Bush, McCain get a little touchy about their opposition to the GI Bill

One gets the distinct impression that Bush and McCain, both of whom announced their unyielding opposition to a bipartisan expansion of the GI Bill, are a little touchy on the subject. Given how wrong they are, I guess this isn’t especially surprising.

Yesterday, the New York Times published a hard-hitting editorial questioning the White House’s line on the GI Bill. It made the accurate argument that the president and his allies don’t want to hear.

President Bush opposes a new G.I. Bill of Rights. He worries that if the traditional path to college for service members since World War II is improved and expanded for the post-9/11 generation, too many people will take it.

He is wrong, but at least he is consistent. Having saddled the military with a botched, unwinnable war, having squandered soldiers’ lives and failed them in so many ways, the commander in chief now resists giving the troops a chance at better futures out of uniform. He does this on the ground that the bill is too generous and may discourage re-enlistment, further weakening the military he has done so much to break.

So lavish with other people’s sacrifices, so reckless in pouring the national treasure into the sandy pit of Iraq, Mr. Bush remains as cheap as ever when it comes to helping people at home. […]

Mr. Bush — and, to his great discredit, Senator John McCain — have argued against a better G.I. Bill, for the worst reasons. They would prefer that college benefits for service members remain just mediocre enough that people in uniform are more likely to stay put.

In response, a livid White House blasted the NYT, calling the editorial “misleading,” and insisting that it “irresponsibly distorts” the president’s position. Oddly enough, the Bush gang didn’t point to any specific falsehoods in the Times piece, and instead relied on the already-debunked “retention” argument. (Times editorial page editor Andy Rosenthal said it was “puzzling” why the White House attacked the editorial. “We said Bush opposes the Webb bill,” Rosenthal said. “He opposes the Webb bill. I don’t understand what’s misleading about it.”)

McCain seems just as sensitive on the subject.

Yesterday, he sounded pretty defensive.

McCain said his was the right position rather than the politically expedient one, suggesting Obama was on the wrong side of the measure sponsored by Democratic Sen. Jim Webb. […]

“I am running for the office of commander in chief. That is the highest privilege in this country, and it imposes the greatest responsibilities. And this is why I am committed to our bill, despite the support Senator Webb’s bill has received,” McCain, a Navy veteran and Vietnam prisoner of war, said at the New Mexico Veterans Memorial Monday. “It would be easier, much easier politically for me to have joined Senator Webb in offering his legislation.”

However, McCain said he opposed Webb’s measure because it would give the same benefit to everyone regardless of how many times he or she has enlisted. He said he feared that would depress reenlistments by those wanting to attend college after only a few years in uniform.

Why McCain continues to repeat this line is a mystery. He’s fallen in this ditch and he’s decided to keep on digging.

As the NYT editorial noted:

[Bush and McCain] have seized on a prediction by the Congressional Budget Office that new, better benefits would decrease re-enlistments by 16 percent, which sounds ominous if you are trying — as Mr. Bush and Mr. McCain are — to defend a never-ending war at a time when extended tours of duty have sapped morale and strained recruiting to the breaking point.

Their reasoning is flawed since the C.B.O. has also predicted that the bill would offset the re-enlistment decline by increasing new recruits — by 16 percent. The chance of a real shot at a college education turns out to be as strong a lure as ever. This is good news for our punishingly overburdened volunteer army, which needs all the smart, ambitious strivers it can get.

Ironically, last month, during a nationally televised interview, McCain was asked what could be done to help alleviate the strain placed on U.S. troops during the war. McCain responded by saying the government should do more to boost recruiting: “[O]ne of the things we ought to do is provide them significant educational benefits in return for serving.”

And yet, here’s McCain, continuing to argue that we can’t possibly make the educational benefits for veterans too generous.

As digby put it, “Right. We should be generous, but let’s not go crazy. Those bastards who think they deserve to have the government pay for their college after just a few years in uniform simply don’t deserve it. Sure, they may put themselves in the line of fire in Iraq or Afghanistan for a couple of tours and maybe they work for peanuts and their families are on food stamps while they do it. But that’s no reason for them to cheat the taxpayers by taking a college scholarship when they are needed indefinitely in the war zones. They’re nothing but a bunch ‘o big babies.”

Support the war, not our troops!

  • Exactly how many times do you have to get shot at, how many mangled bodies of children do you need to see, how many people do you need to engender a sense of hopelessness in before you’ve earned a shot at a college education and a better life?

