Dean looking for superdelegates to decide ‘now’

There are competing tallies showing how Democratic superdelegates are planning to vote — it’s not an exact science, and some of these party leaders are still changing their minds — but by one updated count, Hillary Clinton now has the support of 252 superdelegates, 24 more than Barack Obama’s 228. That leaves 314 uncommitted, sought-after superdelegates.

Howard Dean, who’s been pushing the undecideds with varying degrees of subtlety, is growing more and more impatient with each passing week.

An increasingly firm Howard Dean told CNN again Thursday that he needs superdelegates to say who they’re for – and “I need them to say who they’re for starting now.”

“We cannot give up two or three months of active campaigning and healing time,” the Democratic National Committee Chairman told CNN’s Wolf Blitzer. “We’ve got to know who our nominee is.”

It appears that the uncommitted superdelegates have other ideas. USA Today and Gannett News Service spoke with “dozens” of them, and found that “they feel little pressure to resolve the heated nomination battle before the last primaries on June 3. Few said they expected the ongoing fight to damage their party’s chances in November.”

While that’s certainly a debatable point — I’m inclined to disagree with it — USA Today did add, “Most of the undecideds said they expect to make their choices known by July 1 — a deadline proposed recently by DNC Chairman Howard Dean — to avoid a showdown at the party’s Aug. 25-28 convention in Denver.” (This is at least mildly encouraging — 10 more weeks of intra-party wrangling is preferable to 18.)

Nevertheless, what’s likely to move the uncommitted superdelegates in one direction or the other?

In recent weeks, a handful of Obama-related flaps — Wright, “bitter,” Ayers, etc. — have been touted by the Clinton campaign and its supporters as the kind of stories that could sway superdelegates. In fact, that’s partly their job — take into consideration controversies that might matter in a general election.

The New York Times spoke with 15 uncommitted superdelegates who were largely underwhelmed by recent headlines.

[D]espite giving it her best shot in what might have been their final debate, interviews on Thursday with a cross-section of these superdelegates — members of Congress, elected officials and party leaders — showed that none had been persuaded much by her attacks on Mr. Obama’s strength as a potential Democratic nominee, his recent gaffes and his relationships with his former pastor and with a onetime member of the Weather Underground. […]

In interviews, 15 uncommitted superdelegates said they did not believe that recent gaffes by both candidates would carry any particular influence over their final decision. They said they had particularly tired of all the attention, by the Clinton campaign and the news media, on Mr. Obama’s recent comment that some Americans were “bitter” over the economy and chose to “cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren’t like them” as a result.

And if there were some moments of concern reflected in the debate — the talk of Mrs. Clinton’s high unfavorability ratings, Mr. Obama’s flashes of annoyance — they all doubted that those moments would be deal-breakers, either. Instead, most of the superdelegates said they wanted to wait for the results of at least the next major primaries — in Pennsylvania on Tuesday and Indiana and North Carolina two weeks later — before choosing a candidate.

In this respect, neither Obama nor Clinton are getting exactly what they want from these guys. Obama wants the uncommitted superdelegates to help him end the race by announcing their support immediately. They won’t. And Clinton wants them to consider the mini-controversies that have dominated the news lately and perceive Obama as unelectable. They won’t do that, either.

Stay tuned.

Nevertheless, what’s likely to move the uncommitted superdelegates in one direction or the other?

Think most of them are fairly umoveable–they’ve already made their decisions privately. Dean knows it and is asking them to stand up publicly.

