A debate only David Brooks could love

It wasn’t my intention to write a fourth item on last night’s Democratic debate in Philadelphia, but the NYT’s David Brooks appears to be the only prominent voice in the country to have watched the train wreck and come away impressed.

I understand the complaints, but I thought the questions were excellent. The journalist’s job is to make politicians uncomfortable, to explore evasions, contradictions and vulnerabilities. Almost every question tonight did that. […]

We may not like it, but issues like Jeremiah Wright, flag lapels and the Tuzla airport will be important in the fall…. It’s legitimate to see how the candidates will respond to these sorts of symbolic issues.

Brooks concluded by giving out grades. He gave ABC an “A.”

At first blush, Brooks’ analysis might even sound reasonable. It’s not.

The journalist’s job is to make politicians uncomfortable.” In the abstract, perhaps, but there’s a way to probe “contradictions and vulnerabilities” while remaining substantive. Obama has been evasive on nuclear energy; why not make him “uncomfortable” with some discussion of the policy? Clinton has been misleading about her roles in the creation of S-CHIP and the Family and Medical Leave Act; why not make her “uncomfortable” by scrutinizing her record?

Discomfort need not be an end unto itself. If, at a Republican debate, John McCain were asked about his first marriage, his admitted adultery, his habit of dropping F-bombs on his colleagues, and his dozens of policy flip-flops, he’d probably be pretty uncomfortable. Would Brooks praise the questions, judging them more important than unmentioned global challenges? Somehow, I doubt it.

One gets the sense that Brooks liked the bitter/Wright/sniper/flag/Ayers line of questioning because those were the issues on his mind. This may be trivia to Pennsylvania voters, but darn it, he has a column to write.

[Symbolic issues] will be important in the fall.” Again, that may be true, but it’s oddly self-fulfilling — a New York Times columnist is telling us what will matter, in large part because he knows what he’ll be writing about, thus making certain issues important.

Brooks cares about flag lapel pins, so therefore, America cares about flag lapel pins. He wanted to see Obama squirm, so America needed to see him squirm.

Sullivan added:

We are losing a war, we have destroyed our fiscal future, the planet is in distress, we have effectively quit the Geneva Conventions, the economy, propped up by massive public and private debt, is teetering … and we all have to actually defend the fact that this election will be decided on the basis of closet Muslims, flag lapel pins, and ’60s terrorists?

Brooks actually gives ABC News an “A” for their questions. The job of debate moderators is to generate an actual discussion about the issues and questions that matter in deciding between two candidates. They make an editorial choice about what those questions are. To focus almost exclusively on idiotic process questions based on the lowest form of political debate imaginable is an editorial choice to run a tabloid freak show.

Brooks seems confused about what the point of a debate is. He seems to believe it’s about creating provocative television for the political elites. The debate is a game show, and it’s not any fun unless the contestants are sweating, preferably over whatever the pundits are chatting about in greenrooms in DC.

Look, I’m not a total prude when it comes to political theater. I know it’s television, so it won’t be all-substance, all-the-time. I can even appreciate the utility of keeping candidates on their toes with some unexpected, outside-the-box questions.

But last night, substance took a backseat to excessive discussion of trivia and process questions. There were, meanwhile, no questions about:

The financial crisis
The collapse of housing values in the US and around the world
Afghanistan
Health care
Torture
The declining value of the US Dollar
Education
Trade
Pakistan
Energy
Immigration
The decline of American manufacturing
The Supreme Court
The burgeoning world food crisis
Global warming
China
The attacks on organized labor and the working class
Terrorism and al Qaeda
Civil liberties and constraints on government surveillance

The questions were “excellent”? I don’t think so.

As I said in a previous post I believe I warned the Obamaphiles a couple of months ago that they were going to regret applauding the MSNBC biased bashing of Hillary because it was going to come back to haunt them when the media turned on Obama as of course they were going to eventually do. At that point in time, they screamed about how much all these types of trivial character and Gotch issues mattered -as long as the target was Hillary- and berated her and her supporters as whiners.

Well look whos whining now. As predicted those hypocrites who never worried about media bias before are now in a screaming tizzy now that they see that people might actually question Obama hard as well

Worse, is the complaint about the focus on character issues. Obama and his campaign have relentlessly pushed these issues against Hillary, and indeed is presently trying to push the “screw you” comment as news (Per Josh Marshall) so there is no basis for complaining when similar character issues are raised against him.

