Kentucky, Oregon Overnight Open Thread

May 20, 2008

With just about all of the precincts reporting, Hillary Clinton has won Kentucky by about 35 points, 65% to 30%. That’s largely in line with expectations, consistent with recent polls, and not quite as lopsided as last week in West Virginia.

We’re still about an hour away, meanwhile, from results from Oregon.

Consider this an overnight open thread for everyone who wants to weigh in on the results. Are you surprised by the numbers? Pleased with the outcome? Did you see anything especially annoying in the networks’ coverage tonight?

The floor is yours….

This is a slow plod. Mrs Clinton is using her own brand of math to justify staying in the race. She now claims to lead the popular vote. This can only be done by ignoring states that didn’t vote for her.
I will vote for either Obama or Clinton, do you really want Bush 2 ? But running a million $ + deficit in this race and then using fuzzy math to say you are winning is turning me away from Clinton.

  • Well, Obama is talking now in Iowa, and when he is this type of environment he flat out rocks.

    And Obama actually admitted he has made mistakes during his speech. Its nice when a politician understands that to error is human. Too many forget this.

  • “Change is ending a war that we never should have started. Change is finishing a war against alqueida in afganistan that we never should have ignored.” That’s why I want Obama for President. He is speaking about what is on most of our minds. Obvious things. Not confusing or convaluted. Not this time!
    YES WE CAN.

  • Is it too much for the press and news to just say “congrats” to Hillary rather than sitting there with gloomy looks and dismissing the win.
    The media want Obama and they are going to try to make that happen.

  • I love this country and do not wish to have to learn Arabic or Chinese. Therefore, I am voting for McCain. While he is not perfect, he is at least patriotic.

  • Please tell me that #5 is a spoof. I find it hard to believe that someone that legitimately stupid could understand how to work a computer.

  • Is anyone else disturbed by the fact that at least 50,000 people who voted for Hillary will not vote for Barack in November because he has too much melanin?

  • The media want Obama and they are going to try to make that happen.

    Funny you should say that – shillary was the media’s darling when this all began. The more you get to know her, less most people like her.

    And the lies and racist campaign is too much – no wonder she is kkkarl and rush’s choice.

  • I live in Oregon and I love having vote by mail. It has made voting so convenient. You can take your time in the privacy of your own home and make a choice without feeling rushed. And after a crowd of over 70,000 I dont see how Obama cannot win Oregon.

  • Obama doesn’t need those that don’t support progressive/liberal/democratic ideas. Trying to accommodate republicans at the expense of democratic ideas is what has screwed up the party.

    Historical opportunity – over 80% of Americans want change. The repug chimp is the most unpopular president in history. He is a failure on all accounts (well, has been very “successful” at looting the treasury, enriching the military-industrial complex and big oil, treason, war crimes, and crimes against humanity).

    Most American’s understand change means we have had enough of family dynasties – no bush-clinton-bush-clinton monarchies.

    Obama can win on his merits without pandering to those that don’t actually support progressive/liberal causes anyhow.

  • Proud American: Where on earth did you get such a strange idea, pray tell? Who’s going to make you learn Chinese?

  • We have seen some of the poorest, least educated Americans vote over the last several weeks. There are some counties in Kentucky where the median income is less than $20,000 per year. They don’t know the back and forth that we have seen and have been following for the past 16 – 18 months. They don’t read the national newspapers. They don’t listen to Air America or any other progressive radio show (like mine).

    Obama gave a GREAT speech tonight.

  • TR and MsMudd…NO KIDDING!

    Spoof or troll? Or just clueless? Alas, there is some serious stupid in this country, so one never knows.

  • Any Clinton-bots left pontificating?

    If so..

    I want to know how many minutes transpired in her KKKentucky victory speech before she begged for money.

    2? 3? 1 minute?

    Why am beseeching Clinton dead-enders for this factoid?
    Because I just love the fact that you bums continue to fund this loser…

    It is not money down the bush-hole: Iraq.
    It is money down the clinton-hole: masturbation.

