McCain, Obama scratch their itch, wrangle over Iraq

Last week, Jonathan Martin noted that it seemed as if Barack Obama and John McCain were “itching” to take each other on directly: “They just can’t wait to go at it.”

And there is not just an appetite for blood, but some strategic political imperatives at work. In the science world, they call it “symbiotic.”

For Obama, it’s all about psychology and perception. The more he can set up a head-to-head narrative with the Republicans, the better to press his inevitability with superdelegates. […]

McCain and his campaign view Obama as something of a preening showhorse who hasn’t paid his dues, so naturally they were happy to engage. But they also have good reason to get in this scrap: Engaging Obama on a daily basis keeps them in a news cycle that is largely focused right now on the Dem primary back-and-forth.

Quite right. I don’t doubt that McCain and his team enjoy the benefits that come with a prolonged Democratic nomination fight, but they also don’t want to spend the next five months waiting on the sidelines while the Clinton-Obama show dominates the political world’s attention.

With this in mind, we saw a hint yesterday of a what a general election campaign might look, at least with regard to the debate over Iraq policy.

In one of their sharpest exchanges of the presidential campaign, Republican John McCain and Democrat Barack Obama clashed over the Iraq war on Monday, with each challenging the other’s credentials on national security.

Good. This is the way it’s supposed to be.

McCain goes on the offensive…

Responding to Obama’s frequent mocking of McCain’s suggestion that U.S. troops might remain in Iraq for 100 years, the Republican nominee-in-waiting said the Illinois senator failed to understand that America has kept forces in Korea, Japan, Germany and Kuwait long after wars in each country ended.

“In all due respect, it displays a fundamental misunderstanding of history, of how we’ve maintained national security, and what we need to do in the future to maintain our security in the face of the transcendent challenge of radical Islamic extremism,” McCain told reporters on his campaign plane.

“And I understand that, because he has no experience or background in any of it,” McCain added.

…and the Obama campaign fires right back.

Barack Obama doesn’t need any lectures from John McCain, who has consistently misunderstood American national security and the history of the Middle East in arguing for an invasion and 100-year occupation of a country that had nothing to do with 9/11. Instead of spending trillions of dollars on permanent bases that the Iraqis don’t want and that won’t keep the American people safe, Barack Obama will end the war in Iraq and finally press Iraq’s leaders to take responsibility for their future.

Obama is inexperienced, while McCain is misguided. There’s a good reason the Democrats want to have this debate in the fall — it’s eminently winnable.

As for broader context, I think we can glean a few tidbits from all of this. First, McCain is very sensitive about the whole “100 years” line, which suggests Dems might want to keep emphasizing it.

Second, I’m encouraged by the fact that the Obama campaign isn’t backing down when it comes to national security and/or foreign policy. McCain is used to getting a free ride; the sooner it ends, the better.

And third, it seems the best way for Hillary Clinton to engage at this point is to go after McCain, too. Yesterday, her campaign seemed largely focused on process — criticizing calls for her withdrawal and pushing for progress on Michigan’s and Florida’s convention delegates. This probably isn’t what the campaign wants right now: stories about McCain and Obama debating Iraq policy, while Clinton is addressing the nomination fight.

The more Clinton goes after McCain, the more McCain will have to respond, and the more that will generate attention for her campaign.

“The more Clinton goes after McCain, the more McCain will have to respond, and the more that will generate attention for her campaign.” Hmmm, thinking strategically, boosting positives, supporting Dem themes. Well, then, they clearly must not do that.

Better to find some new Obama supporting Dem demographic to insult. I know just the one. Female elected officials who support Obama. Must be traitors, 30 pieces of silver and all that.

  • McCain is very sensitive about the whole “100 years” line, which suggests Dems might want to keep emphasizing it.

    Agreed. It’s his I-voted-for-it-before-I-voted-against-it moment. The statement actually makes sense in context, but in our soundbite world of politics, the context just won’t be there.

    Plus, it’s impossible for McCain to escape. Any effort to explain it will undercut his image as a Straight-Talking Maverick™, but letting it go unchallenged only makes him look like he’s even more wedded to this foreign policy disaster than he already is.