What the obamaphiles should be concerned about is how BADLY Obama answered these questions. Hell even his biggest admirer Andrew Sullivan admits he looked bad. I was watching with a undecided Pa. dem last night who hadn’t been paying that much attention previously and her response to his answer to the Rev. Wright questions is “well either he is lying about not hearing the comments or he isn’t a very religious man since he has very little knowledge about what happened in his church in the last twenty years and so is lying when he says he is a man of faith.” The fact that the focus group meters dropped on those answers also shows that alot of people aren’t buying what he is sellling and this issue isn’t as dead as you falsely proclaimed.

But of course I’m sure the regulars in this blog will do their usual stamping of their feet and blaming of everyone but their candidate for his mistakes.

It really is laughable. And I have no sympathy for it- reap what you sowed.

  • How about adding the return of writ of habeas corpus and posse commitate to your list. and the over bloated Farm bill that is preventing people from affording basic food staples Reducing the defense budget. returning those departments placed in the pentagon that really should be in state department.( by the Bush administration.) Oversight of the department of homeland security …

  • Careful, CB, with these serial postings you might be called Swan With Substance. 🙂 Just kidding.

    Was it my imagination or did Hillary look a little chagrined at being in this debate? I think she knows she’s been reduced to “spoiler”.

    In a sense it’s demeaning to all of us to actually care what butthole like Brooks tells the various buttholes who take him seriously. I say Screw’em.

  • Brooks seems confused about what the point of a debate is. He seems to believe it’s about creating provocative television for the political elites.

    No. He thinks it’s about promoting his side. He is a far right Republican, remember???

  • They didn’t address ANY of those topics? Seriously?

    “We may not like it, but issues like Jeremiah Wright, flag lapels and the Tuzla airport will be important in the fall…. ”

    Yeah, it’ll giver something for people to talk about, while they’re waiting in line for the soup kitchens.

  • “We may not like it, but issues like Jeremiah Wright, flag lapels and the Tuzla airport will be ISSUES I THINK WILL important in the fall…. ”

    fixed

  • Obama and Hillary should have got together beforehand and worked out a set of signals (like baseball managers), one of which should have been “This is full of shit. We’re out of here.” Then they should’ve invited the cameraman out on the sidewalk and debated each other there.

    ABC is the lousiest excuse for a major (or even minor) network I can think of. Brooks is similar as a journalist. They all deserve Fs. No, they should all be expelled. And kicked hard on the butt on the way out.

  • Somebody find out who gave George and Charlie their marching orders. This was so transparently coordinated. We need some good investigative reporting on this. Corporate media is attempting to frame the campaign as always. I hope this will backfire. The TeeVee media is becoming less and less relevant in my opinion.

  • Gee, a right-wing slime machine such as D. Brooks loves and admires the ABC right-wing slime machine. What a surprise… Even the reader comments to the Pittsburgh (Pennsylvania) Post-Gazette realize that the ABC “debate” was just another Republican smearing of Obama. When Pennsylvania finally gets around to voting next week, hopefully they will declare Obama the winner, and Hillary will finally get the message that it’s time for her to drop out of the race…

  • If it’s the journalists’ job to make the candidates uncomfortable, why not just put itching powder in their pants?

  • They didn’t address ANY of those topics? Seriously?

    Nope. Not a one.

    It was an hour on navel-gazing bullshit. And then something to the effect of “Now the economy is the number one concern of voters, so let’s turn to that now…” Really? So you’re admitting the rest was bullshit?

    And then, as the half hour they devoted to actual issues was winding down, an almost Dadaist moment where they said, “We’re running out of time, so in less than a minute … how would you deal with the gas price issue?”

    1-818-460-7477 to go direct to the complaint line. You have to wade through a couple automated menus, but then you can leave a message. Let’s fill up the mailbox.

    And if you haven’t, make a comment on ABC News’s website:
    http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/DemocraticDebate/story?id=4666956&page=1

  • Yellowcake . . . from Africa

    My great grandfather in Niger first forged the recipe for this potluck surprise. My husband John says it’s to die for.

