Identifying Clinton’s target audience

Over the last several weeks, we’ve seen a few items explaining just how difficult it would be for Hillary Clinton to catch up to Barack Obama, but Ezra reminds us today that “the math is harder for Clinton to make up with every passing day.”

There simply aren’t enough contests remaining for Clinton to close the gap among pledged delegates, and Obama’s lead is also out of reach: “If you add Florida, where neither campaigned, she’s still 300,000 votes behind. If you cheat and add Michigan, where Obama wasn’t on the ballot, and you give him the ‘uncommitted’ voters (as some Clintonites have suggested), she’s still 188,000 votes behind. If you do all of that, and then Clinton wins every remaining contest by 10 points, according to Rick Hertzberg’s calculations, she’ll still be 160,000 votes behind. And that doesn’t even include Obama’s caucusgoers [in Iowa, Nevada, Maine, and Washington state], who aren’t in the straight popular votes tally. Point being: She’s not making up the popular vote either.”

So, what does this tell us? That Clinton needs to win over about two-thirds of the remaining uncommitted superdelegates, which would be quite a challenge.

I’m struck, however, by the fact that Clinton doesn’t seem to be targeting superdelegates much at all. To be sure, the remaining superdelegates who are on the fence are no doubt the target of an intense lobbying campaign from the Clinton (and Obama) team. But what I’m talking about is the public face of Team Clinton — shouldn’t they be doing more to impress the very small target audience that could give Clinton the boost she needs?

There have been two weeks since the Pennsylvania primary. The first week, Clinton was fairly aggressive in claiming that she now has the popular vote lead. That might work on a lay audience that’s unsure of the details, but superdelegates tend to be pretty well-informed insiders who are not easily taken in by dubious talking points. Clinton was pushing an argument that was very unlikely to work on those she needs to win over.

This past week, Clinton was extremely aggressive in pushing for a “gas-tax holiday,” blasting anyone who dared to take reality seriously as an over-educated elitist who’d been bought off by Big Oil. Again, superdelegates surely saw through this rather pathetic pandering, which, again, seems counterintuitive — Clinton’s argument seems aimed at low-information voters, when she should be aiming for high-information voters.

Shouldn’t she?

Michael Crowley noted this afternoon:

On MSNBC John Harwood just asked Harold Ickes how Hillary’s gas tax gimmick (my word not his) “is playing with your real audience, the superdelegates.” I’ve heard this line before: That the gas tax holiday isn’t just bad policy, it’s bad politics insofar as superdelegates see it as a cynical pander that turns them off to Hillary.

Maybe. But at the end of the day, I think Hillary’s goal, when it comes to winning that improbable supermajority of undeclared superdelegates, is simple: She needs to convince them that she is more electable than Obama. And the best way for her to do that is to win states, win votes, and lift her standing in the polls — to establish a narrative that she’s gaining strength and momentum, and that Obama is turning out to be a flawed national candidate. Gas tax pandering is a means to that end, and that end supersedes everything. The race will not ultimately be decided on policy grounds.

I think that’s absolutely right. Clinton has been playing some very frustrating cards lately, but her strategy isn’t dumb. Her specific message is targeted at rank-and-file voters, not superdelegates. But after that message has worked, Clinton can take her broader message to the party insiders (elites?) who have her fate in their hands.

Step One: win over voters with sketchy arguments. Step Two: win over superdelegates by pointing to Step One.

Step 3: lose in general election to an opponent who will out-pander her. Clinton won’t have much credibility to draw on if she tries to point out McCain’s own pandering.

  • Step One: win over voters with sketchy arguments. Step Two: win over superdelegates by pointing to Step One.

    Yep. She just wants to convince the supers that her bullshit sells.

  • Why has no one pressed the important point that Hillary’s gas tax holiday plan not only won’t work, it won’t be tried?

