Clinton redirects attention, but the focus is still on her

Following up on an item from yesterday, Hillary Clinton, for the first time, went after Barack Obama rather aggressively on the Jeremiah Wright controversy, apparently hoping to reignite a fire that had already gone out, while at the same time, redirecting reporters’ attention away from her admittedly false claims about her 1996 Bosnia trip.

Was the strategy successful? Partially. On the one hand, political observers did stop talking, at least temporarily, about the Bosnia controversy. On the other hand, however, instead of renewing the discussion of Wright and Obama, the prevailing question on people’s minds is whether Clinton has gone too far.

I mentioned in passing yesterday that Clinton decided to launch her new round of attacks while talking with the editors of a conservative newspaper. Josh Marshall fleshed this out in more detail.

This afternoon Greg Sargent and I were talking this over and one of us realized that this wasn’t just any Pittsburgh paper. It was the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review, the money-losing, vanity, fringe sheet of Richard Mellon Scaife, funder of the Arkansas Project, the American Spectator during its prime Clinton-hunting years and virtually every right-wing operation of note at one point or another over the last twenty years or more.

In fact, what I only discovered late this evening, when Eric Kleefeld sent me this link at National Review Online, is that not only was it Scaife’s paper. Scaife himself was there sitting just to Clinton’s right apparently taking part in the questioning.

This alone has to amount to some sort cosmic encounter like something out of a Wagner opera. Remember, this is the guy who spent millions of dollars puffing up wingnut fantasies about Hillary’s having Vince Foster whacked and lots of other curdled and ugly nonsense. Scaife was the nerve center of the Vast Right Wing Conspiracy. Those of us who spent years defending the Clintons from all that malarkey learned this point on day one.

I was tempted to compare this to Clinton launching a new offensive against Obama while on Fox News, but in reality, it’s far worse. She was sitting next to Richard Mellon Scaife, for goodness sakes.

Lest anyone think her comments to the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review were inadvertent, and the candidate who places enormous value on message discipline just slipped during the editorial board meeting, note that Clinton repeated her “concerns” during a press conference yesterday afternoon.

A couple of things. First, you may have noticed that Clinton was largely reading her answer about Jeremiah Wright. In a press conference, it’s very unusual for a presidential candidate to respond to an unprompted question by literally sticking to a script. Answers are generally extemporaneous. The fact that Clinton read her answer from a prepared text suggests, in case there was any doubt, the campaign is deliberately trying to push this line of attack. It wasn’t just a random, off-the-cuff remark.

Second, Clinton insisted at the press conference, “I was answering a question that was posed to me.” Look, Clinton is extremely smart, and she’s been through more media interviews than almost any political figure in modern history. If she didn’t want to go after Obama on this, she could have brushed past the question posed to her. In fact, this story has been brewing for weeks, she’s been asked about it repeatedly, and she never said a word.

My sense is that this attack has backfired. Observers aren’t sitting around this morning asking, “Should we press Obama for more details about why he’s still with his church?” they’re asking, “Why on earth did Clinton do this?”

I suspect this isn’t what the campaign had in mind.

“I suspect this isn’t what the campaign had in mind.” I have seen little evidence that Hillary’s campaign is very good at either tactical or strategic thinking. This is part of the kitchen sink, nothing more – and with no consideration that it might effect her ability to win the general by, I don’t know, turning the entire AA community rabidly against her.

Political Animal Kevin Drum has been as staunch a defender of Hillary as I know of (and as I was just a few months ago), and a staunch defender of “just let it play out.” She just lost Kevin by this action. Kevin said:

“TIME TO QUIT DIGGING….Yeah, I’m pretty much at the same place. There are already an awful lot of reasons for me not to bother defending Hillary even tepidly, and I hardly need another one. She’s been voted off the island. It’s time for her to go.”
http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2008_03/013404.php

Way to go, girl. How’s that Clinton legacy shaping up?

  • I suspect that this whole nomination process isn’t what the campaign had in mind.

    Remind me again, anyone, why people spent so much time defending the Clintons against the Vast Right Wing Conspiracy, when now they sit down – shoulder to shoulder – with them?

    It suggests to me that either the Clintons are so craven that they have absolutely no scruples or that there never was a “conspiracy” out to get the Clintons. The former is obvious. The latter is a little shaky, but considering both Clintons’ readiness to blame everyone and anyone for their own mistakes suggests that we got had by two self-absorbed, whining liars for eight long years.

    (This is not to suggest that the right wing wasn’t out to get them in any way, only that they blew it way out of proportion as a smoke screen to hide themselves. And remember, it was Mrs. Clinton who was far more nutty on the VRWC theory.)

  • Why the hell did she meet with Scaife?!?!?! I’m as befuddled as I am perturbed by this. I just don’t understand why she’d meet with Scaife or his lousy Tribune. I don’t know what purpose it serves OTHER than to try to get members of the VRWC to vote for her in the primary– Rush’s “Operation Chaos.”

    Hillary has officially jumped the shark. It’s time for her to graciously step down or risk completely trashing the Clinton legacy and undermining the party’s unity.

  • This isn’t surprising. Billary made their Faustian bargain some time ago. Bill Clinton appeared on Rush Limbaugh’s radio show in the run-up to Texas and Ohio (totally overlooked by the MSM), and the campaign regularly dispatches references to “news” stories in right-wing media like Newsmax, Fox News, the American Spectator, and National Review to prop up their specious arguments against Obama.

    Joe Trippi has said the the Clintons are running the last top-down campaign. They are also running the last ignorant-of-the-internet campaign, as they believe they can continue to get away with stunts like their protracted marriage of convenience with the right-wing. But they can’t – and shouldn’t. Yes, let’s talk about judgment.

  • Actually, Kevin Drum’s breaking point was an article being floated in the American Spectator about how Obama’s military adviser McPeak is somehow anti-Semitic.

    But the difference is negligible. This is yet another one-time leader of the anti-Clinton slime machine now being used to slime the Clintons’ opponents. The American Spectator was, after all, the one that first pushed the Paula Jones story and the “Troopergate” bullshit.

    The fingerprints connecting this piece to the campaign are nowhere nearly as clear as this pathetic Scaife thing, but explicit or not, the vast right-wing conspiracy is now being used to keep the Clinton campaign running.

