Misidentifying the ‘patriotism gap’

The night of the Iowa caucuses, during Barack Obama’s speech, the assembled crowd began shouting, “USA! USA!” TNR’s Frank Foer noted, “I don’t think I’ve ever heard a crowd of Democratic primary voters erupt in a spontaneous display like this…. Liberals who credibly bathe themselves in patriotism greatly increase their chances — and, in this case, prepare themselves well for running against John McCain.”

I’ve noticed that much of Obama’s message touches on explicitly patriotic themes, and has for several years. But today, Jonah Goldberg explains that it’s unsatisfactory, because Obama doesn’t specifically use the word “patriotism” enough.

“Unity is the great need of the hour. … Not because it sounds pleasant or because it makes us feel good, but because it’s the only way we can overcome the essential deficit that exists in this country. I’m not talking about a budget deficit. … I’m talking about a moral deficit. I’m talking about an empathy deficit. I’m taking about an inability to recognize ourselves in one another; to understand that we are our brother’s keeper; we are our sister’s keeper; that, in the words of Dr. King, we are all tied together in a single garment of destiny.”

So quoth Barack Obama in Atlanta on Jan. 20, but it might as well have been last week, so central is unity to his presidential campaign…. What is fascinating here is not the sentiment, but what’s missing from it. The P-word.

To invoke patriotism seriously is to brand yourself either an old fogy or a right-wing bully. If Obama spoke about patriotism with the sort of passion he expends on unity, many would take him for some sort of demagogue.

It’s possible I’m insufficiently patriotic to fully understand the argument — I think I love my country, but I’m not sure if I meet the right’s standards. Goldberg seems to be arguing that the left’s problem isn’t that it’s unpatriotic, but rather, that we don’t talk about patriotism enough. Presumably, if the left used the “P-word” more often, conservatives would have more confidence in our loyalties.

Or something.

In America, patriotism — as opposed to, say, nationalism — is a love for a creed, a dedication to what is best about the “American way.” Nationalism, a romantic sensibility, says “my country is always right.” Patriots hope that their nation will make the right choice.

If you read the speeches of leading Democrats before the Vietnam War, it’s amazing how comfortable they were with patriotic rhetoric. “Ask not what your country can do for you — ask what you can do for your country,” stands foursquare against so much of our entitlement culture.

Vietnam, of course, changed that.

Goldberg added that, in this post-Vietnam era, the left “amputated itself from full-throated patriotic sentiment.” He added, “One cannot credibly talk of love of country while simultaneously dodging the word and concept of patriotism…. [O]ne cannot sufficiently love one’s country if you are afraid to say so out loud.”

It’s rather bewildering. The column isn’t about patriotism, or honoring the nation’s highest ideals, or acting in such a way as to protect the nation’s values, traditions, and institutions; it’s about rhetoric.

In this sense, a politico can give a rah-rah speech, and wrap himself in the flag, while opposing American civil liberties, stifling dissent, and supporting policies like torture and the elimination of habeas corpus. But so long as this person uses the “P-word” and wears the stars and stripes are on his lapel, there’s a “patriotism gap.”

It’s good to know. Patriotic beliefs are nice, but talking about patriotic beliefs is vital.

In America, patriotism — as opposed to, say, nationalism — is a love for a creed, a dedication to what is best about the “American way.” Nationalism, a romantic sensibility, says “my country is always right.” Patriots hope that their nation will make the right choice.

Yep. Too bad he and his Republican friends blurred the distinction for political purposes and soiled the once perfectly good P-word. I’d call myself a patriot, but I’d be afraid someone would assume I’m like Goldberg and his ilk.

  • Or, apparently, you have no patriotic beliefs (or moral values) unless you bloviate about them endlessly. To these people, what you say trumps what you do, and they subscribe to the “do say I say, not as I do” school of hypocrisy.

  • Yes, he misdiagnoses the right, by claiming that the word “patriotism” allows people to do whatever they want, including subverting the Constitution.