    Bush would veto the measure for sure, but Hillary hasn’t even proposed a bill. This issue is literally a non-starter, but she’s promising voters she’s going to fight for them and deliver a gas tax reprieve for them. For all her attacks on Obama as being all talk and no action, this is that in crystal clear terms.

    It may work for her here, but what happens after the primaries, after the summer, when nothing’s been done on this promise and it’s clear that her proposal really was a crass pander to the primary voters? What then?

  • Unfortunately, as the past 28 years (at least!) of American politics proves, Mencken was right back in 1924 when he said that nobody ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American people.

    If she manages to pull it off this way, lying through her teeth with her mouth dripping honey, I am through.

    David Geffen was right: the Clintons lie with such ease that it’s scary.

  • “If you add Florida, where neither campaigned, she’s still 300,000 votes behind. If you cheat and add Michigan, where Obama wasn’t on the ballot, and you give him the ‘uncommitted’ voters (as some Clintonites have suggested), she’s still 188,000 votes behind. If you do all of that, and then Clinton wins every remaining contest by 10 points, according to Rick Hertzberg’s calculations, she’ll still be 160,000 votes behind.

    If you look at Hertzberg’s calculations, I don’t think he finds this at all. He finds that Clinton would be ahead — the 10 points in the remaining contests results in 450,000 votes more for Clinton:

    “I calculate that roughly another four and a half million people will vote in the remaining Democratic primaries. If Clinton wins these by the overall margin she piled up in Pennsylvania—i.e., around ten points, 55-45—she will net another 450,000 votes.

    Here’s what that would do to the margins in our eight categories, in the order I’ve discussed them, starting with just the D.N.C.-approved primaries down to the two “corrected” (by me) Michigan-included ones:

    Regular primaries:

    Obama’s margin: 51,298

    Regular + four caucus states:

    Obama’s margin: 161,520

    Regular + Florida:

    Clinton’s margin: 243,474

    Regular + Florida + caucuses:

    Clinton’s margin: 133,252

    Regular + Florida + Michigan:

    Clinton’s margin: 571,783

    Regular + Florida + Michigan + caucuses:

    Clinton’s margin: 461,561

    Regular + Florida + Michigan + uncommitted:

    Clinton’s margin: 371,783

    Regular + Florida + Michigan + caucuses + uncommitted:

    Clinton’s margin: 261,561”

  • I do believe she is following the old American tradition of not leaving any cash left on the table. Right now, that cash is coming from small contributors who absolutely believe it is Clinton’s turn (and time for a woman) or who can’t, for whatever reason, stand the thought of Barak Obama as the Democratic candidate.

    The only way to keep the money coming in from these folks is to tell them you are going to fight this all the way to Denver, no matter what.

    Once that money is gone, however (maybe this Wednesday?), Hillary will be gone as well.

  • My thought with the gas tax holiday is that it should hurt her not only because it is an obvious pander, but also because she is putting a fairly significant group of superdelegates (her Senate colleagues) in a really nasty spot if she pushes legislation as she has been promising to do. They know it is bad policy, but it is also the sort of bad policy that gets you nailed in elections. I can’t imagine that setting up Right Wing attack ads is a good way to win fence-sitters to her side, but what do I know? Maybe they will be impressed by how her terrible rhetoric wins even while it hurts their re-election campaigns.

  • Gas tax pandering, creative vote counting, and then there is her focus on the ultra-right dirty-tricks voters who clearly won’t vote for her even if she wins the nomination. I’m sure the superdelegates see through not only these three things, but also the fact that the media is promoting her for now. In the GE, the media will point out Hillary’s about-face on healthcare, as Michael Moore did in Sicko. You’ll be hearing more than ever about fund raisers Norman Hsu, Charlie Trie, Peter Paul, Christopher Korge, etc. Mark Penn lobbying against her stated position barely got a mention outside the blogs. Her dirty tricks campaign will be new news if only because they never reported it before. I just don’t see how supers are even viable.

  • Step One: win over voters with sketchy arguments. Step Two: win over superdelegates by pointing to Step One.

