‘The eight best years we’ve had in modern history’

Bill Clinton raised a few eyebrows over the weekend — and even drew quite a bit of criticism — for giving himself a little pat on the back for a job well done while campaigning in Lebanon, Indiana.

Just in case you were wondering how Bill Clinton feels about his tenure as president, he said this to a crowd here:

“Folks, it’s always a mistake to bet against America. It was tough in 1968, and we came back. It was tough in 1992 and we wound up with the eight best years we’ve had in modern history.”

As the crowd roared in agreement, he concluded, “We can bring America back.”

I suppose we can debate what constitutes “modern history,” but I’m very much inclined to think Clinton’s quite right about this. His tenure wasn’t perfect, but looking back over the last couple of generations, his boast actually sounds pretty reasonable to me.

Clinton’s presidency got off to a relatively rough start, and the Republican take-over of Congress in ’94 was unpleasant. As a party, Democrats, in general, were not necessarily better off at the end of Clinton’s term in office than at the beginning.

But in terms of overall national strength? I’d put Clinton’s eight years up against any in a very long time. Indeed, I don’t think it’s an overstatement to believe that Hillary Clinton’s initial role as the ’08 frontrunner was driven, at least in part, to a widely-held belief that she might follow in her husband’s footsteps and restore some Clinton-era peace and prosperity.

Yglesias noted, “[T]here was a solid 5+ year peacetime boom in there with few precedents, and American living standards really did reach a peak in 1998-2000 that was higher than anything in our earlier history and that we’ve yet to regain. If you’d been president then, you’d be bragging, too.”

There’s a reason Clinton left the White House with the highest approval ratings since JFK.

Ezra does a nice job of adding a historical perspective.

…1995-2000 was a pretty great time for America. This was true, in part, because of roaring economic growth and the tech boom and the fall of the Soviet Union and relative global peace. But it was also true because America’s had a growing economy for most of its history and almost every year is better than the year before it. We’re richer, can buy more interesting stuff, cure more diseases, sample more types of cuisine, and all the rest. FDR might have been a better president than Bill Clinton, but the late-90s, which featured both the internet and cholesterol lowering medication, were quite a bit more pleasant than the early 40s.

I guess the counterargument here is that there are certain moments of national purpose and triumph (like the immediate post-war period) that made American life better than a simple economic reading would suggest and certain moments (like the George W. Bush period) in which a mood of fear and insecurity and national disappointment rendered the moment less pleasant than the objective statistics would suggest. But fluctuations aside, the beauty of living in a rich, developed, and growing nation is that things keep getting better, and so every decade features some of our best years up till that point. The 90s happen to look particularly good right now because Bush is a bif screw-up, but I have high hopes for 2011-15.

Something to look forward to.

As for the Big Dog, I don’t have any problem agreeing with his boast, or even giving him a pass on his self-congratulations. I think the question that matters now, though, is whether his success as a president can necessarily be transferred to his wife’s campaign. After all, Hillary has some very impressive skills, talents, and experiences, but they’re not the same skills, talents, and experiences as her husband.

I think the question that matters now, though, is whether his success as a president can necessarily be transferred to his wife’s campaign. After all, Hillary has some very impressive skills, talents, and experiences, but they’re not the same skills, talents, and experiences as her husband.

Oh, my, that’s for sure. And remember, this election isn’t about Bill Clinton; as our more want-it-both-ways Clinton supporters are always telling us, Hillary Clinton is not an extension of her husband…except when Hillary wants to claim his accomplishments. Otherwise, it’s sexist to even mention that the second-place candidate for the Democratic nomination used to be m-a-r-r-i-e-d to a p-r-e-s-i-d-e-n-t. Shhhh.

  • Unions and the environment into the toilet with his “trade deals.”

    Republicanization of domestic policy.

    Health care set back 20 years.

    Far Right takes majority of Congress for first time in 40 years.

    Yeah, right – hey were the best 8 years in modern history…

    If you’re a Rockefeller Republican.

  • Steve – I applaud your efforts to remain neutral in the Dem Primary but everytime I read your posts in relation to Hilary I feel like you come across hoping that she will somehow find the honorable way to win the nomination. Its like you are a super-del that doesn’t want to say whom he supports but without a good reason. Its just the impression I get but may be reading too much into your posts.

    Is it to try to remain neutral and to maintain some objectivity of your analysis of today’s politics?

    Just interested in knowing why you haven’t thrown your support one way or the other.

    A pleasure reading your site and keep up the great work!

  • One has to have an extremely low bar for determining “success” to describe Bill Clinton as anything other than the worst Democratic president of the 20th Century.

    No wonder I never voted for that conniving con-artist.

  • While I feel that Bill Clinton’s presidency was largely positive, his performance on the campaign trail working to get his wife elected has been deplorable.

