Cheney’s mendacity knows no bounds

There are probably some grounded, half-way reasonable arguments against withdrawing U.S. troops from Iraq, but the fact that the White House keeps relying on sheer nonsense suggests the Bush gang can’t think of any, either.

Consider Dick Cheney’s remarks on Sean Hannity’s radio show yesterday.

HANNITY: If we pull out too early, what do you believe the consequences would be? […]

CHENEY: For us to walk away from Iraq I think would have at least that bad an effect, probably worse, because if al Qaeda were to take over big parts of Iraq, among other things, they would acquire control of a significant oil resource. Iraq has almost 100 billion barrel reserves, producing 2.5-3 million barrels of oil a day. If you take a terrorist organization like al Qaeda and give it that kind of revenue, there’s no telling the amount of trouble they could get into.

It’s hard to overstate how ridiculously far-fetched this is.

What’s especially striking about this is that the president, about three weeks ago, emphasized the same point. Bush insisted that if we withdraw, there will be chaos in Iraq, which would lead al Qaeda to acquire Iraq’s oil. At that point, the president said, the terrorist network “could pursue its ambitions to acquire weapons of mass destruction and to attack America and other free nations.”

How groundless is the argument? Asked to explain how this is even possible, the White House came up empty.

After Bush’s comments, a White House reporter asked Dana Perino a critically important question: “I don’t understand how a fragmented, clandestine, non-Iraqi terrorist organization could produce and sell Iraqi oil on the global market, especially when the majority of Iraqis have turned against al Qaeda. Could you describe a plausible scenario?”

Perino couldn’t.

PERINO: The purpose of what the President said is that al Qaeda should not be allowed to have safe haven in Iraq and take over —

Q: How can they take over Iraq’s oil reserves —

PERINO: Well, if we were to leave we would certainly ensue chaos and not be able to — if we were to leave too soon, it would certainly be chaos and it would be terrible for not only the innocent Iraqis, but the entire region and, in fact, our own national security. That’s what the President —

Q: But the Iraqis would let a foreign terrorist organization take over their oil?

PERINO: You’re missing the point.

Actually, “the point” is the White House is so desperate to scare people, it’s getting sloppy with its dumb arguments.

Iraq has a Shi’ite majority. Maliki, Sadr, the Badr Corps, and Iran are not going to let a small, disjointed group of Sunni extremists take Iraq’s oil and sell it on the global marketplace. That’s just silly. For that matter, as Amanda noted, most of Iraq’s oil is in the South, with strong Shi’ite strongholds, where the people have no use for al Qaeda.

It fascinates me that even now, as the war begins its sixth year, the White House is still struggling to come up with arguments that make sense and can withstand even cursory scrutiny. It fascinates me further that Dick Cheney, weeks after the White House couldn’t defend Bush’s bogus claim, believes he should repeat the same debunked argument.

Only 283 days to go.

To bad hannity and cheneys father’s didn’t pull out alittle earlier. Or they could have the same father, the funny looking dude with the horns.

  • al Qaeda could steal whole truck loads of oil and sell if for hundreds of dollars. That’s essentially what was happening under Saddam and is probably happening now.

    Why that scares Cheney while Saudi princes are giving millions of dollars to al Qaeda I don’t know.

    In short, the man is an idiot.

  • Wait wait dont tell me ….She thinks AQI was involved in the Bay of Pigs .
    Why do we put up with such crap ?

  • You can fool some of the people some of the time…and that’s all they’ve been about. With such narrow election margins in ’00 and ’04, they only need to scare 1 or 2% into voting against their own interests. And they don’t need to convince educated types like yourself (and clearly, they don’t) but the uninformed majority who likely don’t even know there’s more than one kind of Muslim in Iraq – or the world.

  • At least they’re finally getting around to admitting that oil is a key part of this whole abortion of a war.

    On a more “Anyone Have More Foil For My Hat?” note, I noticed something watching PBS last week (you can see it here).