  • The fact that Dean is laying down this ultimatum speaks itself to the fed-upness of more and more Democratic party leaders with the strategy/tactics of the Clinton campaign. Here’s another leader – Robert Reich – who has decided to endorse Obama after he said he wouldn’t endorse either candidate, as reported on a Daily Kos diary:

    http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/4/18/1496/98690/213/498119

    “I saw the ads” — the negative man-on-street commercials that the Clinton campaign put up in Pennsylvania in the wake of Obama’s bitter/cling comments a week ago — “and I was appalled, frankly. I thought it represented the nadir of mean-spirited, negative politics. And also of the politics of distraction, of gotcha politics. It’s the worst of all worlds. We have three terrible traditions that we’ve developed in American campaigns. One is outright meanness and negativity. The second is taking out of context something your opponent said, maybe inartfully, and blowing it up into something your opponent doesn’t possibly believe and doesn’t possibly represent. And third is a kind of tradition of distraction, of getting off the big subject with sideshows that have nothing to do with what matters. And these three aspects of the old politics I’ve seen growing in Hillary’s campaign. And I’ve come to the point, after seeing those ads, where I can’t in good conscience not say out loud what I believe about who should be president. Those ads are nothing but Republicanism. They’re lending legitimacy to a Republican message that’s wrong to begin with, and they harken back to the past 20 years of demagoguery on guns and religion. It’s old politics at its worst — and old Republican politics, not even old Democratic politics. It’s just so deeply cynical.”

    I have been arguing along with many others for quite some time now that the DLC, of which the Clintons are charter members, is the Republican wing of the Democratic Party. When they get desperate the masks come off.

  • How about this – let superdelegates hailing from PA, IL, NC and the remaining states hold off.

    But supers who live in states where primaries are over should commit, or at the very least announce that they are either “leaning Obama” or “leaning Clinton”.

  • Make the supers commit to the candidate that won their state. That would solve everything and Hillary would win. Pretty simple.

  • If the superdelegates’ decisions are made publice after the June primaries, the Democratic nominee will have five months to tackle McCain, and that should be enough time for the candidates to make themselves clear to America.

    It’s hard to know if John McCain is running his own campaign, but if so, his temper may be his downfall, leading him to make foolish statements or, even worse, to blow up in public. Nobody wants a hot-head with his hand on those buttons, and it’s really time America got to know the real John McCain through the prism of the Democratic-Republican confrontation.

    We can say that neither of the Democratic candidates has been under any real pressure from McCain, but McCain hasn’t been under pressure from the Democrats, either. There’s some real McCain red meat out there for the Democratic nominee to tear into, and I’ll be glad when s/he does. Just link McCain with Bush, easy enough to do, and show his strange vascillations over and over again, and he’s dead meat.

    Truth be told, I’m really tired of this primary campaigning. It’s gone on too long, and seems to be repetitive now. Maybe the Democrats can do something about it during the next four years, like have them occur in three months rather than six.

    At any rate, I’ll be satisfied if the Democratic nominee is decided by the end of June. Then, on to McCain.

  • What’s likely to move them?

    If they don’t want to bash their heads against a wall until the sweet, sweet coma comes after listening to Hillary’s campaign trash Obama over asinine things while praising McCain’s foreign policy experience and environmental cred, I don’t know what will move them. More cowbell?

  • First, I’m very impressed with Obama and I’m disappointed with the Clintons. But this is a tough, bloodletting, and sometimes viscious process. This is no contest for the delicate type.
    Next, I feel that the symbolism of letting the voters speak first (conclude the primaries) is important.
    Finally, I hope that the remaining uncomitted Supers will conclude this immediately after the last primary votes are counted, and the candidate with the most votes wins.

  • Obamanites whine like little sissys about everything. He even acts like a sissy. All Obama did yesterday was go around NC and whine about being picked on. Is this really the best democrats have to offer a whine ass sissy and his elitist attitude towards working class people. Its a shame.

    Have another latte.

  • Breaking: FWHDS Endorses Hillary (FWHDS – Firefighters with $100,000 salaries.)

    You know, because “in-touch” Hillary claimed during the debate that raising the payroll tax ceiling will affect firefighters. “Out-of-touch” Obama responded saying only 6% of Americans make that much much money.

    To me, that was game set and match.

  • Nearly all superdelegates (or ex officio delegates as they would be called in any civilized, pre-TeeVee nation) are federal or state legislators, i.e., people who are incapable of independent thought. They are occupationally atuned to gazing at the wind sock as long long as possible, then going with the flow. They are leaders in the sense of watching which way the parade is heading before rushing to its front. I don’t envy Howard Dean.