  • no, st. john. you are running for the office of president of the united states of america.
    “commander in chief” is among the many jobs of the president. to say you are running for commander in chief only confirms tom harkin’s statement that you view the world with a military (and almost exclusively military) mind-set.

  • “…(Times editorial page editor Andy Rosenthal said it was “puzzling” why the White House attacked the editorial. “We said Bush opposes the Webb bill,” Rosenthal said. “He opposes the Webb bill. I don’t understand what’s misleading about it.”)”

    The editotial makes short-changing our men & women in unifom sound like a BAD thing, that’s where it’s mis-leading.

    (Imagine in Bush’s phony Texas accent) Ya see, we’re leadin’ an we’re right, that is, we’re not wrong, so they got to be wrong. In other words we’re leading, so they must be mis-leading, ya see? Heh heh.
    Now, come here an’ pull mah finger. Heh heh.

  • McCain is a fool, plain and simple. What better way to show his bipartisanship then by signing on to this bill? Not to mention, it would finally provide McCain with a concrete example of him breaking with Bush on an issue. This bill isn’t just good policy for the troops, it’s political gold for McCain. Why he and his incompetent campaign fail to recognize that is completely beyond me.

  • What about all the military personnel leaving and working for private contractors for higher pay?
    I understand that this is a source for friction in Iraq also.

  • What’s interesting to me is WHY McCain didn’t support Webb’s bill. Did he really think it would hurt him with his (fiscally) conservative base? That seems unlikely and “supporting the troops” would trump their objections to the bill’s generosity anyway. So why did he step on this political hornet’s nest? Could it be because Karl Rove is running McCain’s campaign (behind the scenes, of course) but only on the condition that, in order not to tarnish Shrub’s “legacy” McCain march in lockstep with him? The more I see of McCain’s tortured flip-flops (jumping through hoops to satisfy Rove AND maintain his “maverick” image with independents) the more I believe this is true.

  • And one more thing. I read Sen. Obama’s speech that he delivered on Memorial Day. He did not mention the GI bill. I thought this was quite appropriate as Obama probably wished to keep politics out of it. Mccain and Bush obviously felt differently, as they used the occasion to take cheap shots. Typical.

  • I have a friend who has been in the military and reserves for more than 20 years, retired from the police to go to Afghanistan to serve after 9/11 because he wanted to do something for the country. He wound up in Iraq and as is his way did some amazing things. (How do you get good intelligence from the locals? Befriend them! He bought one man a pair of shoes – something that man had never owned before.)

    He’s home now, trying to finally finish an education he never was able to seriously work towards (for his many deployments) and can barely afford going to a community college let alone going to a four year university – state or otherwise. He gets his AA this summer and wants to go on – yet is struggling at every turn.

    And this is a man who has served his state and his country for his entire adult life. That he has to struggle as he does is nothing short of a travesty and brings great shame to this country.

    Luckily, he came back (many times) in one piece. The overall lack of support for all the people in our military should, in itself, be a crime against humanity.

  • As I’ve said before, throughout history the hereditary aristocracy have always held professional soldiers in contempt. After all, if soldiers deserved any consideration they would have been born wealthy too. Or maybe they would have had “other priorities”.

    Bush was born into the aristocracy, McCain married into it. Or to be more precise, McCain traded in the mother of his children for an aristocratic wife.

    But neither of them are elitist . . . .

  • Touchy because it would mean they would actually have to do something to support the troops besides send the troops into places they shouldn’t be and mere sloganeering and PR stunts plus it would cut into the profit margins of their war profiteer buddies.

  • Indeed the NYT article is terribly misleading, you have to say it straight and plain, when it comes to supporting the troops, Bush and McCain do not support the troops.

    Who else but these clowns could step on a stage on Memorial Day to tell the American people that their opponents want to support the troops, but not to worry, the brave President will certainly veto any bill that purports to support the troops.

    Too bad it’s not Memorial Week or Memorial Month, so we could see how long they could keep up explaining how supporting the troops is such a terrible thing.

  • As far as I’m concerned McCain is a disgrace and a traitor to all Armed Forces personnel. He wants to deny them benefits in order to keep them serving. He should be hanging his head in shame instead of touting himself as a war hero.
    The foreclosure rate for military towns is 4 times the national average.
    They are being denied medical care.
    They are being forced into STOP LOSS retention. They are being led by a draft dodger, Cheney, and a duty shirker, Bush.
    This once proud man has become a disgusting, bottom feeding, pond scum politician.

