Kristol should at least pretend to care about fact-checking

Clark Hoyt, the NYT’s public editor, wrote an item in January exploring the paper’s decision to hire Bill Kristol as a columnist, a move Hoyt described as a “mistake.” For his part, Kristol has spent the last two months proving Hoyt right.

In his latest gem, Kristol picks up on the conservative attack of the day — targeting Obama’s former pastor, the Rev. Jeremiah Wright — and tries to connect the senator to a specific sermon.

It certainly could be the case that Obama personally didn’t hear Wright’s 2003 sermon when he proclaimed: “The government gives them the drugs, builds bigger prisons, passes a three-strike law and then wants us to sing ‘God Bless America.’ No, no, no, not God bless America, God damn America, that’s in the Bible for killing innocent people. … God damn America for treating our citizens as less than human.”

But Ronald Kessler, a journalist who has written about Wright’s ministry, claims that Obama was in fact in the pews at Trinity last July 22. That’s when Wright blamed the “arrogance” of the “United States of White America” for much of the world’s suffering, especially the oppression of blacks.

Kristol uses this to accuse Obama of “deceit.” It’s the kind of attack that might even gain traction, if it were true, which it’s not.

Marc Ambinder explained, “The truth is that Obama did not attend church on July 22. He was on his way to campaign in Miami.” There’s even video evidence. Kristol was relying on a report from Newsmax, a right-wing online news site, not exactly revered for its journalistic standards.

Ambinder added, “Now, a simple Google search suggests that Obama spent most of the day in Miami. But a simple e-mail or telephone call to Obama’s campaign might have cleared things up.” True, but Kristol probably put this in the too-good-to-check category.

I’m curious, since when do New York Times writers rely on Newsmax as a reliable source? How is it that NYT editors thought an inaccurate hit-job on a ridiculous website should serve as the basis for falsely accusing a presidential candidate of “deceit”?

For that matter, let’s also not forget Kristol’s inaugural column, two months ago, went a long way in making his critics’ concerns look well grounded by attributing a quote to the wrong person.

Gabriel Sherman recently had a great item in TNR about Kristol’s hire, which, if the paper is not yet regretting, one assumes it will soon. Sherman’s piece included some interesting perspectives from NYT staffers.

Times staffers felt Kristol just wasn’t a very good writer. “Having a robust conservative voice on the page is a good idea. But you want quality,” one staffer said. “In general, he’s mediocre. He doesn’t seem like the best choice, and the first column was crap.”

“It was a very odd choice,” a senior staffer added. “Personally, I don’t think he’s an original voice, and that should be the standard. It’s the most coveted piece of journalistic real estate in the country.”

My initial concern about the Times hiring Kristol was rewarding failure — this guy has been wrong about every major policy issue for years. But these concerns have evolved. The more notable problem, after two months of columns, is that Kristol is just an awful columnist, a weak and sloppy writer, and a boring political observer. (And he’s been wrong about every major policy issue for years.)

How bad is it? Even William Safire agrees with the Hoyt piece that described the Kristol hire as a “mistake.”

When reached by phone, Safire told me: “I saw the excellent piece that the public editor wrote the other day, and that pretty much tells the story.”

Is there anyone outside the paper’s leadership who still thinks this was a good idea?

sadly, the times is among those who believe that “opinion” articles can’t be fact-checked, obviously not having read keynes (“people are entitled to their own opinions but not their own facts”).

  • Matt Yglesias started a countdown:

    “UPDATE: Note that as of 10:15 AM eastern time, Kristol’s column is still featured on the front page of NYTimes.com and there’s no correction. Marc Ambinder’s item above pointing out the error has circulated all throughout the internet already — surely the Times could decide to stop misleading its readers.”
    http://matthewyglesias.theatlantic.com/archives/2008/03/im_shocked_1.php

    hilzoy is keepiing it going: “And, as Matt Yglesias points out, as of 10:15, three hours after Marc Ambinder’s piece went up, they hadn’t posted a correction. It’s 10:47 now, and they still haven’t acknowledged the error.”
    http://obsidianwings.blogs.com/obsidian_wings/2008/03/facts.html

    Good for them. This “clock” seems a useful public service.