  • Dean, go away.. His subtle support for Obama is very transparent, along with Pelosi. Let the voters have their say, let the super delegates see how this plays out among voters, and once you have heard from everybody, then you they can decide.

  • I think that it is a good thing the supers are waiting this out. Obama was not at his best at the debate. He was stuttering and wordy. It was like he wilted underpressure. As for Obama supporters complaining about the debate. I think that is a good thing that they are doing that. Democrats know that that media is biased against them but that doesn’t mean they have to take it.

  • Danp – I think Comeback Little Sheba Bill is parodying what he thinks a Republican Clinton voter would say.
    I don’t believe for a moment that he would actually ever vote for a Democrat, Clinton or not. He’s just “stirring the pot.”

  • Micheline, the media has not been biased against Obama at all. Until very recently, he wasn’t being asked any of the hard questions. If you beleive he is the best candidate, then you should also beleive that he needs to show that he can handle situations where is is under pressure.

    Clinton has shown a lot of restraint considering that she did not go after him about Wright, and did not bring up the Ayers relationship (ABC did it for her) or Rezko, or Auchi, or any other of his shady friends.. do not expect the same from McCain.

  • Make the supers commit to the candidate that won their state. That would solve everything and Hillary would win. Pretty simple. -Comeback Bill

    Not if they divide up proportionally, which is a more democratic system, especially for a primary.

    I do however agree, you are ‘pretty simple.’

  • “He was stuttering and wordy” – Micheline (#13)

    Actually, he was doing what he almost always does, something you rarely see in American politics. Thinking. On his feet. Makes for lousy TeeVee, I’ll grant you that.

    “Clinton has shown a lot of restraint considering that she did not go after him about….” – Greg (#15)

    She didn’t have to. George and Charlie took care of that for her.

  • Greg

    Clinton has shown a lot of restraint considering that she did not go after him about Wright…

    The hell she didn’t.

    http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/news/breaking/s_558930.html

    Clinton: Wright ‘would not have been my pastor’

    Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, in a wide-ranging interview today with Pittsburgh Tribune-Review reporters and editors, said she would have left her church if her pastor made the sort of inflammatory remarks Sen. Barack Obama’s former pastor made.

    “He would not have been my pastor,” Clinton said. “You don’t choose your family, but you choose what church you want to attend.”

    Never mind her own connection to the radical rightwing zealouts in “the family”.

    http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/03/20/opinion/main3955108.shtml

    Hillary’s Nasty Pastorate
    The Nation: When It Comes To Unsavory Religious Affiliations, Clinton Is A Lot More Vulnerable Than Obama

    There’s a reason Hillary Clinton has remained relatively silent during the flap over intemperate remarks by Barack Obama’s former pastor, Jeremiah Wright. When it comes to unsavory religious affiliations, she’s a lot more vulnerable than Obama.

    You can find all about it in a widely under-read article in the September 2007 issue of Mother Jones, in which Kathryn Joyce and Jeff Sharlet reported that “through all of her years in Washington, Clinton has been an active participant in conservative Bible study and prayer circles that are part of a secretive Capitol Hill group known as “The “Fellowship,” also known as The Family.

    ….The Family’s most visible activity is its blandly innocuous National Prayer Breakfast, held every February in Washington. But almost all its real work goes on behind the scenes – knitting together international networks of right-wing leaders, most of them ostensibly Christian. In the 1940s, The Family reached out to former and not-so-former Nazis, and its fascination with that exemplary leader, Adolf Hitler, has continued, along with ties to a whole bestiary of murderous thugs. As Sharlet reported in Harper’s in 2003:

    ….At the heart of The Family’s American branch is a collection of powerful right-wing politicos, who include, or have included, Sam Brownback, Ed Meese, John Ashcroft, James Inhofe and Rick Santorum. They get to use The Family’s spacious estate on the Potomac, The Cedars, which is maintained by young men in Family group homes and where meals are served by The Family’s young women’s group. And, at The Family’s frequent prayer gatherings, they get powerful jolts of spiritual refreshment, tailored to the already powerful.