  • McCain is really in a pickle here. He desperately needs to hew to the right, but to do so, he has to openly screw the troops and pretend that’s supporting them. I’m enjoying watching his claimed strength in military matters be systematically dismembered by various Democrats.

    This situation mirrors his dilemmas with lobbyists (he must throw them off his campaign, but they’re naturally pushing back and calling him out as a flip-flopper) and the religious right (he must reject Hagee and Parsley, but doing so further inflames the religious right’s disdain for him).

    Good times.

  • But if our brave and valiant troops come back home and go to college, they might just start thinking for themselves, and that’s dangerous! They won’t wanna go back to the ‘Rack to keep Dick Chene….err America safe for oil exploitation by the corporations.

    My dentist growing up was in WW2- he paid his tuition with the GI bill- and went to the same U I went to.

    George Bush does not support the troops!
    Any other President would be bending over backwards for our people…oh wait, he doesn’t care about Americans.*

    * See Katrina, Hurricane, New Orleans, 9-11, Osama Bin Laden still in hiding.

  • I’m thinking this is political calculation – McCain’s “perceived” strength is the military, so keep a discussion about the military on the front page, even if it’s a ridiculous position.

    Dems should step up and hit this for a home run RIGHT now. See, this is when the party should come together and HIT HARD where it hurts. Clinton, Wes Clark et al should be speaking out loudly on this.

  • Always keep in mind that McCain got a full college education on the public dole before he ever served a second in the military. He got it based on a promise, not actual service.

  • I take this issue pretty personal. Having served in the Army from 72 to 74 I returned home to go to college with the GI Bill. At the time the State of Illinois had its own version of the GI bill that payed tuition at any state school for the same number of years you served. So here was someone who could not afford to pay for college that served his time and was rewarded with a college education. 3 degrees later I am working at a University. There was no way I was going to stay in the Army past my initial enlistment but it did give me a start on life! The bill back then was fairly generous. Someone should ask McCain why the soldiers of today should not get the same benefits he was eligible for! Rant over.

  • People don’t understand. They don’t underSTAND. They DON’T understand.

    Men and women in uniform… our BOYS… (and girlz, sure)… they have ENLISTED. They are NOBLE and GOOD. They are PATRIOTS. They have placed their COUNTRY above all else, above family, above personal considerations, above EVERYTHING. They are THE BEST WE HAVE.

    To provide them with educational benefits, any kind of educational benefits, is to insult them. Who gets educated in this country, in any country? Pinkos. Commies. Lib’ruls. GodDAMN them. You want to send our BOYS and GIRLS in UNIFORM off into a nest of lousy pinko commie lib’ruls? What for? What could they possibly learn there that they don’t already know? WHAT? Why do you hate the troops? Why do you think they’re IGNORANT? STUPID? Why do you think they NEED some lousy crappy worthless lib’rul college education?

    They have all the education they need. They know how to field strip a weapon, how to reload, how to use a grenade, how to drive a jeep. They can KILL TOWELHEADS. Should they get an education so they can get some frickin’ DESK JOB somewhere? No. Their job is to SHOOT THE ENEMY. We will always have enemies to shoot. Nazis. Commies. Islamofascists. Drug dealers. Pedophiles. Lib’ruls. Osama. Obama. Well, both of them if we only could. Ha ha.

    Our TROOPS, our noble TROOPS. They don’t need a new GI Bill. President Bush, Future President McCain, they are WISE and GOOD and KIND and SMART. They know our troops need no ‘higher education’. What kind of education could possibly be higher than the precious knowledge a fighting man or woman earns as the bullets fly about them, as the bombs fall at their feet, as the banners stream and the trumpets blare and they march into triumph and glory? I ask you. I ask you. I ask you.

    Plus, once they sign up we pretty much own ’em. They get what they get. Suckers.

  • It is more important to support financially the NEO-CONS private military contractors than it is to educate The Military of the USA. John McCain is ensuring daily he will follow the NEO-CON requests.

  • lemme get this straight…

    Obama supports Webb’s bill, but it’s a baaaad baaaad bill, and he’s only doing it topander to the military.