    That speaks volumes. Either the Clintons are in league with them (as evident in sitting down with Scaife) or the right-wing tabloids are desperate to review their cash cow in another Clinton presidency. Ugh.

  • I’d say the new “Hillary as Tonya Harding” meme about sums up what Hill is up to.

    She wants to be President and she looks like she will say and do whatever it takes to win. Of course she has to destroy Obama and break her party to do this, but winning ugly is still winning.

  • Hillary’s contact with reality is tenuous at best. Bosnis snipers and now this. I don’t think I want her anywhere near when the phone rings at 3 a.m.

    Richard Mellon Scaife? the vast right-wing conspiracy himself? Now her constant pairing with McAin’t makes sense … they’re planning a unity ticket together.

    Gotta get a new tinfoil hat.

    Must be nice for Barack, vacationing in St. Thomas and hearing about this from afar.

  • So she read her response to a question which she later insists she only answered because it was asked. We also know that she was reading a prepared statement when she delivered her “sleep-deprived” lies about sniper fire in Bosnia.

    As for sitting at the same table with Scaife, it repeats the visit of Bill Clinton to Rush Limbaugh’s radio studio, trolling for Publican votes on the day of the Texas primary – votes that he had to know were insincere.

    We put together bits of information to create our picture of people in the media whom we don’t actually know. Given our biases we probably sometimes cherry pick items that reinforce the narratives that we’ve already created, rather than alter the narratives. But I defy anyone to try to put together a positive picture of the Clintons which includes bits of info like these. I want the leaders of my country to lead by inspiration, not to rule by fear, poison, and intimidation, like the Borgias of the Renaissance.

  • TR makes a good point.

    Remember all those Whitewater-esque allegations of impropriety from the 90’s?

    Seems Hillary has taken a page from this historty book while her campaign and surrogates level vague charges of impropriety at Obama….. i.e., Rezko, Rezko, Rezko, Rezko!

    But whatever it takes, right?

  • TR(8). Thanks for the Ambinder link. According to the article the Clinton campaign was distributing this Am Spectator article. Amazing!

  • Clinton thinks she has what it takes to take on the GOP.

    The GOP is aching…ACHING…to take the Clinton machine on in the general election, deliver the death blow they’ve wanted to deliver for 16 years, like Stallone rewriting the Vietnam War with Rambo.

    But both groups are scared spitless of Obama.

    They know that he poses a genuine threat, his base encompasses such a broad sspectrum of America, and he’s proving to be made of Teflon.

    This is a “the enemy of my enemy is my friend” battle royale kinda thing. They’re willing to tag team Obama assuming that, were he out of the picture, their partner in this crime will be too beaten & bloodied to survive till November. So they’ll hold their noses & hold their tongues & focus their ire on Obama & hope it’s enough.

    Not saying that’ll work, but it’s my conspiracy theory du jour & I’m sticking to it.

  • I think Hillary got the old adage mixed up– she seems to think her enemy is her friend.

    Up to this point I’ve been pretty positive about both of them– but now my opinion of Hillary is in steep, rapid decline. In addition to supporting Obama I’m happy to start talking about what a pathetic, desperate campaign she’s running.

  • The GOP is aching…ACHING…to take the Clinton machine on in the general election – Slappy Magoo

    Actually, since the Rev. Wright controversy this is no longer true, and has been noted by most if not all of the MSM outlets.

  • The most dumbfounding part of all of this is that Hillary is now living up to every nasty, negative thing the VRWC has said about her– manipulative, lying, dirty and so power-hungry that she’lll do ANYTHING to win.

    To think a few months ago we were looking at one of the most remarkable races in the history of this country. Right now it looks like a giant, hot mess of absurd proportions.

  • It was maddening enough when the Clintons snuggled up to the GOP when they were governing (DADT, NAFTA, etc.). Back then we called it triangulating and regarded it as clever governance, taking GOP policies and passing them as our own.

    Viewed from the GOP’s point of view, however, it was a way of governing without actually holding the office. They got most of what they wanted even though they were out of power. They continue to get everything they want even with Pelosi and Reid in power in Congress.

    Now the Clintons are wealthier than they ever dreamed. Their investments are no doubt in line with the rest of the GOP obscenely rich.

    It actually doesn’t take a tin foil hat to imagine Hillary sitting down with Scaife or doing the rest of the stuff she’s done lately. Since she’s lost the Democrats, she’s jumping to the next best thing, a unity ticket with McAin’t.

  • Does anyone know what the question was that prompted this response?

    My guess? “Richard? This is Mark Penn. Can we use you to hit Obama?”

  • I’ve come realize that it’s not so much that you Obamamaniacs like Obama is that you despise and hate Clinton. She has been a known name for years and Obama is a novice. When you come down to it they both have pretty much the same views. His “greatest speech of all time on race” thru his grandma under the bus and he states “Just wanted to show a typical white person”. No one cares.

    Obama seems to be the more polished, charismatic and moralyworthy. Morality in politics is an illusiion. In the end, he is as crooked as any other politician in the race, his appeal is in the fact that he can promise and say anything because he has no record to dispute. A fresh face in politics nothing more.

  • Hillary short: “When my enemy is the enemy of my enemy, I will do anything for a buck, including snuggling up to Richard Mellon Scaife in public.”

    Hillary has now completed her transformation to the Dark Side. You may address her as “Darth” from here on out….

  • It may be backfiring among political observers, but it is probably very effective among voters in PA. I think she’s looking for a 20 – 25 point win in PA, and this is another effective boost in that direction.

    I really hope the people of PA step up and realize that they are clearly being manipulated and tweaked by this campaign, and say no to it.

  • Probably right, Coltrane. But the last poll (Rasmussen) had Hillary at 49-39 in Penn., so it seems her strategy may already be backfiring.

  • Hi Manny, please don’t group me with those who hate Clinton because of the contrasts between the two candidates. I loathed her war vote. I disliked her long before that.

    Your words (“as crooked as any other politician”) are just as hate-filled. You may want to address your tone when pretending to take the high road.

    I’m very happy to finally have a candidate I can believe in. It’s been like, forever. But please know if you have something, anything to demonstrate Clinton’s better attributes, I just may listen.

    Otherwise, you’re just noise.

