McCain ‘hopes’ to end Iraq war by 2013 (so we can start our 100-year occupation)

When explaining his position on Iraqi reconciliation, John McCain told an audience last year, “One of the things I would do if I were President would be to sit the Shiites and the Sunnis down and say, ‘Stop the bullshit.'”

This morning, in a similar vein, McCain told an Ohio audience about his vision of Iraq after his first term in the White House.

“By January 2013, America has welcomed home most of the servicemen and women who have sacrificed terribly so that America might be secure in her freedom. The Iraq War has been won. Iraq is a functioning democracy, although still suffering from the lingering effects of decades of tyranny and centuries of sectarian tension. Violence still occurs, but it is spasmodic and much reduced.

“Civil war has been prevented; militias disbanded; the Iraqi Security Force is professional and competent; al Qaeda in Iraq has been defeated; and the Government of Iraq is capable of imposing its authority in every province of Iraq and defending the integrity of its borders. The United States maintains a military presence there, but a much smaller one, and it does not play a direct combat role.”

The irony is, at the outset of his speech, McCain argued, “It is important that the candidates who seek to lead the country after the Bush Administration define their objectives and what they plan to achieve not with vague language but with clarity. So, what I want to do today is take a little time to describe what I would hope to have achieved at the end of my first term as President.”

McCain has been Mr. Vague Generalities since the outset of his presidential campaign; today he predicted the end of the war in Iraq within the next four year based on nothing but his own wishful thinking; and he nevertheless feels comfortable lecturing us on the need for candidates to lead “not with vague language but with clarity.”

This is terribly foolish, and frankly, kind of embarrassing for a serious presidential candidate. McCain’s vision for the future of Iraq seems almost child-like: “I’m going to keep doing what Bush has done and hope things get better.” That’s his policy.

Yglesias added:

No word on whether or not there will be a pony in every garage. I mean, look, presumably when Bush first invaded Iraq he was hoping it would turn out well. When he warned in 2004 that violence would get worse if we left, he was hoping things would get better in 2005. But instead things got worse. Then when he warned in 2005 that if we left there would be civil war, he was presumably hoping that staying would avoid civil war. But it didn’t.

What’s more, Ilan Goldenberg noted that McCain has hoped for success in Iraq before, but sweet, innocent wishes never seem to come true.

“And I believe that the success will be fairly easy” and “There’s no doubt in my mind that… we will be welcomed as liberators.” [CNN, Larry King Live, 9/24/02. MSNBC, Hardball, 3/24/03]

“I think we could go in with much smaller numbers than we had to do in the past… I don’t believe it’s going to be nearly the size and scope that it was in 1991.” [Face the Nation, 9/15/02]

“There’s not a history of clashes that are violent between Sunnis and Shias. So I think they can probably get along.” [MSNBC Hardball, 4/23/03]

McCain was asked, “at what point will America be able to say the war was won?” He responded, “…it’s clear that the end is, is, is very much in sight.” [ABC, “Good Morning America,” 4/9/03]

Exactly one year before violence in Iraq peaked: “Overall, I think a year from now, we will have made a fair amount of progress if we stay the course.” [The Hill, 12/8/05]

I’d just add that it’d be great if some enterprising campaign reporter could follow up with McCain for a point of clarification: if Iraq is not a stable, terrorist-free, “functioning democracy” in 2013, what then?

Oh, and one more: if McCain’s dream world become reality, and his wishes are magically fulfilled, doesn’t this mean his vision of a 100-year post-war military presence in Iraq would start in 2013?

This is the best headline on this story I’ve seen yet. “Hopes”… yes… I “hope” to start leaving some time before that.

  • Did McCain just set a timetable? I thought these were reeeeally bad.

    Matter of fact McCain has said that setting a time table is like waiving the white flag of Surrender.

    When Romney suggested that a private timetable be developed, McCain relentlessly repeated that Romney wanted to waive the white flag of surrender and withdraw from Iraq leaving behind nothing but chaos and genocide. Then McCain buried poor old Mittens, by demanding that Mittens apologize to the troops for this act of betrayal right before the Florida Primary.

    Times change I guess.

    Is McCain going to appologize to the troops for this statement?

  • McCain is consistent in that he thinks that the same “hopeful” stupidity which kept us in Vietnam will serve us well in Iraq. I think that needs to be underlined.