    Is Step One actually succeeding? It seems unlikely, given how fast her (and McCain’s) gas-tax holiday plan was debunked by a number of economists. And honestly, I think aren’t giving enough credit to voters who are keenly aware of the price of gas to see through it.

    Add to that Obama’s argument criticizing her plan was in line with said debunking -and I suspect that will resonate far more with voters because it frankly made sense.

  • The only way to keep the money coming in from these folks is to tell them you are going to fight this all the way to Denver, no matter what.

    Once that money is gone, however (maybe this Wednesday?), Hillary will be gone as well.

    This is my partner’s assessment as well: She’s in the red and after Indiana and NC, there’s no more money and no way to raise it.

  • I don’t see how Hillary can win over the superdelegates with Republican-sized idiocy like ignoring the advice of economists. Will she also ignore the advice of climate specialists, military experts, diplomats, world leaders, the UN, and so forth? If so, we’ve got another Bush on our hands. Next she’ll be saying that God told her to run for president.

  • I haven’t looked closely at this, but HuffPo is reporting that Clinton plans to try to convince the DNC Rules & Bylaws committee (meeting at the end of May) to seat Florida and Michigan as is. Apparently her supporters represent a majority on that committee.

    Good luck with convincing them to do this; I think it’s much more likely that the DNC will, as reported elsewhere (and I can’t recall where right now–sorry), seat 50% of Florida dels (in other words, give them half-votes but in the respective percentages Clinton and Obama got in the “primary”) and 50% of Michigan dels. In the latter case, I think they’ll have to split the delegates they do seat 50-50 between Clinton and Obama. What else could they do given the situation with that “primary” ballot?

    Not a bad deal for Obama, as Clinton only picks up a few delegates and it plugs her nonsense about voter disenfranchisement while still “fining” the states for going outside DNC rules (which is absolutely necessary if we aren’t going to have states holding their 2012 primaries along about mid-2010). Clinton, of course, will want both states seated 100% as is with full delegate counts, but it ain’t happenin’, girl.

  • It looks like her target audience is also the media morons who want this race to continue as long as possible. To hell with the mathematics, that’s just elitist junk.

  • Maria (12): The one thing I think is safe is that Florida and Michigan will not play a factor in deciding the nominee. If Hillary concedes at some point, they may get all their delegates seated. If she doesn’t they may get delegates seated on a 50-for-him, 50-for-her basis. But they sure wouldn’t dare make up new rules that change the outcome.

  • I don’t really care. They’re both mealy-mouthed conservative Democrats. I’ll vote for either of them.

    Really, I wish Obama would stop fighting for a centrist position or the ‘opposite’ position on policies and instead actually stake a position worth fighting for – like the gas tax holiday, but on something that matters instead.

    If he can show he can learn from those positions that he hasn’t commanded a majority of Democrats yet and instead finds a middle within our party, I think he’d swipe the remaining primaries.

    But he hasn’t done anything yet. Bah.

  • Rick Hertzberg’s calculations are flawed and only amount for 4.5 million voters over the remaining contests. This is off by about 4 million votes, and I’ll tell you why.

    Puerto Rico had over 2 million voters turnout for the 2004 primary, and the turnout for this primary is expected to be much higher (source)

    Expected turnout in NC is 1.5 million (source)

    Indiana is expecting record turnout as well, but no estimates that I could find, but 4 million registered voters means the turnout is likely to be between 1 and 2 million (source)

    These are only 3 of the remaining contests, and already I have accounted for 4.5 million voters.

  • Shouldn’t she?

    I guess it depends on what you think her goal is. I still respectfully disagree with you and think she’s aiming for the ‘I told you so,’ run in 2012. I think her only priority is Hillary Clinton. Democrats and the American people be damned.

