Media interest in the stained blue dress begins anew

Over 11,000 pages of Hillary Clinton’s schedules from her years as First Lady were released yesterday, with hungry reporters anxious to dig in. At first blush, their anticipation is not unfounded — getting a better sense of how Clinton spent her years in the White House could bolster or undermine her claims about her experience, which are obviously underpinning her presidential campaign.

But the schedules themselves are actually kind of boring. As the NYT noted, the records have “all the emotional punch of a factory-worker’s timecard.” The materials aren’t a diary, they don’t include transcripts or gripping details, and they more or less just give a sense of where Clinton was on any given day. Hardly the stuff of front-page news (which, of course, it was).

Left with little relevant news, major outlets aimed lower and ran with irrelevant news. Consider this bizarre report from the ABC News “Investigative Unit.”

Hillary Clinton spent the night in the White House on the day her husband had oral sex with Monica Lewinsky, and may have actually been in the White House when it happened, according to records of her schedule released today by the National Archives. […]

The public schedule for Sen. Clinton on Feb. 28, 1997, the day on which Lewinsky’s infamous blue dress would become stained by the president, shows the first lady spent the morning and the night in the White House.

The Feb. 28 schedule lists her as attending four “drop-by” events, closed to the press, between 11 a.m. and 12:30 p.m. and then records her as staying in the White House overnight that fateful day…. According to the Starr report, President Clinton took Lewinsky into an Oval Office bathroom in the early evening, after recording a radio address. Forensic tests later “conclusively” showed that the blue dress she was wearing “was stained with the President’s semen,” according to the Starr report.

It wasn’t just ABC; the lead item this morning on CNN’s political blog was this AP item: “Hillary Clinton was in the White House on a half dozen days when her husband had sexual encounters with Monica Lewinsky, according to the first lady’s calendars released Wednesday.” The report goes on to list every single Lewinsky liaison, and where Hillary Clinton was at the time.

It’s as if media outlets which handled the Lewinsky affair irresponsibly a decade ago have decided to bask in their negligence all over again.

Maybe you like Hillary, maybe you don’t. Maybe you want her to be the Democratic nominee, maybe not. This has nothing to do with any of that.

The point here is that Hillary Clinton’s location during her husband’s affair is of literally no news value 10 years later. These reports are cheap, tawdry, and absurd. By what rationale is this considered important? How does an editor or producer justify humiliating a presidential candidate for no reason?

My suspicion is that shallow journalists, who enjoyed the Lewinsky scandal a little too much a decade ago, never really got over it. Sure, they moved on to other scandals and personal-interest distractions, but they never quite forgot their first love. Given half a chance, they’ll go right back to it, whether it has news value or not. And yesterday, that were given half a chance.

As CNN’s Jack Cafferty noted on the air yesterday afternoon:

“Interesting, isn’t it, all those 11,000, 12,000 pages of documents released today. What’s the first thing that the press corps satisfied their curiosity about? The fact that Hillary Clinton was in the White House the day Monica Lewinsky got the stain on her dress. That moved on one of the wires that I read about at 3:00 this afternoon. Amazing.”

Ironically, there actually may have been some news in the Clinton records, which some reporters brushed past to go straight for the Lewinsky angle. For example, the schedules show that the former First Lady’s responsibilities declined significantly after her healthcare initiative fell apart. They also indicate that Hillary Clinton played a fairly active role in helping the White House pass NAFTA, which was a topic of considerable discussion a few weeks ago. There are even some insights on her Bosnia trip, which became the focus of speculation after the ’90s-era comedian Sinbad contradicted some of her claims about what transpired.

But never mind those substantive, relevant angles; there’s a Lewisnky discussion to renew.

It’s not just the telly.

NPR, confirming rumors of its own demise, carried this story as part of its five-minute, top-of-the-hour capsule on Morning Edition today.