  • “proud american” is not a spoof. He is a McPhony plant. The McPhony action site has been calling for volunteers to hit the various blogs with their little “attacks”—and then if they post a link to their “attack” on the McPhony action site, they earn points.

    And Doc—you fool! Why would you want to take something nice and park it in Hurricane Alley? You can set up shop just south of Ohio, once we wipe KKKentuKKKy and and its Albino Proto-Simian Party (APSP for short) off the face of the earth. And yes—it means that a part of your beloved Bioregon will be across the Ohio River from Cincinnati—but there’s no reason why you couldn’t just blow up all the bridges and threaten to shoot any Jerry Springer fans that get within range….

  • Did anyone hear about the McCain campaign asking people to go blog on different websites to spread the McCain message? If Proud American is an example of that group, poor McCain.

  • The media want Obama and they are going to try to make that happen. -joanie

    Well, then it’s lucky for Obama that the media has control of a majority of pledged delegates and super delegates.

    Why’d we have all of those pesky primaries and caucuses?

  • Proud American, You are obviously off your meds. I think Cindy McCain, John’s wife, may have some for you. You know, THE Cindy McCain who took to the airwaves a few years back, admitting to her addiction to Percocet and Vicodin, and the fact that she stole the drugs from her own nonprofit medical relief organization!

    Let’s see, MR. Patriotic is married to an admitted thief, liar, and drug addict. Mr. McCain, actually that’s Mr. ‘Keating Five’ McCain to you, also did favors for the Savings and Loan failure Charles Keating, costing tax-payer billions. It’s also well known that McLame cheated on his first wife, with his current wife Cindy. But NO PROBLEM, right? Cuz he’s a patriot. Also, In1993 McCain blocked the release of classified documents relating to MIA/POW’s of the Vietnam War. Why? Maybe because, HE made more than 30 anti-war, anti-American propaganda broadcasts while a POW, which certainly qualify as collaboration. Had McCain not been the son and grandson of Navy admirals, it is likely he would have faced a court-martial upon his release, as so many other solders did for lesser offenses than his. Once again McCain’s concern was for himself, not our country. He feared that records of his own POW experience, including the documents relating to his collaboration with the North, would jeopardize his political career, so he blocked them even though . But he’s “at least patriotic”, right? Oh, and McSame also supports bu$$h’s torture policy and illegal wiretapping of patriotic citizens. But that shows true love of our great country and it’s people, right? Please…, quit displaying your ignorance for all the world to see, or find some place else to sling your phoney and shallow labels.

  • I find it hard to believe that someone that legitimately stupid could understand how to work a computer. -TR

    Blame Apple. There’s something to be said for having a steep learning curve to computer usage. 🙂

  • The talking heads have been campaigning for Obama since day one. I guess they all badly need to be considered hip and now and totally rad. That all by itself has made a Hillary supporter out of me. Oh yeah, that and the fact that Obama can’t come close to McCain in the general election. I’m a democrat, always have been, but if someone respectable would run as an independent I’d quit and work in his or her campaign. The democratic party just can’t get it – half the electorate is below average IQ. If you can’t talk to those people, you can’t be president. And Obama simpy cannot do that.

  • Observations on CNN:

    David Gergen just slammed the shit out of KKKenctucky and Hillary KKKlilnton.
    Klinton take the high road David?
    Your expectations are exponential. And Klinton is a linear function with a negative slope.

    Meanwhile…
    Donna Braizle sits there with dead-fish eyes.
    What a coward!
    If she doesn’t want to open her maw… take her off!

  • if someone respectable would run as an independent I’d quit and work in his or her campaign.

    Jesse The Body!
    Jesse The Body!