  • Clinton’s gambling a long shot here. Like the whole NAFTA subterfuge that she pulled off right before Ohio, she’s banking on enough people’s confusion and / or ignorance to hold up in time for her to win the next primary.

    The only problem is that reporters are paid to dig for facts, and the more facts the average person learns about Wright, the better he looks. Clinton can’t easily use honest reporters who know the truth to sell a message based on a misperception. The only reporters willing to play along would need to be working for a news outlet with a political agenda. Enter Scaife.

    The people who don’t want to know any more about Wright than a soundbite (and who also enjoy tabloid news) will probably never be phased by her statement. They may, however, be disturbed to see Clinton’s “experience” getting shot full of holes like a victim of Bosnian sniper fire.

    It’s my bet that these folks will end up voting for McCain rather than Clinton.

  • Bunny said: …The only problem is that reporters are paid to dig for facts…

    If only that were true, we wouldn’t be in the pickle we are in.

    Reporters do not dig, they simply distribute memo’s provided to them.

    And they have selected their candidate, McCain, so no matter what is said by anyone, they will report those memos accordingly.

  • I good many of us have taken the time to watch several of Rev. Wright’s sermons in context. He is a very talented and inspiring pastor. Taking 2 or 3 volatile statements completely out of context just doesn’t work so well in the modern youtube world.

    if I weren’t such a steady secularist, i’d probably be interested in attending a church like Trinity.

  • I am one of her unhappy constitutents here in NY who is not at all shocked at Clinton making nice-nice- with Scaife. A few years ago, I almost fell out of my chair when I read about her praising Alphonse D’Amato at the dedication of a new and very expensive federal courthouse here on Long Island named after D’Amato.

    A couple of years ago, the NY Post and the NYT both thought it was newsworthy that Clinton and D’Amato were regularly having private luncheons.

    Remember Senator Al? He’s the mobbed-up crook one who spent six years and tens of millions of dollars “investigating” the Clintons.

    Clinton sold her soul a long time ago,

  • On March 26th, 2008 at 10:07 am, MissMudd said:

    I loathed her war vote. I disliked her long before that.

    Funny but this is the point I was trying to make in the first place.

    I’m very happy to finally have a candidate I can believe in. It’s been like, forever. But please know if you have something, anything to demonstrate Clinton’s better attributes, I just may listen

    This is something that can be said of both candidates as well. Clinton has sponsored many bills that mostly were shot down with a few going thru. Obama has had a few of his own. However, Obama has been in the U.S. Senate only a few years and has been campaiging for over a year so he does not really have a record to compare against. He opposed the war from the beginning as he says but he was not in the senate to vote for/against the war. Of course now he would have “never voted for the war”. Very easy to say.

    So you believe in Obama. What do you believe in? In the end you have a very charismatic speaker who has a strong appeal , but really has nothing in his record to back up any of his campaign promises. You have no clue what kind of president he would make.

    Isn’t it possible it is more hate for one than love for another?

  • Obama won “Red States” with G.O.P. Money and Crossover Voting to take out Clinton, and Fox/Clearchannel promoted unknown Obama.

    According to an article in Time magazine published last November, Republicans have been organized in 14 states to VOTE Senator Barack Obama. At least three former fundraisers for President Bush flushed his coffers with cash early on in the race, something the deep pockets had not done for any candidate in their own party. With receipts topping $100 million in 2007, the first-term Illinois senator broke the record for contributions. It was a remarkable feat, considering that most Americans had not even heard of him before 2005.

    The Time article went on to explain that rank and file Republicans were switching parties this spring to vote for Obama in the Democratic primaries. Though not mentioned in the piece, a group called Republicans for Obama formed in 2006 to expedite the strategy, and the Obama campaign launched its own “Be a Democrat For a Day” campaign in 2007.

    If, Obama wins the nomination (or even the VP spot), Karl Rove strategy prospects brighten considerably. Largely unvetted by the media, the senator carries considerable baggage from his stint as a state legislator, particularly his 17-year relationship with Chicago slumlord Tony Rezko. So far, the mainstream press has paid lip service to the particulars of Obama””s past and instead portrays him as a fresh new face in American politics.[thecityedition.com]

  • anyone who sits at a table with scaife and doesn’t spit in his face isn’t qualified to be president, ms harding.

  • So you believe in Obama. What do you believe in?

    i believe we should talk to venezuela even if chavez doesn’t privatize the oil industry. i believe we should talk to iran without bushian “preconditions” i believe that we as a country should repudiate the worst foreign policy disaster in a generation. btw, obama was running for US senate when the (then-popular) war started and IL isn’t as solidly blue as hillary’s (ha!) NY

    jaw-jaw is better than war-war — churchill

  • honestly, hillary’s vote on the war was about her presidential campaign, nothing else. unless she actually believed what she was saying. in which case she’s too stupid to be CinC

  • We defended the Clintons in the 90’s for the same reason Republicans defend Bush now: They were our people and if they looked bad, we looked bad. Somehow, the Clintons imagined that this represented love for them and they could do anything the hell they wanted. I don’t regret having defended them in the 90’s as I had no choice. I fail to understand why anyone bothers to defend them now, since we have a choice. And I really don’t like anyone who insists on trying to leave us with no choice than to defend her by destroying Obama.

    As I’ve said before, I don’t necessarily think it’s a bad thing for Hillary to stay in the race, as long as she didn’t keep trying to destroy Obama. But…if she weren’t doing this, there’d be no point in her staying in. Her only hope of winning is if she can help the wingnuts ruin him, and even that’s a longshot. Fortunately, the more she pulls this crap, the more people dislike her; just like they did with the wingnuts in the 90’s. I’ll never understand why people think absurdist negative attacks are effective, because history shows that they’re not. Playing tough works, but Hillary and the wingnuts continue to jump the shark and imagine that the loud reaction they keep getting is applause.

  • Josh Marshall:

    Those of us who spent years defending the Clintons from all that malarkey learned this point on day one.

    Yep… all those years.

    Then Bill walked out one day and he admitted to sticking a Cuban cigar up a young intern’s ying-yang in the Oval Office! That was the day I vowed never to defend a Clinton again. Never!