  • I’m curious: with all of these records (which presumbly shouldn’t have been released until the Clinton archives become available) being released to the public, when exactly will the papers from the Ray-Gun and PapaDoc Putsch years become available for scrutiny of this nature? Seeing as they were already supposed to have been released, and BabyDoc Putsch and the Republican’t junta have prevented those documents from seeing the light of day, it seems like an awful big double standard to both insist that docs from the Clinton presidency become available to the public, and to simultaneously insist that docs from earlier presedencies be kept under lock and key.

    But, hey – I’m not a Republican’t. So this whole It’s Okay If You’re A Republican’t philosophy doesn’t make a lot of sense to me…

  • Maybe you like Hillary, maybe you don’t. Maybe you want her to be the Democratic nominee, maybe not.

    Well, I don’t like her much these days and I don’t want her to be the nominee for sure.

    But this “story” is absolute bullshit. I’d say Brian Ross should be run out of the profession, but most of his colleagues are panty-sniffing gossip whores already, so he’s right at home.

    The interesting issue here is what the impact of this will be. I could see it go either way — either it turns voters off Clinton because they see what a shallow midnset the media has to her and won’t want another round of the ’90s nonsense, or else it works to her benefit as she gets to seem the victim once more (rightly this time) and milks that for sympathy. Hard to say.

  • Which is precisely why Obama’s “Perfect Union” speech will go down in history as a classic, yet be of little to no help in this year’s campaign. As a country, and herded by the press, we just aren’t mature enough to do nuance. The body politic is in a perpetual state of adolescence. We don’t want to be challenged – we just want to sit in our clique and giggle at others. Sad, really, how in many ways Bush the Lesser was pretty much what we deserve. God damn America, indeed.

    (Yeah, I’m grumpy this morning. I’ll get another cup of coffee before posting again. . . )

  • The MSM can’t get their fill, they will smear both candidates and see which one is left standing. Politics as usual.

  • the only rationale I can dream up to justify this salacious interest (and it’s not a particularly good one) is that it speaks to Clinton’s awareness & competence. This happened in the WH when she was there, & she was completely unaware, so what will happen in the WH if she’s voted BACK into the WH? what other shenanigans will occur under her nose?

    The fact that this time, she won’t be the First Lady, & she won’t be the one Secret Service is supposed to hide stuff from, seems lost on the dopeocracy we call the media.

    Oh, and…uh…go Obama.

  • So, how long will it take NewsMax to re-implicate her in the Vince Foster suicide Murder and for the MSM to oh so reluctantly re-examine the story because “it is out there”?

  • The MSM has taken on Obamas challenge to prove it can rise above divisive race baiting. NOT!
    It’s shameful how far I once beloved 4th Estate has fallen.

  • the sad truth is the CBR audience is the exception not the rule; the media is filling the insatiable appetite they’ve help create with its infotainment programming about tawdry affairs, sensational murders and celebrities with little more to offer than their latest binges/rehabs.

    don’t expect to grow orchids in the sand.

  • Opps my comment should read:
    It’s shameful how far OUR once beloved 4th Estate has fallen.
    Not
    It’s shameful how far I once beloved 4th Estate has fallen.

  • The point here is that Hillary Clinton’s location during her husband’s affair is of literally no news value 10 years later. These reports are cheap, tawdry, and absurd. By what rationale is this considered important? How does an editor or producer justify humiliating a presidential candidate for no reason?

    Ratings.

    In part, it’s our fault too for encouraging them by continuing to watch and read this crap.

    I’m considering taking the CB pledge also to avoid television news (save C-Span or News Hour) altogether. Broadcasters aren’t the only guilty parties, but avoiding them entirely is probably a good start.

  • This must have been the second preview of things to come from ABC News. On the evening news last night, there was the gem where Gibson asked Stephanopolous “What are the Republicans saying about Obama’s speech?”

    Stephanopolous immediately answers another question: “That’s right, Charlie, Republicans hope this association with the Rev. Wright will cast Obama as unelectable and the nomination will go to Hillary Clinton.”

    Maybe tonight Gibson will repeat the question and George can then answer about Hillary’s whereabouts in 1998.

  • [The schedules] also indicate that Hillary Clinton played a fairly active role in helping the White House pass NAFTA,…

    Bingo.