    7 egg yolks
    1 tsp lemon extract
    1 1/2 Cups confectioners’ sugar
    10 egg whites
    1 tsp cream of tartar
    1 Cup cake flour
    1/2 tsp salt
    1 jar lemon curd
    1 Jar Tewkesbury mustard with horseradish
    1 can chocolate frosting

    Preheat oven to 325∞. Line bottom of a 10-inch tube pan with wax paper, cut to fit. Beat egg yolks, add lemon extract, and 1 cup confectioners’ sugar, and beat until thick and pale; set aside. Beat the whites until foamy, add the cream of tartar, and beat until the whites form soft peaks. Gradually add the remaining 1/2 cup confectioners’ sugar and beat until stiff. Stir 1/4 of the whites into the yolk mixture. Spoon the remaining whites over yolk mixture followed by flour and salt. Carefully fold until blended. Spoon into pan and bake 50-60 minutes, until a straw comes out clean. Invert the pan on a rack and let the cake cool completely before removing from pan. Cut the cake horizontally at the center. Spread the lemon curd over the bottom half. With a butter knife turned sideways, form a small trough around the cake half way between the center and the outside. Using a squeeze bottle, Fill the trough with Tewkesbury mustard with horseradish, but don’t let anyone see you. Replace top half of cake and frost.

  • Babbling Brooks is just that — babbling. He’s typical of that group of males — of whom I’d seen far too many growing up — who’d been told by their fond Mamas that they were the smartest, cutest, things on God’s earth. And who didn’t have enough sense to see, that Mamas tend to look through rose-coloured glasses at their adorable offspring, and that their opinions should be taken with a big pinch of salt…

    Not entirely OT. The front page of the same A section of NYT (Babbling Brooks is on the last but one, with the last always being reserved for a full-page ad) has an article/report on the last night’s “debate”. I haven’t yet read it but, if the title is suggestive of the content, there’s someone at NYT who sees things differently than Babbling. The title is: “Clinton Employs Broad Attacks in a Key Debate; Obama Won’t Take Bait”

  • This sham-of-a-debate was done for the benefit of SHILLARY and MCLAME – they actually represent the same interests.

    Are the clinton supporters here ready to acknowledge the TRUTH?

    It is time for meaningful action – BOYCOTT DISNEY – abc is their “mickey mouse” news operations – consisently “catapults the propaganda”

  • Truthsquad is obvious a student of Orwell and the book 1984 – excellent DOUBLESPEAK – tell a LIE and call yourself the TRUTHSQUAD.

    Must be a big fan of dur chimpfurher too – same propaganda technique and you seem to be standing up for the faux democrat – shillary.

    America was never meant to be a dynasty of the same criminal cabal that bush-clinton-bush-clinton represents.

  • If it’s the journalists’ job to make the candidates uncomfortable, why not just put itching powder in their pants?

    Isn’t that what monica lewinski did with bill clinton.

    Oh wait – bill put the itching powerder in HER pants and then offered to help her with a cigar, right?

  • What wasn’t to like? Republican frames, using Republican assumptions, pushing Sean Hannity’s oppo research without one question regarding the issues non-Republicans care about — IN A DEMOCRATIC DEBATE, FOR DEMOCRATIC VOTERS, IN A DEMOCRATIC PRIMARY!!!!!

    Can you guys fathom a GOP debate in which it is assumed SS is not broke, that the Iraq War is not super excellent, and devoting an hour to Romney’s hair and McCain’s constant “gaffes” regarding the most basic facts about Iraq?

    If they’re sucking up this bad to the GOP in a Democratic Primary, in front of a Democratic audience, when Republicans have lost power, then the MSM is shilling out of love and devotion. There’s no other explanation at this point.

  • It’s not the journalist’s job to make candidates uncomfortable — it’s their job to hold them accountable for STUFF THEY ACTUALLY DID.

  • We may not like it, but issues like Jeremiah Wright, flag lapels and the Tuzla airport will be important in the fall.

    Gee … that’s funny. It seems to me that the American public actually thinks the following things are important:

    The economy
    Iraq
    Health care
    The environment
    Education
    Infrastructure
    Education

    Of course, Brooks has such wide knowledge of Joe and Jane Sixpack that he’s decided China-made lapel pins and comments from anyone even tangentially connected to a candidate are more important than any of those issues.

    Why?

    Because he said so.

    **bangs head on desk**

    Oh, and Truthsquad is what happens when a mother feeds her kid big bowls of lead paint chips for breakfast. Ignore it long enough and it will find some other shiny object to occupy itself.

  • Obama should have seen this coming, and been better prepared. The kiddie gloves came off last night, he showed that he couldn’t take a punch, or land one for that matter.

    The “outrage” at ABC you are talking about is not really there, it is limited to a few heavily Obama leaning bloggers and op-ed writers. If you want to see real outrage, ask one of those typical white folks who cling to their religion and guns how they feel about being stereo-typed.

