Saudi king seeks new crusade against atheists

Guest Post by Morbo

If there’s one thing I don’t like, it’s being lectured on morality by a corpulent autocrat with four wives who heads one of the most repressive regimes in the world.

I speak of King Abdullah of Saudi Arabia, that bastion of freedom of thought and freedom of religion. The king recently had a bright idea: Bring together representatives of the world’s monotheistic religions for a confab.

Many media outlets reported this as a positive thing. After all, Muslims and Jews would sit down together in Riyadh. Wouldn’t that dialogue be a good thing? The Washington Post even praised Abdullah’s action as a sign of tolerance.

A large chunk of the world’s population might have reason to feel differently. Let’s look at the details: Abdullah has a plan to unite Islam, Judaism and Christianity against a common foe — non-believers.

The Times of London reported:

According to the official Saudi Press Agency, King Abdullah said, “I have noticed that the family system has weakened and that atheism has increased. That is an unacceptable behavior to all religions, to the Koran, the Torah and the Bible. We ask God to save humanity. There is a lack of ethics, loyalty and sincerity for our religions and humanity.”

Unacceptable? That makes me a bit nervous. After all, homosexuality is “unacceptable” in Saudi Arabia. It can warrant the death penalty.

Imagine if Abdullah has singled out just about any other class of people. Pretend he had said Hinduism is increasing, and this is unacceptable. Substitute Buddhists, Sikhs, followers of Confucius or whatever. Can you imagine the uproar? Would any Christian or Jewish religious leader endorse such talks?

Apparently it’s OK to declare a new crusade as long as it’s aimed at religious skeptics. Ironically, the same day Abdullah called for interfaith dialogue, his government formally denied a request from the Vatican to build the first Christian church in Saudi Arabia. It is, after all, illegal to worship as a Christian in that country. This guy’s going to teach us how to be tolerant? No thanks.

As an aside, anyone who thinks bias against non-believers is limited to countries like Saudi Arabia should check a recent piece by Chicago Tribune columnist Eric Zorn. Rob Sherman, a local atheist activist, testified before the Illinois House of Representative’s State Government Administration Committee, expressing his opposition to a bill that would allocate $1 million in tax funds to rehabilitate a church deemed “historic.”

Rep. Monique Davis, a Chicago Democrat, unloaded at Sherman.

“I don’t know what you have against God, but some of us don’t have much against him. We look forward to him and his blessings. And it’s really a tragedy — it’s tragic — when a person who is engaged in anything related to God, they want to fight. They want to fight prayer in school. I don’t see you fighting guns in school, you know? I’m trying to understand the philosophy that you want to spread in the state of Illinois. This is the Land of Lincoln. This is the Land of Lincoln, where people believe in God, where people believe in protecting their children…. What you have to spew and spread is extremely dangerous, it’s dangerous….”

Davis later added, “Get out of that seat! … You have no right to be here! We believe in something. You believe in destroying! You believe in destroying what this state was built upon.”

Charming.

After Davis’ harangue generated some national attention, she apologized. It’s a start, though I suspect she actually believes what she shouted during the hearing.

I have an idea: Let’s put King Abdullah and Rep. Davis in a tiny room and let them dialogue with one another. They seem to have a lot in common.

The world is a more peaceful, tolerant, enlightened place because of centuries of contributions by adherents of the the three major monotheistic faiths.

/snark OFF.

  • Alternative version;

    The world is a more peaceful, tolerant, enlightened place because of centuries of contributions by adherents of the the three major monotheistic faiths.

    (Passes Bong)

  • Shhhh. Here in Oklahoma, most of the religious nuts don’t realize that atheists even exist. They are too busy fighting among themselves, or obsessing over Muslims and gays.

    And Mexicans. Especially Mexicans.

  • And of course, the Age of Reason (aka The Enlightenment), which gave rise to our democracy was as close as you could possibly come to an atheistic philosophy of government and morality. But, hey, democracy. That’s so pre-9/11.