    Clinton fell in with The Family in 1993, when she joined a Bible study group composed of wives of conservative leaders like Jack Kemp and James Baker. When she ascended to the Senate, she was promoted to what Sharlet calls the Family’s “most elite cell,” the weekly Senate Prayer Breakfast, which included, until his downfall, Virginia’s notoriously racist Senator George Allen. This has not been a casual connection for Clinton. She has written of Doug Coe, The Family’s publicity-averse leader, that he is “a unique presence in Washington: a genuinely loving spiritual mentor and guide to anyone, regardless of party or faith, who wants to deepen his or her relationship with God.”

  • George and Charlie took care of that for her. -Ed Stephan

    Her former employee, George Snufflelaphagus and Charlie took care of that for her.

    No conflict of interest. Nothing to see here.

  • As much as I would LOVE for the supers to end this, I think waiting until June is probably the best course of action at this point. If the supers were to back either candidate before all the votes are in, it could thun off many people. That’s not to say that I think Hillary has a realistic chance–I don’t–but perception matters. We don’t want either candidate to appear to have won by less than genuine means.

    The DNC should consider shortening the primary season to, say, four months for future presidential primaries. That way even if there is another close contest the process would be wrapping up about now.

  • If the supers were to back either candidate before all the votes are in, it could thun off many people. That’s not to say that I think Hillary has a realistic chance–I don’t–but perception matters. We don’t want either candidate to appear to have won by less than genuine means.

    Totally agree with this. But between now and when she makes her ungraceful and ungracious exit, I just wish she’d stop spitefully swinging a baseball bat at the party’s chances in November.

  • Greg,

    I don’t think that Obama is friends with Ayers and Auchi. This six degrees separation has to stop. This doesn’t tell me anything about how Obama would govern. We Democrats need to stop accepting how Republicans frame issues. I have a hard time taking them seriously when they were repsonsible for the quagmire, mishandling Hurricane Katrina and the economy.

    With respect to Obama performance at the debate. What I find disappointing is that in the last three debates before this one he did well. Moreover, I find it odd that someone as eloquent as he is stutters during the debate. It is just jarring.

  • I concur with Micheline. The first thing that the Democrats need to do is stop letting the Republicans frame the issues/debates. Modern Dems are so worried about how the Republicans will attack them that they spend 95% of their time in a defensive crouch. I think that their thighs have cramped to the point where they are no longer capable of standing straight up and tall.

    The working class, which used to be the Democratic base, might be more inclined to vote for Dems regularly if they didn’t always look like such whining, sniffling, defeatists in the face of the Republicans. Who’s going to vote for someone who tells you that they’ll stand up for you, but won’t even stand up for him/herself?

    Whatever happened to FDR reveling in the fact that the bankers hated him and called him a traitor to his class?

  • From the weblog of Jonathan Cifre:

    the same people who are complaining about wanting to hear “the issues”, forget that George W. Bush also had “great issues” to discuss. He was, after all, the candidate who claimed that learning about his sordid past with alcohol and cocaine were mere “distractions” from the “real” aspects of his “mission”, which included “compassionate conservative” measures and a polished but “populist” approach. Bush also claimed that matters so “trivial” as his inability to communicate appropriately were inconsequential to his ability to become President. Bush often stated that discussing his apparent “baling out” from serving in the Vietnam War was irrelevant to the character that had “shook him for the better” when he found Christ. Never mind the fact that he had always lied about how and with whom he converted into an evangelical believer, and that he had (and has) never sent any of his own daughters to a “born again” function or church. But the Media told us that what was important were not the “negative details”, but the overall fact that he HAD become a better Christian. Ironically, many of his supporters also argued that Bush’s friendliness with the Saudi royal family was “guilt by association” and that it was thus “silly” to bring up. What did it matter that Bush had gone to Yale thanks to his family name? Who cared if he ran to the ground all of the companies that he administered before becoming a governor?