    I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, the biggest failure of the Clinton presidency was lack of energy policy which in turn set the stage for BushCheneyCo. to rape this country.

  • She-Unworthy-of-Naming is not WJC. The tech-boom of today exists in the Pacific Rim and in Mainland China—not the US. There is no “freshly-collapsed USSR in 2008; Russia is actually on the rise, and a good deal of its old Soviet habits are re-emerging.

    Dems were not imitating megalomanic saber-rattlers in those years; the candidate WJC associates himself with today “is” a megalomanic saber-rattler.

    Where will the WJC nex-gen presidency create millions of jobs? Technology? Nope—already taken. Fuel efficiency? Please—China has better fuel efficiency than we do; they’ve been their for a decade. Alternative fuels? There’s a laugher; we should have been on a fusion crash program when he was president the first time. Biofuel technology and research is so far behind the curve that it’s a joke—“feed your grain-fueled SUV at the expense of starving children.”

    America was not hated, distrusted, ridiculed, maligned, and snubbed by the rest of the world then—it is now, though. What is needed is a novel approach that throws out the old bathwater of “politics-as-usual.” It’s too late to save the baby, because it’s already been thrown out. AUMF, Guantanamo, torture memos, rendition flights, and the right-wing talking points embraced by She-Unworthy-of-Naming have already seen to it.

    In short—it is physically impossible to reanimate an aborted fetus. when such a thing has been done, it cannot be undone. No amount of feel-good reminiscing will reverse the shaken-to-the-core fact that we, as a nation and as a People, must now embrace the creation of the New.

    WJC does not embrace that creation; he seeks to remain chained to the sinking ship of status quo….

  • I think one of the best things Clinton did in relation to what a Republican would have done is that Clinton allowed the economy to do its thing on its own. Republicans, in contrast, just want a cronyism-kickback system, where they rig the economy to favor the people who give them money. While Dems want all folks to prosper, Republicans only want Republicans to prosper; where “Republican” means the people who pay up.

    And that’s one big reason McCain isn’t getting much dough from the moneyboys. Because they realized that a GOP Whitehouse doesn’t mean laissez-faire. It means you get an extortion racket. Rather than ponying up to get special favors, you’re forced to pay up or suffer. And nobody likes that kind of thing.

    Overall, I don’t think Clinton did anything super-special to help the economy, and think the whole internet-computer thing did far more to help than any Clinton policy. But for as much as Clinton deserves credit, it was for not behaving like a Republican. But I think just about any Democrat could have done that. And looking at Obama’s grassroots money support in contrast to Hillary’s Big Money support, I think Obama’s better positioned to allow the free market to work like it should.

    People contribute money because they expect to get something in return; and I like Obama’s contributors a lot more than I like Hillary’s. But perhaps that’s just because I’m one of them.

  • Actually, I think the telecom act of ’96 that Bill signed along with NAFTA trump anything good he ever did. That telecom bill has a special place in my heart every time I hear about Hillary fund raiser Rupert Murdoch buying up another paper, web page, radio station, or television channel.

    That single bill successfully corporatized our media and made it into the the disgrace it is today.I can only imagine what the last 8 years would’ve been like if Bill hadn’t signed that law.

  • the question that matters now, though, is whether his success as a president can necessarily be transferred to his wife’s campaign.

    Her followers seem to think so, even though she was apparently against a lot of the things Bill Clinton was “successful” at doing at the time, all of which by very strange coincidence happen to be political losers now, and even stranger yet, any and all evidence that she was so adamantly against those disastrous policies has been eaten by a large dog.

    David Geffen was right. They are frighteningly comfortable with telling whoppers.

  • What doubtful said in #9.

    Democrats were almost universally against the telecom bill of 96, for good reason. But Bill Clinton sold us down the river, and let the genie out of the bottle, and it will never go back in because we will never get to have a real conversation about the issue.

  • Well, while I’m not about to give Hillary credit for Bill’s accomplishments, nor am I inclined to deny the Big Dog plaudits for the good things he did manage to do.

    But after reading this post, I can’t stop thinking of Bart Simpson, age 3, running around the house banging a pot against his head: “I am so great! I am so great! Everybody loves me! I am so great!”

    I almost wish Hillary could be president for one week–just one week–so we could all get a laugh out of his inability to keep his big old syphilitic-looking nose out of the affairs of the Oval Office and her mounting frustration as he ignores her requests to back the hell off.

  • Really, it’s so obvious Bill sees this as his chance to get back in the White House. Pathetic really. Apparently they have no problem even destroying the Democratic party in order to “hold power.” I’m quite sure that Hillary would agree to be McCain’s VP if she doesn’t win the nomination. Wouldn’t be surprised one bit.