    Wright, Ayers, Khalidi, Rezko… at some point, the people you hang out with start to say alot about who you are, and then saying what he did about Pennsylvanians while at a fund raiser in San Francisco was just incredibly dumb, and couldn’t have come at a worse time for him.

    This was just hte beginning, information came out from the Rezko trial that puts him at odds with his story that he hadn’t met Iraqi born billionaire Nadhmi Auchi, when in fact he had.

    When Tony Rezko held a reception at his home for Iraqi-born billionaire Nadhmi Auchi on April 3, 2004, White House hopeful Barack Obama and his wife were also there, Stuart Levine testified just now at Rezko’s trial.
    Auchi is the man who provided Rezko a $3.5 million loan that Rezko did not disclose to the court — resulting in his January arrest.
    “Mr. and Mrs. Obama were there, were they not?” Rezko lawyer Joseph Duffy asked.
    “Yes, sir,” Levine said.
    Obama and his aides have said Obama has no recollection of ever meeting Auchi.

    This news will spread like wildfire this week, expect Obama to lose handily in PA.

  • Today, the Chicago Sun-Times asks:

    Barack Obama’s handlers may be telling the press Obama has NO “recollection” of a 2004 party at influence peddler Tony Rezko’s Wilmette house, but a top Sneed source claims Obama not only gave Rezko’s guest of honor, Iraqi billionaire Nadhmi Auchi, a big welcome . . . but he made a few toasts!

  • Glenn Greenwald has an excellent post at salon.com on the role these moderators played in the so called “debates” (though some of the time the candidates were actually debating the moderators). “…The only ones more pleased than right-wing polemicists were establishment journalists. David Brooks said he “thought the questions were excellent” and gave ABC an “A” for the debate….”

    That is how out of touch these “journalists” are with American opinion. Keeping the level of discourse on personality pettiness rather than the issues which republicans can never win any points discussing.
    Democrats always fall into the trap of letting republicans frame the discourse rather than just saying what is…so afraid of upsetting these wingers. For instance when Clinton was asked about McCain, rather than say he is a formidable opponent etc. she should have just laughed out loud and said,

    “Are you kidding? Ha-ha…More wars McCain who doesn’t have a clue about the economy and is just two steps away from utter senility..are you joking? The only reason he’s a candidate is because the republican party couldn’t come up with anyone less embarrassing. Of course Barack can beat him, I can beat him, a blind monkey could beat him because this nation is just sick of these insane destructive policies. Next question.”

    But no…the dems think they have to treat these vipers with respect, trying to play nice with people incapable of playing nice. As soon as you tell them how respectful you are of them they hit you in the face with a snowball and laugh at your stupidity. Look at what they’ve done, look at what they are, look at the condition of our nation. How can you possibly act as if they deserve any respect at all. Everything they do is from self serving motivations. I guarantee if Clinton would have responded to the McCain question in the above manner the moderators mouths would have dropped open and the crowds would have laughed and cheered wildly. Time to start treating these people like the scum they are, sicking the FBI on them when ever possible. You knew they were scorpions when you let them into the government they have set about to destroy.

  • Curiously, I thought the journalist’s job was to inform the public about important events and issues so that the citizenry could make the decisions we need to make in a democracy. Thank goodness Brooks is here to let me know that they are really supposed to be poking candidates with sticks just to see them squirm.

    What a sad, sadistic fool.

  • greg, obviously not an obama fan writes ; “The “outrage” at ABC you are talking about is not really there, it is limited to a few heavily Obama leaning bloggers and op-ed writers.”

    i would just like to direct him to the comment thread over at abc.com.
    http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/DemocraticDebate/story?id=4666956&page=1
    where you’ll find 14,000 comments, overwhelmingly aimed at the moderators performance [or lack of same] and overwhelmingly negative. the vast majority make no comment along the lines of obama being treated unfairly.

  • You over-the-top pro-Obama commenters here… if it got out how you feel about us HRC supporters… you might cause the Dems to lose the election by driving us away from the polls in November.
    While you criticize HRC for her “hell with them” remark about those southerners who abandon the Dem party… you are screaming loud and clear “TO HELL WITH THEM” at half the people who are still in the party.

  • Obama’s followers are so out-of-touch with anything resembling real life. They spend so much time on the Internet and sending text messages (to CNN and MSNBC and ABC telling the analysts “Barack won the debate”) that they don’t have a clue about real life. Most of them wouldn’t know what it’s like to work in a blue-collar job, or live in a small community – because most of them live in “Urban Archipelago” where they can wax philosophically and intellectually about all the ills of those ‘others’ out there.