  • Greg – this citation also (conveniently) ignores that Bush’s proposals were not fact-checked. He got the fluff job from the press, just like McCain is getting now.

  • Greg,
    I’ve got a gordion knot of six degrees of separation for you. Marc Rich. The same Marc Rich who sold Iranian oil during the Iranian Hostage Crisis and was nailed for it by the Feds. And whose pardon was pretty much bought by his ex wife with donations to the Clinton Pres Library thru Hils slimy brothers. Of course, his lawyer was another “patriot”, Scooter Libby who sold out Valerie Palame a CIA agent working to stop nuclear proliferation by Iran. I think that going against your nation’s best interests are little higher on the judicial scale than the angry words of a preacher and the association with a 60s radical.

  • At least Clinton has OWNED her positions on Wright and Obama’s bitter comments, while Obama hedged on the Bosnia question, admitting his “campaign” was hammering on it, “of course,” yet somehow dodging personal responsibility for what his campaign is doing? That just seemed dishonest to me. If his campaign is doing it – HE is. I’d much rather see the candidates own their positions and actions, than try and appear above the fray, when their actions don’t match the perception they’re trying to falsely portray.

    My mother used to warn me about people who throw the rocks, then hide their hand.

    This is a presidental primary, and Obama expects to take the election on technicality. They sound worse than children at a pee wee baseball game demanding the other team forfiet because one of the other team’s players was late. Our VOTE is the foundation of our freedom – without it we have NOTHING!

    IF Obama had consented to re-votes, we wouldn’t even be dealing with this issue – OBAMA’S fault. The DNC CANNOT, without risking losing the general election, disenfranchise Florida and Michigan – the DNC’s fault for not dealing with this in a better way.

    NONE of this, however, is Sen. Clinton’s fault, and she shouldn’t be penalized to the point of having the nomination taken from her nor being forced out on a flawed delegate count by Dean or any of the Super Delegates. What happened to Pelosi’s and Obama’s statements that the super delegates should not go against the will of the people? They’re making her fight with both hands behind her back as it is by taking away FL’s and MI’s say in this process, now they want to shut out other 10 states who’ve yet to vote. This election is as much a sham as any in Iran or Russia.

    Frankly, I find it pretty slimy that Obama is jumping up and and down basically saying, GOTCHA, those are the rules, I win on a technicality (one that abuses the voters to boot), so you lose and you have to quit. Some community organizer, huh?

    You’d think if Obama really had this thing wrapped up as they claim, he and his supporters could learn to behave with little grace and dignity, be consolatory, as if they understand democracy and as if they actually want Clinton supporters to vote for Obama. But hey, maybe they think he can win without us. That should be interesting to watch.

    I will vote in the general election only if this primary is fair and all the votes are counted. If they’re not, why bother voting at all? They’ve made it crystal clear to Clinton supporters that votes don’t matter.

    ———————

    At least Clinton has OWNED her positions on Wright and Obama’s bitter comments, while Obama hedged on the Bosnia question, admitting his “campaign” was hammering on it, “of course,” yet somehow dodging personal responsibility for what his campaign is doing? That just seemed dishonest to me. If his campaign is doing it – HE is. I’d much rather see the candidates own their positions and actions, than try and appear above the fray, when their actions don’t match the perception they’re trying to falsely portray.

    My mother used to warn me about people who throw the rocks, then hide their hand.

    Doris, I couldn’t agree more. This is a presidental primary, and Obama expects to take the election on technicality. They sound worse than children at a pee wee baseball game demanding the other team forfiet because one of the other team’s players was late. Our VOTE is the foundation of our freedom – without it we have NOTHING!

    IF Obama had consented to re-votes, we wouldn’t even be dealing with this issue – OBAMA’S fault. The DNC CANNOT, without risking losing the general election, disenfranchise Florida and Michigan – the DNC’s fault for not dealing with this in a better way.

