Clinton campaign to target pledged delegates?

As campaign observers certainly know by now, Hillary Clinton’s and Barack Obama’s campaigns are, and have been, in the process of wooing superdelegates. It obviously makes sense — these party insiders will likely be in a position to ultimately choose the Democratic Party’s nominees.

But targeting pledged delegates is something else entirely. These delegates were chosen through primaries and caucuses, and voters have reasonable expectations that they will do what they were chosen to do.

The notion that the Clinton campaign might try to peel off Obama’s pledged delegates first came up as a rumor a few weeks ago. Clinton campaign spokesman Phil Singer responded to the talk with a rather unambiguous denial: “We have not, are not and will not pursue the pledged delegates of Barack Obama. It’s now time for the Obama campaign to be clear about their intentions.” (It wasn’t entirely clear why the Obama campaign’s intentions needed to be clarified, but officials said they, too, would not pursue Clinton’s pledged delegates.)

So, everyone’s in agreement? Nothing to see here? No such luck.

A few days ago, Ben Smith reported that during a conference call with reporters, top Clinton aide Harold Ickes noted that pledged delegates aren’t formally bound to vote for the candidate they’re elected to support. “That binding rule was knocked out in 1980,” he said. Ickes didn’t actually say the Clinton campaign would start pursuing pledged delegates, but the fact that he would highlight the rule raised eyebrows.

Hillary Clinton personally sparked new speculation about this in an interview with Newsweek. Asked how she could still win the nomination given Obama’s delegate lead, Clinton said:

“[The math] doesn’t look bleak at all. I have a very close race with Senator Obama. There are elected delegates, caucus delegates and superdelegates, all for different reasons, and they’re all equal in their ability to cast their vote for whomever they choose. Even elected and caucus delegates are not required to stay with whomever they are pledged to.”

Those last 16 words have stirred quite a bit of controversy in Democratic circles over the last 24 hours.

Putting aside the question of whether this contradicts assurances the campaign made a couple of weeks ago, Clinton’s comments to Newsweek have renewed speculation that her campaign will, in fact, try to get delegates who were elected to support Obama. Indeed, why else would Clinton and Ickes, over the span of a couple of days, emphasize party rules that point to some flexibility on this?

It’s worth noting, of course, before Obama supporters completely freak out, that this would be hardball, but it’s not literally cheating. Ickes and Clinton are right — pledged delegates are not, in fact, required to stick with their candidate at the convention. The point, though, is that it feeds the perception of “stealing” votes — voters participated in primaries and caucuses, chose delegates to represent their preference, and now one campaign might try to undo the primary and caucus results by targeting pledged delegates.

If this is the strategy, Clinton is, in effect, saying she wants the delegates from the states she won and the delegates from the states she lost. If you’re a Clinton backer, you might like this fighting spirit. If not, it seems like an underhanded way of sowing division and undermining the party.

Isaac Chotiner responded:

The strategy here seems completely mystifying. It’s simply impossible to imagine that Clinton will get elected delegates to switch to her (the outcry would be enormous, obviously), and yet her campaign is intent on pushing the idea (Harold Ickes said something similar last week). All this ensures is that the media will run a lot stories about a dirty campaign intent on stealing the election. Given that the Clintonites are going to need some good will in July (if in fact they want to garner a delegate majority through superdelegates), the logic of this ploy eludes me.

It’s possible, if not likely, that Clinton’s off-hand remark to Newsweek was not intended to be a hint about a grand campaign strategy. For that matter, it’s equally possible that the Clinton campaign is simply trying to create more uncertainty about the process (in other words, “Note to superdelegates: don’t commit now; anything can still happen”) and won’t follow through.

I guess we’ll find out soon enough.

Could they be speaking about the delegates that John Edwards won?

Exactly how would they pry pledged delegates away from Obama to vote for them at the convention? What would motivate an Obama supporter to do this? I’m with Chotiner on this one, “the logic of this ploy (if there is a ploy) eludes me.”

By the way, why do you think Richardson and Edwards have not made public endorsements? What do you think they’re waiting for? And has Biden endorsed anyone?

  • There was some reporting that, especially in caucuses, Obama supporters would turn out to vote, but leave before the actual state (or county/regional) delegates (who will choose the national delegates) were chosen. While I will not impugn the integrity of those who did stay to be delegates, the main check in the system is that supporters chose those who would be delegates to the next level up. If this is in fact not the case, some might wish to take advantage of the fact.