    Soldiers were given cameras as they were sent to Iraq, and they used them to film their thoughts, show what’s going on, etc. The Soldiers were in charge of protecting convoys coming and going out of Iraq. But there was something that stood out:

    Nearly every single truck in the convoys they showed coming and going — thousands of them, and some others were escorting — were tanker trucks.

    Not box trucks taking products and supplies to the Iraqi people.

    Not trucks full of military supplies.

    But tanker trucks coming in empty and leaving full.

    I wondered: “What the hell are they filling these with, and where are they all going?” They never said.

    Again, I hate to sound all “OH NOES!! THEY’RE STEALING TEH OILZ!!!one!!!” But … honestly … anyone else have a better suggestion?

    For some reason, I don’t think they were full of milk or used cooking oil.

  • Not supposed to talk about those human rights abusing , terrorist supporting , women hating FoBs ( friends of bush ) .

  • Like Cheney cares what the American people think. No matter what is happening, he wouldn’t tell the truth about Iraq. Since he became VP, never has, never will.

  • Duh. Better answer: fuel for all those U.S. vehicles roaming around. Especially tankers.

  • The important thing to remember about Cheney is that he just doesn’t care what we think, or how anything he says or does looks to anyone else.

  • They’re liars and thieves I dont trust any politcian to do what’s right for this country besides who’s gonna stop them ?

  • The good news is that only two types of people listen to Hannity anway:

    The drooling idiots who still think Bush is a good president, and those who tune in just to laugh at the ones in the first group.

    Otherwise nobody really cares about him, so no real harm done.

  • After over five years of chaos, if we leave too soon, “we would certainly ensue chaos”. Poorly worded, but sounds like if we left, things might remain the same. But the latter chaos costs much less.

  • Duh. Better answer: fuel for all those U.S. vehicles roaming around. Especially tankers.

    So they’re taking empty trucks into Iraq, then bringing full trucks back to Kuwait … in order to fuel up the vehicles in Iraq? Really?

    I think the water answer makes more sense (although I’m not sure why Kuwait needs all that Iraqi H2O).

    Please try again.

    🙂

  • Al Caca and all of his friends in the sunni world are going to get what from a shiite Iraq? The oil will be in a form of lubrication for the rail on which they are ridden out on.
    truth is nothing compared to money

  • Seems to me the Sunnis don’t have much use for AQI either…wasn’t that the point of the Awakening Coucils that the his preznit uses to bolster the Surge’s success? or did I miss something? I’m actually surprised that cheeney even offered any type of statement that didn’t include “…and go f%!$ yourself…

  • Why that scares Cheney while Saudi princes are giving millions of dollars to al Qaeda I don’t know. – Lance

    What scares cheney is that HE wouldn’t be getting a cut of that oil revenue.

  • The worst thing is that the local rags will quote this nonsense and everyone who reads them will take it as fact. My rag is the Star Tribune which the investment group who owns it has an oil drilling platform on their website. Not much chance anyone on that paper will contadict any statements made by this administration.

  • Cheney’s the same genius who in 1994 said: “I think for us to get American military personnel involved in a civil war inside Iraq would literally be a quagmire. Once we got to Baghdad, what would we do?”

  • 5. Mark D said: But … honestly … anyone else have a better suggestion?

    The only reasonable idea I can think of is that they are shipping oil to Kuwait to put it on tankers there because the port in Basra isn’t safe.

  • There is a certain tortured consistency and logic to this argument.

    Iraq is the central front in the war on terror. Al Qaeda and terror are synonymous, for American consumption. Ergo, if we leave Iraq, al Qaeda will do something monstrous, like take over the oil fields and buy their way to world conquest.

    I think it was on Hardball last night. The notion that in America, the anti-war crowd loses every time. There is no such thing as a bad war in America. There is only winning and losing. It’s a sport, a blood sport to be sure, but a sport, and Americans love sports and winning above all else. Advantage: McCain, sad to say. He understands the antiwar sentiment stems from the fact that we’re not kicking ass, and he is telling us that he will kick ass in Iraq, and wimpy Obama wants to cower and run away.

