Bush says ‘our country is more in danger of an attack’ — and it’s Dems’ fault

It looks like the president believes his misleading attacks will sound more credible if he repeats them over and over again. For the third time in as many days, Bush appeared before cameras to blast House Democrats for not giving him the surveillance powers he wants.

“The Senate passed a good bipartisan bill that makes sure our intelligence community has the tools necessary to protect America from this real threat — and I want to thank you all, and thank the Democrats in the United States Senate who worked closely with Mitch and John to get a strong piece of legislation, with a 68-vote majority, out of the Senate.

“And this bill comes to the House of Representatives and it was blocked. And by blocking this piece of legislation our country is more in danger of an attack. By not giving the professionals the tools they need, it’s going to be a lot harder to do the job we need to be able to defend America.

“People say, ‘Oh, it doesn’t matter if this law hasn’t been renewed’ — it does matter. It matters for a variety of reasons. It matters because the intelligence officials won’t have tools necessary to get as much information as we possibly can to protect you. […]

“[T]he House leaders must understand that the decision they made to block good legislation has made it harder for us to protect you, the American people, and we expect them to get a good bill to my desk — which is the Senate bill — as soon as possible.”

Bush didn’t get what he wants, so we should all panic. That, in effect, is the argument. All of this is wrong, of course — the administration’s talking points are almost incredibly misleading — but demagoguery has gotten the Bush gang this far, and they don’t see any reason to change their m.o.

And to their enormous credit, House Democrats — who one might expect to be caving right now — don’t seem the slightest bit fazed by the president’s bogus argument.

Here’s a statement Speaker Pelosi issued today:

“The President is misrepresenting the facts on our nation’s electronic surveillance capabilities. Last August, he insisted that Congress pass the Protect America Act; but this week, he refused to support an extension, which can only mean he knows our intelligence agencies will be able to do all the wiretapping they need to do to protect the nation. That surveillance can be undertaken under broad orders authorized under the PAA or under orders that can be obtained through the FISA court.

“The President knows the facts; if he did not want the PAA to expire this weekend, he should have supported an extension of it, as the overwhelming majority of House Democrats did on Wednesday. Having guaranteed the lapse of the August law, the President should now work in a cooperative way with Congress to pass a strong FISA modernization bill that protects our nation’s security and the Constitution.”

I think we’ve all come to expect the Dems to fold like a house of cards when the president starts telling the nation that unless Congress gives him everything he wants, when he wants it, we’re all going to die. But this week, Pelosi & Co. refused to play the game.

As one Democratic Hill staffer put it:

I can’t remember which show it was – something like the Brady Bunch – where the protagonist is being picked on by a bully and at a certain point lashes out and inadvertently bloodies the bully’s nose (and ends the bully’s tyrannical reign, etc). It seems that the House may have inadvertently done just this. In the face of an all-too-familiar pattern of administration fear mongering instead of cowardly acceding to the administration’s wishes (and tacitly reinforcing the effectiveness of the administration’s fearmongering) the House seems, through something other than a concerted response, to have stumbled into a situation where they have bloodied the administration’s nose. Short of cancelling his Africa trip and spending all of next week demagoging this issue, I don’t see how the admin keeps their credibility on this. A line has been crossed.

It’s about time.

http://www.crooksandliars.com/2008/02/14/countdown-special-comment-on-fisa-president-bush-is-a-liar-and-a-fascist/

If there’s anyone in the world who hasn’t yet seen this, it is So. Worth. It.

  • If it comes to pass that the operation to give every House Dem a spine was successful, it will be a great and joyous day. I wish the optimism didn’t have to be so cautious – it’s kinda like wanting to believe a friend with an addiction when he says “This time, I really mean it, I’m going to straighten out my act starting right now.” You want to believe, and you don;t doube the sincerity of the moment, but backsliding is just sooooo easy when you’ve done it sooooo many times before.

  • More like A Christmas Story, when Ralphie stands up to Scott Farkas, after taking one too many snowballs to the head.

  • You know, if I had any faith in anybody associated with the Bush administration actually KNOWING what the “info” they’re getting is about and then actually doing anything about it, I’d say “fine”.

    But this administration is so damn inept at anything they endeavor to do, they’d probably screw it up.

  • And to their enormous credit, House Democrats — who one might expect to be caving right now — don’t seem the slightest bit fazed by the president’s bogus argument.

    Good news so far, but agree with post above – far to much “bait and switch” from the dems. We will have to let them know we support them, that they are speaking for the vast majority of Americans, and we expect them to hold the line.

    Unfortunately – current gang has either capitulated to virtually EVERYTHING a historically unpopular pResdisnt demands or talks a good game and then caves.