    This potential being as it may, I would say that all this talk is making it more and more likely that the Supers (and, indeed pledged Clinton delegates) will want to put Hon. Sen. Clinton out of her misery.

  • Psst, I hear Clinton is planning on prosecuting the eight year old girl who did the 3AM commercial and now denounces the ad. Pass it on.

    Now of course, the above rumor is ridiculous. An eight year old can’t be bound by a contract. In fact I just made the rumor up, so don’t really pass it on. But the point is it would gain traction because it’s consistent with the twisted logic Clinton’s campaign has consistently used – the superdelegate takeaway; the pledged delegate theft; the only-blue-states-and-primaries-count logic; the Florida/Michigan strategy; disclosure-doesn’t-matter-but-she’s-fully-vetted argument; Rezko matters, but not Whitewater rumors; Republican framing; we-need-to-fight-dirty-to-win argument, and the old-people-and-working-people-can’t-get-to-caucuses nonsense.

    So when does Clinton officially surrender her credibility?

  • Clinton is sowing the seeds of division in a party that has to go some to call itself a party in the first place. There will be a lot of Democrats who stay home this November, and a lot more who will vote for McCain if she keeps this up. She may win the nomination, but she will definitely lose the election. She may be a fighter, but does anyone remember the billboard from Dr. Strangelove? Fighting for peace.

  • This is nonsense, Clinton is not going to try to get pledged delegates to switch. Please stop spreading lies.

    Pledged delegates are only bound to their vote for the first round of voting, and can switch their vote afterwards. If neither candidate has 2,024 delegates then some bargaining will be had, and yes, some delegates will have to switch sides, this is how it works.

  • Greg (6): There are only 4047 delegates, and two candidates. Why do you think anyone will have to “switch sides”?

  • Imagine these people went into this expecting just a ticket to the convention. Now, ten delegates that switch can change who is going to be the next president. All of a sudden they can become rich …

  • I don’t think anyone is going to switch sides, which is why I started my post with “This is nonsense”, to which I now add “this doesn’t make any sense” and would like to say “it is illogical, unreasonable, and even a bit silly”

    BECAUSE IT ISN”T GOING TO HAPPEN

    This is a sensationalist story, and if this were a newspaper it would be the ENQUIRER.

  • Off topic, and hopefully Steve will have a post on this today, but my outrage has gone beyond anything I have felt before.

    Water Makes US Troops in Iraq Sick

    WASHINGTON – Dozens of U.S. troops in Iraq fell sick at bases using “unmonitored and potentially unsafe” water supplied by the military and a contractor once owned by Vice President Dick Cheney’s former company, the Pentagon’s internal watchdog says.

    A report obtained by The Associated Press said soldiers experienced skin abscesses, cellulitis, skin infections, diarrhea and other illnesses after using discolored, smelly water for personal hygiene and laundry at five U.S. military sites in Iraq.

    Beyond the lack of proper equipment and armament, now they can’t even rely on the basic necessities of life.

    Unconscionable!!

  • I’ve always wanted to see one of massive poltical shifts where a party undergoes a massive tranformation or is destroyed and replaced by new parties, seems to me Clinton may be sowing the seeds of that event

  • Ref #7 as it stands right now neither candidate can get to 2024 without the superdelegates. So therefore there will be all kinds of wheeling and dealing at the convention.

    Also caucus delegates are not pledged yet even though they a added to the total count. Most caucus delegates won’t be determined until after June.

  • It’s possible, if not likely, that Clinton’s off-hand remark to Newsweek was not intended to be a hint about a grand campaign strategy.

    I think this is probably right. Clinton’s in “throw everything against the wall to see what sticks” mode, as she was during the last week which she “won.” At the moment following a safe, reasoned strategy will end in failure, so they may as well try something, anything, to shake things up.

    This is almost certainly Hillary Clinton’s only shot at the Presidency. There’s no reason to hold back. After spending months as the prohibitive favorite, she feels entitled to do what she must to win.

  • Just another day in the life of a political suicide bomber. Give her what she demands, or she will blow up herself and the party.

    I wish a group of superdelegates would sit her down and explain that unless she starts acting like a real Democrat instead of a power-mad psychopath, they will throw their votes to Obama and put her away publicly.

  • Greg, talk with Harold Ickes about it:

    A few days ago, Ben Smith reported that during a conference call with reporters, top Clinton aide Harold Ickes noted that pledged delegates aren’t formally bound to vote for the candidate they’re elected to support. “That binding rule was knocked out in 1980,” he said. Ickes didn’t actually say the Clinton campaign would start pursuing pledged delegates, but the fact that he would highlight the rule raised eyebrows.