  • The problem with atheists is that they’re always having bitter disputes with other faith and non-faiths. Atheists are always having bloody clashes among themselves to determine whose pope is the legitimate leader of the non-faith or what the line of succession is from the non-deity. Then there’s squabbles and killings with other religions – the wars of conquest to reclaim non-holy lands, pogroms, religious cleansings and persecutions. The atheists have always gone on missionary journeys to convert indigenous peoples of other nations and continents to turn to the non-deity to receive the benefits of their foreign assistance or they would be killed, tortured or maimed, all the while being decimated by the diseases introduced by the foreign non-proselytisers. Think of all the untold souls lost to slave labor of making huge monuments to their non-gods. And these atheists claim a tax-exempt status to do so on top of it all.

    Yeah buddy, atheism is the problem all right. Just look at the swaths of destruction they’ve wrought throughout history.

  • Ahh, the old monotheism vs. atheism battle. What about the majority of the world’s population, who belong to neither group?

  • It seems that the biggest reasons people leave their respective faiths are the practitioners themselves. Y’see, I’d have no problem going back to Church, but all those “Christians” are there. No thanks.

  • I’m always amused when the representatives of one of the peripatetic faiths (Mormons and Jehova Witnesses , in my neck of the woods) come knocking and want to read the holy texts with me. When I tell them I’m an atheist, there’ this look of total incomprehension, so I kindly explain I don’t believe in any god. To the inevitable “But… but….”, I reply that I’m quite happy with my lack of faith in gods and that I replace it with faith in human beings. Ending with “please leave me to my fantasies, however false you deem them to be and I promise I won’t try to talk you out of yours”.

    Good, clean, fun 🙂

  • But it would be OK to be lectured on morality by King Abdullah if he were not overweight? Wtf does his physical appearance have to do with anything, really?

  • the world has 5 billion people
    1.2 billion are muslims
    2 billion are christians (catholic+protestant+orthodox)
    that makes monotheism a Majority
    all the rest doesn’t even come close!!
    If we agree that killing, stealing, pornography and homosexuality (among other immoralities) is wrong, you Atheists will be in big trouble!!

  • Morbo, thank you very, very much for highlighting Davis’s outrageous comments. We all know that King Abdullah is an intolerant bugger, but I think that more people really need to look at what Davis said.

    “You have no right to be here.”

    No right to be here, in America, where there’s freedom of religion (and an implied freedom from religion), a democratic nation (barely). A Democrat is telling a constituent testifying before his government that he has no right to be there.

    Pause. Consider. Now spin out the implications: if atheists aren’t okay, whose next once you get rid of those? Jews? Lutherans? Pentecostals? Catholics?

    And she was able to make these remarks without a hue and cry being raised in the national media, aside from the lonely voice of Keith Olbermann.

    If I were a religious person, I’d be getting a bit worried about now. Once remarks like that are no big deal, it’s a well-greased slope to restrictions on religious rights.

    You’re so right, Morbo. Davis and Abdullah have plenty to talk about

  • But Hamid, there are about 800,000 Hindus, and each Hindu believes in about 33,000,000 gods, so their gods outweigh all those puny monotheist gods.

    I agree that killing is wrong, and stealing pornography is wrong.

  • It is interesting to note that most comments are based on the authors personal beliefs which makes the Saudi Kings statement as valid as the next.
    At this point the question becomes; “Do we have the right to force our ideals upon others?”

  • Hamid writes: the world has 5 billion people
    1.2 billion are muslims
    2 billion are christians (catholic+protestant+orthodox)

    Hello, what year are you living in? The world now has almost 6.7 billion people. Which leaves your monotheists a little shy of a majority. Bad stats, Hamid.

  • Thank you Rep. Davis for making a candid response. You don’t have to apologize because we already know that you are religious moron in the same league as Oklahoma’s Sally Kern. You have brought shame on Illinois, and no amount of backtracking can undo your demise.

  • PL @15
    I suspect he’s right. “We” do have the majority.
    But he said if we agree that killing is wrong, then athiests are in trouble.

    What? We’re going to beat them senseless, but not kill them? Was’ de plan, Hamid?

    For the record, the 1st commandment pretty much rules out all faiths but Judaism Chrstianity and Islam so the Buddhists, Confuscists, Wiccans, and Shintoists (sic?) are on notice too.

    Once all the heathens are properly slain or converted (via savage beatings by Hamid) we can proceed to the next item:
    Turning on ourselves until we have one true faith as determined by who is best at violent coercion.

    Thus King Abdullah’s plea to “get on with it, even! Let the forced conversion/torture/killing begin!”

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