Casey for VP?

The significance of high-profile endorsements in a presidential race is certainly debatable, but I’m certain that the Obama campaign was thrilled to pick up Sen. Bob Casey’s (D) support yesterday in Pennsylvania. Casey’s a major player in a key state; he may help Obama connect with white, working-class voters who’ve been skeptical about his candidacy; and the timing of the announcement helps feed the impression that Obama is surging ahead.

But I nevertheless think talk about Casey as a potential running mate for Obama is misplaced. Noam Scheiber makes the case for the pairing.

[Casey] may not be a star in the Senate, as Eve points out. But he’s popular with the people Obama is weakest among, and who, if Obama were the nominee, would be at greatest risk of defecting to McCain. (Also, don’t confuse inside-the-beltway reviews with home-state appeal.)

Pennsylvania defections are a real concern for Obama given how close the state’s been in recent elections. It’s a state that, under any conventional electoral map, the Democratic nominee has to carry. I’d bet the idea of putting Casey on the ticket has come up in Obamaland in recent days. […]

Which brings me to the next point: I’m guessing the audience for this endorsement is Casey’s fellow superdelegates as much as it’s voters in Pennsylvania. It says to the supers: “Don’t worry about white working-class defections. Bob Casey is going to help me lock down that demographic, and we’re not going to have trouble holding this state.” That may or may not be true, but it does send a powerful message. (Not as powerful as Obama actually doing well among white working-class voters in the primary, but still pretty powerful.)

Andrew Sullivan, independent of Scheiber’s argument, also touted Casey as “another interesting one to put on the veep list,” in part because Casey is a “pro-life Catholic from Pennsylvania.”

It’s not a ridiculous pitch, but I’m having trouble going for it.

First, Casey, as Sullivan notes, opposes abortion rights. Pro-life politicians can go very far in Democratic politics — Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid is a good example — but just as Republicans would balk at a pro-choice candidate on the party’s national ticket, it’s very hard to imagine Dems putting a pro-life pol on their ticket. This is especially true given the fact that the Supreme Court will be on Dems’ minds in this election.

Second, Casey would likely help lock down Pennsylvania, but I think there’s ample evidence that either Obama or Clinton would win the state anyway.

Third, Scheiber argues that Casey could help Obama win over white working-class voters. Maybe, but how well known is Casey outside of Pennsylvania? If the goal is to look to the Rust Belt for candidates who could help with this demographic, I’d much prefer Sherrod Brown of Ohio.

And fourth, this is kind of awkward to say about a senator I like, but Casey really isn’t a terrific politician. He’s kind of bland, and he cruised to an easy victory in 2006 because of very high name recognition (Caseys are a big deal in Pennsylvania) and because Rick Santorum had become something of a laughing stock. Isaac Chotiner reminds us:

Political junkies may remember that in 2006 Casey destroyed Rick Santorum in a Pennsylvania senate race noteable for its nastiness. While there may be no denying the fact that Casey’s 17-point margin of victory was unprecedented for a contested campaign in a purple state, Casey’s win can still be explained in large part by his name ID and the unpopularity of his opponent.

Moreover, watching the televised debates between Santorum and Casey was extremely disturbing–and not because they reminded the viewer that a bullying moralist was elected to two senate terms. Rather, I cannot think of any debate that I have ever seen at the Congressional level or higher where one of the candidates (Casey, alas) appeared so completely inexperienced and even confused. Some people found Santorum’s hysterical anger inappropriate–but I actually felt bad for the Republican incumbent. Here he was–a hardworking, knowledgeable senator–facing the fight of his life against a state treasurer who rarely showed up for work and had absolutely no command of the issues.

I am willing to believe that Casey has “grown” in office, but the man who debated Rick Santorum less than two years ago is in no way qualified to be vice president. And for that reason alone, it’s unlikely Obama will actually choose him.

Agreed. A welcome endorsement at a key time is one thing, but considering Casey for the VP slot seems like a pretty bad idea.

I don’t think it’s a possibility– Casey is good for Obama while campaigning in PA but I can’t see him bringing enough to the ticket to be his VP. Most Dems I know, myself included, only supported Casey because he was running against Santorum and because our other senator is a pro-choice Republican, so they more or less cancel each other out on the issue of choice.

Yeah, you don’t have to say it, PA is a pretty strange place politically.

  • Casey will be most valuable to an Obama administration right where he is—in a Senate held by a Democratic majority that should grow by at least 3—to maybe 5 or 6—votes, beginning in January of next year. I’ve still got to go with Richardson as the VP on the ticket; not because of the Latino vote, but rather that he’ll give a good Southwestern/West-Coast regional balance.

    Imagine a presidential election where we not only whomp the GOPer candidate into the sand, but leave that GOPer candidate without a victory in his own state.