    Obama’s pushback was good, but the campaign needs to remind people about the Iran/Al Qaeda mix-up, as that’s fresh in people’s minds. That’s a two-fer that reminds people (a) McCain’s expertise is a fraud and (b) he’s itching to go to war in Iran too.

  • Heres a good question to ponder. How does Obama expect to get Reagan democrats (white voters) in OH, PA, NJ or any of the other states where Hillary wins 66% of that vote to vote for him?

  • You can see exactly where the McCain camp is going with this since the right keeps saying that Obama said McCain “wants” to stay in Iraq for another 100 years (that’s not what Obama said as far as I can tell) and it’s yet another attempt to divert from the issue, which is that, same as Bush, there is no exit strategy.

    Homer

  • I’m not sure I understand why McCain wants to be in the news. He won the Rep nomination largely by letting his opponents fall into their various abysses, while the media largely left him alone, merely repeating the name of his bus. His best bet is that voters will conclude that Bush was merely incompetent – that a more able person with the same values will achieve the conservative dream of security, low taxes and hands-off approach to the economy. It should be an argument that Dems love, since Bush is not merely incompetent. The philosophy that drives them has brought us a stupid war, mining disasters, a devastated New Orleans, lead painted toys, deficit-driven economic instability, corruption in both government and business, millions without healthcare, a growing poverty class, a growing population of foreign born people who will most likely evolve into a socio-economic force united by ethnicity, and a culture that disdains tolerance.

  • How does Obama expect to get Reagan democrats (white voters) in OH, PA, NJ or any of the other states where Hillary wins 66% of that vote to vote for him?

    Clearly Obama has much work to do in the much coveted troll demographic.

  • Heres a good question to ponder. How does Obama expect to get Reagan democrats (white voters) in OH, PA, NJ or any of the other states where Hillary wins 66% of that vote to vote for him?

    Hard to say. You’re assuming that those voters would go for McCain over Obama if he were the nominee, which is about as plausible as bklack voters going for McCain over Clinton if she were the nominee, just because they’ve been voting for Obama in 80%+ margins.

    In any case, the latest polls from these kinds of states suggest that Obama runs better than Clinton against McCain. These are both just out from Rasmussen:

    Michigan:
    McCain 43, Obama 42
    McCain 45, Clinton 42

    New Jersey:
    McCain 46, Obama 45
    McCain 45, Clinton 42

    We’ll know more as the polling continues to roll in, but so far, it looks like there’s little difference. But if there is, Obama has a slight edge in these states.

  • Obama is going after McCain, nice change of pace after spending most of the past couple weeks attacking Clinton. Obama clearly wants to move past his recent attacks on Clinton, but the damage has been done.

    So what if she mis-spoke on Bosnia, Obama mis-spoke about invading Pakistan, the Kennedy family connection, NAFTA, Wright, but we don’t focus on that do we?

    The New York Times decided it was time to move past the whole Bosnia thing today too with this op-ed: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/01/opinion/01muscatine.html?_r=1&oref=slogin

    Now maybe we can put this thing to rest already and focus on Pennsylvania and the rest of the upcoming elections.

  • A new Gallup poll asking Democrats who has a better chance of beating McCain in the general election has it Obama 59%, Clinton 30%.

    Here come the supers….

  • A new Gallup poll asking Democrats who has a better chance of beating McCain in the general election has it Obama 59%, Clinton 30%.

    Well, duh.

  • I don’t think we need to take military advice from a man who, in spite having a father and grandfather who were four-star admirals, managed to finish fifth from the bottom of his Academy class of 899. A man whose heroism under fire consisted, not in scoring victorious sorties, but of getting shot down, captured and tortured. A man who can’t distinguish between Shi’a and Sunni.

  • I don’t doubt that McCain and his team enjoy the benefits that come with a prolonged Democratic nomination fight, but they also don’t want to spend the next five months waiting on the sidelines while the Clinton-Obama show…

    I am going to unpack this a bit:

    McCain is lucky to be on the sidelines right now. He goofball statements, errors, and policy blunders are falling down the rabbit hole. Sure, left blogosphere are recording the ineptness, but what about the national media?

    Here’s the thing: As each expose of his dummyhood (ie. McCain stumbles on HIV prevention) slips down the memory hole, he’s granted a reprieve to re-tune for the future.