    In other words, she lied to the people of Ohio and Texas.

  • Joan,

    I think BINGO!!! is more fitting.

    You’re right. Hillary won Ohio on a BIG FAT lie.

  • i think it’s disgusting ..it’s smear politicas trying to masquerade as news . .and ditto for drumming ross out of the journalism corps .. this was a hack job . a pure political hit ..and shame on AP as well ..

    but i thinks it’s indicative of how the game is going to be played out .. and they can come up with all kinds of neat little “anniversaries ” to celebrate and bring out more of this shit .. “dateline jun 21 .. bill clinton got his second blowjob from monica ..and records place hillary on the other side of the wall from the oval office ” ..

    i’m not a clinton person anyway .. oh i liked bill well enough .. as a politician … he did a good job with the country .. but his other antics took away from his luster .. too much hubris .. he had five special prosecutors on his ass .. and he actually thought he could get away with illicit liasons with his willing little trollip .. too much hubris ..

    i’m an independent okay .. fiscally conservative .. socialy liberal .. BUT.. i’m not ready to go through the whole damn enchilada again .. the Hill and Bill Show vrtual reality v.2.0 .. no ..no ..no .. “fool me once”.. and all that ..

    and yeah .. it’s dirty pool .. it’s a rotten thing for the press to do ..and a rotten thing for me to do in response i suppose .. but i’m already suffering from bush-clinton-bush-clinton fatigue .. and i damn sure don’t want to spend the next four or more years reliving 1999 .. and who the hell knows what he-who-can’t-keep-his-zipper-up might get into this time [ oh yeah ..wanna bet??.. lol ] discretion is sometimes the better part of valor .. let’s just not go there in the first place .. the preventative cure is easy enough to see ..

    and surely the clinton campaign can see that there is no “political recovery” from this whole mess .. and just thinking it was all going to evaporate was wishful thinking .. this is part and parcel of the “hillary has too many negatiives to win the national election ” .. a prime example .. and it illustrates the true idea of the tremendous train of baggage this campaign is going to have to drag behind it .. i think it’s an insurmountable problem ..

    all right all you hillary fans .. you can shoot me with both barrels now …

  • “all the emotional punch of a factory-worker’s timecard.”

    Huh? What’s a “factory”? What’s a “timecard”?

    Gimme that remote … I wanna relive the blue dress thing and shed a tear for Hillary, God bless her. Damn, I don’t understand why they’re bitchin’ about the dollar. Unpatriotic crybabies. It’s all the fault of the Mexicans. God bless America and John McCain.

  • Hillary has achieved her goal with the release of these documents

    1. She can quell charges from Obamam that she hasnt been forthcoming with documents buying just a little more time before she has to release her tax returns

    2. More importantly by releasing these documents she had to know that the MSM would skip right to the Lewinsky secitons and blab about the sex scandal . She hopes to turn the sympathy from all the DEMS who supportted Bill in the late 90’s into real and tangible votes in 2008

    stinks of desparation to me

  • lib4,

    I have bad news for you. Hillary didn’t release these documents (as certain network news reports would have you believe). In fact, the Clintons attempted to block the release of these documents. However, the National Archives lost a Freedom of Information Act lawsuit and were forced to release them by a court.

    Any facade of transparency that arises out of their release is exactly that.

  • yeah desperation .. but .. as far as the sympathy thing .. i don’t give purple hearts for self inflicted wounds .. there isn’t a snowball’s chance in hell that anyone anywhere could have believed this wasn’t going to come up for a re-hash ..

    and it does look bad .. that all this was going on under her nose and she had no idea ..and that’s the kindest side of the coin .. the other is she knew and just didn’t give a shit .. it wasn’t billy boys first dalliance .. or even his second .. or his third ..

    i say the campaign can’t survive it .. and if it does it will lead to disaster on down the road .. too high a mountain to climb ..

    sorry .. but i’m being straight up here ..and i’m one of those swing voters you’ll have to capture .. and no .. now way would i vote for honest-john .. he’s too spacy imo .. i think his mind is going .. but i might just not vote at all if hill and bill are the only choice i’ve got ..

    i’m simply not willing to voluntarily subject myself and the nation to a replay of the last three years of the clinton tour .. let’s all try something completely different eh ??

