accountability.

    The scare tactics of the President and his fellow Republicans are based on lies. If the so-called Protect America Act expires, the government will not lose all ability to monitor foreign terrorists. As the New York Times says,

    “The lapsing of the deadline would have little practical effect on intelligence gathering. Intelligence officials would be able to intercept communications from Qaeda members or other identified terrorist groups for a year after the initial eavesdropping authorization for that particular group.
    “If a new terrorist group is identified after Saturday, intelligence officials would not be able to use the broadened eavesdropping authority. They would be able to seek a warrant under the more restrictive standards in place for three decades through the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act.”

    In addition, granting immunity to the telecommunications companies and ending the lawsuits against them will eliminate any possibility that Congress can effectively investigate how the Bush administration used the FISA law and whether they misused the law. The President has shown a disdain for Congress’ Constitutionally-mandated oversight responsibilities, and he will never release information about how the administration administered their intelligence-gathering powers at Congress’ request.

    I hope that if this issue comes up for another vote that you will try to demonstrate that the $80,250 the Telecommunications companies gave you, plus any monies they gave you after June 30, 2006, is not enough for you to allow them to break the law and violate my rights with impunity.

    Sincerely,

    * * * * * * * * * *

  • It’s deeply unfortunate that, after all of these months of debate and discussion, the president is still this confused.

    This should read “It’s deeply unfortunate although not at all unexpected that, after all these months of debate and discussion, the president is still determined to lie through his teeth to the American people and to deliberately disinform and defraud the electorate to extent unparalleled in recent history.”

    This so-called presidency cannot and will not end soon enough.

  • the president doesn’t have the foggiest idea what he’s talking about.

    No. Way.

    I think that’s the only way to begin the debate.

    The man has lied how many times now?

    I think we have one person to thank for his continuing reliance on deception in setting the debate:

    Nancy Pelosi.

    We need her like a hole in the head, and I hope the next president realizes what an asset she has been to the Republicons.

  • Seeing how hard Bush, the GOP, and the Bush Dogs have pushed the lies regarding telecom immunity, raises two questions. First, what are they so desperate to hide? Second, what’s wrong with seeking warrants? Isn’t it true that the FISA court routinely approves almost every request? What’s the FISA court’s record on denials?

  • I don’t really get this telcom immunity thing, either. Why not use warrants. This is not a banana-republic.

    From what I do understand is that of a Telecom gets sued for breach of Privacy related matters, the Telecom will have to turn over lots of its records to the court.

    My guess is that there may be some embarrassing items (to Ol’ Shrub) in the records. So with no suit via the immunity measure, there would be no disclosure of embarassing info.

    But I could be out to lunch, because I have alread said that I really don’t understand this.

  • “It’s deeply unfortunate that, after all of these months of debate and discussion, the president is still this confused.”

    he’s not confused. he’s just lying his ass off.

  • “Cooperation” from the telecoms is only needed for unlawful orders. Lawful ones require them to act. Telecoms don’t get to decide what they share, the law does.

  • If I’m not mistaken, this FISA bill codifies powers that the administration previously had claimed were legally theirs beforehand. This somewhat rare change in position toward deference to the rule of law and Congressional prerogatives, along with the inclusion and insistence of retroactive immunity, seems to me to be a fairly straightforward admission that the administration (ergo the telecommunications firms) were engaged in illegal operations, and that administration (if not the companies [other than Qwest]) know it.

  • The most troubling thing about the whole telecom issue, which those paying attention know began prior to 9/11, is why the telecom companies, with all of their smart lawyers, would do something in violation of the Constitution. Knowing how the Bush administration has been doing the bidding of corporate friends since day 1, what was the quid pro quo part of this arrangement? The telecoms must have known there could be a price paid with this arrangement, what was their perceived reward for incurring this risk? Everyone has their price.

  • In addition, I have read that the FISA court has denied only about 1% of the requests for warrants. It’s little more than a rubber stamp. Further, warrants for new targets can be approved retroactively; when a new target is found, surveillance can begin immediately. A warrant can be applied for, and granted, after the fact within a given time frame. On the face of it, there is very little justification for circumventing the FISA court.

  • Is it possible to get a non-partisan report on what happened when the telecoms didn’t get paid by the government?

    It seems to me that it is important for the Democrats to show that this entire mess is due to the Republicans protecting big phone companies from losing money.

    If the Democrats make too many claims that can be attacked then the Democrats can end up losing the battle even when they are completely correct.

    The pithy soundbites are all on the Republican side. The facts are all on the Democrats side but facts don’t always make pithy soundbites.

  • you asked yesterday if there was an alternate explanation than “lying;” i proposed “stupidity.”

    i rest my case.

  • We have 5,000 Americans dying of food poisoning every year. Are we spending hundreds of billions of dollars every year on a war on food poisoning? What about all the school and public shootings of late? Are we spending hundreds of billions each year on a war on crazed non-Muslims killing their fellow Americans? This whole discussion is a fear mongering and out of proportion joke. I am tired of it. Where is the faith of Christian Americans? Is it in their God, or a 1/2 trillion dollar a year defense budget?

  • Congradulations to my two U.S. Senators in Indiana who both voted on the ‘right’ side of Telecomm Immunity.

    The main argument for voting for this immunity is that ‘unless we provide immunity for past & ongoing illegalities, the Telecomms probably will not be willing to assist the government in the future with illegal acts’.

    Of course, the other argument for voting for Telecomm Immunity is that the Telecomms are providing our politicians with ‘campaign contributions’. At least this argument has a level of rationality to it!