  • “It looks like her target audience is also the media morons”

    I think that has certainly been the driving force keeping this going. Realistically, she should have dropped out after Wisconsin. Its been ratings gold for the media, and the loonier she gets, the better it is for them. I think the media created circus has also infected voters. Its clear she can’t win the nomination without resorting to dirty backroom deals (and that won’t happen). Its no insider secret. anyone who even casually follows the news has to be aware of it. I really, and regrettibly, think alot of voters are intetionally keeping this going for the sheer grotesque spectacle of it. Its a political version of Britney Spears. I’m not referring to voters in the Limbaugh Operation chaos scheme, either. I think regular people are fueled by the media generated freak show, and want to be part of it.

  • Danp, I agree with you. Those delegations absolutely will not be seated as is unless she concedes, and they will not affect the outcome. The option being discussed (50% seating–that is, a half-vote for each delegate), probably divided 50%-for-him, 50%-for-her in both states but certainly in Michigan, is not going to change the results. It will, however, provide some accommodation to the upset people in Michigan and Florida while still maintaining the DNC’s primacy over the rules.

    In that sense, it certainly doesn’t hurt Obama to go along with it, even though the DNC could quite fairly leave both states completely out of the process.

    Until now, I haven’t thought that the Clinton camp seriously expected to get Michigan or Florida seated in any capacity; it’s seemed to be smoke and mirrors designed to prolong the illusion of her viability. But now that her campaign confirmed earlier today that they really will try to get the DNC to change the rules, it’s obvious to me that they will try anything now.

  • Hillary is a heavy favorite at this point, the cable news channels tell me so every single day. Shame on you for interpreting the actual numbers instead of sticking your finger in the air to determine who has the most “momentum”.

  • After watching BushCo win in 04 and come close enough in 00 by using similar “smart” campaign tactics all I can say is: [PUKE].

    Maybe I’m just clinging to a foolish notion that the average Democratic voter is too intelligent to fall for this crap.

  • The money argument is like trying to catch the wind. Anyone who says they know where it’s coming from are only guessing. I know they filed on a Friday, but doesn’t anyone remember that they reported like 70 million in net worth? She’s loaned five so far. Another 20 would float her for a long time and leave them with almost fifty million dollars. Chelsea’s nest egg would be very intact. Even if my math is way off, she’s got plenty pandering to do, at least in the near future.

  • Hillary follows an age old tactic that has been used effectively by aristocratic elites from early on in American history — unite the common man against a created, common enemy. This is a thinly disguised attempt by supposedly liberal elites like the Clintons to create common ground between themselves and the common people in a manner similar to the way that the right wing forces maintained order by brandishing symbols that created unity with the poor and middle class whites. By creating common enemies, the latest being big oil in Hillary’s case, she can create a smoke screen that she is a uniter. Plus, while she says that the oil companies will plug the hole created by the gas tax holiday, she has not shown how she could possibly come up with the money to fulfill her major campaign pledges including health care. Like her mentor, she is taking the sneak route. If Bill was slick, Hillary is just downright greasy and hard to wash off.

  • If tomorrow is a wash as everyone expects…
    Then it is as good as two broken ankles to her:

    She’s running out of track…
    She’s running out of slander…
    She’s running out of money…
    She’s running out of sustainable math…

    She has definitely run out luck.

    As the joke youtubie flying around has it:

    Q: What’s the difference between Clinton and a zombie?
    A: The zombie knows it is dead.

  • The paradox you identify, needing the Supers but trying to work the populist crowd, comes from the Clinton’s need to prove to the Supers that there is nothing special about Obama’s popularity–that by negative campaigning his popularity can be sullied. The rest is triangulation, which they apparently are still quite fond of.

  • For this gas tax ballyhoo to work in Clinton’s favor, she not only has to convince the regular voters it’s a great idea (which by and large doesn’t seem to be the case – most folks seem to undertstand they’d save little-to-no money and roads would suffer), she has to convince them that she’s been trying to get the bill to pas, she failed, and IT’S ALL OBAMA’S FAULT, and that’s why you HAVE to convince your superdelegates to vote for her!