    As for his latest embrace of timelines, all we need to do is wait a few days and McFlipflopper will yank the wheel of the “Straight Talk Express” in another direction. You’d think the media morons on the bus would become ill after all the swerving back and forth, but I guess they’re hopped up on Effexor.

  • ::Did McCain just set a timetable? I thought these were reeeeally bad.::

    Well the trick is to set a timetable way off in the future. Five months from now? Oh no, that’s terrible!!! But five years from now? That gives them plenty of time to come up with more false information and bullshit excuses to push it even further down the line.

  • McSame’s speech writers are falling down on the. The two paragraphs cited above, edited for consistency with his trademark speaking style:

    My friends,by January 2013, America has welcomed home most of the servicemen and women who have sacrificed terribly so that America might be secure in her freedom. The Iraq War has been won. My friends, Iraq is a functioning democracy, although still suffering from the lingering effects of decades of tyranny and centuries of sectarian tension. Violence still occurs, but it is spasmodic and much reduced.

    My friends, civil war has been prevented; militias disbanded; the Iraqi Security Force is professional and competent; al Qaeda in Iraq has been defeated; and the Government of Iraq is capable of imposing its authority in every province of Iraq and defending the integrity of its borders. My friends, the United States maintains a military presence there, but a much smaller one, and it does not play a direct combat role.”

  • I guess setting a date for victory in 2013 isn’t setting a timetable. And hope is a plan.

  • Its all true, and Osama will be captured trying to sneak into Iraqi Disneyland to enjoy the rides.

  • McCain wasn’t setting a timetable. This was just his “I Have a Dream…” speech.

  • This is the clincher I am now sure Insane McCain has in fact gone round the bend. Hopefully his guarantee of 4 more years of this debacle will sink his ass

  • “By January 2013, America has welcomed home most of the servicemen and women…”

    Which is great, because I’m going to need every warm body I can get to occupy Iran.

    “…who have sacrificed terribly so that America might be secure in her freedom.”

    So now the much-feared invasion by the screaming hordes of Iraqis has been averted.

    “The Iraq War has been won.”

    Oh sure, against whom we really don’t know, but it sounds good.

    “Iraq is a functioning democracy.”

    In a banana-republicish kind of way, but at least the trains are running on time.

    “Violence still occurs, but it is spasmodic and much reduced.”

    Car bombs have been replaced by bicycle bombs.

    “Civil war has been prevented…”

    Okay, a SECOND civil war has been prevented.

    “…militias disbanded..”

    They’ve been reflagged as “The Iraqi Security Force”

    “..the Iraqi Security Force is professional and competent…”

    See previous comment.

    “…al Qaeda in Iraq has been defeated..”

    All five members.

    “…the Government of Iraq is capable of imposing its authority in every province of Iraq and defending the integrity of its borders.”

    As long as it has overwhelming US air support.

    “The United States maintains a military presence there, but a much smaller one, and it does not play a direct combat role.”

    that we’ll admit to.

  • Here are few more of McCain’s hope for January 2013.
    1] That the price of gas will be back down to 25 cents a gallon.
    2] That the War in Iran will be over.
    3] That he can drive in an official NASCAR event.
    4] That the McRib Sandwich will come back. [Oh, how he loves the McRib!]
    5] That it will be acceptible for lobbyists to “sleepover” at the White House.
    6] That no one notices he’s already been re-elected and sworn in.

  • He sounds completely crazy. I’m surprised he didn’t mention the “crisply taylored uniforms” the stalwart Iraqi army will be wearing. The way he describes things I’m reminded of the scene where dorothy opens the door in the dingy black and white farmhouse on to the technicolor OZ.

    Unbelievable as it may sound, I think he’d be a bigger disaster than Bush.

  • if Iraq is not a stable, terrorist-free, “functioning democracy” in 2013, what then?

    That’s a totally unfair question and you know it, CB. If you even ASK a question suggesting that the plan might not work, you’ve already doomed it to failure. That’s why Plan B’s aren’t allowed, because they’re an admission that Plan A can fail and that lack of faith is the final nail in the coffin.

    So if McCain’s plan fails in any way, this is all your fault, Carpetbagger. I’m not sure what the troops ever did to hurt you, but your disdain for America is utterly despicable.