  • Yeah, and how did the majority of Americans choose to reward both Clinton and themselves for the eight years of unparalled peace and prosperity? Not by electing the over-qualified Al Gore, who I predict would have been even greater than Clinton, but by electing the WORST person who EVER ran for office, PERIOD! It makes me sick to even think about it.

  • Hillary has some very impressive skills, talents, and experiences, but they’re not the same skills, talents, and experiences as her husband.

    Precisely.

    A vote for George W. Bush was not a vote for George H.W. Bush, as many hoped.

    By the same token, a vote for Hillary Clinton is not a vote for Bill Clinton. To believe otherwise is, as Bill Clinton might put it, “a roll of the dice.”

  • Overall, I don’t think Clinton did anything super-special to help the economy, and think the whole internet-computer thing did far more to help than any Clinton policy.

    I gotta disagree. Balancing the budget and paying down some of the debt provided huge dividends. Bill Clinton deserves much of the credit, as far as I’m concerned, for this accomplishment (although he approached it in a way that cost us the Congress in ’94).

    That said, again, Hillary Clinton is no Bill Clinton. It’s foolish to believe otherwise.

  • There were some really good years in the sixties when sex had stopped killing you and hadn’t started back up killing you yet. Death took a holiday.

  • Steve Benen, thank you for telling the truth. Now, when Obama tells everyone that Clinton’s terms were no better than Bush’s, as I have heard him say several times now during his campaign speeches, we will know Obama is fibbing.

    Josh Marshall has an interesting discussion up about why Clinton and not Obama will be best able to beat McCain (from Reader H). It is a nice complement to the links Greg posted above.

  • Agreed, the problem is the Big Dog and HRC have really shown their asses and neither are the couple they were in 1992. Big Dog on Rush, HRC on BillO, please, they could not have lost more of my respect if they had tried.

    I will Bill his props, but I wouldn’t vote for him today and HRC, the woman I sent money has betrayed her party and betrayed who she is. She is running GWB circa 2004. The 3am commercial, the dodging bullets non-sense, the tax holiday, the ‘with us or against us’ crap, the pandering to the very people that spent the 90’s ripping them apart, and of course, giving McCain props.

    At least this should get the right focused on something beside Obama. I can see a Fox News special report real soon. They have played the right and I bet they aren’t going to like it. I would kill for a video of BillO reading the trascript of Bill C bragging about his accomplishments.

    The Reaganators will be out in full force this week.

  • The nineties was our last best shot to use our relative collective prosperity to put America on the road toward sustainability. But the opportunity was largely squandered. We need to judge it not so much by what we had in our pockets then, but what we failed to put into our children’s pockets. A pox on both houses — Bush and Clinton.

  • I think in a lot of ways the Clinton administration was a Republican administration – Republican in the older sense of what the party was before its radical southern wing took it over and turned it into a collection of theocratic fascists. Clinton’s virtues – balancing the budget, making the regulatory apparatus work, not race-baiting, keeping the economy humming despite some scary crises – would have seemed familiar to, say, an Eisenhower. (Remember it was Eisenhower who warned against the military-industrial complex.) OTOH he backed some pretty nasty stuff like NAFTA, DOMA, DMCA, etc., and did nothing to stop the rise of the right wing noise machine that eventually forced his impeachment.

    It’s time for a real Democratic administration.

  • Bill Clinton was the best Republican President ever.

    But now we need a Democratic President.

  • Doesn’t matter what either B or H say. I don’t believe them. I don’t trust them. And quite frankly, I don’t understand how anyone else can.

  • Best 8 years in modern history? Does that include the gutting of regulations concerning the financial markets (see Glass-Steagall) that lead to most of the economic woes that we’re experiencing right now?

    -c

  • Far Right takes majority of Congress for first time in 40 years.

    Being one of those codgerly old baby-boomers, I seem to remember it a bit differently. The Democrats in Congress managed to lose the majority with a bunch of dumb and petty crimes; stamps, check-kiting, and sweetheart book deals among them. At the same time, a bunch of elderly pre-“Southern Strategy”, southern Democrats retired and were replaced by young Republicans. Bill Clinton did a damn good job of fending off the new majority’s nastier plans with little help from the spineless minority. The failure to pass health care has been blamed for the loss of Congress only since Hillary started running for President, it certainly wasn’t much of a concern in 1994.

    In the 80s and 90s a lot of liberals thought that deregulation and free trade were good ideas and many of them still do. It’s not really clear that all that many jobs since that time have been lost to Mexico anyway, despite the anger about NAFTA. Most of the jobs appear to have migrated to China and the rest of Asia.

  • Nothing but fairweathers and grouses here, unable to admit that during the Clinton presidency, it was pretty dang sweet.

    Only thing most of these Obama supporters have is that Clinton (either one) loses.

    Any bets which of us is supporting Obama come November?