    We will see….

  • What slappy said.

    Show me the beef, Pelosi. If they’ve committed crimes (and we all know that they have) then you should be doing a lot more to stop them and send a message to the next gang of thugs to try it.

    If you’re serious you’ll defend the rule of law. If this is just election year pandering, we’ll know it.

  • I can’t remember which show it was – something like the Brady Bunch – where the protagonist is being picked on by a bully and at a certain point lashes out and inadvertently bloodies the bully’s nose (and ends the bully’s tyrannical reign, etc).

    How could they forget?

    A Christmas Story. Peter Billingsly (as Ralphie) beat the snot out of R.D. Robb (as Schwartz).

    http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0085334/

  • bubba,

    Not only did you beat me to it, you identified the correct character. +10 points for you.

  • the administration’s talking points are almost incredibly misleading

    No they are not, they are LIES. Quit being nice, Steve.

  • Is there a correlation between Donna Edwards’ victory on Tuesday and Pelosi’s and Hoyer’s newly found spines?

  • Aaaaand….have Obama or Clinton made any sort of statements about this yet?

    Pfft. Clinton couldn’t even be bothered to cast a vote on this in the Senate.

  • Don’t miss the link to Olbermann that Jen has provided at comment #1. It’s his best ever.

    Thanks, Keith. Unfortunately, you are one of a kind.

  • To be fair, there was an episode of The Brady Bunch where Peter stood up to a bully that had been teasing Cindy cause of her lisp. Knocked a bully’s tooth loose so HE wound up lisping. Which makes it better than A Christmas Story because it has street justice AND irony!

    But A Christmas Story had fake cursing…

    I can’t choose

  • The gushing over spine is too generous and premature. You did notice that the senate capitulated big time, no?. Even now Pelosi is squandering the opportunity to frame the issue (corporate immunity stupid – not terrorism) in a sound bite so juvenile even Republican Zombies get it. For all the happy talk of turning a corner, we are one attack away from electing Darth Cheney by a landslide come November.

  • It was the Brady Bunch. Some tough kid was making fun of Cindy when she was practicing tongue-twisters to correct her “s” slurring- Peter stood up for her, and eventually (after trying to reason with him) threw a really sorry punch that connected. Remember the line the kid used on Cindy-“Baby talk, baby talk, it’s a wonder you can walk,” as he stood under that tree. (End of flashback.) I never understood why the whole family didn’t gather to beat the crap out of the bully. Not just Greg. Marsha could have taken him. Picking on the youngest of a family of six isn’t highly intelligent.

    As for the spines, there probably weren’t any operations. They’re using strap-on porta-a-spines they rented from Dogbert Consulting Co. I wonder how long the lease runs.

  • Thank god the terrorists are so stupid that they will continue to divulge all their plans in full over the phone to each other rather than using some method of communications more cryptic, secretive and conniving. Once the PAA passes, the evildoers will know to continue to use easily intercepted modes of communication. Everybody knows the terra-ists only read American newspapers when the Democrats makes statements about the war in Iraq going badly but not when the president exclaims loudly about the need to tap telephonic communications. We’ll all be in trouble in the terrorists are smarter than that.

  • I’m sick and tired of this “spineless” and “caving” nonsense people use to describe Congressional dems. They’re not “caving”, they *support* the GOP’s fear mongering. They’ve been complicit with it all along. For example, it came out months ago that top ranking Congressional dems, including Pelosi, knew years ago that the CIA was using torture as an interrogation technique. Remember that?

    Mark my words. That’s why Reid keeps letting Senate republicans get away with non-filibuster obstruction; he supports their agenda. That’s why Pelosi said impeachment is off the table; because real oversight against the GOP would implicate her and other dem leaders.

    Please stop with the “spinless” and “caving” comments. Even that is giving the dem “leadership” too much credit. They aren’t cowards, they’re collaborators.

  • I think we’ve all come to expect the Dems to fold like a house of cards when the president starts telling the nation that unless Congress gives him everything he wants, when he wants it, we’re all going to die.

    Yes we do, and Harry Reid’s crew in the Senate has taken this issue as yet another opportunity to demonstrate why that will always be the money-winning way to bet. That said, it is very nice of Pelosi to provide one of the very rare counter-examples that keeps all of us rubes hoping that Dems in Congress may be redeemable at some point.

  • I am shocked and amazed. Of all the times I thought they just might hold out, this was not one of them.

    I think the president can personally thank the R’s in Congress for walking out. Who can possibly take the president seriously when his own party thought it was so life threatening that they staged a walk out. Every single R, including Bush, threw hissy fits and it backfired big time.