    McCain “supported” a non-existent bill to eliminate the federal gas tax for three months, seriously cutting into the money the gov’t is supposed to use to maintain federal roads, and would save families enough money during the summer for one extra tank of gas, MAYBE two. But that’s NOT pandering, that’s giving civilians a much-deserved break. Because they need 60 dollars in cash WAY more than soldiers need a college education.

    McCain = a$$hole

  • I am struggling to comprehend why McCain would not have supported the original Webb GI bill as it would have shown is bi-partisanship and taken some of the wind out of the Democrats sails as well as distanced himself from Bush. Bad decision or bad strategy?

    The only thing I can think of is his team of corporate-minded lobbyist/advisers got to him to oppose it as they don’t want to see the flow of healthy men that have successfully served their time leaving the forces to go to college in stead of signing back up with their friends running private militias, oops private contractors.

    Or of course maybe I am giving McCain too much credit and he just has no idea what is going on.

  • It’s odd that the folks who mastered the art of stop-lossing troops, lowering the bar on acceptance criteria for the military and sending troops back into combat for previously inconceivable numbers of rotations also fail to see a better GI Bill would provide an incentive for greater number of more qualified citizens to enlist. They would rather avoid using carrots to solve the problem and instead resort to their handy sticks to beat our current troops until they are bereft of life. I wish Bush would understand all of troops have given up much more than golf for his silly little war.

  • The guy who was against torture because he was tortured until he decided torture wasn’t that bad is now the guy who supported the troops because he received support until he decided supporting the troops is bad.

    Get it? Got it. Good.

  • You’re giving McCain too much credit. McCain opposed the bill because it was Webb’s bill (i.e. a Democrat) and because Bush opposed it. McCain has a bi-partisan history, but most of it is on bills with his name on them, where he can get the credit and the “maverick” publicity. You can see the same character flaw in his reported personal hatred of Obama. A real consensus builder would be happy to have someone like Obama to negotiate and compromise with, instead McCain seems to be jealous of someone else stealing his publicity.

  • So we pass the McCain bill and then what? Those troops who served only part of a tour and were wounded and CAN’T re-enlist, what do we do with them? Oh wait, it herein McCains bill: pg 72, section 5.5, paragraph 3 it states simply: “Fuck ’em”

  • McCain may have legitmate reasons for not backing Webb’s bill, but to claim that we must keep servicemen and women in some kind of indentured servitude to ‘earn’ educational benefits cannot reasonably be thought to be one of them. He literally says it — we can’t provide benefits because then they won’t stay in. In order to keep them in and keep them deployed on tour after tour of duty in combat zones, we have to make them earn those benefits. No consideration that someone on a first enlistment might nevertheless see combat twice.

    If we need to grow the size of the military (not something that would be necessary in a world that didn’t require the occupation of Iraq), then we ought to either consider either the inducements the Webb bill provides or think about restoring the draft. We’ll never do the latter as it gives ordinary citizens too much say over military policy (keeps it from staying too divorced from reality for too long), but we apparently also can’t do the former. No, the logic of maintaining a military force in a mission that contradicts the peoples’ will means that we essentially have to create an army of either mercenaries or of prussian infantymen who were useless for anything accept fighting. Rewarding them for service just isn’t in the cards.

    Also, I know that the Webb bill has conceded ground on this point, but what’s with the notion that benefits can be transferable to spouses or children. Though I think should be allowed to happen should a serviceperson suffer death or disablement that precludes him/her from taking advantage of edcuational benefits and though I realize that families do go through a lot while service people are deployed, for me the notion that these benefits are transferable also conjures up the scenario where servcie people feel forced to stay in to provide these benefits to their children — another form of servitude. Also it takes away from the notion that these benefits are given by a grateful nation to those who actually served and risked themselves on our behalf.

    Lots wrong with the McCain bill.

  • McCain is not a very nice person, and his personal history tells us that. He was indeed a POW but he was shot down because he did not follow proper military procedure. He dumped his first wife for a wealthier one, and has caved into Bush every time we needed him to be strong. Why oh why would he be a strong leader with the judgement we need to fix the pickle that the Bush/Cheney regime has produced? He has revealed his true character: a cold, calculating, stupid politician with nothing driving him but raw ambition.

  • You know what? In just the past week, I’ve completely changed my mind. We *should* short-change the troops. Heck, we should utterly stop any and all benefits entirely. They should get the salary and the housing, and that’s it.

