Did the ‘bitter’ flap affect the race?

The awkward political reality of every campaign controversy is that every story has to be considered on two levels: on the merits and whether it will “matter.” If the needle doesn’t move, the story is deemed irrelevant.

The interest in Barack Obama’s “bitter” comments, for example, has left the political world with bated breath, wondering what the polls say. Since the story broke on Friday, the chattering class has speculated at length about how voters might respond to the remarks (and the overheated coverage of said remarks), without having any idea whether anyone would actually care as much as they do. The Washington Post’s Chris Cillizza noted this morning that if the polls show Hillary Clinton getting a significant bump in the polls, “bitter-gate” will look like “a seminal moment in the campaign,” and may even doom Obama’s campaign. If she doesn’t, “all of this will quickly be relegated to the dustbin of history as much sound and fury signifying nothing.”

So, what’s the verdict? At this point, the data points towards the latter. Eric Kleefeld reported:

The Pennsylvania polls are coming fast and furious today — and while most show a slight uptick in support for Hillary, they all appear to indicate that Obama’s “small town” comments are not yet causing any big movement.

SurveyUSA shows Obama gaining a couple of points, with a strong majority of Pennsylvanians saying they weren’t offended by the remarks. Rasmussen shows Clinton gaining a couple of points, with a plurality concluding that Obama’s comments were not “elitist.” Quinnipiac, meanwhile, shows no change at all.

What about the national picture? The Gallup Daily Tracking poll shows Obama maintaining his lead, with “a 51% to 40% margin in the April 12-14 average.” The 11-point margin in the poll, taken in the midst of the media flare-up, “is the largest for Obama this year, and marks the ninth consecutive day in which Obama has led Clinton by a statistically significant margin.”

As campaign-changing moments go, this flap is starting to look a little underwhelming.

That said, Obama fans shouldn’t get too excited and assume that the storm has entirely blown over. Here are a few angles to consider:

* Ads: The media was all over this story over the weekend, but that doesn’t mean everyone heard about it. The Clinton campaign just started advertising on this last night, so the number of people who might yet be offended could still go up.

* Momentum: The polls show very little movement in Pennsylvania, but the news could be better for Obama. Before the “bitter” story, Obama was closing the gap in several polls, and that seems to have come to a halt. (Josh Marshall notes the parallel between this and the week before the Ohio and Texas primaries in March: “Obama appeared to be making headway until the Nafta controversy and (possibly) the 3 AM ad blunted his momentum.”)

* Debate: Clinton and Obama will share a stage tomorrow night for their first debate in about seven weeks. If people haven’t heard much about the story, or Obama’s defense, they will tomorrow.

* Delayed reaction: Sometimes there’s a lag in the polls. These early numbers look like the story hasn’t affected public opinion, but it might just need some more time.

* A change of subject: Cillizza added an interesting observation about Rep. Geoff Davis (R-Ken.) calling Obama “that boy.”

That comment could — and we emphasize could — turn Obama into a sympathetic figure in the eyes of many Democrats who might otherwise have been offended by what the Illinois senator had to say. There is no quicker way to rally the Democratic base around a candidate than for that candidate to come under attack from Republicans. If those sorts of remarks persist, the story could drastically turn in Obama’s favor.

Stay tuned.

This whole ‘media narrative’ was wholly cooked up by the Corporate / Repiglican /Mafia media .. all the fucking ‘talking farts’ blathered on and on and on .. pontificating at every turn. And it continues to fill the evil airwaves in their pathetic effort to destroy Obama. Meanwhile, the “President” of the United States has been exposed for breaking the fucking law, again, relative to his ‘star chamber’ that approved torture. What did the Corporate/ Repiglican/Mafia media do with this blockbuster that should get Shit Stain Bush impeached and imprisoned:

How long until the press finally asks Perino about White House approval of torture?