    The chance to erode his character bit by bit over several months is draining away.
    And given that McCain is a media darling, that’s the only way to upbraid and degrade this guy. What’s needed is an extended campaign of erosion.

    Of course we can’t have that. Not because of the so-called Clinton-Obama show.
    Nope, let’s be fair here. This mal-focus has nothing to do with Barack.
    It is because the media and various dinosaurs in the democratic party insist we much honor thy Clintons.

    Facts:
    She can’t win. She is not going to win. She is a distraction. She has become a media whore and a drama queen. Anybody who tells you she is serving the interests of the Democratic Party right now is a liar or a republican mole.

  • “How does Obama expect to get Reagan democrats (white voters) in OH, PA, NJ or any of the other states where Hillary wins 66% of that vote to vote for him?”

    Let’s see, he might begin by pointing out that McCain is carrying water for Bush, not Reagan. Then he might point out that McCain is a Republican. Maybe they’ll drop the antiquated “reagan” and just be Democrats.

  • Like I said, Obama’s seriously underperforming among the crucial troll demographic.

  • Comeback Bill said:
    Heres a good question to ponder. How does Obama expect to get Reagan democrats (white voters) in OH, PA, NJ or any of the other states where Hillary wins 66% of that vote to vote for him?

    Once Obama has the nomination sewn up we’ll find out whether the Clinton supporters are members of the Democratic Party or the Hillary Party. I am hoping that Pres. and Sen. Clinton are telling the truth when they say that the most important thing for them is to see a Democrat in the White House in 2009. It will also be up to Jack Murtha, Ed Rendell and the rest of the Clinton supporters to show loyalty to their party and enthusiastically embrace the Democratic nominee.

    As for the Obama campaign, I think the best theme for them in the Fall will be, “Have you heard Barack Obama, or have you only heard other people tell you what he says?”

    Obama has the ability to sway people when he speaks. If enough people listen to him without the filter of the corporate-controlled media, he can win in November in a landslide.

    That’s why I finally decided to support him. It won’t be enough for Democrats to undo the damage of the Bush’s two terms. The people of the United States have to be persuaded that the “Reagan revolution” was a mistake or the country will continue its downward spiral. Doing that will require a once-in-a-generation orator.

    I have my fingers crossed. I’m not completely comfortable with Obama’s relatively slim record on the national level. But Obama is intelligent and seems to be honest. A president can surround himself with people who know how to get his initiatives though Congress. The trick is to find someone who can get elected and still have his soul intact afterwards.

  • 3. Comeback Bill said: Heres a good question to ponder. How does Obama expect to get Reagan democrats (white voters) in OH, PA, NJ or any of the other states where Hillary wins 66% of that vote to vote for him?

    Here’s the question I’m actually pondering. Do you even read CB’s posts, or do you just put up your off-topic musings that no one cares about in whatever the most recent post is? I don’t care how Obama expects to get any particular group to vote for him, he has plenty of well-paid advisers to work that out with.

  • The new trolls are here!

    Thanks for inspiring me to donate another $100 to Obama. Keep up the good work!

  • What about the troops in Germany and Japan. FDR put us there in the 1940’s and we are still there. Why??

  • Seeing how the trolls have already derailed the discussion:

    Senator Hillary Clinton’s lead in the Pennsylvania Primary is shrinking.

    The latest Rasmussen Reports telephone survey in Pennsylvania shows Clinton leading Barack Obama by just five percentage points, 47% to 42%. For Clinton, that five-point edge is down from a ten-point lead a week ago, a thirteen-point lead in mid-March and a fifteen-point advantage in early March.

    http://rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/pennsylvania/pennsylvania_democratic_presidential_primary

  • 23. SteveT said: The people of the United States have to be persuaded that the “Reagan revolution” was a mistake or the country will continue its downward spiral. Doing that will require a once-in-a-generation orator.

    That isn’t going to happen. Reagan has become a deity without most people even knowing any reasons why. Fighting against that is a losing argument, even though I personally agree he was a horrible President for what he started. Luckily everything that was bad about Reagan was magnified in the younger Bush so all Obama has to do is preach change from our current disaster and people will go along without realizing they are also repudiating St. Ronnie.