    Glad to see some folks are starting to wake up to the fact this family has stolen and trashed the soul of the democratic party. If you aren’t there yet: Hang tight. More Clinton deviltry is on the way…

  • Hillary can’t see that her “cunning” moves are not getting her closer to the presidency but instead are eroding her credibility among what should be her base. She will leave this process with less power and prestige than she had before.

    John Kerry lost the last election, but his position as an esteemed party leader was cemented by the last election and not damaged by it. Hillary is laying waste to her stature and opinion in the party and she will wind up as inconsequential to anything by staying her course. She will have more political muscle if she bails out now rather than continuing her slash and burn approach to the campaign.

  • “Oh, how dare Hillary say anything that makes my boyfriend look bad. She’s a mean old lady.” That’s basically what happens in the land of blogs when Hillary campaigns. The vast right wing conspiracy against the Clintons has been replaced by the vast progressive blog conspiracy we are seeing now. Everything the Clintons say or do can only be parsed as evil. The fantasies of progressive bloggers are easily as ridiculous as the right wing nutjobs of the 90’s. If the GOP really wanted to run against Hillary she would be getting the fluffing that Obama has gotten from the MSM. The Republicans can’t wait to run against Obama and his crybaby bloggers.

  • Exactly, Who saw Clinton reading her answer? She said what she had said earlier about this Wright flap, except with a small variation. There was no need to have a prepared answer. She offered no advice to Obama who at times is hyper-sensitive. The media are giving Obama a pass as usual. He shouldn’t be able to give a speech making a bigot’s rants the fault of others. What he did was try to change the conversation, and make Wright’s racism the fault of all of us while he continues to embrace Wright. He owes the voters more. There are other UCC locations. Trinity is just one bldg.

  • Actions speak better than words.

    Mr Obama choose Mr. Wright as his spiritual teacher for 20 years and included Mr. Wright in his election staff, these are the actions of Mr. Obama. When shocking hate messages began to flow from the mouth of Mr. Wright on television, hyperbole spin was written for Mr. Obama distancing Mr. Obama from Mr. Wright. The weird thing is, some people actually believe the spin written by Mr. Obama’s election machine. But regardless what Mr. Obama says, he chose Mr. Wright as his spiritual teacher for 20 years and added Mr. Wright to his election staff.

    If you make the choice to listen and learn from Hitler every week over 20 years, do you expect me or any other rational being to believe that you wouldn’t be or want to be influenced by Hitler’s ideas? And what does that say of your personal integrity if you chose American hating Mr. Wright, or Mr. Hitler as your guide in life?

    And also consider recent announcement that the chief of the firm involved in the State Department’s passport breach is one of Obama’s adviser. And that Obama has been caught lying about Rezko, regarding the amount of money Rezko gave him, and that Obama still hasn’t come clean about his Rezko land deal. Or further, how Mrs. Obama makes a phenomenal $317.000 a month at a hospital in Chicago that is famous for turning away the poor, especially the black poor.

    If Obama were to become president, what would stop Mr. Obama from appointing Mr. Wright to his cabinet? And after Mr. Wright’s appointment, if anyone complained they would be called racist. And it seems as if this strategy – that it is racist to criticize a black man – is already in effect as Mr. Obama can do anything corrupt with minimal impunity by the public or the press. But if Hillary so much as sneezes, she is taken through the laundry and hung out to dry and then beaten some more. Such bias treatment towards Mr. Obama because of his race is racial discrimination. And I believe another reason why Mrs. Clinton is unfairly criticized to such an extreme is because the men of this country can’t stand the idea of a woman for president. Think about it. It seems a lot of powerful men in the media will do anything to keep Hillary Clinton from being president; clearly a libido thing.

    We should have as our country’s leader someone with wisdom and knowledge, whose goal is the selfless betterment of the world. We should not elect someone with a personal agenda of personal power or select them because of the fashionably of their race. And we should see past the scared libidos in the media trying so hard to keep a woman from succeeding.

  • I’ve been a supporter of both Hilary and Obama since the field was winnowed down to just them. Hilary’s recent mis-steps and mis-speaks have eroded much of the goodwil afforded her. But sitting down with Scaife just about seals the deal. This isn’t “strange bedfellow”, it’s Faustian.

  • Manny and Gregg are tools, they work for the GOP slim machine. They offer nothing a responding to them only distracts from the topic.

    Where are all the die hard Clinton fans that had taken over this site weeks ago ? Come on I am waiting for a real Clinton fans to come out and defend the indefensible.

    I taunt because when anyone said anything even remotely bad about her we were labeled as Obama operatives. I am actually glad they aren’t sticking up for her like the GWB apologists, it tells me this party still has some common sense left.

    I hate that Bill Clinton has gone from great admiration to disdain in my head. Bill really did himself a disservice this past six months and I doubt his reputation can ever be restored. Hillary went from cautiously optimistic to anger and rage and I am sure it will only get worse.

    I think it’s time for Dean to get with the SD’s and have them vote and end this fiasco. We need some unity and we need it sooner then later.

  • I encourage everyone here to read Robert’s comment at 32 and then read the Time article he’s referencing. Ill post it in full below.

    Robert somehow makes this sound like an evil Limbaugh-fueled plot to steal away the party, when every single bit in the article suggests that this is a sincere movement of former Republicans to Obama’s campaign.

    There’s a reason Robert didn’t provide the actual text or the link — the article actually argues against his conclusions.

    http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1680192,00.html

    Dave Filipi, a 58-year-old family doctor, made his way to the back room of McKenna’s Blues Bar near the University of Nebraska’s Omaha campus. Nervously smoothing his suit, he lingered in the doorway. “To be honest, I’m a Republican,” Filipi sheepishly said as two dozen curious faces swung around toward him.

    “Trust me, you’re not the only one here,” Solomon Kleinsmith, the head of the group Omaha for Obama and himself a lifelong Republican, replied with a chuckle. “Come, sit down.”