Last Wednesday, ABC News reported that, beginning in 2002, top officials in the White House specifically approved torture techniques, including waterboarding. On Friday, President Bush admitted that he, too, was aware of and approved the discussions. Yet the White House press corps has yet to ask the White House spokesmen a single question on the issue, in the three briefings held since the story broke. (Luckily, reporters had time to cover the Little League tee-ball all-star game and the President’s weekend plans to clear brush at his Crawford ranch.)

Digg It!
UpdateDan Froomkin writes in the Washington Post this morning that the mainstream media is treating ABC’s torture story as old news: “There was no mention of Bush’s admission in the New York Times, the Wall Street Journal or the Los Angeles Times. There was nothing on the major wire services. And nothing on CNN, CBS or NBC.”

And there you have it ………

  • It’s disappointing but not surprising that Hillary hasn’t gotten a better boost from Senor Condescenda’s comments. I know Pennsylvania, and unfortunately, these people aren’t bright or, in general, well educated enough to realize how much he’s looking down on and patronizing them.

  • Clinton’s like a tired boxer going into the final round needing a knockout. She hopes the Wright thing will knock him out but it just uses up more of her strength. She hope bitter-gate will knock him out, but she swings and misses.

    She’s tilting at molehills.

  • IFP, is it true that you attended the Constitutional Convention in Philadelphia and did shots of Crown Royal with Ben Franklin?

  • And of course the irony of having the millionaire pundit class wringing their hands about what small town America must think and feel about Obama’s comments — about what small town America thinks and feels — seems to not have registered with the millionaire pundit class.

  • Dear Insane Professor:

    Have you any idea how offensive your comments are to the readers of this blog? Why do you have to be so nasty? I have always enjoyed this site because of the thoughtful reader participation. I find that your comments are not imaginative and not clever. If you are actually a Hillary supporter, good for you, but you are a very poor spokesperson for her. Can’t she stand on her own merit? Is her image improved by your nastiness? I don’t think so.

  • Insane Fake Professor, the irony of your comment is simply exquisite. Well done. Your support for Obama is much appreciated.

  • I wish Obama would take advantage of this opportunity to deliver another one of his signature speeches, this one on small town America and the way the GOP and the Clintons have screwed them over during the entire post-1980 period.

    It’s not enough to hope for “no movement”in the polls (partly for the reasons you indicated). Obama must turn such “doubtful moments” into strongly positive reminders of just how good Barack Obama is for this largely undeserving nation. The old “irrational” divisions of race and gender should be put behind us, but the plight of factory- and farm-less small town American needs to be addressed sometime soon by someone of compassion rather than scripted focus group cynicism.

    While on this topic, I think the U.S. would benefit greatly from a study of what in Italy is called the agriturismo movement: keeping smaller working farms alive as such through government allowances and encouragement for promoting them as tourist amenities, either as vacation room-and-boards or as farmers’ markets or retail outlets. It really adds to their national quality of life (which I hope to be returning to the end of this month, provided the greediness of the airlines doesn’t screw up my plans).

  • I find that your comments are not imaginative and not clever.

    Really? Go read some of Mary’s past comments — I recommend this classic series to understand the insanity, and this more recent one to appreciate the tone — and then reset your satire receptors to take another look.

    You’re witnessing one of the great satires of our time. And it’s clever as hell.

  • How long before the Millionarie Pundit Class and Lame Stream Media admit that McCain reportedly owns 8 houses (and I’m sure they’re not shacks), and that he and Hillary are worth over $100 million each. That both were raised in privileged circumstances. And they pull the standard R talking point of accusing their opponent (raised by a single mom, worth 1/100 of Clinton and McCain) of what they themselves are guilty.

    I’m not holding my breath.

  • Vermonter [5]: The millionaire pundit class doesn’t give two shits and a Moon Pie whether they’re being ironic — or more accurately, hypocritical — so long as the out-of-work worker bees vote for God, Guns and Guts [and tax breaks for the filthy rich and the squashing of programs for the out-of-work worker bees] come election day.

  • TR writes about Insane Fake Professor: “You’re witnessing one of the great satires of our time. And it’s clever as hell.”