    THAT’S a tall order, and would require even more gullibility of the American public than Mencken would’ve given them credit for. I almost can’t blame Clinton for trying it, after all, we had enough stupid Americans in 2000 who went to the voting booths thinking “I’m not voting for Bush, I’m voting for my 300 dollar stim-yoo-luss check” and how long did THAT money last all y’all? And this scheme won’t even come close to saving 300 bucks for most folks). But hopefully now enough people remember, and enough people are suspicious of her in the first place, that they realize how shamless a pander this is, and why she’s so desperate to use it, and what it really means for her inability to win on her own merits.

  • I think there’s a tendency to overanalyze here (so let me join in). Superdelegates are not going to be moved one way or the other by the intricacies of a proposed, completely hypothetical four month suspension of the gas tax combined with a windfall profits tax on oil companies, as HRC proposes. And the point is not to say she’d actually get it through this year, it is to say “here’s what we’d be proposing if I was in the White House right now.” It’s a classic Clintonian relief measure that is limited in scope and won’t blow the budget apart, even if it does have some cost. Any one such measure isn’t going to make a huge difference, but if you keep piling on incremental changes like that favoring the working class you get the 1990s again, or so the argument goes.

    Superdelegates are going to be moved to Clinton, if they are moved at all, by a string of primary victories. The gas tax issue is aimed at votes.

    She hopes to force the superdelegates to take a long hard look at whether they are willing to nominate someone who lost New York, New Jersey, Massachusetts, California, Texas, Ohio, Pennsylvania, (and, she hopes) Indiana, Kentucky, etc. and is running behind McCain in the polls in states like Ohio, Pennsylvania, and Florida (where many voters are going to hold a grudge over being disenfranchised).

    The whole point is to change the media narrative to a discussion of electability. If she can keep Bill muzzled (notice you have not heard anything too controversial from him lately) and keep the winning streak going, she can draw to an inside straight.

    Of course it gets tripped up if Sen. Obama gets some big wins, but that’s a function of the fact that he’s in the lead, and she has to play a come from behind strategy.

  • ‘Clinton’s argument seems aimed at low-information voters” a little condescending today, are we?

  • ‘Clinton’s argument seems aimed at low-information voters” a little condescending today, are we?

    The truth has a well-known elitist bias.

  • You “high information” voters don’t recognize a socially and fiscally conservative candidate when you see one. Obama admires the Republican Party as the party of ideas–his phrase
    and touts Reagan’s policies; does not advocate universal health care–only health care for children and has only the fact that he wasn’t around to vote for the Iraq War to recommend him as a progressive candidate. He also considers those less fortunate as bitterly clinging to their guns, religion and prejudices. Who is making condescending generalizations about people? Maybe your “high information” is not so accurate after all. Is all that smugness really justified? Doesn’t look like it.

  • ‘Clinton’s argument seems aimed at low-information voters” a little condescending today, are we?

    Obama’s slight delegate lead is largely due to caucus results in red states, and the fact that Obama was not vetted by the media until just before Pennsylvania’s primary, with nothing but adulation and softball questions from the MSM, and his message of hope (anyone hitting the hope bong lately??), and his insistence that HRC was too polarizing and had too many negatives to be electable, compared to his squeaky clean image and his status as a uniter.. In light of recent events, all I can say is… Really?!?

    At any rate, the times have changed, and the superdelegates know it.

    Check out the general election map for Obama vs. McCain, he does not get the necessary 270 electoral votes to beat him in the GE.

    Now check out Hillary vs. McCain, she wipes the map with him

    This is not new, this trend has been the same for weeks. Hillary is handily beating McCain in GE polls, largely due to those BIG swing states with lots of electoral votes, you know, the ones BO say don’t matter because he can possibly win in smaller states that were previously red states.

    The math does not add up folks, and the super delegates are well aware of that fact.

