Lieberman is not ‘with us on everything but the war’

The NYT notes today that the Democratic leaders in the Senate are aware of the disgust and disappointment over Joe Lieberman, but they’re not especially concerned about it.

There is much speculation that the Democrats will run Mr. Lieberman out of their caucus (he now sits with Democrats and votes with them on most issues not related to the war) if they widen their margin in the Senate after the November elections. But Harry Reid of Nevada, the Senate Democratic leader, has pledged that he would not disown Mr. Lieberman under those circumstances and said he considered him a good friend.

A member of the Senate Democratic leadership, who insisted on not being identified, said: “The bloggers want us to get rid of him. It ain’t happening.” He added: “We need every vote. He’s with us on everything but the war.”

This doesn’t come as too big a surprise. Lieberman told The Hartford Courant this month, “I can tell you Sen. Reid had talked to me a few times and said he knows there will be talk if we get more than 51 Democrats next year. As far as he is concerned, I will retain my seniority, et cetera, no matter how many Democrats there are next year.” Asked on Tuesday whether Lieberman’s chairmanship was at risk in the next Congress, Reid said succinctly, “No.”

I continue to think this is absurd, in part because Lieberman is a lousy committee chairman, and in part because a larger Democratic majority would mean we wouldn’t need to placate him anymore. Nevertheless, at the risk of sounding picky, the notion that Lieberman is “with us on everything but the war” is not only wrong, it’s foolish.

As Brookings’ Thomas E. Mann, a non-partisan political scholar, told the Times, “It’s one thing to have a principled position on an issue at odds with that of your party. It’s another to become the champion of the other party’s nominee in a presidential election.”

Exactly. To read that quote from the party leader balking at bloggers’ dismay, one is led to believe Lieberman is a reliable Democrat on everything except the war. I suspect that leader isn’t paying very close attention to recent headlines.

Even if we put aside the many issues on which Lieberman has ignored the party’s interests — Social Security, Bush’s judicial nominees, the White House “faith-based” initiative, tort reform, school vouchers, the “blame Hollywood” movement — consider that just this week Lieberman said he’s considering giving the keynote address at the Republican National Convention, and said he thinks it’s reasonable to ask whether the likely Democratic presidential nominee is a “Marxist.”

Ed Kilgore, hardly a lefty ideologue, argued the other day:

Back when Lieberman first endorsed McCain, Ken Rudin of NPR did a useful analysis of precedents. The last example he could find of a Member of Congress endorsing the opposing party’s presidential candidate without retribution was in 1956, when Adam Clayton Powell, at that point the only African-American Member of Congress, endorsed Eisenhower. You can understand why Democrats might have refrained from punishing him. But since then, three congressional Democrats endorsed other candidates (John Bell Williams of Mississippi and Albert Watson of SC in 1964, and John Rarick in 1968), and all were stripped of their seniority in the House. Unlike Lieberman, all three were, if nothing else, faithfully reflecting the views of their constituents. […]

This is, in sum, the Line You May Not Cross if you choose to identify yourself as a Republican or as a Democrat. John McCain surely understands that; had he followed the entreaties of some of his own staff in 2004 by endorsing — much less joining the ticket of — John Kerry, he would have been stripped of his party prerogatives instantly and eternally.

The fact that Joe Lieberman hasn’t just endorsed McCain, but has actively campaigned with him from New Hampshire to Florida to Iraq, and has also made it clear he’d be happy to speak at the Republican National Convention on his behalf, is an indisputable self-expulsion from the Democratic ranks, certainly made no less definitive by his semi-self-expulsion in 2006. […]

[S]orry, no degree of “independence” or “bipartisanship” or “personal friendship” can justify what he’s done in supporting the Republican candidate for president. He’s picked sides in the one choice that most defines party, and those who continue to admire him should accept the consequences.

I don’t doubt that Lieberman has been good friends with Reid, Durbin, Schumer, and others in the party leadership for years. They’ve been to each other’s homes, they’ve traveled together, their families know one another. I’m sure there’s genuine affection between them on a personal level.