    Because really, I’m sick and tired of pretending that they’re not responsible for what they are doing. They aren’t just cogs in the machine. They’re people, with minds of their own, capable of making their own choices and understanding the morality of what they do. Each and every one of them had the choice to become a conscientious objector, or not to have enlisted in the first place. Each and every one of them is responsible for which choice they made and for what they did afterward. Every bullet or shell they shot, every bomb they dropped, every person they killed, rests on their heads. They chose to do those things.

    It would be a different matter if they were conscripts, like so many of them were in Vietnam. But we don’t have a draft; they all volunteered to be part of this illegal invasion and occupation. And I am angry. I am angry that my country has been doing this terrible crime in my name, and now I’m being asked to support the troops who signed up for it.

    To hell with them. I’m pissed off, and I’m not going to take it anymore. To hell with the troops. To hell with the whole armed forces. Unless and until they stop being a tool used by the empire builders who run the US today, I refuse to support them. They volunteered for this mess. They’re responsible for it.

    And maybe, *JUST MAYBE*, by not providing any benefits for enlistment, it will weaken the army enough that the US really won’t be able to continue this empire building. Or alternately, the criminals in charge will be forced to resort to a draft, which will finally wake the American people up to what is being done in their name. Then you’d see real change, I’ll tell you.

    But in any case, to hell with the army, and with the people who volunteered for this. They’ve made their own bed, now they can lay in it.

  • The illegal criminal invasion and occupation of the sovereign state of Iraq was staged by Bush to give cover to the funneling of U. S. taxpayer dollars into the pockets of Halliburton, Blackwater and other U. S. corporations. Bush exploited the troops.

  • Shade Tail: chill. The men and women of the armed forces are no more responsible for Iraq than you are for GWB’s policy (and the congresscritters who supported and enabled it for the past six years). I guarantee that only a small percentage (if any) specifically volunteered to risk getting their body parts blown off in a third world country. Focus your fire on those truly responsible: GWB and RBC.

  • The argument that to give the GI Bill benefits to soldiers would decrease retention is bogus. First of all there’s stop loss. Most can’t get out anyway. Secondly, he says he wants to give greater benefits for those who enlist more than once. Well, my son is headed for Iraq for the second time. He has been in the military since he was 17 (he turned 18 in boot camp) and has just turned 27. He’s still on his first enlistment. He never gets to re-enlist, although he will get the opportunity this time, because he get’s “held over” from his first enlistment. So conceivably, a soldier can go to Iraq or Afghanistan (or both) several time and still be on their first enlistment. How McCain can make that argument about not giving GI Bill $ to soldiers who served only one enlistment with a straight face is beyond me…

  • Ridiculous: The argument that to give the GI Bill benefits to soldiers would decrease retention is bogus. First of all there’s stop loss. Most can’t get out anyway. Secondly, he says he wants to give greater benefits for those who enlist more than once. Well, my son is headed for Iraq for the second time. He has been in the military since he was 17 (he turned 18 in boot camp) and has just turned 27. He’s still on his first enlistment. He never gets to re-enlist, although he will get the opportunity this time, because he get’s “held over” from his first enlistment. So conceivably, a soldier can go to Iraq or Afghanistan (or both) several time and still be on their first enlistment. How McCain can make that argument about not giving GI Bill $ to soldiers who served only one enlistment with a straight face is beyond me…

  • Supreme Commander or the people’s President…hmmm. Says it all huh?

    It is so obvious that one of the main reasons for joining the service is the college perk and since the stats show that the lure to join equals the loss of reenlistment to go to college, the issue really does show Bush and McCain to be cheap unappreciative bastards.
    They had no problem making sure millions went to no bid contracts for their buddies but here they croak about being too generous to the troops. Not a leg to stand on. They are consistent though in denying benefits to our soldiers, trying instead to bolster profiteering to private groups by privatizing military support groups. Petty and shameless.

  • Drew: You’re basically saying that Bush and his cronies are the entire problem. They aren’t. Bush made it into the White House and lasted this long because there are a lot of Americans who actually believe that we have the right to start wars of choice against people we don’t like. And I think a lot of those Americans are either in the military or in charge of it.

    So no, sorry, I will not “chill”. This is a systemic problem not just in our government, but in our entire society. Getting rid of Bush is important, but that alone will not solve the real problem. We have to end this destructive idea that the military is a legitimate organization, or that it is a good tool to use in our foreign policy. It is neither.

