Novak does Kathleen Sebelius a huge favor

There’s been quite a bit of buzz about Kansas Gov. Kathleen Sebelius (D), and the likelihood that she would be considered for Barack Obama’s shortlist of running mates. As a rule, I think Sebelius would make a fine choice. Not perfect, of course, but her positives easily outweigh her negatives.

One of the catches, though, is that Sebelius, as a successful and popular governor or a “red state,” hasn’t been able to do too much to bolster his progressive bona fides. She’s perceived as a very moderate Dem in large part because she’s governed as a very moderate Dem. It may not be a recipe for generating excitement within the Democratic base.

Robert Novak, therefore, did Sebelius an enormous favor today by devoting an entire column to blasting the Kansas governor for supporting abortion rights.

She is allied with the aggressive Kansas branch of Planned Parenthood in a bitter struggle with antiabortion activist District Attorney Phill Kline. There is substantial evidence she has been involved in what pro-life advocates term “laundering” abortion industry money for distribution to Kansas Democrats. Kansas is the fiercest state battleground in the abortion wars, making Kathleen Sebelius the national pro-choice poster girl.

The Almanac of American Politics talks of a “moderate image” for Sebelius, daughter of former Ohio governor John Gilligan. She picked up substantial Republican support in an easy win in the 2002 governor’s race and, after naming a former GOP state chairman as her running mate, was reelected in 2006 in a landslide. Chosen this year to deliver the Democratic response to President Bush’s State of the Union address, she told the nation, “In this time normally reserved for the partisan response, I hope to offer you something more: an American response.” She gave the impression of reaching out across party lines in what was widely regarded as an audition for vice president as a Democrat able to carry a red state.

Novak proceeded to go after Sebelius for “laundering … abortion industry money.” I’ll spare you the details — they’re odd and unpersuasive — but Novak weaved an elaborate theory about “a complicated Kansas financing system” at which “Sebelius sits at the apex.”

I suspect Sebelius will find the attack annoying, but the reality is that Novak has done her a huge favor.

As the WaPo’s Chris Cillizza explained:

From a purely political perspective, being attacked by Novak — a journalist and columnist who makes no bones about his conservative views — does two things: First, it raises her national profile, and second, it affirms her Democratic bona fides to party activists who might otherwise be concerned about the possibility of Barack Obama picking the governor of Kansas (a ruby red state at the presidential level) as his running mate.

Being attacked by a national columnist may be a new experience for Sebelius, but as a leading member of the veepstakes list she’ll need to get used to it.

True enough.

By the way, wrapping up his column, Novak — ever the cheap-shot artist — went on to write:

Obama, while asserting that “nobody is pro-abortion,” has said that if his two daughters “make a mistake, I don’t want them punished with a baby.” Would Sebelius, an avowed Catholic, change her running mate’s view that a baby is a punishment?

I predicted a while back that we’d be hearing quite a bit about the “punished with a baby” line as the campaign season progressed. It’s pretty foolish, but then again, so are most of the leading far-right voices.

Wes Clark.

  • CB: As a rule, I think Sebelius would make a fine choice. Not perfect, of course, but her positives easily outweigh her negatives.

    Perhaps you can flesh this out a bit for us in a future post?

  • Here’s an interesting take on Sebelius from Political Animal:

    Her story in Kansas is a barrel of awesome. She’s a popular pro-choice Governor who fought with unprecedented success against health insurance companies (from whom she refused to take contributions). The best thing — and the part that fits best with the Obama message of national unity — is her uncanny ability to turn high-profile Kansas Republicans into Democrats. The former GOP state party chair? Now her lieutenant governor. The formerly Republican Attorney General? Turned into a Democrat. Six GOP members of the state legislature became Democrats under her watch. Of course, part of that is because the Kansas Republican Party came apart over teaching evolution in the schools. But she was there to pick up the pieces and take them home with her.

    The downside to Sebelius is that picking her deprives us of an potential Senate challenger in Kansas when 2010 rolls around. And I hear that her State of the Union response wasn’t so hot. If anyone knows more about her speeches, please do tell — the SOTU response is a weird gig and maybe it wasn’t representative of her real talents.

  • Conscience: He’s not misquoting Obama, but he’s (unsurprisingly) taken it out of context. That particular Obama comment came during a discussion about the differences between comprehensive sex ed vs abstinence-only sex ed. He made the apparently radical (yet true) statement that forcing teen girls to end up pregnant is punishment for consensual sex.

    I don’t remember the forum off-hand, but that was the context.