  • Greg is right. This is a nonsense story and hqas been one since it surfaced a few weeks ago. Delegates who were elected to support a given candidate are highly unlikely to switch before the convention, if their candidate is still in the race. However, delegates who were pledged to a candidate who has dropped out, obviously are going to switch. Also if we get to the convention and no one has enough delegates to win, clearly there is going to be a lot of maneuvering to get delegates to switch, otherwise no cnadidate could ever get the needed number. Is anyone seriously suggesting that Obama’s campaign is not going to be going after every last delegate if this race is still open at the convention? Both campaigns clearly will be doing that. To suggest nefarious tactics to the Clinton campaign for stating the obvious is ridiculous.

    On a related note, I have yet to hear anyone explain whether the magic number of 2024 delegates reflects a majority of convention delegates where the total includes Florida and Michigan delegates or not. If those two state’s delegates are not seated, but the magic number is not adjusted to reflect the smaller total delegates at the convention, no wonder it is looking mathematically impossible to achieve the magic number. Either the magic number has to be adjusted downward, or some fair way of seating delegates from Michigan and Florida has to be found.

  • I think the Clinton’s are being unimaginative. Pledged delegates to a party convention? That’s nothing!

    No, they should show some real cojones and promise to go after McCain’s Electoral College Delegates, should they win the nomination, in the fall. That, my friends, is democracy in action!

    /sarcasm

  • Greg, pledged delegates aren’t bound to anything. Not even in the first round. Read the rules.

    Having failed to win most of the delegates, she then tried to win the popular vote and enough superdelegates. After failing that too, this is the latest scheme from Clinton.
    She just doesn’t know when to stop.

  • Yup pledged delegates are merely pledged in all good conscience to reflect the sentiments of those who elected them. Basically they are on their honor to vote as the people voted, but nothing is really stopping them from changing that, same as nothing really stops a person from lying under oath, except their own conscience, out of thousands a few can probably be peeled off by bribes and promises

  • True, the rules may allow it, but, if she does do this, it would more than split the Democratic Party. This would be actively stealing the nomination.

    We’ve (theoretically, at least) come a long way from the days in which the party insiders met in smoky rooms and decided the nomination. And, sure, when they changed rules, they may have put in back-doors for themselves to still muck with the system, but I cannot even fathom the righteous outrage which would follow even the attempt at this.

  • Greg, Ickes says you’re wrong, “Ickes noted that pledged delegates aren’t formally bound to vote for the candidate they’re elected to support”. Hillary Clinton says you’re wrong, “Even elected and caucus delegates are not required to stay with whomever they are pledged to”. If it’s nonsense, why is her campaign, including the candidate herself, making a pointed effort to point out what the rules are? It is either a threat that she hopes will sway superdelegates or a preview of their actual strategy if necessary. There is no other interpretation that makes sense, and it can’t be nonsense when it is coming from the candidate and one of her chief aides.

  • There’s no reason Clinton should stop; nothing has been decided yet.

    The impasse now faced by the Democratic Party is a result of the lack of representation of the “democratic wing of the Democratic Party” this time around. There are two centrist candidates who, as someone pointed out in an earlier post, agree on 95% of their policies, running against one another. The only difference is in the rhetoric, not the substance. Those on the left must feel disenfranchised; I know I do.

  • She can manipulate the system all she wants. My vote will never switch to Hillary. The pledged delegates, the superdelegates are just bureaucratic entities that don’t mean a thing in the General Election.

  • 16.On March 10th, 2008 at 9:47 am, MW said:
    On a related note, I have yet to hear anyone explain whether the magic number of 2024 delegates reflects a majority of convention delegates where the total includes Florida and Michigan delegates or not.

    2024 is the magic # without Florida and Michigan. If both are included that adds 366 additional delegates, which would raise the magic victory # to 2207.

  • Clintonistas, please replace Clinton as the subject with ‘some Republican’ in any story that is in any way negative about your beloved Queen, and see if you can still rationalize and square away your cognitive dissonance.

    Spare us the cries of bias; the internet isn’t forcing you to read or comment, and, as the old adage goes, better to keep your mouth shut and be thought a fool than to open it and remove all doubt.

  • MW (16)

    2024 is only the magic number if FLA and MI are not included. The number goes up to about 2200 if they are. Also FL and MI supers are currently not eligible to vote.