  • Hey, that timing works out great! Because in order for McCain’s timetable er I mean PLAN to work so we can get out by 2013, THAT means he’ll HAVE to be elected TWICE! After all, if we elect him in 08 and then switch to the Dems in 2012, his plan won’t succeed because us dumb ol’ libruls will muck it up! FOUR MORE YEARS! IN ADVANCE! Give that man an IOU for SIXTEEN Friedman Units! He’ll need every one!

    And if we’re still stuck in Iraq by 2013, THEN are we allowed to try diplomacy? THEN are we allowed to listen to the generals on the field? THEN are we allowed to think maybe the GOP has a vested interest in staying in Iraq indefinitely? Puh-LEEEEEZE???

  • How can any one listen to this with any sense of seriousness? Not one plan besides just keep doing what we’ve been doing? McCain is so bent it would be sad except he’s such a manipulating phony. “You kids play nice now” is the extent of his understanding of the Iraq/ME situation.

    btw…funny you mentioned the pony thing because I was thinking the exact same thing and I assume that must have been running through the minds of McCain’s audience as well. Maybe he got confused…again… and thought he was at a Miss America pageant. His only idea of peace comes from the barrel of a gun.

  • doesn’t this mean his vision of a 100-year post-war military presence in Iraq would start in 2013?

    If things go well, sure…

  • Racer_X said, but I guess they’re hopped up on Effexor.

    So THAT’S what’s in the Kool-Aid!

    (I know,we deserve it)

  • Aside from this utterly pathetic exercise, I would point out that McCain’s use of the word “spasmodic” is proof enough that this guy is long gone over the hill. What he was trying to say was that “Iraqi violence will no longer be gut wrenching, but merely regular bouts of nasty indigestion with lots of gas.”

    Oh wait, no, that was his gastroenterologist who said that.

  • “so that America might be secure in her freedom” JMcC.

    This may be the weakest and most arguable point in McCain’s the entire statement. Even if all the other objectives could be met, it is very reasonable to question what will be the continuing cost to America’s security and our freedom. At this stage in the war, one can easily argue that the foundations of our security have been substantially eroded by the costs of war and that four more years of war will undermine that foundation much further.

    So, what will be the state of the US and the rest of the world in 2013 as McCain sets the stage for our safe occupation of Iraq?

  • Hope is what Obama has tapped into.

    What McCain has is NOT hope – it’s “blind optimism”.

  • “so that America might be secure in her freedom” JMcC.

    Yeah, this is kind of like saying that when men kill all the females, they can finally feel comfortable in women’s clothing. Currently we’re in an embarrassing situation, caught wearing the cloak of torture, the mask of fascism and the boots of dictatorial occupation.

  • If this is an indication of McCain’s ability as a seer, I think he falls far below the standard set by Sibyll Trelawney.

  • I don’t know if my arithmetic is right, but it seems like 10 FU’s equals 1 McU. A whole new field of mathematical prediction may be opening up.

  • McPhony is dyslexic—he meant to say “war over by 3102,” not “2013.” That would be 1,094 years from now.

    Can you say “Tausent Yahren Reich,” boys and girls?

    Good. I knew you could….

  • I believe John McCain will win the struggle against global extremism. The liberals would rather surrender or appease our enemies and that wont work.

  • Somewhere over the rainbow . . .

    The sun will come out tomorrow . . .it’s only a day away . . .

    Oh yea, about Songbird McInsane’s speech . . . whatever idiot told him making that speech was a good idea and the buffoons who wrote it should be fired. Sounds like grandpa calling all the grands and greatkids in to tell them bedtime stories as they close their eyes and go to . . .zzzzzz

    Yawn . . . hope McCain enjoyed his version of a 1st State of the Union Address because that honor will go to the Democratic President in January 2009.

    This speech was insulting to all thinking Americans, including the ones who finally regret voting twice for Bush.

    In a Bizarro Universe of all things having purpose, the Republicans can continue to lie and cover up for all the Bush-Cheney atrocities and the past 7 years of monarchial administraion when they loose all those seats in the House and Senate, along with loosing the White House, they can blame McStupid for having no coattails . . guess he lost those when, after drinking tea, eating oranges and cookies, he fell through the looking glass finding Twiddle-Dee and Twiddle Dum who told his he was the One Who Flew Over The Cuckoo’s Nest.

    http://www.usvetdsp.com/mcianhro.htm

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y395Tftgz0E
    John McCain… Electable?

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