  • The WashigntonPost Fact Checker
    ABCNEWS.COM
    Senator Obama CAUGHT LYING about Kennedy Role in Helping His Father
    Contrary to Obama’s claims in speeches Kennedy family did not provide the funding for a September 1959 airlift of 81 Kenyan students to the United States that included Obama’s father. According to historical records and interviews with participants, the Kennedys were approached for support for the program a year later, July 1960. family responded with a $100,000 donation, which went to pay for a second airlift in September 1960.

    Obama was born in 1961. So Obama is saying that the Kennedy family financially supported the airlift in in 1959 that brought his father to the U.S. instead of the airlift in 1960 that they actually supported. Could it be that his father or his mother weren’t aware of that subtle distinction when they told young Barack how his father came to the U.S.?

    Well Hell, forget the campaign. Let’s get started on getting him thrown out of the Senate!

  • Shalimar said:

    That isn’t going to happen. Reagan has become a deity without most people even knowing any reasons why. Fighting against that is a losing argument, even though I personally agree he was a horrible President for what he started.

    Good point. But unless Democrats start to take on the brand name of Supply-side Economics and demonstrate to people that it is a fraud worse than any Ponzi scheme, the country is well and truly screwed.

    (Sorry for wandering off-topic)

  • Boy, trolls, trolls, trolls, trolls! (I just broke out in a new Willie Wonka Oompa Loompa song!)

    From a local IL blog; everything you want to know about Rezko. Not that the trolls will read it but for anyone who wishes to be informed:

    http://archpundit.com/index.php?s=rezko

    And I thought Obama’s statement on Pakistan was perfectly logical. Try listening to the entire sentence and paragraph, Greggy. I know having ADD is tough for some people, but try really, really hard. You can do it.

  • Better trolls, please. Who know how to use carriage returns, maybe?

    I know it’s too much to ask for coherence, so I won’t bother.

  • The new Rasmussen Reports for PA show Obama getting most of his support from voters who think the Iraq war is the most important issue. Hillary gets most of her support from those more worried about the economy.

    In the general election, with these kinds of numbers, for McCain it’ll be tails he loses, heads, Obama wins. (assuming tails is the war, and heads is the economy).

  • “the Republican nominee-in-waiting said the Illinois senator failed to understand that America has kept forces in Korea, Japan, Germany and Kuwait long after wars in each country ended.”

    What McCain leaves out of his argument is that we have troops stationed in 2/3rds of the nations on this planet. I’ll bet most of them have had wars at some point in their past.

    “According to the Defense Department’s annual ‘Base Structure Report’ for fiscal year 2003, which itemizes foreign and domestic U.S. military real estate, the Pentagon currently owns or rents 702 overseas bases in about 130 countries”

    What distinguishes Iraq from the other nations we have bases in is that we attacked Iraq with the “intent” of liberating them and are now occupying them and in the midst of their sectarian and religious civil war. Our leadership has failed to find any way to win this conflict due to hubris and outright stupidity and now our worldwide armed forces are at peril by being shackled to a quagmire of a conflict. We are hemorrhaging billions of dollars and thousands of lives, which we are not doing with our other bases, in the most foolish of manner and McCain wants to continue this waste to show an electorate that somehow perpetuating a horrible waste proves he has balls. What being involved in someone else’s civil war has to do with our peace-time bases in other parts of the world is a non sequitur.

  • I’m really looking forward to hearing Obama go toe to toe with Ol’ Man McCain, and I can understand why Obama is spoiling for this fight.

    I predict a match much like the match between Justine Henin and Svetlana Kuznetsova at the 2007 Open. (Henin basically mopped the tennis court with poor Kuznetsova).

    McCain has experience, but as a 72-year old Bush water carrier, I hardly see his experience as an appealing factor.
    Maybe in addition to Reagan Democrats, future pundits will discuss the Obama Republican vote.

  • In their discussion the potential 100-year occupation of Iraq, McCain puts right on display the most compelling reason (from the Neocon point of view) for the US invasion of Iraq and the eradication of the Saddam Hussein regime: To obtain by right of conquest a huge permanent military base in the center of the Middle East. Anything else would be gravy.

  • As far as the foreign policy experience thing, Obama needs to hammer McCain on the fact that McCain didn’t read the NIE on Iraq in 2002, and how could he decide a national security decision as important as that without reading the full brief….

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