    Political organizing for Democrats in red states like Nebraska can often feel a bit like leading AA meetings. But that hasn’t deterred more than 300 Nebraskans from forming a dozen groups for Senator Barack Obama’s presidential campaign, and they aren’t the only ones. On Monday, the Obama campaign announced that over 300 Iowa and New Hampshire Republicans had decided to cross party lines to support Obama. At Obama events in Oklahoma, Kentucky, Virginia and Georgia, a good 20% of audiences routinely raise their hands when emcees ask for Republicans in the crowd. A “Republicans for Obama” website has 11 state chapters with 146 members. An August University of Iowa even found Obama running third in the state among Republican candidates, behind Mitt Romney and Rudy Giuliani but ahead of both Fred Thompson and John McCain. And a national Gallup poll this month also found that nearly as many Republicans like Obama — 39% — than the 43% that dislike him, compared with the 78% of Republicans who held an unfavorable opinion of Hillary Clinton.

    It seems a lot of Republicans took to heart Obama’s statement in his rousing speech at the 2004 Democratic National Convention that “there is not a liberal America and a conservative America — there is the United States of America.” And with polls showing Obama still trailing Clinton and supporters urging him to become more aggressive in attacking the front-runner, his non-partisan appeal could be a useful rallying cry as Iowa and New Hampshire fast approach. Already, the campaign uses his electability as a defense when things don’t go their way. Last Wednesday, when the former First Lady won the endorsement of the powerful Association of Federal, State and Municipal Employees Union — which has more than 30,000 members in Iowa — Obama campaign manager David Plouffe responded with this: “It is a bit surprising that the union probably most concerned with state and local election results would support the candidate with the likeliest least appeal in red states. When Barack Obama is the Democratic nominee, he will not only win the presidency but his appeal to Republicans and Independents will lift down-ballot candidates all across the country.”

    Even some former Bush supporters and advisers are Obama converts. Three former major fund-raisers for the President have given money to Obama. One of them, James Canning, a Chicago financier, is openly supporting Obama after he grew tired of what he calls the G.O.P.’s “Neanderthal positions on things like stem cell research and global warming.” Mark McKinnon, Bush’s chief media consultant during both of his presidential campaigns, has warned his clients — including Senator John McCain — that if Obama wins the Democratic nomination McKinnon won’t work against him in the general election. And Matthew Dowd, Bush’s former top political strategist, told the New York Times that the only candidate that appeals to him this cycle in either party is Obama.

    “I don’t think Oklahoma has seen this kind of enthusiasm for a Democrat since Bobby Kennedy,” marveled Lisa Pryor, chairwoman of the Oklahoma Democratic Party, who is not endorsing a candidate, after an Obama rally in Oklahoma City in March that drew more than 1,000 people — each of whom paid $25 to get in, and handed over their contact information. “He could be the first Democrat to win Oklahoma since LBJ.”

    The demand for Obama in conservative states is a testament to his rock star status, a term he loathes for its implication that he’s all style and no substance. But it may be the very fact that many voters don’t yet know that much about the specifics of his politics that is sustaining his level of cross-party support. “I’m not seeing any pretty clear matches for me in the Republican crop,” said Filipi, a lifelong Republican who found out about Omaha for Obama on the Internet. “The last few years I’ve really had to settle on who I’ve voted for. I haven’t been inspired. I’m not sure Obama’s that person either but he’s the closest I’ve come to getting inspired in years.”

    In fact, Obama’s voting record is the most liberal of any candidate, according to a National Journal analysis. Obama’s score of 84.3% in the Journal’s ratings formula tops even that of Representative Dennis Kucinich, who was considered the most liberal Democratic presidential candidate in 2004.

    Republicans and Independents are a vital demographic for Obama, who needs to draw in new voters in order to compete with Clinton and Edwards in Iowa, the all-important first test of presidential politics. The three are essentially tied in polls in Iowa, where anyone, regardless of party identification, can show up and caucus provided they sign a (non-binding) letter saying they intend to change their registration. And while 76% of Edwards supporters caucused in 2004, only 55% of Obama’s supporters took the time four years ago, according to another University of Iowa poll out this week. “For Obama, getting people who are less likely to caucus out the door in January will be critical,” said David Redlawsk, the poll’s director and an associate professor of political science.

    And just in case Iowa Republicans and Independents aren’t yet sold on Obama, Kleinsmith and his group of Omaha for Obama are working across the border in Iowa to convince them. “My big fear is: if he doesn’t win Iowa that’s it for him,” Kleinsmith told his group. As well, he would surely argue, as it would be for the Democrats’ already slim chances in a state like Nebraska.

  • Wowsa! My post was deleted. Any idea why? Didn’t have an iota of hate in any of it.

    Steve?

  • I really am disappointed that the American people would be so impacted on such nonsense about Obama’s pastor. Barack Obama has denounced his former pastor’s comments numerous times and yet the media still has to make such a huge deal over it. It’s really not that big of a deal, the things that were said by Rev. Wright was said last year. But, think of it in two ways, first Rev. Wright is NOT Barack Obama! Rev. Wright is a grown man who make his own decisions. I could understand if everyone is upset if Barack Obama said it, but it wasn’t Barack Obama. Second, SOME of the things that Rev. Wright is true, this nation is “White America” and Hillary Clinton doesn’t know what it feels like to live in America as a person of color. I don’t just say that because Barack Obama is a black man, but I am a person of color as well. People of color (as well as women) in America have to work twice as hard to get somewhere in life. That is just how it is, majority of people wouldn’t understand because they are not a person of color. Like, Barack Obama, I also come from a bi-racial family.

    Just because Barack’s pastor said some things that were offensive, just remember this, since this race has started NO candidate has brought people out to vote, brought people together, etc. like Barack Obama. Barack Obama has unified this country already. Barack has won “Blue states and Red states”, young people have come out to vote and to rally for him, Old people have come to see Barack Obama speak, people of all races and genders have come together and have spread the movement for Change, for Hope, for Barack Obama!

    Please, see past all of this non-sense and join the movement. Vote for Barack Obama for President 2008!!!

  • After thinking back to 911 when a lot of us ran to the churches of America, we heard a lot of condolences, critisms, and condemnations against this country and it’s sin. We heard how America had turned it’ back on the Lord and now he turns his back on America basically. Which to me was the same as saying we were damned because of our cultural condescendance, and depravity. Rev Wright basically said the same thing that I heard when I watched tv preachers Jerry Farwell, Pat Robinson, and Rob Parsley which are white men. Why is it so inflammatory when this black preacher says it is what is a puzzle to me, even if he was one of the candidates pastor go to the other candidates files and find out what their pastors said. I think this was a time when the church stood to point out to Americans that we could not continue to get away from the morals of what this country was built on, that disaster would await. (this is only my opinion). Do you remember weeks after what your pastor, rabbi, clergyman, bishop, even the pope said?