    And we have to stop giving people a pass just because they wear a uniform. Anyone who signs up to be a soldier not expecting that they would end up in a cesspool like Iraq hasn’t been paying attention even to the past 20 years, let alone the past 200 years.

  • Wow. Revenge of the nerds. I support more benefits for the troops. However, to argue that goofy civilian types (like the ones posting) know better than the generals how to distribute these additional benefits IS PURE ARROGANCE.

  • Shade Tail, I guess we’ll have to agree to disagree. I would argue that the vast majority of Americans who believe we can start wars of choice are chicken hawks and/or right wing nutcases. To tar the entire military with this brush is unfair and quite frankly uninformed. Indeed, I’ll bet that most people enlisting do so to save/earn money for college, learn transferrable skills transferrable to civilian jobs, or to transition to the reserves and eventually get a pretty good retirement package. And just because the military it is a tool that has been grossly misused and abused by GWB does not mean it has no place in our foreign policy…a big stick is nice to have in negotiations with antogonistic regimes.

    But point taken that GWB and his cronies aren’t the entire problem; the voters share some of the responsibility as well.

  • I have G.I. Bill benefits.

    First off though, in reference to the “entire problem”, in defense of the average conservative American, and in defense of the average soldier > a lot of soldiers don’t believe in preemptive war. You’d be surprised. Thing is, the shock is still moving through the ranks. It manifests itself everywhere, and in different ways for each individual. Depression, sort of a denial. Some just choose not to address it, and avoid the conversation. I dunno. Ever been slapped in the face and unable to believe it happened? Wanted to believe that it didn’t? Ever try with your whole heart and soul to reconcile something with a spouse that could not be reconciled?

    Each individual has to look back at his time in life, and his participation in said event, as part of who and what they are… forever. It doesn’t matter if it’s fair or not. Calling people heroes (which is bullshit and hated in general, but not loudly decried because of how rude and ungreatful it would sound) and giving them whatever benefit does not help this… and it’s true that it does spit in the face of that that to some extent. Military service is not something that has to come with dishonor… Soldiers don’t tend to deal with it in groups and in protest, but individually. And that oath and duty override their personal opinions (the welfare of the many outweighs that of the individual, right? That’s a very liberal/progressive ideal). Now, the whole oath and duty thing might sound a bit cliche but a man’s word truly is his bond… even to the point that we try not to say stupid, foolish, or hateful things, because the things we say define us. A promise broken to my own child or my country or myself hurts and damages what and who I want to be more than most any other offense. So that’s why they follow orders- to keep order. And that it is truly unethical for them to challenge the authority of the highest and lesser seats of authority, breaking their oaths and promises. NOT because they are ignorant, bigoted, willful murderers, or a societal problem demographic. To speak of these people as such is insulting and hurtful… but I’ve been hated before.

    About G.I. Bill benefits… c’mon now. The program would be gone by now if veterans started using it. Do you know how many vets actually dig into their G.I. Bill benefit? And it is soooo much fun trying to penetrate the bureaucracy in place to prevent the extraction of that money from the government once it’s there. That money is lost when it goes in. So go ahead, pump in more money. Same goes for the V.A. More money will not fix these institutions. No. Only honest people. I wish you would keep your money for exclusive distribution to veterans injured in the service. The government makes a POOR, POOR middle man.

  • So basically, McCain would rather string along those who sign up and volunteer with delayed benefits, like a trainer holding out treats to an animal as he trains it to jump through “just one more hoop, now another, one more, that’s it!” before he gives up the treat. The question then becomes, how many hoops will McCain place in front or our servicemen and women before he gives up the treat?

    If he thinks Webb’s bill will hurt retention, his bill will kill recruitment.

  • for what it’s worth, I think vets would use the hell out of it were it easy to get at… and you didn’t have to go live with momma to make it work.

    I’ve still got to be convinced that this will go through. It’s never that easy. I can’t wait to see the roadblocks and catches.

  • mellowjohn you said a lifetime of words in your small statement. i totally agree. school america

  • How many ARMS,LEGS.FACES,EYES, MINDS AND DEATHS DO THE MEN AND WOMEN OF OUR MILITARY HAVE TO SUFFER BEFORE THEY ARE GIVEN WHAT THEY HAVE EARNED???????????!!!!!!!!!!

  • A dead-ringer for armageddon. We are FUCT. Smoke crack, worship satan or else! Fuck you for getting caught up in this bullshit conversation. Our opinions, votes, and feelings don’t mean shit.