  • Leadership and taxes

    “It’s important to have core principles and values, but if you’re going to be active in policy and politics, you have to be a realist.” —Hillary Clinton

    “We’re saying that for America to get back on track, we’re going to cut short and not give it to you. We’re going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good.” —Hillary Clinton, in a 2004 fundraising speech to wealthy liberals in San Francisco

    Bipartisanship and reaching across the isle

    “I believe in evil, and I think that there are evil people in the world.” —Hillary Clinton, in 1993, stating her opinion not of the terrorists who had just bombed the World Trade Center for the first time in 1993, but of those who opposed her health care reform plan

    “You have got to hand it to them, these people are ruthless and they are relentless.” —Sen. Hillary Clinton, just a few months after 9/11, giving her opinion of Republicans

    Health care

    “We just can’t trust the American people to make these types of decisions. …Government has to make these choices for people.” —Hillary Clinton circa 1993, speaking to Rep. Dennis Hastert on the issue of who should control the allocation of money in her health care reform plan

    “We can’t afford to have that money go to the private sector. The money has to go to the federal government because the federal government will spend that money better than the private sector will spend it.” —First Lady Hillary Clinton, in 1993, regarding health care reform

    Free speech

    “We’re all going to have to rethink how we deal with the Internet. As exciting as these new developments are, there are a number of serious issues without any kind of editing function or gate-keeping function.” —First Lady Hillary Clinton, in 1998, days after the Monica Lewinsky story was reported

    Blaming America

    “I pledge allegiance to the America that can be.” —Hillary Clinton, reluctant to say the Pledge of Allegiance, according to Chris Matthews

    “The unfettered free market has been the most radically disruptive force in American life in the last generation.” —Hillary Clinton

    Imagination

    “The fact of the matter is, I’ve always been a Yankees fan.” —Senate candidate Hillary Clinton, soon after launching her campaign in 1999, and ignoring prior public statements about growing up as a Cubs fan in Chicago

  • I have a follow-up question, Mr. Cheney: So, after fabricating the need to take over Iraq because they were harboring terrorists, building WMDs, and needed to be liberated back to the stone age; after predicting a very short war after which we would be greeted as liberators; after plunging the US into a quagmire that will ultimately cost trillions of dollars and, at the very least, a few thousand American lives; after creating a global environment ripe for the recruitment of more militant extremism, anti-American sentiment and overall danger for US citizens; after providing a virtual pipeline through which billions of unchecked taxpayer dollars flow directly into the offshore bank accounts of your former employer; after manipulating various markets, media, and the national psyche through fearful hints of elevated terrorist dangers; after all this, you’re saying it really is just about oil?

    Cheney’s response: “So?”

    Moral: the terrorists already have the oil.

  • A smart criminal, and in my humble opinion Dick Cheney is a smart criminal, will stealthly hide in plain sight. You know, the arsonist being the first to yell fire, or the purse snatcher crying thief. In this instance, Mr. Cheney is crying terrorist take over of oil for, well you get the connection. -Kevo

  • Chairman of the House Judiciary Committee, John Conyers, has set a date to have a hearing on the torture memo, first witness: John Yoo. A number of HJC members have also called for hearings on this administration, the latest being moderate Democrat from California, Brad Sherman. In no uncertain terms, Congressman Sherman asked in a letter to Conyers for hearings on Bush/Cheney’s false information to invade Iraq and for abuse of power through the hundreds of signing statements Bush enacted, thereby overriding Congressional oversight. We must accept nothing less than hearings. Put Yoo, Rice, Cheney, Rumsfeld, et al, on camera before the people, 24/7, and watch them squirm, lie, and get caught in every lie they tell.
    Citizens can make this happen! Google House Judiciary Committee — call, write, fax, e-mail … every single one of those committee members, and demand hearings. And demand tough questions of Yoo on May 6th, demand they not accept “I don’t recall” type evasions, and most of all, if Yoo ignores the subpoena like Miers and Bolton did, put him directly in jail!

    The time for making nice is long over. Hearings are entirely fair, and are entirely, completely warranted. If not in this administration, then whose??

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