    But he also misdiagnoses the left. Sure, there were some unreasonable America-haters out there somewhere, on some college campuses. But the idea that they ever had much influence in the Democratic Party is only true in the fantasies of GOP partisans. They have to pretend that opposing counterproductive wars is the same thing as acting unpatriotically.

  • The deficit on display with Goldberg is an intellectual deficit. What a fool. Jonah’s basically saying the Democrats aren’t demagoguing the issue sufficiently for his taste. The Democrats also aren’t talking up Islamofascism enough for him either. So what.

  • Right-wing assholes like Jonah are the least patriotic people around. Sure they talk up their own patriotism all the time, just like they talk up their own religiosity all the time, but when it comes down to it, they put party before everything else including country and are adamantly opposed to paying any share of the taxes necessary to make this country great. If you aren’t willing to support the collective enterprise known as American government then you aren’t really patriotic. Period.

  • I have one question: Why does Carpetbagger quote Jonah Goldberg more frequently than Seaberry? If there is a credential gap, I’m missing it.

  • To paraphrase He Who Shall Remain Unnamed, the original American patriots were those individuals brave enough to resist with force the oppressive state power wielded by King George.

    I don’t see Obama resisting much of the oppressive state power wielded today by the modern day King George.

    NeoCon Bitch-Boy Goldberg would do better to write about anti-patriotism.

  • To Quote Jello Biafra from the Dead Kennedys
    Who’s the real patriot? The Archie Bunker type waving flags
    Or some one fights for some real change.

  • Screw you, Goldberg. I am patriotic. But when your country is hijacked by criminals, it’s hard to be “patriotic” without giving assent to the criminals.

    That’s why I want to take people like Goldberg and Kristol and Wlofowitz and all their creepy friends, and put their mugs on display in a museum of stupidity. Show them all off, with full descriptions of their retarded opinions and the disastrous results. So far we have blogs doing this, and that helps, but it’s not enough. I’m thinking we need a cable channel or something.

    What’s ironic is that Goldberg is only polluting the airwaves because people like me believe in our country’s principles so much (which is the definition of being patriotic, as opposed to wearing a flag pin made in China). He goes around telling me I am a fascist, and I know that if he had his way we’d be in a dictatorship, with people like me under unlimited surveilance and/or in a gulag. The man isn’t worth the spit it would take to cover him, but as a good “liberal fascist” I will fight for his right to spew his garbage.

    Your flag decal won’t get you into heaven, Goldberg. Never has, never will.

  • Forgot one thing: Isn’t it ironic how the doughy pantload wants to lecture us on how we no longer blindly “ask what we can do for our country”, as he cheers on a war he has no intention of ever fighting in?

    He’s military age, and reasonably sound of body, he thinks the Iraq war is SO important to win, but he sits in his easy chair lecturing us about patriotism.

  • It’s a nonsensical argument, designed as a distraction. Reminds me of the oldie-but-“goodie” racial joke: What do you call a balck doctor/lawyer/President? “N****r.” Get it? No matter what you achieve, you’re never good enough, you can never be “one of us.” High-larious.

    Well, that’s how necons see anyone but neocons. You’re never given the credit you’re due, you’re never afforded the respect you’ve earned. Because they can always find SOME fault with what you’ve accomplished, everything you do is therefore wrong. After all, if you knew what you were talking about, you’d be a good neocon like them.

    Of course, if you’re a Republican, the inverse is true. You have to be caught diddling young male Senate pages before they even think of punishing you, and even then, they give you as much benefit of the doubt and plausible deniabiility as they can afford to give you.

    Give it no credence, for it deserves none.

  • Someone once said something about fascism wrapped in a flag…oh well, it’s not important.

  • Jonah is writing something down and being paid for it, by the word. He has no idea what he’s talking about but he has to write something. He reminds me of an old saying; “a wise man speaks because he has something to say, a fool because he has to say something”.