  • Rev Wright basically said the same thing that I heard when I watched tv preachers Jerry Farwell, Pat Robinson, and Rob Parsley which are white men.

    That’s actually not correct. Falwell and Robertson directly said that America deserved to be attacked for being socially immoral, and blamed God rather than Bin Laden. Wright said that we got attacked due to the bad things we’ve been doing to other countries for all these years and that it was predictable that they’d get payback for what we did, including killing innocent people. We were just getting back what we’ve wrongly been dishing out. That’s not to say we “deserved” it, any more than McCain, Bush, or Clinton would say innocent Iraqi’s “deserve” to die because of their war; but just that it was predictable.

    So while Falwell and Robertson were making a bigoted religious statement, Wright was just saying the same stuff most liberals believe; that we need to have a better foreign policy if we don’t want bad people blowing us up. The fact that Hillary’s supporters attack Wright for this just shows how little they want to know the truth, as it’s unlikely they’d disagree with what he said on the subject.

    BTW, I’m speaking only of the “chickens come home to roost” sermon, and not the “God damn America” sermon, as I’m not sure that was directly related to 9/11 and the chickens one definitely was. I also agreed with what he said on the “God damn America” sermon, though I definitely wouldn’t have put it that way.

  • Things will only get more hectic when a little-noticed interview on NY1 channel’s “INSIDE CITY HALL” on Tues March 25, 2008 reaches national attention. A prominent political legend, Percy Sutton, indicated that he had used his political influence to personaly grease the skids to get Obama into Harvard Law, at the request of a lawyer named “Kahlid” who was at the time representing an apparently oil-rich overseas potentate.

  • People who live in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones! Many of us wouldn’t have been in the same house on six occasions while I husbands were having sexual relations with Monica Lewinsky! She chose to stay married to him, that’s says much about her judgment!

    Additionally, her statements regarding her trip to BOSNIA isn’t the first time she “misspoke” aka LIED! Ask the soldiers at the hospital in California whether she watched them wheeling themselves while in excruciating pain —she arrived 30 minutes late! How the hell would she have known what they did?

    The media needs to call her out for her lies! REALLY!

  • People who live in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones! Many of us wouldn’t have been in the same house on six occasions while our husbands were having sexual relations with Monica Lewinsky! She chose to stay married to him, that’s says much about her judgment!

    Additionally, her statements regarding her trip to BOSNIA isn’t the first time she “misspoke” aka LIED! Ask the soldiers at the hospital in California whether she watched them wheeling themselves while in excruciating pain —she arrived 30 minutes late! How the hell would she have known what they did?

    The media needs to call her out for her lies! REALLY!

  • When Hillary was a member of the board of directors for six years at Walmart (which she does not list on her resume, but is included in her “35 years of experience”), and one of her mentors and fellow board members said “Labor unions are nothing but blood-sucking parasites living off the productive labor of people who work for a living.”

    http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/story?id=4218509&page=1

    Why is it that Hillary didn’t quit the board of directors immediately? It’s true you can’t choose your family but you can choose your church. Hillary may have heard, though, that tolerance, compassion and forgiveness are “supposed” to be major parts of any religion. Hillary would quit her church if she disagreed with her pastor but would happily stay for 6 years as Wal-mart directors call labor union members “blood-sucking parasites.”

    Is this who you want running the country?

    I think we need a new word for Hillary: hyperactive hypocrisy = hypercrisy.

  • So Clinton would disown the Preacher Man, but then does a photo-op with the leader of the VRWC? Truly disgusting.

  • Well, the double standard continues to march on between Clinton/Obama. Both mainstream and cable news carried the story about Clinton’s ‘mispoke about Bosnia’ while only Fox carried the Wright’s story. CNN’s exclusive with Obama on the Wright story (after days of ignoring it) was a sham because Anderson did not ask any real questions. Clinton was called ‘liar’ while Obama was hailed as giving a historic speech when he is not only killing the party, he is also divisive, by not answering these real questions:

    1. why do you stay for 20 years?
    2. why do you still appoint Wright your adviser even though you remove him from the big event of announcing your candidacy?
    3. why do you still let your children go to the church to hear Wright’s anti-white and anti-american preaching?
    4. why do you not wear an American flag pin any more more?
    5. why do you pick a new pastor who also believes in Wright teaching?
    6. why do you do throw your grandma under the bus with a ‘typical white person’
    7. why do you incite the Blacks and throw them under the bus by making it sound like all Blacks believe in Wright teaching?
    8. why do you contribute large sum of $ to Wright?

    Given this blatant discrimination, Clinton should be commended for fighting back! She may end up be the ‘savior’ for the democrats because of many people are now very concerned about Obama’s anti-american and anti-white’s belief.

  • Clinton is doing a good job. I was for Obama at first, but not now. It appears Obama is ‘star struck’ & will say anything to be in the news. He does not stick to polititics. If he wants to be a star, he needs to head for CA.

  • Bush, Clinton, Bush, Clinton….Are you people nuts? What about rest of us? You don’t need to be a rocket science or Einstein to figure out what this woman is about? Only those with missing some brain cells, or on drugs would support her. Bill needs a job and White House feels like home to him. She is $9 million in debts and she wants to get it back…wouldn’t you?

    People!!! start thinking, otherwise we will end up with J McCain – extension of Bush, unless you are happy what Bush did to this country.

  • I would like to blame Hillary on the continued focus on Pastor Wright who we all know is not running for the presidency. But it’s not her. It’s the media and she’s using it to deflect and obfuscate her lying, which some have described as congenital. Every newsmedia outlet and every journalist knows that Pastor Wright’s most incendiary remarks were from speeches given by MALCOLM X. If the newsmedia and journalists were being honest, they would run Pastor Wright’s speeches in their entirety so everyone could see that he was providing a “footnote” to American history.