  • I love this country and do not wish to have to learn Arabic or Chinese. — Proud American, @5

    Why not? With Arabic, you might be useful in Iraq (during those 100 yrs that your preference — MyCane– wants us to spend there). And Chinese may be in all our futures; should they ever call our debt, we may have to cede a state or two to them (Texas? Kentucky? West Virginia? So many choices…)

  • I’m calling on the youth of America to sell their Wii, Nintendo, Xbox, sell your bicycles, your mothers little helpers, sell everything you have and send it to me.
    Yes I can
    -Hillary

  • From Obama’s speech in Iowa: “This year’s Republican primary was a contest to see which candidate could out-Bush the other, and that is the contest John McCain won.”

    What impresses me about Barack is how well he understands the dynamics of politics and the reality of things. Not only that, he can explain them back to everyday people in incredibly cogent terms. He has the skills.

    If you haven’t read/ seen/ heard his comments from Iowa, do so. Obama isn’t some candidate that just gives a good speech. We are finally seeing a politician who understands what is going on. After Bush’s rule, we should all be suckered into the “soft bigotry of low expectations.” That’s not what’s going on. Obama’s got the goods to do some really good things.

  • Obama is funded primarily by us. Hillary and McCain are funded primarily by corporations. The major problem with our country right now is ALL due to corporate influence. Over the past 20 years of increasing deregulation we have slowly morphed into corporate fascism. Corporations own our politicians and our mass media. Corporations are not interested in what is best for America. They are interested in what is best for their profit and shareholders.

    I firmly believe that our best chance to start reversing the corporate stranglehold is with Obama, the only final nominee (outside of Nader) who seems to understand something about what is really eating the soul our of America and destroying our Earth.

  • Obama has just as much corporate funding as Clinton.

    Don’t bother trying that equation shit. Obama has voted lock-step with her. McCain? Not so much.

  • Obama has just as much corporate funding as Clinton. — Crissa, @32

    Oh, I wouldn’t be so sure… The following are some numbers (via TPM Election Central):

    Obama raised $31 million last month for the primary, with an additional $600,000 for the general election. Other numbers:

    New donors in April: 200,000

    94% of contributions were under $200

    93% of contributions were $100 or less

    77% of contributions were $50 or less

    52% of contributions were $25 or less

    Number of donors to the Obama campaign overall at the end of April: 1.475 million

    Number of contributions given: 2,929,000 million

    Average donation: $91

    Cash on Hand: $37.3 million (plus an additional $9.2 million for the general election)

    Does 94% of contributions being under $200 and average donation being $91 sound like corporate stuff to you? Doesn’t to me. To me, it looks more like people-powered campaign, just as Evergreen said, @31. A new model of “public financing”, as it were.

  • Silly Libra, with all your facts and stuff. When Crissa says Obama has just as many corporate contributions as Clinton does, Crissa means Clinton has a bunch of corporate pac and lobbyist money and Obama has a bunch of small donors who work for corporations. It’s quite clear to EVERYONE that those two facts are quite equal. And it shows that Obama is just as tied to, dependant on and owes the oligarchy as Clinton . See, Libra, I know you’ll understand exactly what Crissa means and not cloud it at all with critical thinking or facts or even the truth.

    /snark off

  • crissa – you don’t even know shillary’s voting record yourself – post what you want, but people can see that you are just the latest lying clinton shill.

    Iraq War: Clinton YES, Obama NO
    Bancrupsy Reform Clinton (DID NOT VOTE AND GOT TONS OF MONEY FROM CREDIT CARD INDUSTRY), Obama NO

    Not that you care about facts – here’s a link to check records for people that do:

    http://www.senate.gov/pagelayout/legislative/g_three_sections_with_teasers/legislative_hom

  • Dems don’t need voters like crissa to win this year – time we purged the party of the racists, bush dogs, and the lying liars that made the dem party nothing more than another branch of the neocon/repugs.

  • Yeaaaa Oregon. With 78% of the vote counted, Obama has a 16% lead, and is ahead in many counties east of the Cascades (ie the more conservative part of the state).

    #24 I caught Gergen’s comment and was amazed he was so blunt. Called on Hillary to say that she rejects the support of white racists. Wow. Not that it will happen, but it’s an interesting thought.

