VP job has come a long way since it was a ‘warm bucket of spit’

John Nance Garner, a former House Speaker who became one of FDR’s vice presidents, is widely credited with having said that the VP’s office isn’t worth “a warm bucket of spit,” though reporters are rumored to have changed the spelling of the last word to make it appropriate for publication.

Of course, that was nearly 80 years ago. Since then, Al Gore became one of the most powerful VPs in history, and then Dick Cheney radically expanded the power of the vice presidency (to the extent that he effectively declared the office of the VP a fourth branch of government). Now, the job is sought after, especially by senators.

It’s unusual, but right now we have three sitting senators remaining as presidential candidates, and as such, for the first time ever, we’ll see two sitting senators facing each other in a general election. Their 97 colleagues are probably thinking, “Hey, if they’re good enough for national office, so am I.” And if you ask some of them, they’ll even say so.

Every senator who looks in the mirror may see a potential president — but in a new survey, they’re a bit more equivocal about the No. 2 job in the executive branch.

Since the final three presidential hopefuls are sitting senators, a member of that body is sure to occupy the White House this fall. The Hill asked the remaining 97 if they’d consider accepting a vice presidential slot.

Some said they’d be happy to join the ticket. “Yes. Sign me up,” said Democratic Sen. Tom Carper of Delaware. “I’ve been kidding people for years: The hours are better, the wages are just as good — whoever heard of a vice president getting shot at? — and it’s a great opportunity to travel.

“And actually since time has gone by, the job is robust … So sure. Anybody here would, if they’re going to be honest. The chances are slim to none. But I promise you, I would deliver all three of Delaware’s electoral votes.”

In all, more than a fifth of the chamber would “seriously consider” an offer to join their respective party’s presidential ticket. Given some of the names who demurred, it’s safe to say the actual number of interested senators is considerably higher.

The Hill asked all 97 senators not running for president the same question: “If you were asked, would you accept an offer to be the vice presidential nominee?” Nine said they would undoubtedly accept an offer, 12 said they would think about it.

Republican prospects John Thune of South Dakota and Lindsey Graham of South Carolina dismissed the possibility, while conservative Sam Brownback (Kan.) expressed concern about how independent voters would react to him.

On the Democratic side of the aisle, Sen. Jim Webb (Va.) also dismissed the idea — but with a grin. Sen. Evan Bayh (Ind.), another Democrat whose name has surfaced in vice presidential speculation, was more candid: “I suspect that’s not the sort of thing you say no to.” […]

“Of course,” Sen. Bob Bennett (R-Utah) said. “Big house, big car, not much to do. Why not?”

“Absolutely,” said Sen. Barbara Mikulski (D-Md.). “I think I would be great. First of all, I know how to behave at weddings and funerals. And I know how to be commander in chief. I’d bring a lot of fun to the job. We would rock the Naval Observatory.”

It sounds like the gig has come a long way since it was a “warm bucket of spit.”

The fact that Webb answered the question “with a grin,” by the way, will not go unnoticed by the political establishment. There’s been quite a bit of talk about Webb’s possible role on the ticket — he’s a young, decorated veteran from a possible swing state, with broad independent appeal — and his answer will only stir additional speculation.

I don’t think it is so much that the vice-presidency has gained power as that presidents have been more willing to give their vice-presidents more responsibility so as to off-load some of the work that they themselves should be doing. In the case of Gore, Clinton trusted him and gave him a free hand to pursue the things that were important to him. In the case of Cheney, Cheney told Bush what he was going to do (or at least I assume he did so on occasion), and Bush said “sure, whatever”.

  • I think Gore and Clinton came upon a good formula for defining a vice-president’s role: guaranteed access/”face time,” and a few areas of policy in which Gore took the lead (e.g. “reinventing government”). This should be a model for Obama as he thinks about his choice. Given the scope of a president’s responsibilities and the almost unfathomable size of the executive branch bureaucracy, any VP who took less responsibility than did Gore would represent an under-utilized asset to her/his president.

    Personally, I’m hoping for Webb. He brings a lot of political value, but he’s also fully capable of taking on a substantial policy portfolio–and not just in one area. He could be charged with figuring out a new direction in military procurement policy and rebuilding the capacity of the services after Iraq, as well as a role in restoring some semblance of a level economic playing field.

  • Regarding Webb:

    he’s a young, decorated veteran from a possible swing state, with broad independent appeal

    I guess “young” in the sense that he’s younger than McCain, but he is 62 years old (born in 1946 according to Wikipedia). I think he’d be a great choice, but being young isn’t a reason why.