    NONE of this, however, is Sen. Clinton’s fault, and she shouldn’t be penalized to the point of having the nomination taken from her nor being forced out on a flawed delegate count by Dean or any of the Super Delegates. What happened to Pelosi’s and Obama’s statements that the super delegates should not go against the will of the people? They’re making her fight with both hands behind her back as it is by taking away FL’s and MI’s say in this process, now they want to shut out other 10 states who’ve yet to vote. This election is as much a sham as any in Iran or Russia.

    I WILL VOTE IN THE GENERAL ELECTION ONLY IF THIS PRIMARY IS FAIR AND ALL THE VOTES ARE COUNTED. IF THEY’RE NOT, WHY BOTHER VOTING AT ALL? THEY’VE MADE IT CRYSTAL CLEAR TO CLINTON SUPPORTERS THAT VOTES DON’T MATTER.

  • There is a difference between Bush and Obama. Prior to entering into politics, he was a ne’er do well who sobered up when he was in forties. This is not the case with Obama. Obama is a self-made man. Bush had to rely on Poppy to get by. Obama is a wonk. Bush is not. I could go on and on.

  • One stimulus toward making an endorsement is that, if you are a superdelegate who wants to parley your endorsement into gratitude from the endorsee, you want to make your endorsement as soon as you can guess who the victor will be, and ahead of everyone else’s endorsment. You want to start a stampede or at least be at its forefront, rather than endorsing after the fact when it benfits you only a little more than having endorsed the loser.

    Pressure against making an endorsement includes the problems that your endorsement may piss off the candidate that you didn’t endorse and the voters who favor that candidate.

    I’m very interested to see what happens, but if I had to guess I’d predict a stampede for Obama when he remains slightly ahead even after losing the Indiana primary. We’ll see.

  • @27
    If she didn’t run the worst campaign since, well, Kerry then I can see your frustrations. But the inevitable tag. The arrogance. The inept spending. The poor fiscal control. Underestimating an opponent. Poor strategic and tactical decisions. Poor leadership. Poor communication. Praising John McCain. Tuzla. Other than that, you’re right.

    Of course it isn’t Hillary Clinton’s fault cause she’s so perfect that she craps gold nuggets.

  • Teri B.,

    No matter how many times within the same comment you repeat yourself, it doesn’t make it true.

    Again, no matter how many times within the same comment you repeat yourself, it doesn’t make it true.

    🙂

  • “Nevertheless, what’s likely to move the uncommitted superdelegates in one direction or the other?” A politician who will do a job FOR them,instead of ON them?

  • Yes, I did it on purpose, or do you think maybe I hit the wrong button and copied what I wrote on my word processing problem twice? Is petty all you got?*rollseyes*

    I have always maintained that I will support the Democratic nominee, whoever it is, but THIS is TOO MUCH! Amazing, Obama gets a taste of the beating Clinton has been taking for over a year, and Howard Dean wants to stop the election. Well, that’s fine, but if the DNC continues down this path of undemocratically handing this election to Obama, McCain will be our next president. There’s only so much unfairness and insults the members of half this party will take, before we abandon it.

    At least McCain actually won his party’s nomination in a fair and democratic way. I’d rather sanction that, than what Dean is perpetrating against his own party’s members.

  • May 21 is the date for the real rush. Oregon & Kentucky will have been counted and Obama will have more than 50% of the available Pledged Delegates.

  • Since the primaries have run so long without making it *overwhelmingly* clear who the nominee is, I can see the point of letting all of them run their course; by now, the expectations of the voters in the remaining states (of maybe making a difference, for once) have been raised too high to be dashed. But. Why wait till July 1? Why not determine the nominee as soon as the last primary is over? Say, by June 7 (to give the last state some time for final counting etc)? Even those 3 extra weeks make a difference.

  • Comeback Bill:

    Are you calling Obama a sissy in comparison with the woman that starts crying when the campaign trail gets tough?

  • Yes, I did it on purpose, or do you think maybe I hit the wrong button and copied what I wrote on my word processing problem twice? Is petty all you got?*rollseyes* -Teri B.

    I think you’re obviously misspeaking. Clearly there are subtle differences in each iteration of your repeated comment (like the all caps closing), and wouldn’t you have to actively insert the line between the two iterations?