    Got that right! Gracious, be sure to check out the “Mary” links.

  • I can’t imagine the tolerance for dissonance it requires to write off Hillary’s lies about Bosnia, yet be incensed about Obama’s bitter remark. I guess some people have gotten so used to being lied to by politicians that they prefer it. Thanks, corporate media!

  • I’m left wondering if the reason Clinton didn’t gain more from Obama’s “gaffe” was the fact that her campaign spent three solid months denigrating the same type of voters she was pretending to stand up for this weekend.

    First it was red states and states with caucuses that didn’t matter. Then it was independents and swing voters. Remember the meme that she should win the nomination because she was leading the popular vote among “real” Democrats and Obama was getting more votes from independents?

    The suddenly Obama said something that might have offended independent voters in a potentially red state and Clinton was their new best friend. “Real” Democrats, like the ones in the Million Mom March a few years back and the ones in San Francisco who help keep California safe for the Democrats, suddenly became a bunch of out-of-touch elitists.

    I want the Democrats to win in November, but not because they are able to make enough people fall for this crap to get 270 votes. I want them to win because enough Republicans who voted for Ron Paul and Mike Huckabee because they were tired of this garbage are able to find a Democrat they like.

  • Got that right! Gracious, be sure to check out the “Mary” links.

    Happy to share. Be sure to read through the first set of comments, to watch the insanity move from mildly odd to slightly deranged to a full-on Howard Hughes freakout.

  • hmmm. . . could TR be IFP? 🙂

    I think it is likely too early to really know whether the “bitter” comments were harmful and, if so, to what extent. Whether polling shows it or not, it clearly was harmful in that it took Obama off message and forced him to be reactive rather than proactive for the better (bitter?) part of a week. Also, remember the way the damage slowly built for a couple of weeks when Clinton had her Drivers License moment in the debate. These things can have a lag time, particularly if the media doesn’t move on (and surely Clinton won’t).

  • Actually Mary was the satirist and nobody got it.

    Been my suspicion. It’s either that or she’s batshit crazy. I’m just trying to be polite by assuming she’s a joke/Republican instead of certifiable.

  • Ed Stephan said:

    While on this topic, I think the U.S. would benefit greatly from a study of what in Italy is called the agriturismo movement: keeping smaller working farms alive as such through government allowances and encouragement for promoting them as tourist amenities, either as vacation room-and-boards or as farmers’ markets or retail outlets. It really adds to their national quality of life (which I hope to be returning to the end of this month, provided the greediness of the airlines doesn’t screw up my plans).

    The sad fact is, family farms simply can’t compete with the corporate mega-farms. I’ve advocated government subsidies to help family farms switch to organic farming. It would allow the family farms to stay in business, it would help maintain biodiversity, it would reduce the number of chemicals polluting the environment and it would increase the supply of foods free of chemicals and artificial hormones.

    But I also like the idea of family farms broadening into tourist destinations.

  • hmmm. . . could TR be IFP? 🙂

    I really wish I’d thought of it first, but sadly, no. It’s pure genius — such a perfect piece of satire that it’s funny enough to be hilarious if you’ve been suffering through Mary, but close enough to be offensive if you haven’t had that pleasure.

    I’m hoping IFP will reveal her secret identity at some point. Several of us have already lined up to buy her a beer.

    I am starting to wonder if this was a long con. If Mary was a two-month-long set-up for the punchline of IFP. If so, we’ve all been played beautifully.

  • Considering that Hillary is jumping on every misstep Barack makes like a starving hamster, while his own responses are measured and thoughtful, it’s becoming more and more clear which candidate is pushing the desperation meter off the scale.

    Hint: It’s not the skinny guy with the law degree, ok?

  • Ed Steven and Steve T.:

    here in vermont we are doing a lot of both – especially the conversion to organic farming. that transition, although initially expensive and quite time-consuming, has already saved a large number of family farms here in the state.

  • I too want to buy IFP a drink after the process is over. She’s TCR’s own Stephen Colbert and a total riot. Hell I’ll even buy Mary a beer, and a shot, after the nomination is over.