  • i’m currently in india and the BBC covered obama’s speech in its entirety.

    rock on…

  • Hannah – funny how an 10% victory in PA is proclaimed a “landslide” and and 15% in OR is nothing

  • One thing that the extended campaign has demonstrated is how gawdawful bad Hillary Clinton’s judgment is.

    She picked the wrong strategist (Mark Penn), the wrong campaign rationale (“experience” during the change year to end all change years), the wrong strategy (skim the swing states and bank on being finished by Super Tuesday), the wrong campaign structure (top down with a vengeance), and the wrong donor focus (the FOB big donor network instead of the internet).

    When things went south for her campaign, she decided to roll out the GOP talking points. Now that it’s over and we have a presumptive nominee (that’s not her), she’s still refusing to bow to reality.

    I’m seeing that the death of HillaryCare back during her husband’s first term, as well as her vote on the Iraq war, aren’t isolated things – they are what happens whenever you put Hillary Clinton in charge and let her make choices.

    Please be grateful we will not see a bush-clinton-bush-clinton monarchies rule America for 28 or more years.

  • Like Ron Reagan said, if Appalachia was a country, Mrs. Clinton could be president.

  • Sarge: Is anyone else disturbed by the fact that at least 50,000 people who voted for Hillary will not vote for Barack in November because he has too much melanin?

    I don’t see 50K people making any difference in the GE. That said, as a former Appalachian who has defended my brothers and sisters in these very pages, I am getting a little sick of the disproportionate number of potted-meat-breathed dobro pluckers who are willing to base their vote solely on the singular issues that have nothing whatsoever to do with one’s ability to run a country. Those issues being: melanin, breasts and flag pins.

    Isn’t it interesting what lame-ass excuses conservatives will come up with to avoid voting for someone? If asked, I will tell you that I won’t be voting for McCain because that man has no neck. He’s a no-neck, flip-flopping slab jacker!

  • Like Ron Reagan said, if Appalachia was a country, Mrs. Clinton could be president.

    She might have had trouble against the Republican nominee, Mike Huckabee.

  • If Hillary Clinton were to be the Democratic nominee does anyone really believe she would get the electorate she has pandered to over John McCain? I seriously doubt it. In West Virginia and Kentucky many of those people were voting for Hillary Clinton to vote against Barack Obam. I don’t think that was serious support for Clinton. What we saw in both of those primaries was rank racism. People interviewed prior to the elections and in exit polling were quite candid about race being a factor. When Barack Obama is elected in November one of the most important aspects will be that those votes were not needed. Hopefully, we are entering a long over due period where elections are not dependant upon the uneducated bigoted element of the American public.

    I watched the coverage on MSNC. I was curious as to why (nearly all white) Oregon was almost discounted out of hand while Kentucky was held up as some crucial bellweather. Kentucky will go to the Republicans in the fall no matter who the Democrats field.

  • SaintZak – mainstream media and the repugs know that shillary gives the criminal cabal behind dur chimpfurher the best opportunity to get a “third term” via mclame.

    Not that he can win – they can steal the election just like in 2000 & 2004. Here’s how it works:

    1. If shillary is nominee, they can dredge up all the slime from the 1990s and more because they have a “green light” to attack her more directly (and bill, remember the right-wing noise machine & echo chamber?)

    2. If Obama is the nominee – they can plant the memes and framing that will be used to justify another stolen election. And shillary has proven she is more than willing to help them out and now actively has the support of kkkarl rove (mclame advisor) and rush (head of the rightwing noise machine – made an honorary repug member of congress in 1990’s)

    That is why enough is enough – Obama doesn’t need the racist white vote anyhow. We have a historic opportunity to win White House without voters that don’t support progressive/liberal/democratic ideals.

    Because over 80% of America want change – mclame cannot win an honest election. For the first time in American history, the POTUS does not have to be decided by the most ignorant, bigoted, and racists voters.

    LET’S SIEZE THE MOMENT!

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