Voters still more concerned with Bush than Jeremiah Wright

Two weeks ago, an NBC/WSJ poll found an interesting trend in American public opinion: after hearing about Jeremiah Wright’s controversial sermons in a constant loop for months, voters were more concerned with John McCain’s association with Bush than Obama’s association with his former pastor. (Specifically, 43% of respondents were worried about McCain and Bush; 32% about Obama and Wright.)

Today, a new Gallup poll points to a similar public sentiment.

George W. Bush may do as much damage to John McCain’s chances of being elected as Jeremiah Wright does to Barack Obama’s, according to results of a recent USA Today/Gallup poll.

The May 1-3 poll finds 38% of likely voters saying McCain’s association with Bush makes them less likely to vote for McCain, while 33% say Obama’s association with Wright diminishes their likelihood of voting for Obama.

A strong majority of Americans (64%), including a near majority of Republicans (47%) said the Wright issue will not have any effect on their vote.

I’m a little torn as to whether this is good news for the likely Democratic nominee or not.

On the one hand, I’m delighted Americans are more concerned about McCain and Bush than Obama and Wright. That’s how it should be. On the other hand, shouldn’t the margin be considerably more dramatic than 38%-33%?

On the prior, Bush has become a political pariah. I’m occasionally attempted to describe him as “divisive,” but that’s clearly wrong — “divisive” would imply that critics and supporters are relatively even in numbers. They’re not; Americans have made up their minds about Bush and they really don’t like him. In this sense, it’s hardly surprising that voters are concerned about McCain’s ties to a wildly unpopular president.

But on the prior, Wright shouldn’t be anywhere near as controversial. That Wright is even close suggests the media’s efforts to make him a scandalous national personality and key campaign figure have been largely successful.

For what it’s worth, I’m inclined to look at the glass as half-full on this one. After several weeks of bombardment about Wright, during which time very little attention was paid to McCain’s connection to Bush, I wouldn’t have been surprised if the public had gone the other way and expressed more concern with Obama for his ties to his former pastor. We now have two recent national polls showing this isn’t the case.

The Wright issue, as far as I can tell, is the most serious weight on Obama’s shoulders, but it’s likely to fade a bit as the campaign shifts into general election mode, in part because the story has run its course. There’s just not much more to say — we’ve seen the clips, we’ve heard the sermons, and we know Obama’s response.

In contrast, Americans have barely heard a word about the similarities and connections between McCain and Bush, which leads me to think 38% is just a starting point, whereas 33% is the ceiling for the Wright number.

Oh please. A crazy old black dude who’s angry about slavery is way more important than a guy who sold your kids into actual slavery, right?

I sure hope you’re right, Steve. I think it’ll all come down to how the media plays (or refuses to play) the connections between Bush and McBush.

The Scarey Wright thing will play really well among the racists, who we don’t get much support from anyway, and may in fact play very badly among the moderates who would like to see a successful black politician setting a good example for the black youngsters.

  • On the one hand, I’m delighted Americans are more concerned about McCain and Bush than Obama and Wright. That’s how it should be. On the other hand, shouldn’t the margin be considerably more dramatic than 38%-33%?

    An ABC News Washington Post poll found that — in spite of the economy, the war, the incompetence, the lies and the criminality — 31 percent of likely voters think Bush is doing a good job.
    http://www.abcnews.go.com/images/PollingUnit/1064a1Bush-Track.pdf

    The more significant question is: What the hell are these people smoking?

    In the end, I think the people who say that Jeremiah Wright is a legitimate issue are grasping at straws looking for an excuse to vote against Obama. The real issue for them, whether they admit it or not, is the amount of melanin in Obama’s skin.

  • whereas 33% is the ceiling for the Wright number.

    I wouldn’t be so sure. I guarantee you that the Republicans will let the Wright furor die down to reduce the saturation, and then broadcast the hell out of it come October. Beats me how stories about his crazy Christian pastor somehow become conflated with Obama somehow being a Stealth Muslim.

  • “On the one hand, I’m delighted Americans are more concerned about McCain and Bush than Obama and Wright. That’s how it should be. On the other hand, shouldn’t the margin be considerably more dramatic than 38%-33%?”

    Well, yeah. But, like you say later on, that’s because every American ‘knows’ that McCain is the anti-Bush. Hell, he even stood against him in 2000 didn’t he? And the MSM keeps saying that he’s a maverick moderate who has always opposed everything bad that has ever happened in Iraq. What’s not to like?

  • Americans have barely heard a word about the similarities and connections between McCain and Bush, which leads me to think 38% is just a starting point, whereas 33% is the ceiling for the Wright number.