  • Oh no. Obama just lost all of those Goldblob readers who were going to vote for the senator from Illiniois, but thanks to the keen wit of the Doughy Hero they now know he doesn’t use the P-word enough!

    Well, I guess Obama should give up now that he’s lost the vast majority of his supporters.

  • Trouble is the thugs define patriotism as warmongering and freemarketeering. Both of which make extreme profits primarily for their friends, with no long term benefit to the country. Once he gets the nomination, Obama should talk patriotism in a larger, more inclusive, more responsible paradigm. Improving healthcare, infrastructure, energy alternatives, educational opportunities, incentives for business to insource, on a personal and national level, are patriotic things that DO pay long term dividends

  • @Michael7843853 #18

    I noticed that “restoring our Constitutional Republic” didn’t make the cut. Oh well, can’t have everything I guess.

  • It probably is true that conservatives would think libwrals were more patriotic if we used the word “patriotism” more often.

    The defining characteristic of conservatives isn’t any principle or value–it’s their concrete operations thinking. Conservatives have an impaired ability to understand abstractions, For them the moral person is the one who cliams to be morall–actions do have much to do with it. Patriotism is quite literally to conservatives a matter of flags and words. Supporting troops means supporting a war with a yellow ribbon. That’s why conservatives care more about property values than civil values. Property is concrete and therefpore com-rehensible. it’s beyond their mental abilities to understand an abstraction like freedom of speech or religion..

  • It’s possible I’m insufficiently patriotic to fully understand the argument — I think I love my country, but I’m not sure if I meet the right’s standards. Goldberg seems to be arguing that the left’s problem isn’t that it’s unpatriotic, but rather, that we don’t talk about patriotism enough. Presumably, if the left used the “P-word” more often, conservatives would have more confidence in our loyalties.

    Most of us, somewhere along the line, learned (in my case, the hard way) that there is a difference between loving one’s country and slavish loyalty to a government. Quite often, patriotism (love of one’s country) requires that one be subversive of the government.

  • What a freaking a$$ clown. I can’t believe this retard gets paid for writing these incomprehensible essays.

  • Everyone should contact the LA Times (and any other Goldberg venue) and tell them that we won’t read anything he writes until he enlists.
    End of story, let’s stop giving this unpatriotic wuss any attention.

    And what Racer X said.

  • Goldberg has the intellectual consistency of a jellyfish. “Patriots hope that their nation will make the right choice.” No, followers and the intellectually lazy do that; patriots work to make sure their nation makes the right choices. Just prior, he tries to distinguish patriotism and nationalism, but then goes on to blur the two. I never lost my patriotism during the VIetnam years, but I did see the evils of nationalism and that I did abandon.

  • To fit Goldberg’s definition of “patriotism,” Steve, you have to want to bomb someone. Anyone. But bombing brown people would be best.

  • It’s worth noting that the exact same attitude carries over into religion as well as politics.

    There are Christians who read the Bible to find out what they ought to do in life, and others who feel confident that they are good Christians because they invoke Jesus’ name in everything they say. To Goldberg, what’s fascinating about a Nelson Mandela or a Martin Luther King is “not the sentiment, but what is missing from it” – the “J-word”.

    It’s also worth noting Goldberg’s implication that patriotism should mean different things to different people. When he says that patriots hope their country will make the right choice, he means that Republicans justly have confidence in their own ability to make the right choice and Democrats ought to have confidence that Republicans will make the right choice.

  • Goldberg is right. All we from “liberals” is how bad America is. That’s all America has heard from them for 40 years. Nothing else. “Liberals” denied there was ever a threat from Communism, and now deny there’s a threat from Islamist terrorists and Islamofascist governments. We saw that with the last two Democrat Presidents; Carter in regards to Iran and Afghanistan, and Clinton with regards to Iran, Afghanistan, Somalia, Iraq, China, North Korea, and Al Qaeda.