  • Trailer Trash Bill: ‘The eight best years we’ve had in modern history’

    He needs to get his brain sucked clean.
    Everyone knows why the economy was good:
    Gore invented the internet.

    And by the way…
    Here is the ABC poll from 2000:

    Views of Clinton:

    In his job
    Approve 58%
    Disapprove 38

    As a person
    Favorable 34%
    Unfavorable 61

    A year from now:
    Sorry to see him go 39%
    Glad to see him go 54

    Bill was a net loser.
    The internet economy bailed him out a bit.
    But the nation was happy to see him go back then.
    So lets not bloviate this skunk up with hype.
    He is serial womanizer. He is a repugnant liar. He is a closet racist.

  • While I can easily find things to like and dislike about Bill Clinton’s presidency, one glaring aspect of his legacy overshadows all others. And it is this:

    The fallout of the Monica Lewinsky scandal cost Al Gore many, many swing voters who could have sealed the deal for him.

    Inasmuch as the last 7.5 years have been the absolute worst in modern history [Google it!], a Gore presidency would have certainly been preferable. We’ll be reeling from this Bush-tastrophy for decades. And it could have been avoided if Bill had just kept his pants on. [I’ll admit that the vast right-wing conspiracy witch hunt didn’t help.]

    My only hope is that the Bush legacy provides McCain the same unstoppable ballast and pulls him down into the silt of history. No doubt McCain will never accomplish what Al Gore has with HIS post-election free time.

  • Thank God Bill is on our side. You people blasting him probably used to be on his side too, but you have no feelings of loyalty and have switched to Obama. I for one want to throw up every time I see Obama’s wife. Yuck. What a pig! Did you see last week’s National Enquirer story about her and her little dopey husband?

  • Applying positive superlatives to Clinton’s presidency is a bit of a stretch. A lot of people got rich, a lot of people thought they were rich (and now know they aren’t), but basing the “best eight years” strictly on economics misses the point. Clinton and the DLC did nothing to control corporate power within government, or generally.

    How about “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell?” NAFTA? Failed national health care? Welfare “reform”? Defense of Marriage Act? Telecommunications Act (which consolidated corporate control of the media)? Retaliative bombings? No energy policy worthy of the name? Feel free to add to the list.

    Clearly Congress had a role in all this, but had the Dems played hardball the way the Rethugs do, much of that destructive legislation wouldn’t have passed, and if Clinton had vetoed it the votes wouldn’t have been there to override.

    Even Rockefeller Repbulicans would have done better, in my view.

  • Assuming your post wasn’t a joke, Patrick: the National Enquirer? Really? I missed that one. Was Michelle Obama communing with the Bat Boy or something?

    Bill Clinton can claim credit for the 90s in so far as he did nothing to screw up a good economy, the excellence of which was caused by the following:

    1. low oil prices
    2. the opening of former Soviet-bloc countries
    3. the tech boom

    Nothing Clinton did as president caused any of these things. Presidents do not have magical super powers. Stick a generic democratic politician in as president and we would have seen the same results.

    Probably better even, because Clinton was weakest on the one issue that gave the Republicans power and led to the Bush disaster–the culture wars. Clinton carried an aura of sexual sleaze with him straight from Arkansas that galvanized the Right. Even with an army of Republican operatives gunning for him, he couldn’t resist the temptation. This is the hallmark of narcissism.

    A democratic president with a moral standing in the country might have done better to stem the Republican tide that was sweeping the country during the 90s. He or she could have convinced America to use our booming national wealth to reinvest in our country. He or she could have prepared us for the End of the Era of Cheap Energy by passing a carbon tax and increasing alternative fuels and energy efficiency, like they were doing in Europe. He or she could have focused on fixing our broken schools and transportation systems.

    But instead we had Clinton, and he spent two years defending a blow job. Sad. Clinton wasn’t a bad president, but I would definitely give him the “Wasted Potential” and “Missed Opportunities” Awards.

  • A major problem will be facing the next president and it is global resource depletion (e.g., oil, gas). During the, “the eight best years we’ve had in modern history”, Clinton should have implemented an energy plan to get us onto renewable fuels, etc ASAP when oil was cheap. Yes, the republicans controlled Congress and would have made this task difficult, but in the end Clinton really didn’t even try. There was a lot he could have done. Yet, even simple measures, like the 55 MPH speed limit to save energy, were dropped by Clinton.

    Next, Clinton leaves and we get another president who is a completely clueless to energy issues and has just made the situation worse.

    All the cheap, easy to extract oil is gone folks. Oil has risen from $11 to $120+ a barrel in just 9 years. The good earth is being tapped out and and it won’t be long before we have $5 a gallon gasoline. Fixing our energy problems now, rather than during “the eight best years we’ve had in modern history” is going to be very painful.

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