    Does anyone think Bush really wants to go to Africa ??

    And folks, if something does go down, even in a year, don’t think for a minute this won’t get hung around our necks.

  • Even if Pelosi put impeachment back on that friggin table tomorrow, I would still want her sorry ass out of there next election. Reid, too. Both are completely useless and do not deserve another term.

    Too long. Too little. Too late.

    Buh bye! Dead in my eyes, and all.

  • Look you have to give props to Pelosi for calling Bush’s bluff – at least she didn’t roll over like Reid – yet. Tiny bit of credit when it’s due, please.

    Of course she should have started impeachment hearings on Day 1 – but at least there is SOME daylight between the Harry Reid capitulation and the Nancy Pelosi bluff-calling.

  • As they say in Poland… A single swallow does not mean it’s spring yet. I’d have to see a lot more behaviour like that, before I could begin to see a pattern rather than an oddity.

  • The administration has been outed by this bill. It proves that telecom immunity is more important to the president than our national security. He claims this bill is necessary for our security but will veto it unless it has telecom immunity. So our national security is not enough, we must have amnesty for corps that broke the law or screw our national security.
    The Boehner Babies are stamping their feet before the cameras and the president is shaking his fist at the House…and the response is..Grow up…and it’s coming from the people Mr. President, not just the House reps.

    Who is he trying to convince…the people know the truth this time…that he’s out and out lying…so who does he think he’s fooling? The republicans couldn’t have demonstrated their obstructionist childish lying hypocrisy any better than what the Boehner Babies and the president are doing now. Just pathetic…time to go beg for more oil George.

    ***btw***screw you Harry Reid, Jay Rockefeller, Feistein, McConnell, McCaskill, Nelson and the rest…all you did was just show the voters how easily you can be bought. Our security will not suffer one bit by letting this PAA expire. Only now the telecoms will have to pay back some of the money you bribed them with to break the law. Ha-ha.

  • you know, i’m no happier than many of the posters here at the weakness the dems have shown, but really: you can’t be tougher than your weakest members.

    if pelosi has a substantial number of blue dogs who are barely democrats in her caucus, then she doesn’t really have a majority.

    if harry reid has joe lieberman as his majority (not to mention ben nelson), then he doesn’t really have a majority.

    tell me, children: what are reid and pelosi supposed to do about that? hold their breath and turn blue?

    (and yes, i know that at least reid could have brought the correct FISA bill to the floor, but that’s minor in the face of the actual votes.)

    talking tough in blog comments sections is easy: getting blue dogs and joe lieberman and ben nelson to vote the right way is hard work. do any of you people so ready to dis pelosi and reid have an actual way to do that?

  • Shade Tail #22 – “They aren’t cowards, they’re collaborators”.
    Perhaps they are both. What I am not is an enabler. I am perfectly content to vote third party before I support more of this nonsense.

  • tell me, children: what are reid and pelosi supposed to do about that? hold their breath and turn blue?

    I had this conversation the other day with a friend of mine. I was from the same school as you, but, if they were to put impeachment on the table, even if it is voted against, it has to be investigated and they would have to get answers to the things they are not now getting answers to.

    I know they don’t have the votes to do much. I understand that. BUT, that said, too many are turning tail or burying their heads in the sand, or whatever catchy phrase you might want to insert.

    They gave all the funding for the war, which is HUGELY unpopular.

    They have given in to Bush et al at every turn.

    They allow the goopers to THREATEN filibuster without MAKING them filibuster.

    There are many avenues they could take, yet they take none. Until now.

    I hope that spine holds. America needs it now more than any time in my living history.

  • do any of you people so ready to dis pelosi and reid have an actual way to do that?

    Yes. You pick a handful of the most important issues and work on getting your most wayward members on board for those votes, whether through vote-trading or pointing out that the issue is actually popular in their district and the Bush position isn’t. Or any other method. Pelosi has done a good job of corralling her members on a number of issues so I don’t blame her as much as others do, though taking impeachment off the table was stupid. Reid refuses to even hold 40 together for a filibuster, and hasn’t won anything. I know it is a hard job, but he should at least be winning 25% of the battles. Instead, I am trying to think of any wins for Reid in the last year and coming up blank. Even the bills Bush has vetoed have been diluted compromise bills.