  • Chuck Hagel is the best choice for Obama’s veep, he would cut into Mccain’s support

  • Casey is down on a list that includes Bill Richardson, Jim Webb, Chris Dodd, Hillary Clinton (yes, I still believe that she will be on a short list).

  • CB: Agreed. A welcome endorsement at a key time is one thing, but considering Casey for the VP slot seems like a pretty bad idea.

    Yes. But I’m happy to see pundit speculation on Obama’s VP.
    Isn’t it time to start treating the presumptive nominee as the presumptive nominee?

  • My short list includes only governors: Janet Napolitano (AZ), Bill Richardson (NM), Kathleen Sebeliu (KS), Christine Gregoire (WA)

  • It says to the supers: β€œDon’t worry about white working-class defections.

    Whenever I see the terms “white working-class”, “blue collar” and “Reagan Democrats”, a bell goes off. These are the new euphemisms that the Republican friendly media use for “bigot”. I don’t know Noam Schreiber, but so far I care about his opinion about as much as Pat Buchanan’s.

  • I agree with Ed. A governor would be the best choice because it balances Obama’s experience with another, valuable type of experience. Furthermore, pulling a sitting Senator doesn’t seem like a very good idea to me.

    I’m of two minds on a female running mate. I’d love to see it for the balance; however, i’m afraid that a lot of female, Clinton supporters would take it as the boy’s club throwing women a bone.

    I’m not fan of Al Gore, but he might make a politically inspired choice for VP if he was given the mandate of working almost solely on the environment. That would sew that issue up (though might produce a little bit of red/purple backlash) and might appease all the people who dream of returning to the 90’s.

    A Republican should be out…though there should be some independent/moderate Republicans in an Obama cabinet. A well respected, red-state governor would be the best option…in my opinion.

  • Ed, aren’t you forgetting Montana Gov. Brian Schweitzer? He’s the best of the bunch– the second-most inspiring orator in the party (second only to Obama himself). Schweitzer may not be well-known in the rust belt, but it will only take a few speeches in those states in order to have them locked up. Schweitzer is rural, white, and Catholic– the perfect balance to an urban black Protestant– and is known for his uncanny ability to convince the proverbial “joe sixpacks” out there to vote Democratic. Furthermore, Schweitzer’s direct, tough style makes him the perfect “attack dog” to go after McCain. He’d provide the right similarities to Obama– an agent of change who appeals to independent and Republican voters– while also bringing the right contrasts. I hope the Obama campaign is thinking along these lines!

  • (yes, I still believe that she will be on a short list). Tom B. @4

    Specifically, that would be the “long leap off the short edge of an airborne Boeing 767” list—yes?

  • Like #10, so far I’m hoping for Schweitzer for VP, but there’s lots of other reasonable choices. I would have included Hillary, but I think she did herself too much damage with her fake war stories – you’d get GOPers making her a laughing-stock by cocking their fore-fingers and thumbs and mock-shooting at her.

  • I agree it needs to be a governor, ideally one from the West or Southwest. Schweitzer would be a perfect choice for sure.

  • Steve, you are probably right (comment #11). I just take Obama at his word when he said that Hillary would be on anyone’s short list. And I guess, despite my age, I’m naive, but I still find an Obama-Clinton ticket appealing. It wasn’t so many weeks ago (remember the California debate) when talk of this match-up was exciting voters?

    Imagine if Hillary said to Obama, “I will announce that I’m dropping out of the race today if you will announce that you will endorse me as the VP.” That would be tempting. No?

  • My revised short list includes only governors: Janet Napolitano (AZ), Bill Richardson (NM), Kathleen Sebeliu (KS), Christine Gregoire (WA), Brian Schweitzer (MT)

  • interesting comments on obama VP candidates. even given the pressure from the DNC i don’t see billary getting the nod — neither would be very comfortable, and i’m not sure it’s as dreamy as advertised. besides, there’s talk that she might go for the NY governorship in light of the continuing scandals, continue the subterfuge (continued implicit mccain support in hopes that he wins and he’s one term) and lie (sic) in the weeds until 2012.

    in general terms i think the VP candidate needs to be male & white (too many variables could heisenberg the ticket), southern-leaning, with military creds. jim webb fits that bill.

  • naaaww.. bill richardson is still the best bet for a VP .. imo .. he’s got national name recognition .. top level gov’t experience .. and that “southwestern chipolte” flavor as steve noted ..

    and hillary ?? ..after all this late sciafe/fox news gig .. pfffbbbllttt .. she needs to stay in the senate .. imo .. just as casey does .. and webb does .. why pick the democratic senators out of the nw senate .. unless they go to fill cabinet posts ..

  • Jkat, here’s an idea I thought of after reading your comment. Just don’t shoot me before you read the ‘ENTIRE” post, as there is a rather maniacal methodology (insert evil-genius-laughter soundtrack of your choice here) to my madness:

    1.) Put Obama in the White House.

    2.) Make Joe Lieberman Secretary of Homeland Security (thus getting him out of the Senate).