  • I unfortunately have to agree with some of my bitter obamamaniacs. Clinton needs more than an off comment to run this primary

  • A beer and a shot. A beer and a shot.

    You mock me and Hillary, despite her being able to drink Mr. Skinny Legs under the table. He probably can’t hold his liquor any better than he can hold the truth. Anyway, I don’t go to bars because I don’t enjoy watching the men constantly hitting on the other women instead of making intelligent and respectful conversation with them. It’s like they’re only after one thing. If you guys love me so much, buy me one of those dreamcatchers for my window, or maybe a woven purse from a Guatemalan co-op, or perhaps some pepper spray to use on those men if any of them ever try to talk to me.

  • It may be too early to tell if this will hurt Obama. It might not be helping Clinton as it is a hard sell for her to claim that she is any more like the people Obama allegedly insulted than Obama is. We’ll have a better idea after Pennsylvania votes as to whether this has any effect on the primary. It could also turn out to harm Clinton if seeing her make the same attacks on Obama as McCain emphasizes the perception of her as someone who will do anything to win, even if it hurts the party and helps Republicans.

    The bigger question is whether this, and all the other attacks from Clinton, will have an impact on the general election. On the one hand, it makes no sense for McCain to claim to be a bigger supporter of small town Americans than Obama. On the other hand, the Republicans have gotten away with such claims before. It could make this argument more convincing if McCain quotes attacks from another Democrat against Obama. It is way too early to say whether this has mattered.

  • IFP, you’re killing me! Comedic genious: It’s disappointing but not surprising that Hillary hasn’t gotten a better boost from Senor Condescenda’s comments. I know Pennsylvania, and unfortunately, these people aren’t bright or, in general, well educated enough to realize how much he’s looking down on and patronizing them.

  • Where was it said that IFP is a female?

    Just about everything Obama says is a Sistah Soljah moment. He keeps an interesting sense of balance.

  • Where was it said that IFP is a female? She talks about the other women in her last post.

  • The persona of IFP is clearly female, but the person behind the curtain? There was a comment in the last couple of days that made me believe that was the case, but I can’t find it now.

    We could ask IFP, of course, but that’s like trying to get a straight answer out of the White House.

  • Rick said:

    Where was it said that IFP is a female? She talks about the other women in her last post.

    Yeah but that’s after a couple of other posters starting referring to IFP as “she”.

  • I know Pennsylvania, and unfortunately, these people aren’t bright or, in general, well educated enough to realize how much he’s looking down on and patronizing them. ifp@the asylum.

    It is a well-known fact, amongst the status-quo elitists who are seeking “guillotine-parity” with such historical figures as Marie Antoinette, that Pennsylvanians who are not in rabid lockstep with with Hillary Regina the First are “phony Pennsylvanians.” The Empress of Uberschweinyltonia has summarily decreed that such people are meaningless and irrelevant, and have no place in her vision of America.

    I imagine, once the Convention sticks the stake in the chief Hillistine’s political heart, that she might develop a rather nasty hunger to form the New York branch of the Darth Lieberman Party….

  • We could ask IFP, of course, but that’s like trying to get a straight answer out of the White House.

    Baseless slander of the WH press secretary, who happens to be — yes, indeed — a woman.

  • Well, ya gotta admit, ISF – she happens to be — yes, indeed — a woman, but she is also one hell of a liar!

  • IFP = The Answer is Orange

    Both are intelligent, tAiO doesn’t post under that name much any more (but would never just leave), both have a similar snarkalicious sense of humor, and both are women.

    Hmmmm …

    **rubs chin thoughtfully**

  • Ed Stephan @ 9 said:

    I wish Obama would take advantage of this opportunity to deliver another one of his signature speeches, this one on small town America and the way the GOP and the Clintons have screwed them over during the entire post-1980 period.