  • True, the rules may allow it, but, if she does do this, it would more than split the Democratic Party. This would be actively stealing the nomination. -Castor Troy

    Absolute truth. The Democratic party would never recover from such a coup, and would again be snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. This should be the most winnable election in the history of the United States for the Democrats, and yet we are here because Clinton won’t realize what everyone else with even half a brain already has: she’s lost.

    Desperation looks terrible on her.

  • It’s looking more and more likely that she’s adopting the Burn Down the House Strategy.

    She can’t catch up on the elected delegates and the superdelegate aren’t backing her, yet. So she’s and her people will have to go the convention and take the nomination away from the leader to hand it to the loser.

    They’ll be beating down the democratic party hoping to be the last wo/man standing…….. and you bet all hell will break loose.

    So is she gonna burn down the house to keep Obama from getting the keys? Looking more like it every day.

  • Whatever happened to free speech? -Partial

    I’m sorry, did a government entity try to stifle Senator Clinton’s speech? No?

    Then the First Amendment has nothing to do with it.

  • Eh. She’s more like the GOP every day. The GOP puts forth some outrageous position and dares the Democrats to do something about it. Like the GOP, she knows the Dems are unable to handle such a frontal assault. Or she hopes so.

    Though as all that is needed is passive-aggressive behavior (just don’t do anything but what you were going to do anyway – perfect for the wimpy Dems) rather than an active fight I think they’ve miscalculated.

  • “Whatever happened to free speech?” This post referred to Doubtful’s post above telling anyone not supporting his candidate to keep his mouth shut.

    More unnecessary defensiveness. You really need to get a grip.

  • More unnecessary defensiveness. You really need to get a grip. -Partial

    Haha. Sorry, I thought you were actually commenting about the article, my bad.

    Well, I’m not a government entity, so I can tell people to shut the hell up all day long if I want. Of course, they can ignore me all day long as well. Makes no difference to me.

    But, I never did tell people to shut up, did I? All I did was point out the fact that when many Clinton supporters comment, they look like desperate fools with no sense of consistency. Many of them would be enraged by similar behavior from Republicans, but it’s okay if it’s Clinton.

    If you want to discuss what truly is unnecessary, though, it’s simple: accusing me of violating your First Amendment rights. It’s unnecessary because it shows a complete lack of understanding concerning the First Amendment.

    Exactly what I expect from a Clinton supporter masquerading as an ‘impartial’ observer.

  • I merely asked why free speech does not apply to internet blogs. I didn’t accuse anyone of anything. And I’m not a Clinton supporter as my entry above indicates. I just have a hard time understanding blind, intemperate,unreasoned support for any candidate. That’s all.

  • One word: OHIO.

    Ohio’s governor Ted Strickland, an ardent (read: rabid) Clinton supported, has promised repeatedly to “do whatever it takes” to get Clinton the nomination. There’s a lot of things I like about him, but he’s what you might refer to as a “my-tent” Democrat—you either see things his way, or you’re “not a good Party member….”

  • Unless something really strange happens, then the remaining contests will, on average, result in near 50/50 splits with Obama edging out Clinton in a slightly larger number of states. Pennsylvania will not go more than 60/40 in favor of Clinton and I suspect it will be more like 55/45 or even 52/48.

    This means that if both candidates are still running at the time of the convention, then Obama will have roughly the same lead in pledged delegates he has now (slightly more than 100). It will be difficult (though certainly not impossible) for the supers to ignore this reality. So, the only way Clinton takes the nomination is to completely destroy Obama and damage her own party in the process. Unfortunately, it is looking like she is willing to do this to get the nomination.

    My sincere hope at this point is that Obama continues to increase his pledged delegate lead with each new contest and manages to pull out a narrow victory in Pennsylvania. I know the demographics are not ideal for him in Pennsylvania, but this is still my hope. If he were to eek out a narrow victory in Pennsylvania it would seal the deal.

    *sigh* In spite of Clinton’s recent actions, IF she somehow manages to take the nomination, I would still vote for her for one simple reason: The Supreme Court. Any Dem or Indie who is thinking they won’t vote or vote for McCain if she gets the nomination, should think again. No matter how ugly this nomination gets, the simple fact that probably TWO justices will be selected by the next president should trump your anger. Some things are more important.

  • Impartial– Free Speech does not mean “all speech”. After all, with Freedom comes responsibility. People living in a dictatorial society don’t need to worry about responsibility– all important decisions are made by the government for them.

    Thus, when you think about Free Speech, you should think about the personal responsibility which comes with it!