  • As an Iraq veteran who served 3 tours, I am disgusted with both Bush and McCain. The fact of the matter is that too many soldiers don’t even get the chance to use the GI Bill. When you talk to a recruiter they tell you how you can earn $50,000 for college by signing for 6 years. Well after 6 years what do you get? NOTHING!!!

    This whole war is Bush’s fault! He is a liar and that is that. I have lost countless friends for a war we can not win. When is enough enough already?

  • The troops and their families are what make this kind of commentary possible. Help them better their lives after they have done the job of keeping freedom of RUNNING YOUR MOUTHS possible. SUPPORT THE TROOPS!!!

  • As a veteran after eight years of service, I’ve been using my GI Bill for the last three years. It is possible to do something for yourself once you are out. Taxes and the economy are not getting any cheaper and allowing someone the opportunity to get an education after they have earned it could make or break a person’s future.

  • Between the false prophet (Obama), & the greedy chicken shxxts in the G.O.P. We are screwed!!!! One of the parties better get it together!!! None of us HAVE to vote. Does everyone understand that. If none of us voted between these two disasters, we could see a “real change” in our politics. ( Change = stop taking the politicians crap!!) We don’t have to choose! We need to stand up to these losers!!!

  • I have what I think is a FANTASTIC idea to cheaply boost the numbers of our military personnel in the middle eastern war zones without having to put out ANY money. This idea will even SAVE the government money: Let’s send all of our death row inmates and those serving without possibility of parole. Replace those risking their lives for OUR freedom with others who will risk all for THEIR freedom. Make it a mandatory stretch of 8 years on the front line. Put the “natural born killers” to work doing what they do best, and pay them the same wage they’d earn while holding a job in prison. To me, that’s the only better alternative to enhancing the GI Bill if you support Bush or McCain’s view. My father, raised without the help of his father, enlisted during the Vietnam War (yes, WAR), not just for the love of his country, but also with the intention of getting a college education when he got out of the Marine Corps, so you cannot tell me that a stronger GI Bill will not entice new recruits. So I say, if you don’t want to pay for any more benefits for those who volunteer freely to fight for our country and are college material, offer the job to those who aren’t…AND HAVE NOTHING TO LOSE.

  • George Carlin was right: This Democracy has been over for a long ttime. Old money has always run this country, under the banner of Democracy; with the help of government and religion to keep people in line. Bush,cheney,rumsfeld,mccain are all part of that ruling class. BYE Bye Miss American pie, Drove my chevy to the levy and the levy was OWNED BY HALLIBURTON. WAKE UP AMERICA THEIR MIGHT STILL BE A CHANCE. change is our last chance. Howard the Duck.

  • you just don’t get it. they want a bill thats fair for the GI’s and one thats fair for our nations budget. we can’t afford the bill as it stands. no one wants to cheat the men that serve and protect us. but we have to be reasonable and fair to everyone. this bill is not it….

  • As a three year veteran of the cold war between Korea and Vietnam, I am strongly in favor of a generous G.I. Bill. My educational G.I. Benefits were significantly curtailed presumably because I had simultaneously earned a government pre-doctoral fellowship. Nevertheless, the portion that I was the recipient of was critical in assisting me to complete my graduate studies, particularly, since I had a wife and two children. Regardless of the period of active duty served, every veteran should be treated the same and the notion of whether a soldier is likely to reenlist should not enter into the decision. Finally, I find it rather strange for someone who never served on active duty in the military to have such a strong opposition to benefits for those who did serve honorably and many of them were severely maimed.

  • The Sen. Webb bill is not sufficient for this retired Air Force member. Also, Pres. Bush, Sen. McCain, and CONGRESS are so out of touch with reality. A full college education for service as little as a couple years is not only poor judgment but would add such tremendous costs to a national tax burden and continue the Democrats “spend habits’ without a recepient obligating himself/herself to continued service. In my opinion, a member must serve a minimum of four years, active/reserve, prior to receiving a full 4-year GI benefit, educational program should be of benefit for a further 6-year obligation to government service; i.e. as with R.O.T.C. and military academy programs.

    I served my Nation 20 years plus 18 years civil service. I am the proud beneficiary of the Viet Nam GI bill continuing my education throughout my government service.