    There’s no difference between what these two did with what’s being propagandized by both Clinton and Obama, as they continue with their panderfests they call Presidential campaigns.

  • My God, you’re right SteveIL, those godless commies really have us up against the ropes don’t they?

    Oh, wait…no, they don’t. Never really did.

    Ah, but they were a fun group to hate, weren’t they? Gee our old LaSalle ran great. THOOOOOSE WERRRRRE THAAAAA DAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYSSSSSS!

  • SteveIL,

    Why are you here? Seriously, you have your own blog, and you just complain here. This is how you want to spend your day?? It seems like a huge waste of time and energy!

  • “We saw that with the last two Democrat Presidents; Carter in regards to Iran and Afghanistan, and Clinton with regards to Iran, Afghanistan, Somalia, Iraq, China, North Korea, and Al Qaeda.”

    So did Reagan ignore the threat also when he sold weapons to Iran and supported the mujahadeen?

  • lets get in the wayback machine for SteveIll and check out what his man Bushie did about North Korea, shall we:

    Bush complained that Clinton signed a deal that was too soft.

    Bush learned that NK had nukes. Promptly bombed Iraq, who did not.

    Bush refused to do anything about NK nukes.

    NK ended monitoring and removed the IAEA seals on its facilities.

    Bush complained about NK’s actions but did nothing, refusing to talk to NK.

    Bush for no apparent reason changed his mind and talked to NK.

    Bush entered a virtually identical agreement to the Clinton one that Bush said was too soft – an agreement he could have had years earlier – and did so late enough that NK could have produced more weapons grade plutonium in the meantime.

    I sure am glad those Republicans of yours are better on these security issues than Democrats.

  • Apart from what others have said about the difference between empty but “patriotic” speeches versus actually doing something to improve the country you love…

    Am I the only one who’s amused by the bizarre spectacle of Cicero Goldberg giving lessons on rhetoric to Obama? The same Obama, who, supposedly, is nothing but an empty suit filled with hot air of inspirational… yes, rhetoric???

  • TCR Lurker, @31

    Thank you for bringing to my attention SteveL’s blog. Not that I went to read it — I get enough of a sample of his writing here — but I was intrigued by the name he chose for himself. Welcome to the hero (drum roll)….
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scipio_Africanus

    Steve L, you’re writing from Iraq, am I right?

  • “So did Reagan ignore the threat also when he sold weapons to Iran and supported the mujahadeen?” — 2Manchu @ 32

    In retrospect, I’d call that preping the battlefield.

  • “So did Reagan ignore the threat also when he sold weapons to Iran and supported the mujahadeen?” — 2Manchu @ 32

    Obama’s foreign policy advisor, Zbigniew Brzezinski, was a cheerleader for the epoch of the Mujahadeen (al Qaeda). Guess he ignored the “threat” as well.

  • Patriotism? Now, i’ve intellectually defended my nation in a good many countries. I’ve been followed through crowded markets by someone chanting “Yankee go home.” (Unbelievable that it took me so long to figure out how to make him stop; i turned and asked him – in his language – “why?”)

    Being a patriotic American is enough to make you sick to your stomach, and feel the worst kind of broken heart. If even most of your neurons fire regularly, you look at the ideals that your country was founded upon and feel a swelling of pride. But if you look at the reality of your countries actions (even disregarding historical black marks from before you were born), then pride has a tendency to turn into bitter, bitter shame.

    The last several years have made me send out telepathic apologies to all the people who’ve lectured me about how stupid, ugly, and possibly evil my country is. I told them that they were wrong, and i tried to prove it through my own actions. But it’s damned hard to be patriotic when you have to admit that they were right.

    I can’t descend to jingoistic nationalism. If Mr. Goldberg could give me just one reason – one reason that i can’t dispel with factual examples – to be patriotic, then i’ll be back on the band wagon. Until then, The Star Spangled Banner will make me weep tears of real sadness for the failed promise of a great nation.

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