    Just for example, there is no inherent right to defame or denigrate other people unjustly. And, unfortunately, that happens a lot in internet discourse.

    Frankly, in the context of this discussion, where we have Hilary Clinton on record as saying, essentially, that Pledged Delegates are fair game, it is intemperate and unreasoned for people to be claiming that that is not the case.

    Lies are definitely not protected speech.

  • It’s worth noting, of course, before Obama supporters completely freak out, that this would be hardball, but it’s not literally cheating.

    Whether it’s “literally cheating” is irrelevant. Hillary couldn’t care less about the voters, the party or the country…it’s all about her.

    If she were to get the nod, there’s no fucking way that I could possibly cast my ballot for somebody who is so obviously dishonest, selfish and greedy in November…Democrat or not.

  • You people are masters at reading out of context. The Clinton campaign did not state that getting pledged delegates to switch on the first ballot would be its strategy. It stated that the “mathematically impossible for Hillary to win” argument is wrong because, for starters, the pledged delegates can switch if they want to. It is a simple statement of fact that is being distorted into a “throw everything against the wall” strategy. Clinton’s people have said explicitly that they are not wooing pledged delegates. When you deliberately misread, that is negative and dirty campaigning, in my opinion.

  • If she were to get the nod, there’s no fucking way that I could possibly cast my ballot for somebody who is so obviously dishonest, selfish and greedy in November…

    Don’t forget egotistical and volatile.

  • Chris,

    Volatile is right. Do we really want a nutcase like Hillary answering the red phone at 3:00 AM? I don’t.

  • Clinton’s people have said explicitly that they are not wooing pledged delegates. -Mary

    Mary is right. They said they aren’t wooing them, the same way they weren’t campaigning in Florida just before the primary. Those were fund raising events.

    And there have been several in Florida since the primary…right?

  • independent thinker @ 37:

    No matter how ugly this nomination gets, the simple fact that probably TWO justices will be selected by the next president should trump your anger. Some things are more important.

    Perhaps someone should try this logic on Mrs. Clinton and the Weaselly Terry MaAuliffe Wing of the Democratic Party instead. The Democratic Party doesn’t own my vote.

    Oh, while you’re at it — tell them they can’t win the general election anyway, because they’re pissing off everyone but the arch-loyalists, the sycophantic DLC hacks, and the terminally deluded. (Funny, that’s a mirror image of the core Bush The Lesser voting block, innit?)

  • Nice one Mary. So when all these “negative and dirty” conclusions that everyone is jumping to here turn out to be what the Clinton campaign actually does, not even waiting until the first ballot to start wooing away Obama delegates, are you going to admit you were wrong here, or just move on to a new talking point?

  • Shalimar (@24) said:

    2024 is the magic # without Florida and Michigan. If both are included that adds 366 additional delegates, which would raise the magic victory # to 2207.

    STOP THE INSANITY!!

    Where you do get your information? Wherever it is, don’t get it from there ANY MORE.

    4048 is the total number of delegates to the convention, including those miscreant FL and MI delegates and superdelegates. Not seating the 366 just makes it harder to get to 2024.5 (and yes, you can have half a delegate…territories only count for half of what their population entitles them to).

    To repeat, the number of delegates needed is 2024.5 (often erroneously reported as 2025 by every major media outlet). It is not 2207 or any other silly number you can make up.

    Don’t believe me? Then Wikipedia is your friend.

  • Even if Clinton plans to target pledged delegates, it would be a pointless exercise. There are likely to be some Clinton pledged delegates that wouldn’t mind jumping ship to support Obama, so unless the projected tally going into the convention is obscenely close…say within 10 delegates of each other…it will be impossible for her to gain ground with this strategy.

  • independent thinker @ 38

    Pennsylvania will not go more than 60/40 in favor of Clinton and I suspect it will be more like 55/45 or even 52/48.

    Really? My family comes from PA, nobody there wants his inexperienced speech giving ass to be President.. I was just there last week.

    When people make the assumption that Obama will win in Mississippi, it is because the population naturally gives him the advantage (70% of registered democrats are black), and the fact that Clinton will win Pennsylvania BIG is not a guess, it is based on demographics.

  • Fun fact: If things go as projected…Obama would need only 35 percent of the superdelegates to clinch the nomination and Hillary would need 65 percent.

    Of course, since Obama will have the most pledged delegates (and likely the most popular votes), he won’t have any difficulty securing 35 percent of the supers (remember that when you add them up, most are from states and districts that he won).