  • Democrats need to remember that there was a time when Catholics and many
    centrist and religious people of other faiths supported Democrats because of
    their progressive agenda. Now, however, abortion has become a serious and
    central part of their thinking and their political choices, and they will not vote
    for an aggressive pro-abortion candidate. Bill Clinton knew this, and this is why
    he formulated the “safe, legal, and rare” policy. This won him votes.

    John Kerry faced the cameras, during one debate, and proudly supported roe-v-wade,
    without giving a second thought to the fact that most anti-abortion voters in
    this country seriously believe that roe-v-wade makes it legal, everywhere, for a
    woman who is 8.5 months pregnant to get an abortion on demand.

    Kerry lost the election by fractions of a percent here and there. Had he answered
    that question differently he would be president today!

    Democrats must remember that what anti-abortion voters think about abortion
    in America, and what the issues are for them, is very different then what pro-abortion
    voters think the abortion issue in America is.

    It is time that the Democrats won back a large part of this constituency – not by
    condemning roe-v-wade, but by condemning late term elective abortions.
    Seriously, don’t we all condemn them? Then why can’t we say so?

  • To a 14y/o girl on drugs a baby can seem like just added punishment for mistakes made in the heat of the moment where her 16 y/o male partner promised he’d “pull it out”, and did but had not been “educated” to know that the male can leak sperm long before the point of ejaculation.
    Indeed Obama’s comment was taken out of the context in which he was referring to just such a situation. Obama is right…no one is pro-abortion. They are however pro-abortion rights…the right for a woman to choose…to have a choice. This does not mean that people are out there encouraging others to have abortions as many on the right would have us believe.

    Frankly I find Sebrius unimpressive as a VP choice. She is being measured more in terms of having no negatives than in term of her accomplishments. Her response to Bush was pretty lame also as if she really didn’t want to offend anyone by her comments.
    Date rape is not bipartisanship or at least it shouldn’t be. Stop trying to show such “great respect” for vermin that are destructive, annoying and injurious to health (i.e. conservatives). The largest earmark pork spending came from the 2005 republican controlled congress…conservatives?

  • “Late-term elective abortion” is a fat fiction created to further the Right’s control of women. I’d sure like to see proven stats that this is running rampant but there are none because it just doesn’t happen. An 8.5 month pregnancy results in a full-blown birth. Hell my son was born at 8.5 months, kicking and screaming. Are you imagining the doctor and the mother would choose then to stuff a pillow in it’s mouth and throw it in the trash can?

    Condemn it? Why condemn something that is non-existent, pray tell?

  • btw Ed*** Kerry didn’t lose the election it just wasn’t overwhelming enough to make up for the election fraud taking place in Ohio. Gore won also but the SC (who had relatives working for the Bush campaign) appointed the coup.

    Also, the majority of Americans support Roe v Wade so don’t be mislead. Republican extremists want to reverse it against the majority opinion. You are right that the intent of Roe v Wade should be emphasized which is safe, legal and rare to combat the republicans mis information of “baby killing for fun and profit”. They are shameless in their hypocrisy.

  • It needs to be Webb, Clark, or even Hagel. I doubt Hagel would switch parties, and if some crackpot did do a President Obama in we’d have another Republican president. Maybe that’s not such a good idea after all.

    Webb or Clark. It’s the military element. Obama needs it if he’s going to have any clout with the Pentagon.

  • Gov. Sebelius is, to a certain extent, in the right place at the right time.

    The Republican party in Kansas is a case of the lunatics taking over the asylum. When the young earth creationists started trying to dismantle science education and Kline wanted to make every woman’s health records public domain, the rats started bailing.

    I welcome this trend and hope it spreads, but it will make for a lot of putative Dems who embrace crackpot ideas like Reaganomics.

    I don’t know much about Sibelius, but I worry she’s like Oklahoma’s governor Brad Henry – a moderate Republican with a Democrat label. But she still is a better choice than Hillary in my book.

    Obama has some good prospective running mates to pick from. My guess is he’ll go for a southern white guy to get the cracker vote.

  • About what Rich said:

    I think Obama has more credibility with the Pentagon than many realize, if you consider the retired Generals who were shuffled out because they weren’t yes-men for Bush and Rumsfeld and the Colonels and Majors who are having to bite their tongues to preserve their careers.

    The real battle is going to be the public perception of clout with the Pentagon.

    I’d pick Webb. Clark’s a bit too much of a maverick (and can’t carry a state) and Hagel’s not enough of one (and Nebraska doesn’t really matter).

  • What’s wrong with Clark being a “maverick”? They have theirs, we would have ours! 🙂

    And Clark did carry one 2004 state primary – Oklahoma.