    Our Nation’s leaders, even down to local levels, seek ONLY the financial rewards of their positions. The Liberal Democrats and uneducated or poorly educated will reward the American people and its founders in the hands of a “child” senator, Junior Senator Obama and the likes of Clinton, Gore, Pelosi, Boxer, Reid, Durban,,,,. SOCIALISTS.

    Approaching 69 years, I have never been more ashamed to leave my grandchildren to the “fallen democracy”. The Roman Empire fell. Mr. Obama and his caucas groups of supporters shall assure the World Our God Shall Keep His Promises.

    Most sincerely a supporter of our President and the Constitution,

    Charles E. Bowman

  • I do not understand why people are so upset over the opposition to this bill. the idea of transferring benefits to spouses or dependents is ludicrous.
    Certainly, I think there should be a provision for college for the military for service but 4 years of military service seems fair to me. How are we to pay for all this generosity???

  • I am an honorably discharged veteran of the U.S. Army. McCain, Bush and the lot are a disgrace to the rights men and women in uniform sacrificed their time and often their lives for. And now they have the gall and audacity to try and prevent these same men and women from making their lives better after making sure the lives of Americans, as well as Iraqis and Afghanis, were made better first? How ironic the Bush administration would trumpet the building of schools for Iraqis and Afghanis while putting higher education out of reach for U.S. servicemembers.

    I have changed my voting affiliation from Republican to Independent and cannot wait for the current cancer in the White House to be removed.

  • “Most sincerely a supporter of our President and the Constitution,

    Charles E. Bowman”

    Charles,

    You do see the irony of your signature, don’t you? GW Bush thinks the Constitution is “just a piece of paper” and has done everything in his power to NOT “to defend the Constitution”, which he swore he would do at his inauguration.

    I have never been more ashamed of the President and his administration and his “bring it on” attitude. The damage done to our countries reputation in the world will take years , if not decades, to correct. And John McCain wants to extend the Bush tax cuts to the top 1% of income earners, solve our energy dependence on oil by drilling for more oil, and keep our troops in Iraq until “victory”. Can anyone please tell me what victory looks like? Is it victory when less of our soldiers get killed every day? Is it victory when Iraqis stop killing other Iraqis because their neighborhoods are already ethnically cleansed?

  • What a Freudian slip, “I am running for the office of commander in chief.” As some previous comments pointed out, he is running for President of the United States and commander in chief is only a slim part of the resume required. In doing so, he reveals his own one-dimensional view of the role and his admitted lack of knowledge (or interest) in any other topic such as economics.

    McCain is war crazy because his interest in the Presidency is too become commander in chief and succeed his Admiral Daddy, without having to re-enter the military that he was shuffled out of when he began his political career thanks to Cindy’s beer money.

  • McCain is a dumb, stupid BUSH Lackey that think just like his commander in chief and if the Americans put this chip monk cheek idiot in office in Nov. 2008, all I can say is “these stupid people get what they deserve” ie. another four years of the BUSHWACKER who is bankrupting this country; selling out to foreigners and big oil barones, of which he and his ole dad are and the scary part, has more countries hating this county than ever in the history of being a country. One that I used to be proud of. I will say, it is Americans fault and if they don’t get their freaking heads out of the sand, this mess will only get worse in the next four years after ole chipmonk cheeks get in.

  • I’m a vet and a spouse to an active and while he was deployed we had to go on WIC just so we would have some food in the house for our son. I’ve been jumping through every hoop to get an education so when the next deployment comes I can sleep at night instead of being up with hunger pains. Thanks Pres. Bush!!!

  • “Dumbing” down America is the goal of Bush and McCain. That is why under Bush’s administration we saw the rates on student loans raised. They want to make it too expensive for the average American to afford a college education. Money seems to protect money and when there is a risk of “common” people learning to use their critical thinking skills through a higher education, it puts old money at risk for new money making a better life for themselves. An educated American is also less likely to fall prey to the Fear Tactics of the Republicans. Bush and McCain want an America that will follow them without question into War, Poverty and dependency on Foreign Products because it provides money for their friends.

  • what do you want from the only administration that won a presidency from a Supreme Court ruling….this whole 8 years is an illegitimate mess of warhounds who want to rule the world! This is simply not an American “for the people” government anymore and can easily be compared to the actions of a totalitarian style governing where the views of few can be imposed on those who should be in control….THE PEOPLE.

    where does it end? 1-20-2009

    are we there yet?

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