  • MsJoanne, it’s not impossible that putting impeachment on the table would be the magic bullet, but i doubt it: if the votes were there for impeachment, they’d be there for everything else.

    shalimar, jeez, imagine that – i’m sure pelosi and reid never thought of such a thing (yes, i’m being sarcastic). i get the frustration, but that is completely unrealistic. joe lieberman is not going to return to sanity because of highway spending; ben nelson isn’t going to become sane because of a water dam; the blue dogs aren’t going to become democrats with spines thanks to a few earmarks.

    the reality is, a lot of congressional democrats have barely more principles (if any) than congressional republicans (or even if they have them, they don’t think their district or state does). why, for example, do you think congressional republicans continue to support bush blindly on iraq? partly because they are idiot thugs, admittedly, but the other part is that opposition to the war in iraq in the republican party is political suicide: the right-wing will oppose them otherwise.

    there are 3 ways in my estimation to get better performance out of congressional dems: a.) elect more of them, so the blue dogs and joe lieberman and ben nelson don’t hold the balance of power; b.) elect better democrats (i trust every single person who is sitting here dissing pelosi and reid, for example, gave the big bucks to donna edwards, because i’m not interested in hearing from you if you didn’t; c.) elect a dem president.

    more pork for al wynn wouldn’t make any damn difference.

  • Howard, at this point I don’t care whether he’s impeached or not (of course my preference is for just because this admin has set a scary scary precedent for any future president), but I would like to get answers and I don’t know if impeachment PROCEEDINGS could accomplish that. At this stage, we the people need info and if that is the only way to get it, let the impeachment hearings begin.

    Boner and his gooper cohorts can storm out all they want. I want info!

  • but msjoanne, the point is that even to get an impeachment inquiry begun in the judiciary committee required votes that i don’t see any evidence of, although perhaps the sheer stand-up-to-the-bum drama of it would have made a difference.

    i’m not disagreeing with you that we need an extensive investigation and cataloguing of the horrors of the bush years; i’m disagreeing that the votes are there in the house to get it. and i don’t see that as pelosi’s fault….

  • I understand what you’re saying, Howard, but what is her fault is that she took impeachment off the table from day one. That was a huge mistake, IMHO. That should never be off the table for it gave Bush “intel” (as it was) that he’s immune.

    I do think there is alot to fault both Pelosi and Reid for. Why are the goopers not made to actually filibuster? Why did Reid make Webb actually filibuster but not the GOP?

    I don’t understand things like that at all.

  • msjoanne, i agree that taking impeachment off the table was a mistake and i agree that reid should make them filibuster.

    i don’t think that changes a single vote is all; now we’re talking about optics, and i will add my voice to any chorus that sings the tune that reid and pelosi haven’t managed the optics of their situations very well.

    PS. wrt impeachment, i’ll also add two issues: a.) i’m not sure how you translate a failed presidency into high crimes and misdemeanors; b.) and therefore, do we really want to make it standard fare that every time the congress is of the opposition party to the white house, impeachment is reached for?

  • To Chopin@comment 31:

    I agree completely. The quote you picked was the one that stood out to me as well in these comments.

  • High crimes and misdemeanors?

    – Plame and outing a CIA operative during wartime.

    – Lying us into said wartime.

    Morally, I could list dozens more (including raping our treasury for cronies), but that’s neither here nor there. The first two are indeed high crimes and misdemeanors, no?

  • I’m glad they did it, but also do realize…the GOP got out their talking points (look at their actions, anyone REALLY think they CARE if the country is safe? It’s show…) so the blame gun is locked and loaded when anything happens now.

    You KNOW what will come, something…and then it will be 24/7 “well…WE kept you safe for 6 years, until the democrats took away our tools…and SEE what happened???”

    They may even do it themselves. Still, it was the right thing to do, just nobody is selling it with honesty. Honesty states, there ARE some things more important than safety. Like liberty, freedom from unreasonable searches, not putting power mad folks in power without oversight. It doesn’t matter that their whole premise is bullshit…that they still CAN eavsdrop (they pretend that isn’t so…their enemy is honesty, it’s what can bring them down) they have the tools, but unsupervised eavesdropping gives TOO much power (blackmail, persecution)…

    No one tells the American people, “freedom isn’t free, and it isn’t always SAFE either”…but it ought to be safe from your own government.

  • msjoanne, it would be very hard to pin the plame outing on bush himself.

    as for lying us into war, well, as i find myself saying a lot these days, i’m an old guy. during the nixon impeachment, one of the proposed articles was for nixon’s illegal incursion of US forces into Cambodia. and the judiciary committee voted it down (according to those who were there, for two reasons: that once you start making foreign policy into an arena for impeachment, this way lies madness, and second, there were too many congresspeople who had supported the incursion).

    so if they couldn’t pin that on nixon, i’m hard-pressed to see how they would pin it on bush.

  • Bush says ‘our country is more in danger of an attack’

    And just to prove it he will make sure it happens right before the September election.

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