  • She hopes to force the superdelegates to take a long hard look at whether they are willing to nominate someone who lost New York, New Jersey, Massachusetts, California, Texas, Ohio, Pennsylvania, (and, she hopes) Indiana, Kentucky, etc.

    Yeah, that’d be bad. On the other hand, I think the superdelegates need to take a long hard look at whether they are willing to nominate someone who lost Illinois, Virginia, Colorado, Wisconsin, Washington, Minnesota, Georgia, Missouri, Maryland, Iowa, North Carolina, and Oregon.

  • Obama ain’t losing NY, MA, and CA come the gereral. Cmon, the superdelegates know that, as do you.

  • MY FELLOW “BITTER”, STUPID, WORKING CLASS PEOPLE 🙂

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    You Might Be An Idiot! 🙂

    If you think Barack Obama with little or no experience would be better than Hillary Clinton with 35 years experience.

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    If you think that Obama with no experience can fix an economy on the verge of collapse better than Hillary Clinton. Whose 😉 husband (Bill Clinton) led the greatest economic expansion, and prosperity in American history.

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    If you think that Obama with no experience fighting for universal health care can get it for you better than Hillary Clinton. Who anticipated this current health care crisis back in 1993, and fought a pitched battle against overwhelming odds to get universal health care for all the American people.

    You Might Be An Idiot! 🙂

    If you think that Obama with no experience can manage, and get us out of two wars better than Hillary Clinton. Whose 😉 husband (Bill Clinton) went to war only when he was convinced that he absolutely had to. Then completed the mission in record time against a nuclear power. AND DID NOT LOSE THE LIFE OF A SINGLE AMERICAN SOLDIER. NOT ONE!

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    If you think that Obama with no experience saving the environment is better than Hillary Clinton. Whose 😉 husband (Bill Clinton) left office with the greatest amount of environmental cleanup, and protections in American history.

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    If you think that Obama with no experience will be better than Hillary Clinton who spent 8 years at the right hand of President Bill Clinton. Who is already on record as one of the greatest Presidents in American history.

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    If you think that you can change the way Washington works with pretty speeches from Obama, rather than with the experience, and political expertise of two master politicians ON YOUR SIDE like Hillary and Bill Clinton..

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    If you think all those Republicans voting for Obama in the Democratic primaries, and caucuses are doing so because they think he is a stronger Democratic candidate than Hillary Clinton. 🙂

    Best regards

    jacksmith… Working Class 🙂

    p.s. You Might Be An Idiot! 🙂

    If you don’t know that the huge amounts of money funding the Obama campaign to try and defeat Hillary Clinton is coming in from the insurance, and medical industry, that has been ripping you off, and killing you and your children. And denying you, and your loved ones the life saving medical care you needed. All just so they can make more huge immoral profits for them-selves off of your suffering…

    You see, back in 1993 Hillary Clinton had the audacity, and nerve to try and get quality, affordable universal health care for everyone to prevent the suffering and needless deaths of hundreds of thousands of you each year. 🙂

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  • JackSmith you are so full of shit. You come here and regurgitate that bullshit as if any thinking person buys it.

    I’ll add you to people who suck. Lying and ignorant sack of shit.

  • You “high information” voters don’t recognize a socially and fiscally conservative candidate when you see one.

    Sure we do.

    That’s why we don’t care for Hillary and vote for Obama by a large margin.

    If Democrats wanted a conservative, we’d vote for McCain.

  • MobiusKlein — there is no reason why Obama should win CA in Nov. First, CA is the state of Reagan and currently has a Republican Governor. Second, it has a strong Hispanic demographic that does not like Obama at all. Third, CA is not particularly a union state, a source of Obama strength elsewhere. Fourth, Obama doesn’t know how to reach beyond his African American constituents to the working class people in CA who are suffering most from the gas prices (due to long commutes without public transit), losing value in their homes if they’re not being foreclosed on, losing jobs at a higher rate than the national average, struggling with higher prices for commodities and higher taxes than most other places except NY and Boston (which also went for Clinton), and sending more troops to Iraq compared to other states, (yes, Obama’s promise to end the war should resonate with them, but his perceived lack of pride in America will not.) CA is not in Obama’s pocket for the same reasons the state went so heavily for Clinton. Obama will be in big trouble in CA (beyond SF).