    Seriously, I think Clark offsets all of Obama’s perceived “weaknesses.” He was a four-star general and NATO commander.

    And I hate to take any Democrats out of the Senate. We need to get to 61 votes there to stifle Republican obstruction. He’s from Arkansas, which makes him more palatable to the Southerners.

  • Sebelius is a good governor from what I can tell. I am not surprised the wingnuts are piling on, and not especially surprised about Novak’s column. The archbishop of Kansas City, KS, Archbishop Naumann, is determined to make Communion a political club with which to beat Democratic Catholics, and he has called for Gov. Sebelius to stay away from Communion. I think we’ll see more of the reactionary bishops trying to make Communion into a political weapon. Many of us ordinary Catholics are not buying what Naumann & other reactionary members of the hierarchy are trying to sell.

  • Someone on CNN said that a potential problem with Hon. Gov. Sebelius is that supporters of Hon. Sen. Clinton would be cheesed off that a women other than she was chosen. As someone who has thought that a female running mate would be a good thing (both for the ticket and also to counter the GOP counterpart) this struck me as odd. Is this the current consensus? I hadn’t heard it before.

  • jhm, @20,

    Clinton supporters — or at least, the most rabid ones — will be ticked off no matter what or who is Obama’s VP; they wouldn’t be pacified even if Obama picked *her* (which I trust he won’t do, having too much common sense) . It’s *Obama* who sticks in their craws. As far as they’re concerned, he can do no right, just as Hillary can do no wrong. The only thing that would redeem him in their warped minds would be his pulling out of the election and conceding to her. She might, then, graciously, offer him VP-ship.

    Thankfully, the electoral power of those loonies is in reverse proportion to the amount of noise they make (“small dogs yap the loudest”, we say in Poland). Or so I hope 🙂

  • Libra, Jak sie pan ma? My favorite Polish aphorism is: Nie wszystko musi miec’ sensu (if I spelled everything right). It also seems appropriate in this campaign.

  • There is no way Obama will pick a woman running mate who is not Hillary. That would guarantee defeat for so many reasons.

  • jhm, @22,

    Dobrze, dziekuje. Ale ja jestem “pani”, nie “pan” 🙂 Nie, nie wszystko musi miec sens, ale lepiej byloby, gdyby sens byl…

  • Please learn how to use the expression “as a rule” before subjecting us to your opinions.

  • The only reason to pick her as a running mate would be to shit on Clinton. The effect of that would be losing at least half of Clinton’s supporters in November. Not a politically savvy move.

  • Barack Obama does not think that people should have to be “punished with a baby” His solution is to “punish the baby”.

  • As a somewhat moderate on the abortion issue (if you can believe there is such a thing), I think there is a powerful argument from the pro-lifers that their tax dollars shouldn’t be used for abortions.

    I’m perfectly aware of the various counter-arguments to that, of course, but the argument is powerful in this case specifically because of the rabidly intense opposition.

    As for the “punished” quote: in context, he was saying that his daughters should have the knowledge needed to avoid a pregnancy. And yet it came out very poorly, in my opinion.

    Although as a parent of a 3-year-old, I must admit that his statement is true. I keed, I keed.

  • The right has *always* considered pregnancy and a baby as punishment for premarital sex.

  • Fitzsimmons of the National Coalition of Abortion Providers has stated that partial birth abortions are almost never used to protect a woman’s health. They are almost always elective despite the misinformation from the media. The govenor of Kansas is a political ally of Dr.Tiller who is infamous for running one of only a few late term abortion clinics in the USA. He specializes in ending pregnancies after 5 months gestation and they are almost never for serious medical problems.
    There are thousands of medically uncessary late term abortions in the USA every year. The Gov of Kansas runs the PAC that represents Dr.Tiller and his clinic. I dont think she is going to help Obama win moderates over. She is too left wing.

  • Franklin, I don’t want my tax dollars going for weapons, war, farm subsidies, oil company subsidies, etc. Where do I sign up for the selective allocation of my tax dollars?

  • Please read the following AP report from “Talk Left” web site to understand the reason that Hillary is the best to beat Senator McCain in the general election.