    3.) As soon as Lieberman’s seat is filled, divide all Homeland Security functions amongst CIA, CID, and Justice/FBI—then completely do away with DHS—effectively removing Lieberman from the Federal government altogether. He can join his “buds” on FauxNews and complain about how America disenfranchised his evil little butt.

  • Steve: (Comment #19)
    You said exactly what I’ve been thinking. Give Leibermann the goodbye kiss. Then look for other Republican Seantors that could legitimately serve in an Obama administration and who come from states with Democratic governors.

    And while you’re at it, appoint an existing Supreme Court Justice to a cabinet post and … As Aerosmith once sang, Dream On.

  • i like it steve .. i really do .. i’d left leiberman of of my musings .. preferring to imagine the world without him .. i mean he’s just so fair n’ balanced eh .. so middle-of-the road [could someone run him over .. pleeasse ]

    OT.. but Slate has a Hillary Deathwatch going now .. giving her a only a 10.5% chance of getting the nod …

    and i’ll never shoot ya steve… without firing a warning shot first .. lol

  • Agree with the many posters above. Leave the Senators alone, please; we need them where they are (except Joe LIEberman, of course; Seve’s solution @19 is brilliant, though I wonder if Joe LIE would fall for it). Pair him off with a Governor (Richardson would be good; not only has plenty of experiece but some exposure as well, having run for prex) and you get the two kinds of experience : legislative (Obama) and executive (the Governor).

  • Casey’s fine but Jim Webb is the most logical pick as Obama’s Vice President . . . . . . sss

  • Partisans for Obama…

    are about the most ADHD-addled group I’ve ever witnessed. Each new endorsement for Obama brings out the “[fill in the blank] for Vice President,” something I just love about the left hemisphere blogosphere pundit-to-politician rhetoric.

    Anybody who can spend as much time as they do tapping away at computer keyboards has no clue about real life and it just continues to show how shallow in living these techno-geeks are.

  • 25. mabelle said: Anybody who can spend as much time as they do tapping away at computer keyboards has no clue about real life and it just continues to show how shallow in living these techno-geeks are.

    {…mabelle says as she taps away at her computer keyboard…}

  • Forgive me, but can someone who knows Bob Casey convince me that he is not a “not very bright and completely uncharismatic” individual? This is how he comes across to me when I have seen him in Senate hearings, so I am hard-pressed to imagine him in any national role. Add that he is pro-life and that really sinks him in my eyes.

    The proposed strategy for politically “86’ing” Joe Lieberman is – like winning the lottery – a very pleasant fantasy. Joe’s ego might be too big for him to turn down a bite at that apple, but I suspect he would see the writing on the wall and find some means to weasel out of it – and expose himself as the self-interested bastard he is rather than the honorable morality patriot he likes to imagine himself to be. Any political strategy for getting Lieberman out of the Senate before CT voters get the chance to kick him to the curb deserves consideration in my book.

  • Casey will face the same problems as some Clinton supporters in districts where Obama won, voter backlash. I doubt the voters in PA will forget this.

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  • 29. jacksmith said: YOU MIGHT BE AN IDIOT:-)

    i get it — a takeoff on the jeff foxworthy bit. might resonate more over on the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review blog. but anyway, to continue the routine:

    You Might Be An Idiot!

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  • First, you’re wrong about Casey’s record. He has a record of substantial accomplishments as the Auditor General of Pennsylvania. He exposed and stopped Republican corruption in the state. Casey has deep command of the issues and is intelligent. He performs best in one on one situations, but he’s a good speaker too. Putting a pro-life candidate on the ticket isn’t a bad idea. 1/6 of Democrats are pro-life; I’m one of them. It’s time that we feel included in the party again. If the issue of abortion was off the table, many others in the rust belt and the midwest would think about issues which favor the Democratic Party–Iraq, the economy, etc. I think that a pro-life running mate would lock up Pennsylvania, likely bring Ohio and Virginia and possibly put states like North Dakota, North Carolina, Kansas and Nebraska in play. It’d be a smart move. Obama/Casey would be a good ticket.

  • I concur with The Caped Crusader – Schweitzer is mind-bogglingly brilliant. Don’t get caught up in the detail that bogglingly has only two vowels, or maybe three.

    I heard Edwards and Schweitzer speak together. Edwards got polite applause among a group of people who would have been expected to go wild for him. Schweitzer’s speech was greeted with a standing ovation. The guy connects, gruff, ornery, and righteous.

    I managed to corner him after the talk and posed some questions that would have made an ordinary politician punt. He didn’t. Iraq, gay marriage, abortion, global warming, race, class – you name it, he was ready to put them where they belonged, in a political spectrum, or within the lens of community or grassroots movement. He’s firmly rooted, and as able to move people with his speech as Obama.

    He expects the best of this country.

    I couldn’t imagine better.

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