    As others have said. It’s over. Obama is our Democratic nominee.

  • IF she somehow manages to take the nomination, I would still vote for her for one simple reason: The Supreme Court.

    You have got to be kidding. As if Hillary would dare nominate anyone even one step to the left of the Republican-lite DLC. An unlikely Clinton victory in November would be a narrow, selfish, Pyrrhic victory with no mandate and no coattails. She’d probably even swing Congress back to the GOP. She’d fear a Republican filibuster if she nominated a liberal, and would cave to the pressure rather than see the Senate Bork a lefty.

    Any Clinton appointee would be a right-leaning centrist at best. And they side with the conservatives more often than not. So your argument doesn’t sway me at all. If she uses underhanded tactics to wrest the nomination away from the primary voters’ choice, she will not receive my support, or my vote.

    Plus ça change, plus c’est la même chose…

  • Plus ça change, plus c’est la même chose…

    Translation: The more things change, the more they stay the same.

  • All this ensures is that the media will run a lot stories about a dirty campaign intent on stealing the election.

    I wouldn’t hold your breath. Hillary has scared them into giving her a free ride. Any questioning of her tactics from here on out is “pro-Obama bias.” Why else do you think the media swallows the “experience” argument without pausing one second to ask exactly what kind of “experience” Hillary actually has, aside from going to the Balkans with Sinbad?

  • Really? My family comes from PA, nobody there wants his inexperienced speech giving ass to be President. -Greg

    What do you hope to accomplish exhibiting this level of ignorance and immaturity?

  • Basically, this continues the sad spectacle of a campaign that refuses to admit it was outfought and has lost. They flail and flail, bring up anything and everything they can (“throw it on the wall and see what sticks”) and in the process they destroy their moral authority and only make more certain their ultimate defeat.

    The unfortunate thing is that the two self-involved fuckwits running the campaign can’t admit that people have ddecided long ago they aren’t Mr. and Mrs. Wonderful, and so they will take down everything with them rather than admit their failure.

    This is all classic insurgent warfare, where the Governing Authority falls. The unfortunate thing is, if they do this then we have to go clear to the bottom to “bottom out” and we just don’t have the time left to spend on the “shiny object” of these two narcissists, if we are go do something about saving the planet in time to actually have a chance of doing it. Four more years of Bush in the White House literally means the end of the world as we know it. That is not hyperbole.

    And for those who say theywould vote for her for the Supreme Court – if you want to look at the really improtant Supreme Court decisions, the ones that hardly ever get news other than on the business pages – the decisions to protect corporations from liability as a most recent example – the nominee of Bill Clinton that everyone thought was a “liberal” (Breyer) has been in the forefront of doing this. So much for the Clintons having any cliam to be “liberals” or “progressives”. Just consider the effect on your life of deciding Guantanamo is illegal, or deciding that Monssanto can’t be held liable for the results of their frankenstein food. Let’s remember who voted for “Bankruptcy Reform” as well as the AUMF.

  • 46.Addison said:
    STOP THE INSANITY!!
    Where you do get your information? Wherever it is, don’t get it from there ANY MORE.
    4048 is the total number of delegates to the convention, including those miscreant FL and MI delegates and superdelegates. Not seating the 366 just makes it harder to get to 2024.5 (and yes, you can have half a delegate…territories only count for half of what their population entitles them to).
    To repeat, the number of delegates needed is 2024.5 (often erroneously reported as 2025 by every major media outlet). It is not 2207 or any other silly number you can make up.
    Don’t believe me? Then Wikipedia is your friend.

    Read your Wikipedia link again and add up all the totals, noting that there are zeros for Michigan and Florida. Your link actually supports my math. Thanks for that, I appreciate the confirmation (though the # for Michigan + Florida there is 367 rather than 366 so someone is one off on that, not sure who).

  • “What do you hope to accomplish exhibiting this level of ignorance and immaturity?”
    Possibly the same thing you failed to do with your exhibitions?

    And , just by the way, disagreeing with you does not cause one to lose his free speech rights.

  • And , just by the way, disagreeing with you does not cause one to lose his free speech rights. -Partial

    Are you still misunderstanding the First Amendment. Seriously, c’mon now.

    I cannot violate anyone’s Free Speech because I AM NOT THE GOVERNMENT.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_speech

    Really, read it. You look silly.

  • She’ll do anything to get that precious Democratic nomination. I agree she’s being unimaginative. Why not indulge in vote fraud, ala the Republicans back in 2000? Oh, those days of the hanging chads!

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