  • This a perfect example of why as democrats we should demand of our 2 fine candidates that they join together on the same ticket. It will put the media in such a tither that they wouldn’t know what to do.

    #6

    Your rational is as bad or worse as the media.

  • I’m glad the documents were finally released (and Hillary had nothing to do with the timing afaik so no desperation on her part) since I believe the government works for us and none of the work product of our officials should be kept secret from the general public.

    OTOH, Cafferty summed up my opinion on the Lewinsky crap pretty well. I didn’t care then, don’t care now, and find it pretty disgusting that the people who prioritize our news coverage are fascinated by this nonsense. Maybe there is a huge audience for this and they are just playing to that, by that makes it worse in my opinion. The tabloidization of news has reached it’s natural conclusion and our country is collapsing as a result because no one can keep their eyes on serious issues long enough to do anything about them.

  • Whether it is fair to Hillary the candidate or not, I don’t want to relive the Clinton scandals and I’ve been saying that for six years.

    During the same week in August 2005, I heard both Limbaugh and Hannity on I their radio shows call Bill Clinton, a former president of the US , a rapist. My heart sank because I don’t want to want to spend another minute defending Bill Clinton’s blowjobs nor do I want to hear from Juanita Broderick, Gennifer Flowers or any other babe that Bill Clinton might have had sex with since the Lewinsky affair.

    The Clinton campaign insists that Obama has not been vetted but what about Bill Clinton. Do we have his sworn word (for whatever that’s worth) that he has not committed adultery in the past ten years? If he has, it will come out and it will sink a Clinton campaign.

    I’d rather see the GOP run a racist campaign for all the world to see. As someone over at Sadly, No! pointed out, that by the end of the campaign, the GOP won’t be able to resist urging voters not to vote for the nigger. Won’t that be a sight to behold?

  • I’m with TR; as much as I never thought Hillary Clinton would make a particularly good president, and as much as I’ve learned to dislike her after watching her pursuit of just that, this is a cheap story that knows it’s cheap. Maybe Mrs. Clinton intuited that something like this would happen, and that’s why she was reluctant to release anything. If so, she was right. The press had a chance to show that it could rise above the playground and search for points of substance – and blew it by scrambling over each other to reach the big red Easy Button. The North American media is becoming a disgraceful laughingstock in the trade, poised for a slide to the level of the salacious British tabloids.

  • #19 Chris

    You have a link for that because as I understand it it was the Buch Administration that claimed EP

  • Chris, these records were submitted for review—by the Clintons and/or their representatives—prior to release. Also, note the heavy redactions—the omittere ad nauseum, if my Latin isn’t too rusty—that effectively deletes all of the “real” politically-damaging stuff. If the media can recognize that as the bigger story—the one that can gain solid political traction, then Hillary is toast.

  • For Cumback Bill —

    Judicial Watch: ““The Clinton Presidential Library completed its exacting page-by-page, line-by-line review of approximately 10,000 of the 30,000 pages of records potentially responsive to [Judicial Watch’s] April 5, 2006 Freedom of Information Act request that is the subject of this action…The Clintons slow-pedaled this process but were unsuccessful in delaying the document release any further…

    Judicial Watch is the organization that successfully sued to get these records released (incidentally, Judicial Watch has filed several FOIA lawsuits agains the Bush Administration too).

  • NPR, confirming rumors of its own demise, carried this story as part of its five-minute, top-of-the-hour capsule on Morning Edition today. -Davis X. Machina

    Yet only yesterday a fellow commenter argued with me that NPR was in no way biased and Tomlinson sought only to correct the liberal bias that existed there prior to his tenure.

    Sigh.

    It is nauseating how quickly they retreat to the comfort of this story, but does it matter? I’m wondering what, if any impact this may have on the race. I’m inclined to think it will paint Hillary as a victim, which we’ve already seen play well.