    Also, In the second iteration you also reference ‘Doris’ who doesn’t appear to be any commenter present. Maybe you just borrowed the comment from elsewhere? Copy and paste is the hallmark of a troll, along with an all caps closing argument.

    Aside from those mistakes, you seem to generally have no idea what the hell you’re talking about, so forgive my pettiness, but when someone blames what happened in Michigan and Florida on Obama, I pretty much know immediately they’re too far gone in either sycophantic worship of Clinton or general stupidity (more likely the intersection of those demographics) to respond to on the merits of their baseless claim.

    Roll your eyes all you want. You’re still wrong and still annoying.

  • Steve,

    Are you going to write about the Congressional Insiders Poll that findsby a 54% to 41% margin Democratic lawmakers believe Sen. Barack Obama is a stronger candidate than Sen. Hillary Clinton, while Republican lawmakers think Clinton would be stronger, by 53% to 45%.

  • What am I missing here? The superdelegate hedging wimp factor — or is my recent lack of sleep clouding my thinking?

    My neighbors and I had to decide on March 12. We did it and we survived. How much more information do these idiots need to express a preference — not a vote, but a preference.

    Let’s say Obama reaches the magic threshold and a month from now something comes up that makes him unelectable and the public turns against him. There’s nothing to stop them from casting their real votes at the convention for Clinton. Or Howdy Doody if that’s what they decide. If the public turns on Obama to the extent that he becomes truly unelectable, who’s going to complain that someone else gets the nomination at the convention?

  • I don’t know about the other caucus states, but Washington’s state convention of delegates won’t happen until June. If superdelegates are waiting until their states hold conventions to determine the true count of delegates, then that is what needs to happen. I know everyone finds it hard to be patient with the process, but it is what it is.

  • MY FELLOW “BITTER”, STUPID, WORKING CLASS PEOPLE 🙂

    If you think like Barack Obama, that WORKING CLASS PEOPLE are just a bunch of “BITTER”!, STUPID, PEASANTS, Cash COWS!, and CANNON FODDER. 🙁

    You Might Be An Idiot! 🙂

    If you think Barack Obama with little or no experience would be better than Hillary Clinton with 35 years experience.

    You Might Be An Idiot! 🙂

    If you think that Obama with no experience can fix an economy on the verge of collapse better than Hillary Clinton. Whose 😉 husband (Bill Clinton) led the greatest economic expansion, and prosperity in American history.

    You Might Be An Idiot! 🙂

    If you think that Obama with no experience fighting for universal health care can get it for you better than Hillary Clinton. Who anticipated this current health care crisis back in 1993, and fought a pitched battle against overwhelming odds to get universal health care for all the American people.

    You Might Be An Idiot! 🙂

    If you think that Obama with no experience can manage, and get us out of two wars better than Hillary Clinton. Whose 😉 husband (Bill Clinton) went to war only when he was convinced that he absolutely had to. Then completed the mission in record time against a nuclear power. AND DID NOT LOSE THE LIFE OF A SINGLE AMERICAN SOLDIER. NOT ONE!

    You Might Be An Idiot! 🙂

    If you think that Obama with no experience saving the environment is better than Hillary Clinton. Whose 😉 husband (Bill Clinton) left office with the greatest amount of environmental cleanup, and protections in American history.

    You Might Be An Idiot! 🙂

    If you think that Obama with little or no education experience is better than Hillary Clinton. Whose 😉 husband (Bill Clinton) made higher education affordable for every American. And created higher job demand and starting salary’s than they had ever been before or since.

    You Might Be An Idiot! 🙂

    If you think that Obama with no experience will be better than Hillary Clinton who spent 8 years at the right hand of President Bill Clinton. Who is already on record as one of the greatest Presidents in American history.

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    If you think that you can change the way Washington works with pretty speeches from Obama, rather than with the experience, and political expertise of two master politicians ON YOUR SIDE like Hillary and Bill Clinton..