  • The Clintons are returning to the WalMart crowd -(indeed the GOP has targeted WalMart moms this fall,the back to school shoppers )This is a demographic that is receptive to this gas tax rhetoric ,many of these people dating back to Hillary’s days on WalMart board and Bill’s Governorship of Arkansas.Again, this is revisionist history-Hillary NEVER helped women get equal pay at WalMart,Union busting was in its heyday during her Board tenure(and still is)and , as President,Bill signed Nafta that opened the floodgates to Chinese goods,lowering the quality of goods and price of worker’s wages.Bill also signed an agreement relinquishing the Panama Canal. On the eve of the recent Pennsylvania primary,a reporter asked a Clinton aide,”What will Bill be doing on election day?” The staffer replied,”I think he’s planning on leading a group of WalMart greeters to the polls”-New Yorker magazine.(Greeters are usually elderly folk that stand at entrances to WalMarts.)

  • Mary said: CA is the state of Reagan and currently has a Republican Governor.

    So? It had the same Republican Governor when Kerry won the state in 2004.

  • Gee, Mary, those are all heartfelt, highly emotional arguments, but your avowed disdain for elitist facts and measurable knowledge has screwed you once again. Obama beats McCain in California, and by larger margins than Clinton does.

    I’m guessing that your “academic research” is quick and efficient, given that you apparently just make shit up to fit your preconceived hypothesis. Have you ever considered getting a job in the Bush administration? There’s still time and you’ll totally fit the profile if you avoid telling them too much about your personal life.

  • It is absolutely true that Mr. High and Mighty doesn’t know how to reach past African American voters to the people who actually work for a living, meaning whites, Hispanics and Asians. I know that makes some of you angry, but smearing me with a racist label for once again having to point out that black people are lazy only shows how prejudiced against women most of you really are.

  • There is something afoot with Clinton that doesn’t seem to get as much mention. Her campaign is targeting the delegate selection to get herself more delegates. I attended my state’s delegate selection caucus, & watched as ‘former’ Clinton supporters & donors were elected delegates pledged to Barack Obama. If it happened here, I am sure it is playing out anywhere else that they can. After the first ballot pledged delegates are free to vote as they want. I wouldn’t be shocked to see Hilary find a way to win the nomination if she can carry on to the convention.

  • Mary– you really think that CALIFORNIA WILL VOTE FOR McCain?!?!???!?

    Are you f’n kidding me???? You think the only area that will go for him is SanFran? Why?

    You just proved how little you understand the state of California.
    You just proved how little you understand electoral politics.

    Scratch that, you just proved how little you understand politics in general.

    No wonder you’re a Clinton supporter.

  • Clinton’s willful mendacity on the “gas-tax holiday” reminds me of the 1974 Democratic primary for State Controller here in California, where my boss, a member of the San Francisco Board of Supervisors who is still one of the smartest guys I ever met in politics, was running against a candidate from Central California (whose name I cannot remember and who is so obscure a Google search didn’t turn it up) who was a moron. I mean, we’re talking an early George W. Bush type (only he was a Dumocrat).

    His campaign slogan was “The man the oil companies fear the most!” Now you have to understand, the California State Controller has no role whatsoever in anything in California state government that has anything to do with setting policies or enforcing laws that have the slightest connection to any oil company anywhere. In fact, at one big political dinner, the Chairman of Union Oil came up to me and asked who the guy was. This interested me, and I asked him why he was asking. “Because we’re all scratching our heads trying to figure out who the guy is and what he means,” he replied.