    Too bad they aren’t highlighting the real stories, like NAFTA, which wouldn’t help her.

    We live in a world where teachers can’t discuss current events with their students, and that’s just sad.

  • Any news on the crashing dollar?
    Why did Bernanke bail out people who the month before gave themselves billions in bonuses?
    Did the White House officials who Sibel Edmonds fingered as selling nuclear weapons technology to Syria, Iran, and Afghanistan get in trouble yet?
    The five who were killed and 17 hospitalized from the 2001 anthrax attacks, have they received justice yet? Have we made an arrest yet?

  • I don’t see where #19 claimed EP — just that they tried (and continue to try) to slow down these releases:

    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB120545166653735099.html?mod=opinion_main

    Or go to judicialwatch.org since they were the ones filing the lawsuits.

    Honestly, I doubt there are any “smoking guns” in these, though there may be plenty of stuff that needs to at least be answered. But, isn’t that what being “vetted” and “experienced” is about? I swear they’d be better off begging to release everything all at once — tax records, library funding and every phone record and schedule they can find. Because right now? They just look like they’ve got things to hide, even if they don’t.

    Now, the blue dress crap? Truly crap. But we can expect crap like that day in and day out for as long as she’s a candidate or a nominee or elected.

  • I doubt there are any “smoking guns” in these…

    For anybody who cares that Hillary has been and continues to repeat the lie that she’s a long time critic of NAFTA and that she had reservations about it during the Clinton years in the White House, the NAFTA meeting is a smoking gun.

  • Capt Kirk said:
    This must have been the second preview of things to come from ABC News. On the evening news last night, there was the gem where Gibson asked Stephanopolous “What are the Republicans saying about Obama’s speech?”

    Stephanopolous immediately answers another question: “That’s right, Charlie, Republicans hope this association with the Rev. Wright will cast Obama as unelectable and the nomination will go to Hillary Clinton.”

    Early this morning I was watching Joe Scarborough (CNN was playing an inane feature about celebrity babies). Scrborough and Tucker Carlson were all but gloating over what they think is the demise of Obama’s campaign. Just like with Howard Dean’s “scream”, the corporate-controlled media is trying to preserve the status quo by doing everything they can to make the only candidate who might — possibly — change business as usual in D.C. seem unelectable. Also there was Andrea Mitchell, who looked sorry for Obama, but also looked relieved that the fraud that is her hubby Alan Greenspan’s legacy would be preserved for another four years.

    For all her talk about “change”, once Clinton is elected her principle focus will become her re-election in 2012. So forget about meaningful healthcare reform. The debacle in Iraq will continue, since she won’t want to take a chance that things will get too violent if she acts to end the occupation. Bush’s tax cuts will expire, but she will alternately take credit for it or blame Congress, depending on whom she’s trying to impress. And bribes money from lobbyists will continue to flow.

  • The Founders saw the press as a necessary conduit of information for a nation of citizens organized into governing themselves, so they amended the Constitution to ensure a free press.

    Today, I’m grateful for their sake that all those guys are long dead.

  • I just wonder if Bill gets back into the WH if he’ll use “drop by” in his diary? Probably not.

  • (Heraclitus, the lack of follow-up by the press and the White House on the anthrax attacks has always boggled me. It especially pisses me off when Bush claims there have been no other attacks since 9/11 when this one was right under his nose. Why haven’t the families of those who were either killed or injured ever spoken up? Where’s Steven Hatfill (the one and only suspect) now? Were they silenced with cash or threats? Who the hell knows? I’m not sure I really want to. The cover-up indicates to me it was most likely an inside job, one which will eventually be “discovered” in say, 2050?)

  • …so they amended the Constitution to ensure a free press. -scott_m

    The problem is the press isn’t free. It cost a few people a hell of a lot of money to establish their control over it.

  • Such an obsession with sex in investigative journalism. If these folks ever discover that there’s porn on the internet, they’ll turn into a bunch of lazy stenographers incurious about serious breaches of the public trust by our current administration and who don’t investigate or fact-check claims unless the subject is about sex, prostitutes or affairs.