  • oh ..you’re still looking to the NYTimes for “journalism” eh .. well i hate to rain on your parade .. but the ol’ grey lady is just another common streetwalker these days .. and if kristol’s hire didn’t make that point .. we need only to remind ourselves michael gordon is still considered a “newswriter” .. just a judith miller was .. and hey .. who could forget “jason” eh ??

    it’s sad to see a venerable old news source turn into the national enquirer but that’s exactly how i view them after their stint at iraq war cheerleading ..

    great masses of WMD’s anyone ?? i read the NYTimes religiously for over 30 years and i’m done with them .. swore off two years ago .. only go there on a link now and then take whatever i read with a large grain of salt ..

    sad to say ..but .. they’ve simply lost that “credibility” thing with me … and like trust in any relationship ..once it’s been shattered .. it’s almost impossible to put humpty-dumpty back together again …

  • Agendas don’t use facts, they use excuses to explain behavior. What’s to fact check on that?

    As far as the Rev. Wright’s comments, my feeling is that if a person isn’t pissed about the state of things in this country, they aren’t a sentient being. The “any criticism of the US is treason” crowd may be in a tizzy, but hey we still have freedom of speech in this country. Bill Kristol’s printed foolishness is testament to that.

  • Maybe even the NYT editors know by now that they made a mistake. Maybe they didn’t know much about Kristol except that he was a well-known “conservative voice.” Maybe the Times also failed to fact-check during Kristol’s hiring process.

    Kristol won’t be going away anytime soon, for two reasons:

    1) Kristol probably has a contract. Who knows how long it is before the contract runs out?

    2) It’s very hard for some people, perhaps even The Times’ management, to admit a huge mistake, even when the whole world can see what a huge mistake it is. It’s just human nature.

    So CB, I think you could plan on a regular Monday morning feature for the foreseeable future: “Making Fun of Bill Kristol – and the Morons Who Hired Him – Part XXXVIII”

  • Kristol is never going to care about fact checking, because he thinks that ideology is paramount and therefore the facts only matter in the limited realm of “reality based” people. He thinks that as long as he can fling his crap out there and have some of it stick, he can create new facts. He also uses “retroactive fact checking”, for example there wasn’t any al Qaeda presence in Iraq, but now there is, so voila, “we were right”.

    What I would say about this is that Kristol’s employers ought to pretend to care about journalistic integrity. Didn’t they supposedly “learn some lessons” from the Judith Miller episode about their responsibility to avoid filling the nation’s head with crap?

    Do they think that it helps to print more BS from one of the most unapologetic architects of the disaster they “learned their lessons” from?

    As far as I can tell, they did not learn a damn thing. Their mea culpa was as bogus as Kristol’s columns. If I was a writer for the Times I would print out a copy of the alleged lessons they learned, put it on a sign, and go on strike until Kristol was flushed back down the sewer he came out of.

  • Ol’Kalamity Kristol must be good for something – maybe he is still finding out just what that something may be! -Kevo

  • I like how Kristol refers to Kessler simply as a “journalist” rather than pointing out that the piece he is citing appeared on Newsmax:

    http://www.newsmax.com/kessler/Obama_hate_America_sermon/2008/03/16/80870.html

    Had Kristol accurately attributed this scoop to “Ronald Kessler, a journalist who writes for NewsMax,” that would probably have set off alarm bells in the fact-checking process.

    It was not an accident or oversight that Kristol failed to mention where this scoop originated.

  • (”people are entitled to their own opinions but not their own facts”).

    Has anyone ever done a comprehensive comparison of the veracity of front page articles and editorials in the MSM from different times? Shouldn’t there be many dissertations, theses, and books on the subject? We all(both sides) complain about the media, but given their time constraints and predilictions, many people take the hacks at their word, especially about ‘facts’. For practical reasons, there almost has to be a presumption of truthfulness with regard to facts. How much lying is there? Does one side lie more than the other? If democracy is to have a chance, these questions have to be answered and those answers have to be presented to all.

  • Dale: Me three.

    I’m a white woman, so I’m not a qualified professional on racism. But that quote from Wright that Kristol printed, *if* Wright actually said it (we all know Kristol has little truck with veracity), actually sounds quite reasonable. You don’t have to look very far to see white racism at work, everywhere from Jena, Louisiana all the way out to Iraq.

  • People actually read stuff by Kristol? I avoid his articles the same way I avoid Fox News. Where have all the reasonable conservatives gone? Is there such a thing as a reasonable conservative? I don’t mind being challenged but seriously, is this the best they’ve got? Michael7842853, you’re probably right. The MSM is doing a disservice to the public because we’re really not seeing a variety viewpoints, we’re being subjected to more and more of the same talking points. It is possible that this is a result of the MSM being owned by a handful of corporations. When the Reagan FCC was abolishing the Fairness Doctrine which required contrasting viewpoints to be presented in a fair, balanced way to the public, conservatives used to argue and still argue that it would stifle journalism and freedom of speech.

