Let’s play, ‘Imagine If A Democrat Had Said This’

Updated – See below

As a rule, insulting U.S. troops trying to keep you safe in Iraq doesn’t seem like an especially good idea. And yet, there was Rep. Patrick McHenry (R-N.C.), one of Congress’ most right-wing members, reflecting on his recent visit to Baghdad, and calling one soldier he met a “two-bit security guard.”

“We spent the night in the Green Zone, in the poolhouse of one of Saddam’s palaces. A little weird, I got to be honest with you. But I felt safe. And so in the morning, I got up early — not that I make this a great habit — but I went to the gym because I just couldn’t sleep and everything else. Well, sure enough, the guard wouldn’t let me in. Said I didn’t have the correct credentials.

“It’s 5:00 in the morning. I haven’t had sleep. I was not very happy with this two-bit security guard. And so you know, I said, ‘I want to see your supervisor.’ Thirty minutes later, the supervisor wasn’t happy with me, they escort me back to my room. It happens. I guess I didn’t need to work out anyway.”

Yes, poor Patrick McHenry. An American stationed in Baghdad followed orders on Green-Zone security only to get mocked by a conservative lawmaker who never wore a uniform. Classy.

Somehow, I have a hunch that if McHenry were a liberal Dem, and he called an American serviceman or servicewoman serving in Baghdad a “two-bit security guard,” it’d be quite a while until we heard the end of it.

As long as we’re playing “Imagine If A Democrat Had Said This,” we should also probably highlight Rep. Darrell Issa’s (R-Calif.) provocative thoughts on the 9/11 attacks.

The California congressman who called the Sept. 11 attacks “simply” a plane crash ran for cover Wednesday under a barrage of ridicule from fellow Republicans, first responders and victims’ families.

San Diego GOP Rep. Darrell Issa was under siege for suggesting the federal government had already done enough to help New York cope with “a fire” that “simply was an aircraft” hitting the World Trade Center. […]

Under pressure from all sides, the Golden State pol – who got rich selling car alarms after getting busted for car theft as a teen – pulled a partial U-turn. He issued a statement but cowered from the press.

“I continue to support federal assistance for the victims of the 9/11 terrorist attacks,” he said.

But he didn’t retract his wacked-out rhetoric claiming the feds “just threw” buckets of cash at New York for an attack “that had no dirty bomb in it, it had no chemical munitions in it.”

He went on: “I have to ask … why the firefighters who went there and everybody in the city of New York needs to come to the federal government for the dollars versus this being primarily a state consideration.”

I’m going to go out on a limb and say that if McHenry and Issa were Dems, Fox News would talk about nothing else for the foreseeable future.

Update: With regard to McHenry and the “two-bit security guard,” I referenced the guard as a member of the U.S. military based on the reports of multiple sources. McHenry’s office, among others, now argue that the guard was a contractor, not a U.S. serviceman or servicewoman.

Two points. First, as John Cole notes, the “Imagine If A Democrat Had Said This” game remains unaffected.

Second, as conservative Ed Morrissey notes, “Does this really make it any better? After all, the contractors risk their lives as well, albeit for better compensation.”

“… if McHenry and Issa were Dems, Fox News would talk about nothing else….”

Why limit it to Fox News? Substitute “TeeVee” and the sentence makes sense.

  • Oh, it wouldn’t be just Fox who did the 24/7 for about 365, it would be Rush and then CNN, MSNBC,ABC and others.

    But IOKIYAR. They could say that 9/11 was the best thing that ever happened to our country and it would be alright.

    There’s giving a pass and there’s handing those passes out. The MSM does the later. IT decides what is newsworthy (what is the most salacious, which can create the most ‘horror’ inducement from the talking drones, and that which will make their corporate keepers happy) and if they don’t like what might be (and usually is) newsworthy, it is ignored.

    And we wonder why people who watch any kind of mass media on the TeeVees are ill informed?

  • Don’t be surprised if, when Fox News does cover these stories, the captions for McHenry and Issa read “D” instead of “R.”

  • But I’m sure they had their flag lapel pins on when they said this crap so they must be true patriots!

    Republicans are pro-militarism but always show tremendous disdain for the actual human beings involved in the conflicts they adore. “Troops” to a right wingnut means agents of violence, the actual people that are the troops don’t mean a damn thing. They volunteered, of course, so what ever happens to the troops they had coming to them. The troops get to legally kill people which to a Republican should be reward enough for the price the troops pay for their service. Despite what the media keeps repeating, I hope it has sunk in to the American public and the Armed Forces themselves that Republicans do not in fact support the troops, Republicans are only for watching the troops blow other people up for the party’s political gain.

  • A two bit armchair “patriot” insulting an American Hero. Does it get any lower? They sure know how to pick em in Florida!