  • Folks, let’s keep some perspective here. The Media is subliminably controlling us again. First of all the Clintons were forced by court order to release the files: The MSM, slaves to their Corporate Bosses, are creating the varied reactions to this “old news”: Mrs. Clinton porported that her “Experience” as FirstLady prepared her to be the next President”; these documents reflect a clearer picture of her tenure in the White House..

    I am certain there is some documentation to substantiate her claim to such “Presidential Experience”. Why is the Media so concerted in their efforts to stirup the sentiment of Mrs. Clinton’s Lowensky episode? Reliving more “shock and awe”.

    I beleive we need more transparency of all of the backgrounds of the Media Bosses, Pundits, Consultants,etc, so that the American People will know who is reading and opinionating the slanted Associated Press reports(can’t call any of it News) that’s released to the Public.

    Where is the Integrity in America anymore?

  • Don’t forget that ABC’s Brian Ross is held up as a “hero” by the right wing because of his persistence in getting the Rev. Wright mashup into the CM-fed public consciousness. The DLC, of which the Clintons are founding members, is the Democratic wing of the Corporatocracy. The Corporatocracy will always prefer Publicans, and will turn on its Democratic lapdogs on a dime.

    I wish that the DLC could be surgically removed from the Democratic Party, so that more Democratic spines could be reinserted. Defeating Ms. Clinton, who is at least as complicated a human being as Rev. Wright, is perhaps a first cut in that surgery. Wouldn’t it be nice if we could defeat her without destroying her?

  • mrspanstreppon, my god, you are so right. I just can’t relive the Clinton years again,

    “Whether it is fair to Hillary the candidate or not, I don’t want to relive the Clinton scandals and I’ve been saying for six years.”

    “The Clinton campaign insists that Obama has not been vetted but what about Bill Clinton. Do we have his sworn word (for whatever that’s worth) that he has not committed adultery in the past ten years? If he has, it will come out and it will sink a Clinton campaign.”

  • Why has the media dropped all reference to McCain lobbyist and possible mistress Vicki Iseman, yet salivates over anything Lewinsky?

  • Believe me, if Hillary is the nominee, all we’re going to be hearing about for the
    next nine months is Monica’s semen-stained blue dress, Juanita Broadrick’s
    rape charges, Hillary’s 15-year Rose Law Firm career and her NAFTA support,
    Watergate, Filegate, Travelgate and cattle-futures-gate. “I did not have sex with
    that woman,” “It all depends on what the meaning of ‘is’ is” and “I did everything
    I could to catch Bin Laden but they just wouldn’t let me.” Draft dodging, dope
    smoking but I didn’t inhale, I didn’t know it was REALLY a vote for war, the Vast
    Right Wing Conspiracy, Johnnie Chung, media bias and why-are-you-picking-on-
    me-I’m-just-a-girl-excuse-me-while-I-cry. Cackle, bony finger wagging, cackle,
    bony finger wagging, cackle, bony finger wagging. Clap, clap, point, point, clap,
    clap, point, point. “Shame on (fill in the blank)!”

    This is what the party of Franklin Delano Roosevelt and John F. Kennedy have
    been reduced to…

    Say hello to President John McCain and Vice President Mitt Romney!

  • If sen.Clinton could not pre-empt an affair involving her husband in the white house,I wonder how proactive she would be as a President in avoiding 3A.M phone calls.

  • Does the press not have anything else to write about, like maybe how Americans are getting killed everyday in Iraq, than to write about something like this!? I find it an insult to public intelligence. Its Hillary’s fault that her husband was unfaithful. Plus, she gets criticized when she was “too involved” in the Clinton’s Administration and now she is being criticized for not being in the Oval Office enough. Please, I’m sick of this anti-Hillary rhetoric. Please start reporting about substantive matters.

  • Excuse me… Mr. Steve Bennan.