  • Webb is my first choice as well, though he might be better suited to Secretary of Defense than VP.

  • Why the sudden shift to exclusive focus on Senators? For both the Prez and the VP slots? Over the last century only one Senator got elected Prez (JFK). Now all three contenders (Obama, Clinton, McCain) are senators and everyone seems interesting in paring the nominees with other senators.

    Maybe it’s a result of TeeVee. Senators are about as close to “celebrities” as we come in government. That is, all they do is blab and go for photo ops.

    I’d favor attaching a governor to the ticket with Obama in order to get some executive experience in there somewhere.

  • Of the people closely tied to Obama the ones i have been impressed with have been claire mccaskill and bill richardson. Watching them in interviews they were commanding and confident while controlling the interviews and staying on message. either would bring advantages to the ticket. Obama has said he does not intend to pick someone to help foriegn policy credentials so maybe a governor somewhere?

  • Cheney hopefully won’t be a precedent for anything. The last thing this country ever needs again is another President who isn’t interested in actually doing the job.

  • Webb was crossed off my short list when he voted to support telecom immunity. I don’t have many litmus tests, but allowing corporations to operate outside of the law at the behest of a government operating outside of the law is a deal breaker.

  • I’m with Doubtful as far as Webb is concerned. Webb needs to stay right where he is. Yes, I know, Gov. Kaine would name a Democratic replacement, but there’s no guarantee that that replacement would win a special election . . . and the odious George Allen is waiting in the background, plotting his comeback. If he manages to get back into the senate, you know he’ll run for president eventually, and there is absolutely nothing good about that at all!!!!

  • Webb was crossed off my short list when he voted to support telecom immunity

    He did!?!?!?! That’s pretty much a litmus test for me too. He was never one of my top choices anyway. As has been said he’s just fine where he is. Plus he tends to be a bit — blunt, and not always on message.

  • Webb is very much needed where he is. Webb voted wrong on FISA “fix” (inexcusable, but not surprising in someone with a military past and a somewhat authoritarian bend). Webb is very much of an independent mind and not shy of expressing it, in public. Which can be very good and amusing, when he’s tearing Bush a new one, but a tad less so, should he get a bee in his bonnet about some policy of Obama’s. Dissent between the prez and the VP is better kept out of public view and there’d be no guarantee of it, with Webb. As for Webb’s youth… He’s a young *father* — his new daughter (3rd wife) is only 17mo old (born in December of ’06) — but young he’s not. Youthful, maybe. But young, not.

    Leave Webb alone! Leave Obama alone. Let Obama choose his own VP

  • I’m not as concerned about telecom immunity or Webb’s position thereon as a lot of people seem to be, but it seems to me that concerns about going “off-message” or disagreeing with Obama’s policies in some instances is the flip side to part of Webb’s appeal as a VP candidate: he is a moderate-leaning Democrat from a red state, and as such, of course he’s not going to be as liberal as Obama on some things– but that’s a good thing from the perspective of ticket balance. I have no doubt that Webb would be able to behave himself in office and express his dissent, if any, behind closed doors rather than on Meet the Press. He also has strong national security and military credibility which Obama will need to win over independents and even some Republicans who are drawn to him on a personal level.

  • libra said: “Leave Webb alone! Leave Obama alone. Let Obama choose his own VP.”

    Once again, I agree with Libra. Webb is our senator and YOU CAN’T HAVE HIM!

    As for Obama getting to pick his own VP, I suspect that is exactly why there hasn’t been a rush of Super Delegates to finish the process. They will want to have a voice on the Ticket to shore up their own prospects in November. What I don’t know is what they will consider as a good VP candidate.

  • Garner’s quote about “warm spit” was cleaned up, of course. I was always sure of that, but it surprised me to learn that he really said “warm piss.”

  • umm, disagree a bit.

    “Big house, big car, not much to do.” is kind of the same thing as “office isn’t worth a warm bucket of spit” .

    Even 4th branch Cheney seems “disempowered” these days…

  • There will be no Obama/Clinton ticket in the fall. The democrats fear it will be viewed by the public as a Mandingo situation, and Bill Clinton does not want his Lewinsky affair upstaged by Barak and Hillary.

  • I agree with Ed at #5. It’s strange enough that we’ve already been guaranteed a Senator-v-Senator race for the presidency. Can someone on the ticket have more executive than legislative experience please? How about a governor, or even a big-city mayor? Enough with the senators, already.

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