  • Maybe Patrick McHenry should show that “2 bit guard” how it’s done, and trade places for a few months.

    Asshole.

  • I suspect much of the reason Obama says “uh” and “you know” so much is that he is aware that every word will be parsed ad infinitum. The same is true with Pilosi and Reid, and it’s one of the reasons (not the only one) Dems have this aura of spinelessness. Meanwhile, Reps spout off their talking points with confidence, and know that if occasionally they say “death to America”, it will be overlooked.

    When history books are written about journalism in the early 21st Century, there will be few heros from television or newsprint.

  • All this actually proves is that McHenry and Issa are the two f#@king dumbest far right morons in office.

    News flash: this is not a news flash. There isn’t a month goes by that these two tenthwits don’t come up with something jawdropping on the stupidity scale.

    Issa is in office because all the retired lifers and morons, er, I mean Mormons, in northern San Diego County (nicest countryside on the planet, dumbest inhabitants) vote fore him. McHenry is a product of too many generations of hillbilly “inbreeding.” Who says biology doesn’t matter?

  • Yes, let’s explode yet another great modern American myth: the Republican party’s unwavering support for US service members.

    The Republicans and their leadership have shown nothing but contempt for the military and the Bush/Cheney/Rusmfeld cabal’s crass manipulation of the patriotism of the working class is nothing more than bullshit meant to facilitate the lining of the pockets of their friends running the industrial side of the Military-Industrial complex.

    Look how studiously they all avoided military service themselves. Wake up Soldiers! The Republicans always have, and always will, look down their milktoast noses at you. Don’t be fooled by the flagpins on the lapels of their $1,000 suits.

  • Deplorable, and highly offensive, but we have to be careful about stating that he said it about a Soldier.

    Nowhere in the quote, or in the video, did he say that it was a soldier. Quite possibly, it was a Contractor or other civilian.

    Now, that in no way makes it less appropriate (frankly, the guard would have done all of us a favor by using appropriate force to subdue an unidentified individual…….), but we do have to be careful about the distinction…

  • “It’s 5:00 in the morning. I haven’t had sleep. I was not very happy with this two-bit security guard.”

    And that “two-bit security gaurd” had been up since 5:00 p.m. the previous day, had to deal with hundreds of other jerk offs like you during that time, and was still looking at another 10 months in country while your happy ass got to go back to the States, asshole.

    “He went on: ‘I have to ask … why the firefighters who went there and everybody in the city of New York needs to come to the federal government for the dollars versus this being primarily a state consideration.'”

    Because it’s the federal government’s responsibilty to defend the country against foreign attack, and they failed in that capacity on that day?

    So does Issa believe that the Clinton administration wasted its time chasing down and prosecuting the plotters of the first World Trade Center attack, and that it should have been dealt with solely by the NYPD?

  • Repel-licons are idiots. My God Issa, what a callous piece of SHIITE you are. How do these people ever get elected to places of power over us?

    As far as the Fox News, excuse me, ‘Fixed Noise’ outlet, if you shove a buck, or the prospect of one, up their ass, they will do or say anything. Pastor Hagee, McSame’s ‘good friend’ called the Catholic Church the ‘Great Whore’, this worshiper of the ‘Prince of Peace’ wants to nuke Iran to accelerate the approach of Armageddon so that the Jews can be converted or banished to Hell, and he states that part of God’s retribution to Gays was Katrina. Actually, if Hagee looked around, he’d see the Repig party and their fake news outlets as the ‘Great Whores’. And I think there was something in the Bible about “Thou shall not kill”, a Commandment he and the Neocons he supports want to ignore. Didn’t Jesus have a major issue w/ the High Priests and their hypocrisy?

    It is clear that McHenry hates the US military and is a terrorist sympathizer. If the US military really cared about freedom, they’d protect his freedom to work-out whenever and wherever he wants to. If you don’t do what he wants, then you are a two-bit piece of crap. What’s that? He’s calling someone who risks his life everyday to ensure politicians like McHenry get to stay rich and in power? So what, it’s always OK to say anything if you are a rebutt-licker.

  • If Jesus tried to get through airport security today, he’d be labeled a terrist and sent to Gitmo.
    Blind men and the (GOP)Elephant, Aesop was a a visionary.

  • Will some trailblazing reporter go after McCain and see if he renounces things like these? After all, they are in the same party, right?

    I mean, on CNN the other day, they’re STILL talking about Obama’s pastor. Now, if Barack didn’t soundly lay to rest everything in his most recent speech, what more can the man do?

  • tom #18

    “they’re STILL talking about Obama’s pastor”

    Awesome. Given that any effect on popular opinion from vilifying Wright seems to be exhausted, it means they got nuthin’.