But, painful though it may be, there’s a time for putting those personal feelings aside, and that time is upon us. Lieberman has betrayed his party and his constituents; to reward him for his behavior sets a dangerous precedent and weakens the party when it needs to be strong.

Lieberman must be ashamed. He knows better than to split to the party that displayed such disgusting tactics during the 2000 presidential race. Yet today he sleeps with the same vile group of cowards. He thinks he can have it both ways by claiming ‘independence’, though I so hope that soon he’ll be unemployed.

  • Reid should be more worried about his job as leader. He makes Tom Daschle look like Winston Churchill. He can have Appropriations – there’s precedent for that move.

  • I am not one for giving Reid the benefit of the doubt but what’s to say that Reid isn’t just blowing smoke up HoJo’s backside right now? Does he have much to lose doing that right now? I would think Reid knows what happens after the beginning of November is what really counts. I would also think Reid knows there will be holy hell to pay if Lieberman stays come December.

  • I think it’s long past time that Reid be summarily dumped.

    His support of Lieberman is just the most recent of his many, many failures, as anyone who has watched the last two years can wearily testify.

  • It is simply impossible to get Democrats in the U.S. Senate to act in their party’s interests, let alone the nation’s interests, if it involves unpleasantness for themselves in any way-even on the level of losing a personal relationship because the other person screwed you.
    This is why I support Obama. Nothing will be done domestically by either Democrat as president because the Senate will block every initiative and you bet the Dems don’t have the guts to outlaw the filibuster or anything.
    In foreign affairs, the president will have some power, and that is where Obama is superior to Clinton.

  • When this topic came up the other day, someone, on either this blog or a similar one, said that there’s nothing to be gained by threatening Lieberman now. That’s absolutely true. If the Democrats really clean up in November and are close to, or in a really good situation, have sixty seats, it’ll be a lot easier to effectively neuter him. But right now, they need him. And while Reid might have to eat his words, he’ll take at most one week of criticism for this–from inside the Beltway, no less–and then it will be forgotten. Give Reid some slack for now. If Lieberman is still allowed to run free after a good election night, then we’ll have a problem.

  • Reid and Pelosi have to go.

    Has anyone seen the ad on the teevees with Pelosi and Gingrich where they talk about getting the leaders to do something about the environment? I was flabbergasted. I think Ms. Pelosi doesn’t realize that she’s third in line. You are supposed to be our leader, Madame Speaker. Here’s a concept for both you and Reid:

    DO SOMETHING!

    I watched Scott Ritter speak yesterday about his book Waging Peace. He’s an amazing guy if you haven’t seen him or read his stuff. A self described Republican who is aghast at what his country – OUR country – has become. He said it best, without the constitution there is no America. It will still be here but it won’t be the America we know.

    If Reid and Pelosi don’t do something, which I am not holding out any hope for, we might as well burn the constitution right now and say Fuck It, this is not what we’re about any longer – because right now, we are most certainly not America.

    Mr. Reid, fuck you and your “friendships.”

    You are supposed to represent THE PEOPLE. Have you noticed The People are not happy with all this? Return us to the rule of law – for every American citizen including those in office.

  • Patience is the key to dealing with Joe Lie; patience, and the unwavering desire to further strengthen the Democratic majority in the Senate. Even if he were to be demoted, he can stand on his “independent democrat” mantra and side with enough GOPers to maintain a solid 40-plus voting block—and thus stop any legislation whatsoever from going through.

    The defeat of the Joe Lie branch of the Senate (Lieberman and his new bunk-mates on the GOP side of the aisle) will come (1) from further strengthening the Democratic majority in the House, and (2) putting Obama in the WH. A House majority vote, coupled with executive orders, can side-step the Senate easily (Bush has been almost perfect at side-stepping the entire Congress, so Obama should be able to just-as-easily sidestep one chamber). this tactic would never have a chance with McSame (he’s so-ooo pro-GOP it smells like a skunk), and Clinton (aka McSameSame) clings to the status quo as if her very political life depended on it (which, by the way, it does).