    The AP reports superdelegates are not feeling bound by primary results, but more concerned about electability. And the International Herald Tribune says McCain’s new strategy is to go after the toss-up states.
    ***
    There’s no question that superdelegates will consider electability as a factor in deciding whether to vote for Hillary Clinton or Barack Obama. Based on this analysis by long-time Democratic party activist William Arnone, which I return to again and again for the numbers, here’s what I think they need to look at:
    • Who can best hold on to the 20 states the Dems won in 2004? Which candidate is more likely to put these states at risk in a battle with John McCain?
    • Which candidate has the better chance of winning states that voted Republican in 2004 but are now seen as vulnerable for McCain?
    • Which candidate has a better chance of getting the votes of four key constituencies that could carry the election for McCain?
    Answers below:
    In 2004, the Dems carried 20 states with 252 electoral votes. It wasn’t enough. In 2008, the Dems need to carry these states again, plus pick up others. How can they do it?
    First, we need to figure out which of the 20 states are vulnerable to McCain and decide whether Hillary or Obama has a better chance of carrying them. Mr. Arnone says those states are: Pennsylvania, Michigan, Minnesota, New Hampshire, Oregon and Wisconsin, which have a total of 68 electoral votes.
    Next are the ten states the Dems didn’t win in 2004 that there’s a chance of winning in 2008. They are: Arkansas; Colorado; Florida; Iowa; Missouri; Nevada; New Mexico; North Carolina; Ohio; and Virginia. Of these, all but North Carolina have already voted. Mr. Arnone says:
    The winner of the popular vote in the Democratic primary or caucus in each of these key states will have a higher likelihood of carrying that state in November. This is a critical consideration in determining who is likely to be the Party’s most successful Presidential candidate in the general election.
    Thus far, Hillary Clinton has won five of these key states — Arkansas (decisively), Florida (decisively, but in a primary that was not recognized by the Democratic National Committee for the purpose of selecting delegates to the Party’s convention), Nevada (solidly), New Mexico (slightly), and Ohio (solidly). Barack Obama has won four — Colorado (decisively), Iowa (solidly), Missouri (slightly), and Virginia (decisively). Clinton’s popular vote total in these keys states was 3,179,630 (2,314,531 if Florida’s vote is excluded), or 52.7%, vs. Obama’s 2,852,885 (2,281,552 if Florida’s vote is excluded), or 47.3%.
    Of these states, Clinton’s five have a total of 63 electoral votes, while Obama’s four have a total of 40 electoral votes.
    Together with all of the 20 states that went Democratic in the 2004 Presidential election, both Clinton’s and Obama’s key states would have enough electoral votes to give the Democratic Presidential ticket victory in November.
    This brings the equation back to not being able to lose any of the 20 states Dems won in 2004 to McCain. How do Dems prevent that?
    There are four key constituencies the Dems need to win in 2008. They are: Catholic voters, older voters, women voters and Hispanic/Latino voters. Here is Mr. Arnone’s analysis:
    • Catholics:
    Of those who voted in the 2004 elections, 27% were Catholic. With Catholic voters, the Republican Presidential ticket in 2004 had a margin of 5%. This was a shift of 7 percentage points from the Democratic Presidential ticket’s margin of 2% in 2000.
    The last Presidential election in which the Democratic ticket lost the Catholic voter to the Republican ticket was in 1988 (Dukakis-Bentsen vs. Bush-Quayle), when the margin of loss was also 5%. The Democratic Presidential ticket of Clinton-Gore in 1992 and 1996 carried the Catholic vote by margins of 9% and 16% respectively.
    Except for the 2000 election, every Presidential ticket in recent history that has won the Catholic vote has captured the Presidency.
    • Older voters:
    Voters age 60 or older represented 24% of those voting in the 2004 election. Of these, voters age 65 or older represented 19% of those voting in the 2004 election. ….Of voters age 65 or older, 77% are registered to vote. This represents a higher voter registration percentage than any other age group.
    Beginning with the 1976 Presidential election, people age 65 or older have constituted a larger share of actual voters than their portion of the total voting-age population. In the 2004 and 2000 Presidential elections, voters age 65 or older had turnouts of 69% and 67% respectively, which were the highest turnout rates among all age groups.
    In 2004, the Democratic ticket nationwide lost voters age 60 or older to the Republican ticket by a margin of 8%. This was a shift of 12 percentage points from the Democratic Presidential ticket’s margin of 4% in 2000. The Democratic ticket’s margin of loss among voters age 65 or older was 5%. The greater margin of loss among voters age 60 or older was due to the Republican ticket winning the votes of those aged 60-64 by a 15% margin. Among older white voters in 2000, however, the Republican ticket had a margin of 6%.
    More white older voters have backed the Republican Presidential ticket in seven of the last eight Presidential campaigns. Of those age 65 or older, 81% are white.