    “American thought and American politics will be largely at the mercy of those who operate these stations, for publicity is the most powerful weapon that can be wielded in a republic. And when such a weapon is placed in the hands of one person, or a single selfish group is permitted to either tacitly or otherwise acquire ownership or dominate these broadcasting stations throughout the country, then woe be to those who dare to differ with them. It will be impossible to compete with them in reaching the ears of the American people.”
    — Rep. Luther Johnson (D.-Texas), in the debate that preceded the Radio Act of 1927 (KPFA, 1/16/03)

  • I find it interesting that the right have made such a big to-do about Jason Blair, and love bashing the old gray hag for being liberal, but they also used it to disseminate propaganda for the Iraq invasion (Judy Miller & Michael Gordon).

    In Blair’s case, he was caught making up stories becase he described a patio table as being set up, when in fact it was actually still in its original box. His biggest fabrication was that the DC police considered a Baltimore man a suspect in the DC sniper case, when in fact they didn’t. CNN, by the way, also ran with this angle about the Baltimore man.

    The moral of the story is that working the refs works. But first you have to own the refs.

  • Its sad to see how the MSM is playing a role in trying to bring Obama down with lies and deceptive reporting, well as one person said in another thread on this site, Americans will get what they deserve, four more years of Bush policy under McCain

  • UPDATE: Kristol has belatedly offered a correction:

    “In this column, I cite a report that Sen. Obama had attended services at Trinity Church on July 22, 2007. The Obama camapaign [sic] has provided information showing that Sen. Obama did not attend Trinity that day. I regret the error.”

    Now he can’t even spell ‘campaign’. Who would have pegged him as sloppy?

  • two points here:

    One re this excerpt:

    Kristol was relying on a report from Newsmax, a right-wing online news site, not exactly revered for its journalistic standards.

    You are way, way too kind to Newsmax. You show too much class. More than these people destroying our democracy deserve.

    Scoobie Davis is not as kind.

    Second, why are liberals still acting like the NYT or any of these Pravda-wanna-be outlets actually try to tell their readers the truth? How many times does one have to be played for a fool before one sees they are indeed being a fool?

    Does anyone really think like TIME doe not know Joe Klein work deceives their readers? ON PURPOSE!

    In his case, he is either a liar or TIME knows he is beyond inept so they let him go. Does anyone really think TIME does not know they are passing on lies INTENTIONALLY? Come on people how many times do you have to be kicked in the nuts?

    WAKE UP!!

    The NYT knows Kristol will LIE and deceive their readers, that is what they WANT him to do – that is what they hired him to do. Do you think they did not know what they were doing when they hired him? Seriously, are you that naive?

    For gosh sakes wake the f up. Quit being such chumps for these rats bastards.

    They lie, they know they lie, they INTEND to lie. Do you think Kristol thought he was using a real source or was he just doing his job, pushing ANOTHER lie through the wingnut cult training media? Come on, you know damn good and well Kristol lied on PURPOSE. Anyone who uses Newsmax as a source knows they are likely deceiving their readers.

    But no, we will be right back here calling him inept and acting like he didn’t do it on purpose another 500 times.

    Geez, the nation is in a death spiral and it will not get out of it until people face the fact that this is not an accident or shoddy jouranlism, the NYT intends on decieving its readers as does the other “news” outlets like TIME.

  • Americans will get what they deserve, four more years of Bush policy under McCain

    America is being deceived, they do not “deserve” this.

    They are having their minds manipulated like a cult leader conditions his followers.

  • Dale, OkieFromMuskogee, and Shade Tail, me also. Seems like he’s got a pretty good handle on reality – white racism and privilege are still a pervasive power structure, hushed-up and ignored or not.

  • Obama’s minister committed reason but when my father said the same thing, he was a Republican hero.”

    By Frank Schaeffer

    “When Senator Obama’s preacher thundered about racism and injustice Obama suffered smear-by-association. But when my late father — Religious Right leader Francis Schaeffer — denounced America and even called for the violent overthrow of the US government, he was invited to lunch with presidents Ford, Reagan and Bush, Sr.

    Every Sunday thousands of right wing white preachers (following in my father’s footsteps) rail against America’s sins from tens of thousands of pulpits. They tell us that America is complicit in the “murder of the unborn,” has become “Sodom” by coddling gays, and that our public schools are sinful places full of evolutionists and sex educators hell-bent on corrupting children. They say, as my dad often did, that we are, “under the judgment of God.” They call America evil and warn of immanent destruction. By comparison Obama’s minister’s shouted “controversial” comments were mild. All he said was that God should damn America for our racism and violence and that no one had ever used the N-word about Hillary Clinton.”

    Full article can be found here
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/frank-schaeffer/obamas-minister-committe_b_91774.html

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