  • Rick Taylor Says:

    I don’t doubt that the right wing would have been frothing at the mouth if McHenry was a Democrat. On the other hand, it would have been completely dumb and we would have been defending him. After all, if you watch the whole clip, it’s clear from the context he was poking fun at himself for being arrogant and having that attitude, not the security guard. The story ends when he finds out that there’d been a rocket attack that hit the gym he’d wanted to go working in, so in the end he was saying they’d been safeguarding him and even suggested they might have saved his life.

    Actually, the really interesting thing about this story isn’t the two-bit security guard remark. The interesting thing is we’re over five years into this war, and in the safest most secure spot we’ve nailed down, the green zone, you can’t work out at the gym because the place gets shelled with rockets!

    Oh, and we’re winning thanks to the surge.

    Jeez.

  • Where are all the hillary supporters today? I had to go to talk left to get me some unhinged.

  • Pat McHenry 202-225-2576.

    Let him know you appreciate the fact the he was wearing his lapel pin when he degraded the sacrifice being made by an American soldier and his family.

  • Much like the media’s treatment of McCain’s idiocy on the Middle East (which one media guy even admitted would “be on a loop for weeks” if a Dem had made the same mistakes, though can’t remember who), all of these comments will get a free pass.

    Why?

    Well … it’s gotta be more than IOKIYAR, more than the GOP making media owners rich, and more than an over-reaction to the absurdly false claim of “liberal media bias.”

    It’s gotta be that political reporters and pundits just have certain narratives all worked out in advance, and will cover whatever fits that narrative.

    The narrative says the GOP is “strong on military issues and foreign policy,” so any time a Republican says something that goes against that narrative, they just ignore it.

    The narrative says Dems are hostile to religion. So when Obama’s preacher says some nutty things, everyone covers it.

    I could give literally dozens of examples, but those two are recent ones that truly highlight this dynamic.

    ALSO:

    We must all remember that any illusion of a media that is full of government watchdogs looking to inform the populace of the truth is, in fact, an illusion. It’s NEVER been that way — just ask William Randolph Hearst or, going further back, Thomas Jefferson (who ran possibly the most slanderous presidential campaign in history).

    Just because a few guys got it right with Watergate, Murrow and Chronkite were so incredibly smart and open, and Rather busted his ass and risked his life during VietNam, doesn’t mean those types have always been around. They were, in fact, anomalies, not a dime a dozen.

    Not saying we don’t have a legit beef or anything. Just sayin’ …

  • How do you know it was a soldier? How do you know it was an American? My guess is that it was probably neither, although I am as unsure as the author is.

  • I’m going to go out on a limb and say that if McHenry and Issa were Dems, Fox News would talk about nothing else for the foreseeable future.

    No, I believe they would still find plenty of time to talk about Jeremiah Wright.

  • Can’t we move questions like this from thought experiment to actual experiment? Get a liberal pundit/blogger and conservative pundit/blogger and lock them away without any access to television, newspapers, magazines, radio, Internet, etc. Give them stories stripped of names and political affiliations and let them comment.

    For practical reasons this would probably only work with the pundits in seclusion for brief periods of time – perhaps up to a week. But for a truly revealing experiment they would be locked away before the election, or even well before the election so they wouldn’t even know which way the presidential and congressional races were leaning. Start feeding them fact scenarios after there’s a new president (and they don’t know from which party) and a new congress (and they don’t know which party controls each chamber) and we’ll see how consistent their views are.

    Reality shows are popular these days, so maybe it can be it’s own television show: Pundits in a Cave.

  • In the soldier’s defense, McHenry looks and acts like he’s twelve. The “credentials” he was asking for were likely a hall pass.

  • THIS WAS TAKEN OUT OF CONTEXT AND NOT EVEN REFERRING TO A U.S. SOLDIER, IT WAS A CONTRACTED FOREIGN SECURITY SERVICE, GET IT RIGHT YOU LIARS!

  • If the “Two bit security guard” was not a soldier, he’s probably making $200,000 a year…

  • If “taking things out of context” was disallowed at fox news all they would show was the weather…

  • …Unless it was a foreign national, and then more likely $10k.

    Now, why they were guarding the gym, we’ll never know.

    Also, the military does contain two-bit security guards. It’s a valuable job. That’s why they have every soldier pull the duty at some point.

    …Tho that doesn’t mean it’s any fun. Or makes sense sometimes.

  • Translated Scotty:

    It was just a foreigner, probably one of them A-rabs. They don’t deserve our respect.

  • Let’s see – nothing in McHenry’s story says the guard was a US soldier; McHenery’s opponent only goes so far as to describe the guard as “a sentry protecting U.S. personnel in Iraq”; and last but far from least, the Weekly Standard asked McHenry, and was told that the guard was a foreign contractor, i.e,, a mercenary, i.e., screw ’em.