    Agreed. He has mostly been going ad lib of late. I understand why. He is polishing what needs to be polished. Talking off the cuff is one thing. He can do that fine. Most book readers can. But being able to talk off the cuff as a dem presidential candidate? That’s an entirely different cup of Tuzla tea (sans the doughnuts with sprinkles).

    But I agree with you on the larger observations:

    At some point in time… he has got to hit those high notes again…
    I’m thinking… after he crushes her in North Carolina.

    We shall see.

  • You’d think Clinton held a gun to Obama’s head and forced him to say “they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren’t like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations,”
    It may die now, but if he’s the nominee, it’ll be back.

  • TR,

    I am starting to wonder if this was a long con. If Mary was a two-month-long set-up for the punchline of IFP. If so, we’ve all been played beautifully.

    I hadn’t even considered this. But your conclusion is spot on.

    re: #39, I put the odds of that at about even (or just under). Very plausible, but the something (phrasing maybe?) doesn’t seem quite right. Maybe a professional writer can give us their opinion.

  • I hadn’t even considered this. But your conclusion is spot on. re: #39, I put the odds of that at about even (or just under). Very plausible, but the something (phrasing maybe?) doesn’t seem quite right. Maybe a professional writer can give us their opinion.

    I’m a professional writer and I’ll give you my opinion: I’m not TAIO or any other longtime poster, and I’m not Mary (whoever that is–I keep hearing the name but I don’t know why you people keep confusing us) pulling a long con.

    Now everyone settle down. You’re ruining my fun, and you know how women get when you ruin our fun. Whoo-boy.

    I believe the topic was bitterness? Shall we move on?

  • Yeah my quess is tAiO too. S/he has cats but I didn’t know s/he was a woman. Course I didn’t know Digby was either. And Mary was actually Swan.

  • Insane Fake Professor said:
    I’m a professional writer and I’ll give you my opinion: I’m not TAIO or any other longtime poster, and I’m not Mary (whoever that is–I keep hearing the name but I don’t know why you people keep confusing us) pulling a long con.

    If you’re not a long-time poster then how do you know tAiO is a long-time poster?

    I’m pretty sure I saw you pulling a long necon penis.

  • Baseless trash-talking. I never pulled a penis in my life. Can you not disagree with Clinton supporters without making disgusting sexual innuendos? Or do you just never stop thinking about your wee-wees?

    All of you could learn something from Ed, who has a an unusual and noble sensitivity.

  • I kinda like the tAiO guess, but just to feed the speculators – and yes I know some of these people can probably be ruled out right away on writing style habits – a quick off the cuff list of those who have wholly or largely disappeared over the last few months (and yes, as I think about it, this kind of depresses me):

    Anne
    dajafi
    angry young man (i know – he posted just today or yesterday, but i was surprised when i saw it because it had been a while)
    2Manchu
    lyn5
    zeitgeist
    Rian Muller (still around some, but much less than in the past)
    tAiO, as already noted

    I’m sure I’m missing some good ones? (although the more I look at that list, if those were the only possibilities I think tAiO would come closest)

  • I haven’t been here long enough to know most of the people you guys are talking about, but why do you think that only somebody who no longer posts under her or his regular handle is doing this?

  • Former Dan is a master of parody. If he can parody a song (hmmm tAiO is also a music lover) then he can parody a parody.

  • I’m pretty sure that tAiO is not a woman. Also, tAiO used quite a lot of Britishisms , both in spelling and vocabulary, and IFP doesn’t. So I don’t think it’s tAiO, even though the wicked sense of humour *is* similar.

  • Or maybe CB just wigged out and said, “Screw even-handednesss, I’m going to express my Hillary-love that dares not speak its name.”

    I might have thought Cleaver, but he’s busy satirizing himself. Or is that satyrizing himself?

  • Obama needs a “why is this necessary from Clinton?” moment. Call her out on her shit. He doesn’t do it. The desperation card needs to be played.

  • Maybe a professional writer can give us their opinion.
    –Edo

    Um … I am a professional writer. Have been for 10 years.

    Guess it doesn’t show, eh?

    **hangs head in shame**

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