    Here’s what I don’t quite understand. Hillary Clinton’s father Hugh Rodham used the N-word in reference to African Americans on a regular basis – up until he died in 1993 – after Bill Clinton took office. Like her father, Hillary Clinton was a died hard Republican and campaigned for Barry Goldwater who was vehemently oppsed to the 1964 civil rights bill. The newsmedia has not asked Hillary Clinton how sitting at the knee of a racist throughout her childhood and into adulthood has affected her view of race relations. We know she bought some of the rhetoric because she attended the 1968 Republican convention. She is also a member of the Methodist church which was not integrated until the 1980s. It was not integrated because – y aknow – many of the church members didn’t want to worship with non-European Americans.

    Now we find out that Hillary is not just a liar but a crazy liar.

  • Ms. Clinton now decides to comment on Mr. Wright’s sermon. It is my hope Ms. Clinton continues in a way that is fair to all. When she campaigns in HEAVY CATHOLIC Penn. be sure to admonish the Catholics that have Priest that are having sexual relations with thousands of young boys. It is my hope that she is consistent enough to tell those voters they should have left the Catholic church!!

  • If the MEDIA would have done a background check last year on Obama like they shined the spotlight on Hillary for the past 16 years, the voters would have KNOWN about Rev Wright and Obama would not have been SLIGHTLY ahead at this point. Heck Edwards probably would have been in the race longer than Obama! For all ranting the Obama bloggers like to spew on Hillary, their candidate is ahead by only 1-2%! So are you so SCARED that the MEDIA will finally find something that makes Obama truly unelectable that you can’t wait to see what the VOTERS in the final primaries think of Obama’s electability??? If this were the INDY 500 Obama would be declared the winner on lap 300, or the Giants would have just given the Super Bowl trophy to the Patriots before the game was over! Check out the Gallup poll! (47%-46%).

  • During the Clinton presidency, Bill and Hillary Clinton attended Foundry United Methodist Church. The senior minister at that church released the following comment on Rev. Jeremiah Wright.

    “The Reverend Jeremiah Wright is an outstanding church leader whom I have heard speak a number of times. He has served for decades as a profound voice for justice and inclusion in our society.
    He has been a vocal critic of the racism, sexism and homophobia which still tarnish the American dream. To evaluate his dynamic ministry on the basis of two or three sound bites does a grave injustice to Dr. Wright, the members of his congregation, and the African-American church which has been the spiritual refuge of a people that has suffered from discrimination, disadvantage, and violence. Dr. Wright, a member of an integrated denomination, has
    been an agent of racial reconciliation while proclaiming perceptions and truths uncomfortable for some white people to hear. Those of us who are white Americans would do well to listen carefully to Dr.
    Wright rather than to use a few of his quotes to polarize. This is a critical time in America’s history as we seek to repent of our racism.
    No matter which candidates prevail, let us use this time to listen again to one another and not to distort one another’s truth.”

    Dean J. Snyder, Senior Minister
    Foundry United Methodist Church
    March 19, 2008

  • TR, @44,

    One of the reasons I trust the Repub crossovers for Obama more than I trust the same crossovers for Clinton is that some of those crossovers happened early. In my locality (small town in south-western VA), the exodus began in ’06, when Jim Webb started running for Senate. He was, maybe, too “moderate” (read: conservative) for me, but he was just fine for those old-time Republicans who’d been sickened by the whole Bush/Cheney mess and were looking for the way out. So I saw a lot of crossovers then. In fact, the largest fundraiser we had in town was in the house of an ex-Repub, and the guy has stayed active on the Dem side since. And he wasn’t the only one So that’s one reason I trust those crossovers.

    The second reason is that the — more numerous — crossovers for Obama (this year’s primaries) started before the Repubs had their anointed nominee. Until McCain got the number of delegates requiredd to make his nomination inevitable, true Repubs had no reason to cross over; they had their own contest to try and influence. But, once McCain became a certainty, they were free to turn to meddling in our primaries. Which they did — in Texas and Ohio — coming out not for Obama, but for Clinton. As directed by Limp-whatever.

    So the Time article only confirms my own observations: Repub crossovers for Obama were honest, while Repub crossovers for Clinton were manipulative.

  • Susan – I’d love for Obama to come to California. Right after he wins the election. Methinks you mistake the American public’s desperate call for change as fawning adoration for one man. Frankly I’d take a sincere man like Obama and all the screaming crowds that come with him over traitorous jumping in bed with the Republican hate machine like Hillary is doing any day.

  • Report This! Obama refused to disavow a man whose hatred for America is so intense that he mocked the 9/11 MURDERS and said that America got what it deserved. Obama refused to disavow a man who hates America so much that he fabricated a bizarre fairy tale about our country inventing the AIDS virus to kill African Americans. Obama refused to disavow a man who screamed, “God d*mn America”!!
    But there is icing on this cake: to defend the hater Wright, Obama consciously destroyed the reputation of the woman who raised, loved and educated him from the age of ten years on. This is an elderly widow, alone in the world and with no means to defend herself from what well may be a false accusation–a stab in the back from a treacherous and ungrateful grandson. He threw her under the bus while embracing a racist, anti-American nutcase.. That’s an unforgivable sin. Has there ever been anything lower or more vile in American politics? NO decent person could vote for this guy

  • I think alot of this is ironic. As a person of faith, I feel a sense of understanding of the postion Senator Obama found himself in with his pastor. Here is an individual who changed your religous and spritual outlook on life, and for a Christian, that is big. And yes, what Wright said was wrong.

    But if I was on the fence about him before as president, as a person, I found a new respect for him with this Wright situation. He acknowledged Wright as wrong and denounced, rejected, or, whatever the word of refuting we are using today, the comments. But he didn’t destroy the person. He left room for forgiveness. I think that spoke volumes for his spirituality.

    Here is the irony. Senator Clinton, in her attempt to get away from the Bosnia lie, I mean misspeak (Is it that hard to call someone a lie in politics), decided to speak out on the Obama situation, which I understand, that’s politics, diversion, get away from your issues by speaking on anothers.

    But I think Senator Clinton is lying, again. I think she would have forgiven Wright also, as many us would have. I think we all have witnessed someone that has done wrong and we forgave them because we saw something in them that created the option of forgiving.

    From past events, I think Senator Clinton has the capacity of forgiveness in her heart regardless of what many people think of her. I personally feel that regardless of the campaign she is running, “Kitchen Sink” or “Tanya Harding”, she understands what it means to see more in a person than the act they committed in which we may judge them on.