    You Might Be An Idiot! 🙂

    If you think all those Republicans voting for Obama in the Democratic primaries, and caucuses are doing so because they think he is a stronger Democratic candidate than Hillary Clinton. 🙂

    Best regards

    jacksmith… Working Class 🙂

    p.s. You Might Be An Idiot! 🙂

    If you don’t know that the huge amounts of money funding the Obama campaign to try and defeat Hillary Clinton is coming in from the insurance, and medical industry, that has been ripping you off, and killing you and your children. And denying you, and your loved ones the life saving medical care you needed. All just so they can make more huge immoral profits for them-selves off of your suffering…

    You see, back in 1993 Hillary Clinton had the audacity, and nerve to try and get quality, affordable universal health care for everyone to prevent the suffering and needless deaths of hundreds of thousands of you each year. 🙂

    Approx. 100,000 of you die each year from medical accidents from a rush to profit by the insurance, and medical industry. Another 120,000 of you die each year from treatable illness that people in other developed countries don’t die from. And I could go on, and on…

  • DON’T BE DUPED !!!

    Large numbers of Republicans have been voting for Barack Obama in the DEMOCRATIC primaries, and caucuses from early on. Because they feel he would be a weaker opponent against John McCain. With Hillary Clinton you are almost 100% certain to get quality, affordable universal health care very soon.

    But first, all of you have to make certain that Hillary Clinton takes the democratic nomination and then the Whitehouse. NOW! is the time. THIS! is the moment you have all been working, and waiting for. You can do this America. “Carpe diem” (harvest the day).

    I think Hillary Clinton see’s a beautiful world of plenty for all. She’s a woman, and a mother. And it’s time America. Do this for your-selves, and your children’s future. You will have to work together on this and be aggressive, relentless, and creative. Americans face an even worse catastrophe ahead than the one you are living through now.

    You see, the medical and insurance industry mostly support the republicans with the money they ripped off from you. And they don’t want you to have quality, affordable universal health care. They want to be able to continue to rip you off, and kill you and your children by continuing to deny you life saving medical care that you have already paid for. So they can continue to make more immoral profits for them-selves.

    Hillary Clinton has actually won by much larger margins than the vote totals showed. And lost by much smaller vote margins than the vote totals showed. Her delegate count is actually much higher than it shows. And higher than Obama’s. She also leads in the electoral college numbers that you must win to become President in the November national election. HILLARY CLINTON IS ALREADY THE TRUE DEMOCRATIC NOMINEE!

    As much as 30% of Obama’s primary, and caucus votes are Republicans trying to choose the weakest democratic candidate for McCain to run against. These Republicans have been gaming the caucuses where it is easier to vote cheat. This is why Obama has not been able to win the BIG! states primaries. Even with Republican vote cheating help.

    Hillary Clinton has been OUT MANNED! OUT GUNNED! and OUT SPENT! 4 and 5 to 1. Yet Obama has only been able to manage a very tenuous, and questionable tie with Hillary Clinton.

    If Obama is the democratic nominee for the national election in November he will be slaughtered. Because the Republican vote cheating help will suddenly evaporate. All of this vote fraud and republican manipulation has made Obama falsely look like a much stronger candidate than he really is. YOUNG PEOPLE. DON’T BE DUPED! Think about it. You have the most to lose.

    The democratic party needs to fix this outrage. Everyone needs to throw all your support to Hillary Clinton NOW! So you can end this outrage against YOU the voter, and against democracy.

    The democratic party, and the super-delegates have a decision to make. Are the democrats, and the democratic party going to choose the DEMOCRATIC party nominee to fight for the American people. Or are the republicans going to choose the DEMOCRATIC party nominee through vote fraud, and gaming the DEMOCRATIC party primaries, and caucuses.

    Fortunately the Clinton’s have been able to hold on against this fraudulent outrage with those repeated dramatic comebacks of Hillary Clinton’s. Only the Clinton’s are that resourceful, and strong. Hillary Clinton is your NOMINEE. They are the best I have ever seen.

    “This is not a game” (Hillary Clinton)

    Sincerely

    jacksmith… Working Class 🙂

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