    But other than a complete absence of evidence, the story that McHenry was “insulting U.S. troops” looks like a winner!

    Personally, I deplore McHenry’s verbal and physical assault on a disabled US veteran whose father died in ‘Nam and whose mum is struggling to prevent a foreclosure on her home.

  • Democrats are not faultless in today’s problems. And neither are Republicans. The media selectively exercises their extreme bias all the time – anyone who happens to be on the opposite side of that bias calls “foul”. None of this is a new phenomenon.

  • The “soldier” was actually a foreign contractor. Still was classless on the part of McHenry, but the reporting that it was an American soldier is nothing less than inaccurate.

  • Whether the “two bit” security guard was a contractor or a soldier, McHenry’s words reveal his belief that he is the BMOtheGreenZoneC. He was not poking fun of himself. He actually waited 30 minutes to throw his weight around w/ the guard’s supervisor. Personally, I could not care less what this little creep says or thinks. And, I do not necessarily believe his characterization of the security guard. It certainly plays “less bad” if he is denigrating a contractor as opposed to a “troop” (one of my least favorite Bushism). I think 2 Manchu gets it right. The guard was doing his job. But in the eyes of this twit Congressman, he is “two bit,” nearly worthless. It is telling, and I think a Dem would be beaten up about it.

  • “But in the eyes of this twit Congressman, he is “two bit,” nearly worthless.”

    In the eyes of Kos, contractors are “mercenaries” and “screw them” after they’re killed and hung from a bridge. But I guess when a Republican says “two-bit”, it’s an outrage.

  • Let’s see, Mitch McConnell thinks it’s ok that they died considering they volunteered and Dick Cheney says “So?”, Anyone seeing a pattern?

  • Let every nation know, whether it wishes us well or ill, that we shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe to assure the survival and the success of liberty.
    This much we pledge–and more.

    Oh .. wait .. a Democrat did say that.

  • “Two points. First, as John Cole notes, the “Imagine If A Democrat Had Said This” game remains unaffected.”

    Right, and since the guard was a foreign contractor, the game of “What Would Lefties Say If Four Contractors Were Killed By Insurgents” remains unplayed. Oops, that actually happened!

    I referenced the guard as a member of the U.S. military based on the reports of multiple sources.

    Hmm, multiple sources citing the same video clip and the same press release, which did not itself claim the guard was a soldier. That is sort of like having one video clip and one press release as the source.

  • I like this game, too, though where I grew up we called it “Shoe On The Other Foot.”

    Here’s my current favorite. Imagine if the Democrats had nominated a Viet Nam vet who had been captured and held for YEARS as a POW. We would be treated to endless loops of every 70s movie and TV show where this stock character has flashbacks, strangles or knives someone, then blows his brains out. Also, lots of clips of Angela Lansbury and Frank Sinatra.

    It’s easy to blame the Dems, but the larger share of the blame belongs to the so-called media.

  • In the eyes of Kos, contractors are “mercenaries” and “screw them” after they’re killed and hung from a bridge. But I guess when a Republican says “two-bit”, it’s an outrage.

    Last I checked, Kos wasn’t elected to Congress as a representative of thousands of people — he’s one guy with an opinion who speaks only for himself.

    But please, do continue to try and compare apples to radiators.

  • “I don’t fall down. That son-of-a-bitch [Secret Service Agent] ran into me.”

    Oh .. wait .. a Democrat said that too.

  • “in the eyes of Kos, contractors are “mercenaries” and “screw them”

    Can you provide a link?

    As far as those contractors hung from the bridge they did get screwed, by their management. No Maps. They got lost and they got killed. There was an investigation going on, but Black Water and their counterparts are so far up the ass of this administration nothing is going to happen. Pretty much screwed by their own people, but hey, they signed up for this right? Isn’t that what Cheney said about the troops? Must be doubly true for the contractors, aye?

  • Lots of fun watching this story crash around the Moonbats’ ears. And they really thought they had a hot one!

    “That’s why they have every soldier pull the duty at some point.” Really? Does the fact that this statement is simply untrue matter at all? (Apparently not around here.)

    Fish, meet barrel.

  • That Issa, he’s Lebanese, isn’t he? Doesn’t that mean he’s an Islamic and so a terrorist and should not be allowed in this country at ALL and especially not in CONGRESS!!!!!

    /snark

  • Simple question.

    If you knew upfront that it was not a soldier, but a hired security guard, would you have
    done the story?

    Your answer will let you know whether or not it’s important.

  • “First, as John Cole notes, the “Imagine If A Democrat Had Said This” game remains unaffected.”

    So you got it wrong, but still you insist that you’re right.

    Well! My eyes are opened. You are right because you are right. Who could argue with such logic?

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