    ….The last Presidential election in which the Democratic ticket lost older voters to the Republican ticket was in 1988 (Dukakis-Bentsen vs. Bush-Quayle), when the margin of loss was 1%.
    • Women:
    In every Presidential election since 1980, a gender gap has existed. Women have more often supported Democratic candidates, while men have more often supported Republican candidates. In recent Presidential elections, the gap has ranged from 4% to 11%. In 1992, women voters supported the Democratic Presidential ticket in larger numbers than men by 4%. In the 2000 election, the Democratic ticket won the women’s vote by 11%.
    Of the voters nationwide who are men, the Republican Presidential ticket in 2004 had a margin of 11%, which was the same margin as in 2000. Of the voters nationwide who are women, the Democratic Presidential ticket in 2004 had a margin of 3%. This represented a shift of 8 percentage points to the Republican Presidential ticket from the Democratic ticket’s margin among women voters in 2000.
    This decrease in the margin of women voting for the Democratic Presidential ticket may have been the single most important factor in the outcome of the 2004 Presidential election. This gender gap is seen in all age groups, ranging from a 4% Democratic margin among women voters under age 30 to 11% among women voters over age 60.
    While women tend to vote more Democratic and men more Republican, even larger differences exist between married and unmarried voters. Women of voting age who have never been married, are divorced or are widowed comprise 42% of all registered women voters. In the 2000 Presidential election, unmarried women voters represented the same percentage of the electorate as Jewish, African-American, and Hispanic/Latino voters combined.
    …Of married women overall, 55% voted for the Republican Presidential ticket in 2004. Of married women with children, 59% voted for the Republican ticket in 2004. Approximately 60% of single women voted for the Democratic ticket in 2004. The Democratic Presidential ticket, however, has carried the unmarried segment of the electorate in every election since 1988.
    • Hispanics/Latinos:
    Hispanic/Latino voters comprise 6% of the voting population nationwide. This represents an increase of 2% since 2000. With 13% of the total population and 17% of the population under age 18, Hispanics/Latinos are potentially the fastest-growing segment of the electorate. In 2004, the Democratic ticket nationwide won Hispanic/Latino voters by a margin of 11%. This was a shift to the Republican Party of 25 percentage points from the Democratic Presidential ticket’s margin of 36% in 2000.
    …The 2004 Presidential election represented a continuing trend of Hispanic/Latino voters away from the Democratic ticket. The 44% share of the Hispanic/Latino vote achieved by the 2004 Republican Presidential ticket surpassed the previous high of 37% for the 1984 Republican Presidential ticket (Reagan-Bush).
    ….the Republican Presidential ticket in 2004 won a greater share of the Hispanic/Latino vote than any other Republican Presidential ticket since the advent of Presidential election exit polls in 1972.
    In the 2006 Congressional elections, Hispanic/Latino voters voted for Democratic candidates by a 19% margin. This represented a shift to the Democratic Party of 8 percentage points from 2004.
    ….There is diversity among Hispanic/Latino voters nationwide. About two-thirds have roots in Mexico. The remainder includes voters with roots in Cuba, the Dominican Republic, Puerto Rico, and other parts of Latin and South America.
    Mr. Arnone’s conclusion: Hillary is better able to win these four critical groups.
    In the states that have held primaries/caucuses thus far, Clinton has proven to be more attractive to each of these four segments than Obama.
    What makes these four segments critical to the Democratic Party’s chances in November?
    Unlike African-Americans or younger voters who have voted steadfastly for the Democratic Presidential ticket in recent elections, Catholics, Hispanics-Latinos, older voters and women have tended to vote less Democratic in recent Presidential elections. In the 2004 Presidential election, the Democratic Party suffered significant losses of support among each of these four critical constituent groups.
    Superdelegates can decide who to vote for up to the last minute. They can change their mind at the last minute. They can vote according to whatever factors they deem most important.
    The most important factor for superdelegates in my mind right now, given how close the candidates are in vote totals is which candidate has the best chance of winning in November.
    Using the factors laid out by Mr. Arnone, that candidate is Hillary Clinton.
    I’ll add that for me, it may be as simple as which candidate has a better chance of bringing home Florida, Ohio and Pennsylvania in November. I think that candidate is Hillary Clinton.

  • You guys are REALLY stupid. ALL of you! I never did know a liberal that was worth anything…anyway, McCain will win in a landslide plain and simple. How do I know this? I’ve been pretty much RIGHT all of my life. I semi-retired when I was 32 years old and then retired when I was 43. I have lived the life that you can only dream about…WONDERFUL! I’m 61 now and yes, I have received a Christmas card from George and Laura Bush every Christmas. I read these comments on this site and the title of this site and the author…geez, what a bunch of losers!

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