    I think this is exactly right. Similar to Guiliani and his favorability ratings. They started at a high number and went steadily down the more voters got to know him.

  • Well, what the 38%-33% split may mean is that the constant bombardment by the media re Wright has worked to McCain’s favor at Obama’s expense. I mean, Bush and his policies has done damage to the US, more so than any rhetoric by Wright. But maybe that’s the point: Bush’s action, regardless of how damaging they are, are sanctioned because he’s the president, and that he’s white. Wright, despite his years of actually doing good wroks in Chicago, will be forever judged by his rhetoric and by the fact that he’s black.

  • SteveT made me think of something. That being, evil though Bush is awful, 30% of people still approve of him. So, among the people who don’t approve, over half of them view McCain’s connection to Bush to be a problem. That makes me feel a little better. That 30% who approve are truly a hopeless bunch, not much use trying to make any headway there.

  • education is the best medicine. everyone should do what they can to get people to watch the moyers interview with wright:

    http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/04252008/watch.html

    a little contextural information goes a long way toward understanding.

    ps — it’s amazing how many ‘progressives’ have bought into the ‘angry, crazy black man’ stereotype wright’s been tarred & feathered with.

  • entheo said:
    education is the best medicine. everyone should do what they can to get people to watch the moyers interview with wright:

    In general, I think trying to educate people is a good idea. But really, how many of the 33 percent of people who’ve swallowed the corporate-controlled media’s anti-Wright campaign will be willing to watch a PBS program (That’s the elitist’s channel!) with two educated guys (Elitists!) sitting at a table having a calm discussion with no noisy, flashy graphics (How elitist!)?

  • I hope you all saw this: “Bush now has gone 40 months without majority approval, beating Truman’s record (also during economic discontent and an unpopular war) of 38 months from 1949-52.”

    Think about that for a second…. 40 months. The last time Bush had majority approval was Jan 16, 2005 (slipping to 50% approval by Jan 31st). With 82% of us thinking that the U.S. is going in the wrong direction, he is on track to become the first President in history to go an entire 4-yr term without majority approval.

    The best (read: most sickening) part: we re-elected him.

  • The news media is responsible for keeping the Wright issue out front. Senator Obama dispatched with the issue weeks ago. The news media for lack of any additional smears continues to bring it up. Is that because the bosses of the media continue to want to placate their source of revenue? The news media has been dispicable in not reporting objectively on any subject. The focus is always on the absurd and not on the questions that shoul be asked. The manipulation of the media by corporations is rampant and is inexcusable.

  • #10 Steve:

    of course you’re right, but that darn obama has gotten me to believe that change is actually possible.

  • On one hand you have a Preacher that says Krazy stuff on sundays.

    On the other hand you have GWB, who McCain helped get re-elected even though McCain knew Shrub had botched a war and made the country less safe.

    Which one really matters?

  • haiku said:
    #10 Steve:
    of course you’re right, but that darn obama has gotten me to believe that change is actually possible.

    Believing that change is possible is one thing, but expecting miracles is being overly optimistic.

    For years I’ve watched the Democrats craft their message so they don’t offend the Republican base. What Democrats need to realize is that the 31 percent of people who believe that Bush is doing a good job, in spite of all the evidence to the contrary — these people that Cheney would call “dead enders” — are offended by the Democrats merely continuing to breathe. They can’t be educated. The only thing they are useful for is for Democrats to hold them up to ridicule, so thinking people won’t want to be like them.

  • I wonder how many of those 33% that say Wright affects their vote are in the 30% that still support Bush.

    Amongst that 30% or so, they may also oppose Obama because of stuff like:

    a) He’s not Bush
    b) He’s not Republican
    c) He’s not white enough for them
    d) What ever the latest idiotic stuff Rush and all give them as reasons to oppose him.

  • With respect to comment 15 by SteveT, I have to agree.

    My dad is in that 30%. He actually believes Bush is one of the greatest presidents ever. He can’t really give a good argument why and it is hopeless to argue with him over that so I gave up discussing politics with my dad a decade or two ago.

    Believe it or not, amongst that 30% of Bush supporting idiots, they actually are quite capable of believing that Obama is the great satan both because of Wright AND because they think he is a closet Muslim.

    The Wright affair doesn’t really help persuade the 30% that Obama isn’t a Muslim.

    They really can be that dumb.

  • Re #17 and others: That’s why we should stop thinking/worrying about them. We’ve now learned that, come what may, 30% of the people will support the sitting President. Happily, we do not have to get 100% of the vote in a Democracy to throw the assholes out. Let’s concentrate on about 51% and stopping the Rethugs from mischief at the ballot box.

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