  • Pat Oliphant’s cartoon today is spot on.

    And Toles nailed it here back in October.

    I’m sending paper copies of both cartoons to Sen. Feinstein, Sen. Reid, and the Hon. Nancy Pelosi.

  • To hear Bush tell it, telecoms would start blowing off court orders.

    This is the bushco MO, is it not? Inside the bubble I’m sure he thinks that everyone thinks and acts the way he does, therefore it stands to reason everyone else would just blow off court orders too. Doesn’t this putz stop to think that he should lead by example? If HE followed the rule of law, then everyone else would have no excuses. I know that would be hard for the bushbrat, but Pappy ought to take him over his knee and bust his ass.

  • Bush is EXACTLY right – companies do not have to honor warrants, it’s entirely optional.

    After all, when Bush officials are subpoenaed they can CHOOSE to stay home; there will be no consequences, probably a contempt vote, maybe a strongly worded letter. No impeachment proceedings, no contempt vote on the President himself. So why do we expect him to hold ANYONE accountable for ANYTHING?

  • “the companies would continue to cooperate because the administration (and any future administration) would get a warrant.”

    Exactly.

    For the life of me I can’t understand why these thugs have such a problem with the Fourth Amendment. Unless, of course, they are up to something which is clearly wrong and for which no warrant would be forthcoming.

    As for the telecoms, it isn’t about patriotism. It’s about money. Remember what they did when the FBI got behind in paying them for their wiretaps? They terminated them!

  • Bush is a crook, and the Republicans are thugs. That much is now irrefutable.

    Gilding THAT lily is becoming, alas, tedious and counterproductive. Anyone see Eliot Spitzer’s Op-Ed in the Washington Post yesterday? How a Civil War Era office was used to negate consumer protections in all 50 states against predatory lending, and all 50 attorneys general opposed the heavy-handed Bush regime’s “immunity” to predatory bankers.?

    To no avail? (Yes: to no avail. Unbelievable.)

    Same song, different key. It goes on and on and on and on and on and …

  • For the life of me I can’t understand why these thugs have such a problem with the Fourth Amendment. Unless, of course, they are up to something which is clearly wrong and for which no warrant would be forthcoming.

    They have problems with the entire FRACKING Constitution. Bush was told he was king and he’s been acting like it. Then 2006 happened and BOOM – the “king” has an opposition Parliament all of a sudden. Suddenly his “royal orders” might come under scrutiny, so he needed a way to cover his ass BEFORE the revelations come out.

    Bush had been expecting this whole “Permanent Republican Majority” thing to happen – he earned that nickname “Bubble Boy” for a reason. He’s counted on that “Permanent Republican Majority” to cover his ass for a decade or so after he left office. 2006 showed that maybe, just maybe, his ass wasn’t as covered as he needed it to be. So quick – before leaving office – he needs to get that ass covered.

    The sad part is – it won’t matter. The next President isn’t going to do anything more to these crooks than Clinton did when he took over after the first Bush Cabal. So Bush is going through all of this effort for no good reason. But, really, that’s the epitaph for this administration isn’t it – “A whole lot off effort for no good reason.”

  • This has got to be no more than political posturing by Bush. As I recall, he does have the power of the Presidential pardon. If Congress were to pull immunity for the PAA he could just issue a pardon to those companies that “cooperated”. I and countless others probably wouldn’t like it much but he does have the power to grant it. Either he’s to stupid to realize this or he just wants the Dems to take the hit for him. I’m betting on the latter.

  • There’s one thing that’s still confusingme about this immunity issue and how it relates to Bush’s claim that telecomm companies may refuse to cooperate in the future. It’s my understanding that the law provides a procedure through which the administration can obtain warrants, retroactively, within 72 hours of the surveillance activity. This implies that there’s an opportunity for the phone companies to provide assistance prior to them seeing any warrant commanding they comply with the request.

    In this case, what would be the phone company’s liability?

  • “I’m the commander—see, I don’t need to explain—I do not need to explain why I say things. That’s the interesting thing about being president.” – George Bush to Bob Woodward

  • “I don’t give a goddamn,” Bush retorted. “I’m the President and the Commander-in-Chief. Do it my way.”

    “Mr. President,” one aide in the meeting said. “There is a valid case that the provisions in this law undermine the Constitution.”

    “Stop throwing the Constitution in my face,” Bush screamed back. “It’s just a goddamned piece of paper!”

    Bush to a group of Republican Congressional leaders… November 2005

    Does anything more need to be said about Bush’s view on the Constitution & our laws?

  • Bottom line is that the telecoms could NOT be provided with a warrant, because they are collecting, without filters, vast amounts of data that flow through their systems, including emails, phone calls and so forth. This data is not only being collected on possible terrorists….but every single American citizen. Indiscriminate collection of data is the worst possible violation of the Fourth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution, and is clearly why the U.S. has now been labeled a society with endemic survelliance. A police state. Immunity and amnesty for the telecoms means immunity/amnesty for this criminal administration as well. Bush and his ilk are NOT interested in protecting the American people. Otherwise, Bush would NEVER have threatened to veto any FISA reauthorization that didn’t include immunity. They are protecting themselves. Period.

  • Smiling Dixie @ 31 – is this for real or are you being snarky. Either way – its (sadly) too funny. Yet – if real…sheesh, what a frigging (so understated) idiot.

    Sigh

  • SDuffys – Sadly, this is for real!

    Try a Google search of “Stop throwing the constitution in my face” or “It’s just a goddamned piece of paper”

    What reason would we have to believe that Bush did not mean it? It is the way that he has RULED.

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