    I agree with Senator Clinton, we don’t choose our family, but we do choose our pastor, the same way we choose our spouses. And I remember during the Monica L. situation and impeachment and the lie (I did not have sexual relations with…Lying and politics, wow!), I remember alot of people demanding that she leave President Clinton. But she didn’t, she loved him, and forgave him.

    And I remember in the midst of that time, remember arguing with the young lady I was dating at the time that none of us should judge her, because none of us know the the love of complexity of their relationship. I feel the same way about Wright and Obama.

    So ironically, Senator Clinton should remember her own ability to forgive when the rest of the world felt she shouldn’t and understand Senator Obama’s decision to reject the comments, but forgive the person.

    But then again, this is politics, and her long term (And short term) memory struggles.

  • Mindy@28 : I agree completely. I’ve actually started watching Wright’s sermons as a result of the controversy and I’ve found all of them to be amazing so far.

  • Hillary’s Nuclear Option Position It Either Me or John McCain

    I am frighten for this country and the Democratic Party because it appears that the Clintons have decided on the nuclear option for the 2008 Presidential election. She doesn’t care if she splits the country or the Democratic Party apart in the process. Hillary Clinton actions and words demonstrate that the next President of the United States will be either her or John McCain.

    Evident of the above-mentioned statement that it’s either Hillary or McCain is found in the Limbaugh and Clinton connection. After Limbaugh ran into Bill Clinton in a NYC restaurant in May 2007 he had to explain his civil behavior to his outraged audience. Fast-forward to February 2008, and the two political archrivals may have formed an alliance.

    On February 29, 2008, Laura Ingram was the guest host on The O’Reilly Factor. Ingram interviewed Rush Limbaugh. In an effort to secure victory for the Republican Party Limbaugh urged Republican voters in Texas to vote for Hillary Clinton in the Democratic primary in Texas.

    On Tuesday March 4, 2008, Clinton won both primaries in Texas and Ohio. Later that week Bill Clinton appeared as a guest on The Rush Limbaugh talk radio show and was interviewed by a guest host because Rush was not present. This is appalling, why hasn’t Senator Clinton denounced and rejected Limbaugh’s endorsement? Both Clinton know that the Republicians are voting for her and that this may destroy our chances for winning in November.

    I am having a reality check about the pending election process and the fact that this country is going “backwards.” I voted for Bill and supported him during his impeachment ordeal. I wouldn’t vote for Hillary if her name was the only name on the ballot. I am amazed that some black are still supporting the Clintons. I cannot wrap my brain around the fact that 16 percent of Black voters cast ballots for Senator Clinton in Texas.

    Additionally, why would Congresswoman Shelia Jackson-Lee or any other Black elected official continue in their roles in Senator Clinton’s campaign? What can their girl Hillary say to them after Bill has embraced right wing talk radio hosts led by Limbaugh? What post or job is worth selling the hopes and dream of a one’s race to a couple that would do and say anything to return to the White House?

    Vera Richardson is the author of “A Case of Racial Discrimination and Retaliation Real or Imagined.”
    http://search.barnesandnoble.com/booksearch/isbnInquiry.asp?r=1&EAN=9780615177014

  • I agree with the person who wrote that the crossovers that were made early in the campaign were crossovers because people believed in the candidates and what s/he was saying. Now the crossovers are due to pressure to switch due to media hype.

    I also agree with the person who said that we are now starting to listen to the whole Wright sermon and coming away with an entirely different view of it. It is beginning to bring a positive light into this ugly scenario. People are talking candidly about race and are appreciative of Obama’s comments more now than a week ago.

    In another article today Bill Clinton said we should argue – it’s politics after all!
    Arguing is not the answer by any means. It causes friction and will backfire – mark my word. I just hope that Obama doesn’t feel cornered into being negative beyond having to defend himself – and hopefully does it professionally. I am glad he is forging ahead and discussing issues.

    People must think that Obama lives with his pastor. He attends church there. There are many, many other people in his life that he encounters every day who influence his life more.

    Like Bill Richardson said, there is something about him that brings hope, and a new view on the future. I think we need that. We can’t get much more race-sensitive than we have been these past few weeks, and Obama’s background and vision can help us past this.

  • “Whatever you say about her campaign style, we’d still have to vote for her because she’d be a thousand times better than McCain.” I’ve been saying this as much as anyone. After this, I can’t say it any more. There are just so many lines she could cross before it becomes necessary to say that ‘as awful as a McCain presidency would be, her campaiging has been so destructive and meretricious that if she is the candidate, she doesn’t deserve my vote, regardless of the alternative.’ (That doesn’t mean I’d vote for McCain either. There’s a write-in slot, and I’ll vote for Obama there if I have to.)

    If we get the House and Senate majorities I expect — with slightly less certainty since she’s been conducting her scorched earth policies — we might be able to survive a couple of years of McCain and a couple of years of his VP. But if our party means anything we cannot afford to make her our candidate.

    (I can’t take credit for the Tonya Harding line — see above — but I’ll be glad to accept it for this analogy.) With her cozying up to Scaife, how does this differ from a woman who’s been raped and then contacts her rapist to help him ‘do his thing’ against a rival of hers?

  • Let me ask one thing. How many of you live in states or Congressional Districts who have superdelegates currently pledged to Hillary? How many of you have contacted their offices and challenged them on this, or told them that you will stop supporting them if they don’t withdraw their support from her — using the Wright comments, the Scaife connection, the ‘McCain is better than Obama’ comments, and the other specifically anti-Democratic tactics as reasons? If you haven’t, why not? (I’m becoming a pest to Rep. Yvette Clarke on this matter, though it won’t be until tomorrow that I will be using the ‘don’t vote for her if you want me to vote for you’ argument.)

  • “If Obama were to become president, what would stop Mr. Obama from appointing Mr. Wright to his cabinet?”

    I have read stupid things in these comments, but this is by far the stupidest.

  • So, Hillary was just answering the question that was asked of her….

    Even though her responses were very carefully worded and written on notes she kept referring to…

    Does anyone think the question itself was asked by a “plant”? She’s used this tactic before, why not now? Anything to win…

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