    If Obama needs to fill vacancies via recess appointment (because of the Joe Lie branch of the Senate), I’m fairly certain that the Senate Majority Leader would be sure to schedule plenty of recesses for that very reason—summarily blocking all GOP attempts at preventing those vacancies from being filled.

    Lieberman becomes nothing more than a bench-warmer, no matter what side of the aisle he sits on. He becomes a contemporary “Benedict Arnold”—and will be remembered forever as such….

  • Actually, there is something to be gained by giving Lieberman (I, Israel) the caucus boot and it’s called self-respect. When he gives the speech at the Republican Convention he should be tossed.

  • I don’t understand why people keep being upset about it, when the Democratic Leadership refuses to remove Lieberman from his seniority posts.

    What do you think would happen? Lieberman gets stripped of his seniority and Chairmanship –> Lieberman stops caucusing with the Democrats –> Lieberman starts caucusing with the Republicans and/or joins the Republican party –>

    This would effectively turn control of the Senate back to the Republicans.

    Sure people will point out that Lieberman is already caucusing with the Republicans, yadi yadi..etc… Maybe he is but officially he is still doing it with the Democrats… and that is what counts.

    I doubt that Lieberman will hold on to his seniority after the election. After the election, no Democratic leader will feel the need to maintain the fragile balance by ‘allowing’ the pretense of Lieberman being a Democrat.

    I think he will be stripped and ‘kicked’ out of the privilege of caucusing with the Democrats. Just like Colin Powel waited until AFTER the election to resign, and Bush waited to fire Rumsfeld AFTER the election… Do you think the Democratic party works any different, when it comes to playing politics? Just because the Republicans are far better than Democrats when it comes to playing politics; Democrats have the basics down as well.

    So… express your frustration, but stop whining about Harry not doing anything about it. Personally… I don’t think Harry will be the majority leader after the election.

  • reid and the dem leadership has done NOTHING but enable the chimperor each and every step of the way – of course they will enable joe LIEberman.

  • What do you think would happen? Lieberman gets stripped of his seniority and Chairmanship –> Lieberman stops caucusing with the Democrats –> Lieberman starts caucusing with the Republicans and/or joins the Republican party –>

    This would effectively turn control of the Senate back to the Republicans.

    No, that’s simply not correct. As I posted on the Kilgor thread, this WaPo article confirms that for this Congress, the leadership situation is set:

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/01/04/AR2007010400802_pf.html

    From the article:

    Republican leaders decided not to seek special language spelling out the terms of a transition in case of a power shift — say, if Johnson vacates his post and his state’s GOP governor appoints a Republican to replace him. Under that scenario, power would effectively shift to Republicans, because Cheney would provide the tiebreaking 51st vote. But for Republicans to take parliamentary control, the Senate would have to vote for new organizational rules, a move Democrats could filibuster.

    A similar scenario unfolded in January 2001, when a 50-50 Senate convened. In 2001, Democrats demanded a “kick-out clause” in organizing negotiations that would automatically scrap agreements on committee ratios and funding levels and force new organizational rules. But Republicans decided this month against a confrontation that would come from demanding a similar clause.

    I should note that Kilgore doesn’t think this is written in stone. But the notion that a Lieberman purge would automatically result in Rep control is at the very least over simplistic.

  • Actually, ResumeMan, it “would” turn control of the Senate back to the GOP—with Cheney being allowed to vote every time there’s a tie. Giving that evil thug the right to vote would be, in and of itself, a crime against humanity….

  • Reid can’t take any other position with Lieberman right now. But after the election, both Reid and Lieberman are probably in for some surprises of the not-too-pleasant variety.

  • Hey. You see this yesterday at TPM? In a nutshell, unless the Dems run the table on Senate elections, they’ll still need every vote they can get. And that means that keeping Lieberman as close as possible makes space for fighting other battles and courting other fickle maidens. Or something like that. The point is, it may not be pleasant, but it might just be good strategic politicking.

  • What do “good, strategic politicking” and Reid have to do with one another? Nov 5th starts the Reid-Pelosi extraction.

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