    And then, they have the balls to complain because BIG O was finally confronted last night – something the media and the left wing should have been doing from day 1. Maybe this is payback for the crap that has been directed ad nauseum against Hillary Clinton from the day she announced her candidacy.

    When the left hemisphere stops dealing in double standards about news coverage of BIG O and Hillary Clinton, perhaps they’ll get Clinton supporters to join them in doing something constructive about the MSM. Until then, I wouldn’t count on any alliances. We’ll continue to take the media on by ourselves, if necessary, because it’s becoming increasingly apparent that the so-called progressive Democrats of the 21st century are no different than the macho left of the 60s and 70s.

  • Hillary and Barack have spent the last three weeks talking about:

    Reverend Wright
    Bosnian sniper fire
    elitists
    xenophobic white yahoos – sorry, I mean poor bitter working-class heroes
    xenophobic white evangelicals – sorry, I mean virtuous devout Christians
    xenophobic white gun nuts – sorry, I mean salt-of-the-earth deer hunters
    Rezko
    electability
    Annie Oakley

    The reason they’re campaigning on these “issues” is because their positions on real issues are identical. Why shouldn’t the debate moderators ask them about the stuff they’ve been campaigning on?

  • Utterly amazing ! The insipid whining from the Obama flock is almost entertaining were it not so completely pathetic. Had the press done their jobs in the first place and long before the Iowa caucus, I assure you, Obama would be back in Washington in his Senate seat trying to gain the experience he never had to enter this race to begin with. Imagine the Wright tapes being played just before Iowa and well … surely you get the picture. The OUTRAGE should be that the media and press never did their jobs in vetting Obama,but rather acted as if they were doing everything in their power to prevent Hillary from receiving any positive press while fawning over Obama like a newborn child. The negligence of the press has been stunning where Obama has been concerned as they collectively coddled him, protected and gushed over his ethereal rhetoric of “hope and change”.In essence, the media became Obamas base. Whether you want to accept it or not, Obama is a political fraud and his lies are mounting up like a garbage heap. He is no agent of change.There is absolutely nothing in his slim record which indicates he was or will ever be, this mythical agent of change His hope is based on premise it must be hope on Obamas terms not yours and as Maxine Waters said, “the poor do not need more hope, they need help”. Of course he always knew what his pastor was preaching and anyone who believes otherwise truly needs to have a reality check. The litany of lies Obama has “sold” his flock is stunning and if he succeeds to win the Presidency, it may well be later known as the Biggest Con Job in political history. Dean and his hard core Lefties are in a state of panic as he pleads for super delegates to endorse NOW, realizing Obama may not survive another night looking like a deer caught in headlights. The bottom line is this, Obama for the very first time was pressed for answers to controversial issues which go directly to who he is….and he crumbled and fumbled and of course tried to deflect the questions by using his flock again as his shield. “The people know better” Oh my if only his cult did know better they would be running as far away from that lying fraud in record time.

  • “The journalist’s job is to make politicians uncomfortable.” In the abstract, perhaps, but there’s a way to probe “contradictions and vulnerabilities” while remaining substantive. Obama has been evasive on nuclear energy; why not make him “uncomfortable” with some discussion of the policy? Clinton has been misleading about her roles in the creation of S-CHIP and the Family and Medical Leave Act; why not make her “uncomfortable” by scrutinizing her record?

    In your example of a substantive way of “making politicians uncomfortable” you are even doing it., Make Obama uncomfortable by engagaing him in a policy debate about nuclear energy? But for Hillary, make it personal, make her defend herself on her past with a he said, she said, others have reported type of question. If Hillary has to continually defend her past, why not Obama? I would love to see a debate on policy only, but as witnessed by your own examples, it seems impossible.

  • related fake news:

    POPE MEETS WITH BISHOPS

    After celebrating his first public Mass in America at Washington Nationals stadium, Pope Benedict XVI met with a group of the leading American Bishops. The main news emanating from this meeting was the Pope’s message that at this time there is an unprecedented opportunity for increase in church attendance.

    Pope Benedict noted that all across America people in small towns were frustrated with the failure of the U.S. government to respond to their needs and were turning to their traditions and to their churches. Some of these citizens were even bitter. In times like these, there is a return to faith and it is important that the Roman Catholic Churches be welcoming and help those who wish to cling to their religion.

    While His Holiness expressed regret at the circumstances that had made these people bitter, he was pleased that religion could provide refuge and comfort.

    homer http://www.altara.blogspot.com

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