    My boss had detailed plans and programs for a bunch of things that the State Controller had some power with, such as a plan to put a freeze on the property tax assessments of residential property at a lower level, while taxing commercial property owned by corporations (with a small business exemption) at the market rate, that would have effectively derailed Proposition 13 and not left us in the financial mess we are in now, where the only beneficiaries of Prop 13 are corporations who never sold their property, still paying in the 1978 rates, while 99% of residential property owners are not benefitting as they were told they would (another far right scam).

    The other guy had nada, couldn’t speak in public as well as Georgie-Boy can, and just kept wailing away in his ads with “the man the oil companies fear the most!”

    Did I mention the campaign was right in the aftermath of the 1973 oil embargo (where gas went from 27 cents a gallon to 55 cents a gallon!)?

    And that campaign slogan (added to the fact he outspent us on TV 2:1 in the Los Angeles market), WON THE FREAKIN’ ELECTION!!!! He went on to enjoy four terms in office, only leaving when he decided he wanted to retire to his ranch, and – like I said – did so little that Google can’t find his name.

    Proving that Mencken was right. It is impossible to underestimate the intelligence of the average American when you aggregate them. (they may be smart individually, but as Madiison Avenue has known for 100 years, in large numbers they are sheep).

  • Actually, Mary, here in California, according to a recent poll, if the primary was being held in June like it used to be, OBAMA WOULD BEAT CLINTON BY 20 POINTS. Back in February, she won here on the later-proved-irrelevant “inevitability” argument.

    You poor girl, one of those academics who’s not a member of “the reality-based community.”

  • No one has voted for Clinton due to “inevitability”. Further, I didn’t invent the dissociation between African Americans (as a demographic group) and the so-called working class, generally considered to be a bunch of white racists clinging to guns and religion (not my characterization either).

    This blog post assumes that anyone who agrees with its own arguments (and those of Obama) must be a high-information voter, whereas anyone who supports Clinton must be low-information. These sorts of formulations just insult people without throwing any light on the questions at hand.

    I wasn’t aware of the polls mentioned above, but it is pretty easy to cherry pick poll results favorable to an argument. Anyway, it is an empirical question whether CA will go for Obama in Nov. I addressed the point about whether it was inevitable. It isn’t. CA has gone Republican several times in the past and could in the future, so taking it for granted seems wrong to me.

    I see a big difference between Kerry and Obama, so pointing to Kerry’s successes in CA doesn’t make any sense to me. I could as easily use Kerry’s results to show that Clinton would sweep CA. What would that prove? Obviously a Dem is capable of winning in CA. I addressed whether it was inevitable, as Obama supporters would like to assume.

  • I wasn’t aware of the polls mentioned above

    Of course you weren’t. Your track record of checking the facts before you open your piehole is 0 for 1000 here. You must be a treat in the classroom.

    but it is pretty easy to cherry pick poll results favorable to an argument

    (Patiently) Yes, I suspected that would be your next attempt at a defense, but Pollster.com lists all the available polls for every state. You don’t know your own state, you don’t know the available online election resources and experts, you have no idea what’s actually happening in this election, you make no effort to find out–you just keep running your uninformed, willfully ignorant mouth.

    whereas anyone who supports Clinton must be low-information.

    I certainly don’t assume that of every Clinton supporter; I know plenty who are extremely well versed in both policy and election process. But with posts like these, you prove over and over that you’re as low-information, high-bullshit as they come.

  • I can’t help but think that Clinton’s strategy is not to win over the super delegates but to make them “the enemy”. She knows she can’t win them so she will sideline them and convince “the people” that the super delegates are part of the elitist conspiracy against her. That way when the inevitable happens and the super delegates come out against her she can say “See, I told you. The elite establishment, those economists, politicians, and egg-heads, doesn’t want me, the people’s candidate, to win”. The uninformed will think she really is the people’s candidate and will demand that the super delegates keep quiet. It then goes to the committee and the wheeling and dealing truly begins.

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