    You quoted: “These reports are cheap, tawdry, and absurd. By what rationale is this considered important? How does an editor or producer justify humiliating a presidential candidate for no reason?”, but only after repeating the most salacious comments yourself. And you knew your title referring to the “stained blue dress” would draw many to your website! So what makes you any different? And on the other hand, who am I to judge, since it was your very headline that drew me to your site? We are all finger-pointing hypocrites, indeed!

    I’m not pro-Hillary, but the need to re-humilate her offends me. What kind of people are we that we feel the need to live over such a dark time in our nation’s life… and in a woman’s life. Let the past be past and focus on the real issues!

  • I can’t understand why CNN put this report in the news?
    What has this report with anything concerning this Presidential
    Election? Is a wife suppose to be a sitter for her spouse? Is she responsible
    for his actions and where abouts? I think not. I certainly hope not! So the legitimacy of these attacks on Hillary supposedly because she was present in the White House when her husband had encounters with Lewinsky is relevant how?

    I think this report sheds more light on CNN and this Reporter than it does on the
    Clintons! And the light is not the color of a Halo.

  • Where is the credible media in this country? Are you kidding me? CNN you should all be ashamed! Several paragraphs on Lewinsky (again!) and then you actually mention a little news. After 15 plus years of “critical journalism” the country is in dire need and you continue to report on nothing that matters. Where are the journalists? How do you look at yourselves in the mirror? Didn’t anyone want to be a real journalist when they grew up? You are hurting our country.

  • Well, we are living in a democracy and the media is free to provide whatever the audience is asking for. She must have known something about her husband’s affairs while they were going on (remember, Monica was just one in a long row, even before he was Arkansas governor). If she didn’t, she is completely blind to human nature (otherwise put, plain stupid).

    Same story with the wives of NY and NJ governors who just “didn’t know” about their husbantds’ prostitution/homosexuality. Are you kidding me? Turns out now one of them joined in for a bit of “group sex” now and then with a young adviser. I’m not saying Hillary ever did that, but that she must have known her husband “relaxed” in other ways than jogging.

    But it’s fine with me, really: a marriage is a private arrangement between two people. Some people have a kind of “open relationship” and they are quite OK with it (I know such people). What bugs me is the dishonesty, the continuous recriminations about minute slip-ups by the opponent, incredible spin etc.

    Example: Obama is a monster for listening in his church to something controversial. But Hillary didn’t even bother actually going to church, until she figured out she wants to run for office outside NY !

  • I think it’s definately offensive to try to blame Senator Clinton for her husbands actions. I wouldn’t blame most wives for their husbands actions, as i think most men are egotistical. Especially I would never assert that a wife could reign in a president.

    But on the same dime, Senator Clinton is the one that opened this nasty little bag of worms, and it’s going to be impossible to stuff them back inside. She lives in the most glass house of all, and she hasn’t stopped throwing stones wherever she could, hit or miss, her campaign doesn’t care.

    She is a woman possessed, running almost entirely on mission. She is wearing blinders to the big picture, knowing that she was beaten a few weeks ago, she came out swinging. All of her talk at the debate, shaking hands with Senator Obama and agreeing to keep this a clean campaign, and with a straight face. Must have had something crossed. I think that at the time of that debate her staffers had convinced her that you can’t be mean to the nice guy, that she needed to play Obama’s game back at him. After Texas and Ohio she realized that she could be ruthless and many people would respect her for it, regardless of whether she disenfranchised long time supporters like myself. And she hasn’t looked back since.

  • The “stained blue dress” story in my opinion raises a question of inteligence and mental elertness as i fail to understand how a strings of encounters involving someone as close as a husband and at times when she was within White House could have escaped her vission.Would she notice anything hapening outside the white house e.g outside Washington if the household is too much for her?

  • 7. On March 20th, 2008 at 9:08 am, Martin said:
    So, how long will it take NewsMax to re-implicate her in the Vince Foster suicide Murder and for the MSM to oh so reluctantly re-examine the story because “it is out there”?

    Rupert Murdoch and the Wall Street Journal beat them to it this time…

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