It depends on what he means by ‘quiet’ in Iraq

War supporters often find it tricky to praise events on the ground in Iraq. Invariably, they seem to praise war conditions in such a way that ends up embarrassing them, and undermining their point, in ways reminiscent of Baghdad Bob insisting that the U.S. “invaders” are nowhere near Baghdad.

Take John McCain, for example, speaking at a town-hall meeting in Wisconsin yesterday.

“So I can tell you that it is succeeding,” McCain said. “I can look you in the eye and tell you it’s succeeding. We have drawn down to pre-surge levels. Basra, Mosul and now Sadr city are quiet and it’s long and it’s hard and it’s tough and there will be setbacks.”

McCain’s timing couldn’t have been much worse to brag about the “quiet” in Iraq.

Right around the same time McCain was boasting of the “quiet” in Mosul, “Another suicide bomber driving a police vehicle struck Iraqi commandos earlier Thursday in Mosul, killing three of them and wounding nine other people, according to battalion commander Capt. Aziz Latif. The victims were from a unit sent from the southern city of Kut to participate in the Mosul crackdown, Latif said.”

And then shortly after that, just outside Mosul, “A suicide bomber killed 14 police recruits and two policemen in northern Iraq on Thursday, police and military sources said. An attacker wearing a military uniform detonated an explosive vest near a police recruiting centre where about 200 applicants queued at Sinjar, near Mosul, police said. Ten police recruits and five police officers were wounded, police and military sources said. Sunni insurgents have carried out frequent attacks on police recruits, killing hundreds.”

And what about McCain’s claim that we have “drawn down to pre-surge levels”? That’s actually not true, either, at least not yet: “The increased U.S. presence in Iraq — which topped out at about 170,000 troops — is expected to go down to 140,000 by the end of July. U.S. officials plan to keep 15 combat brigades in Iraq through the end of the year, though ongoing assessments could allow commanders to change those numbers.”

As Nico Pitney concluded, “Clearly, McCain’s various congressional trips to Iraq haven’t made him infallible on the issue.”

Is it me or is it odd that McCain can’t seem to talk about Iraq at all without managing to get the facts wrong? I realize McCain wants to use the war as the basis for campaign attacks against Barack Obama, but McCain may want to reevaluate that strategy — or at least brush up on his talking points before the next town-hall meeting.

Isn’t that part of the repub play book. 1/2 the country are either idiots or don’t care enough to pay attention. they need to keep it that way if they want to win.

  • No, it’s not odd that the Republican presidential nominee should get his “facts” wrong about Iraq. How many Republicans get their “facts” right? About Iraq or any other topic. As long as the uncritical & supine media fails to actually point out that they’re lying, why would the Republicans have any desire to tell the truth?

  • Unfortunately, with the MSM rarely doing any fact checking, most listeners will never hear that McCain gets the facts wrong. They will simply hear the incorrect information over and over until they believe it to be true. After all, how many Americans still “know” that Iraq had WMD.

    Typically, when the MSM does bother to present someone indicating McCain gets it wrong, they will portray it as a “controversy”‘; reducing it to a difference of opinion (and a partisan one at that), leaving the viewer to “choose” the facts they wish to believe.

  • Rick,

    Here, here. It would be wise for us progressives to keep in mind — we are looking to have a landslide year, not because half of the country has grown more tolerant, but simply because the intolerant half is so disgusted with politics-as-usual (lately, Republican style) that significant percentages of them are most likely going to stay away from the polls. Plus, leading Democratic Presidential candidates have galvanized the electorate and pumped up the numbers of progressive voters enormously. Neither condition is necessarily permanent.

  • By “quiet” mclame means that if he had a flak jacket, overhead helicopters for support, tanks, and more than 100 heavily armed guards at his side, it would be just like walking through a mall in America.

  • Rick – what you say has some merits, but even idiots know they, pretty soon, they are not going to be able to afford gas to get to work.

  • It’s “quiet” because the cyclone in Burma, the earthquake in China, and the horserace to be the Dem candidate has sucked all of the oxygen out of the Corp Media. No measly 65 people blown into oblivion is more important than Obama’s mistake about WWII, right?

  • you know what we need more of? Pop-Up video MCain speeches. Take a current McCain speech, encapsulate in 5 minutes, play some POS top 40 song, or a classic rock protest song, in the bckground so the ignorant & uneducated pay attention & each time McCain lies, up pops a factoid that belies that talking point. Get it on youtube & make it viral. I’m sure there are some out there, but we need more, like, daily, to influence those who REALLY don’t want to be influenced.

  • McCain said. “I can look you in the eye and tell you it’s succeeding.

    I could probably find several people who could look me in the eye and tell me they’ve seen Elvis.

    The looking me in the eye part is not going to have the effect you are hoping for, Senator.

  • As I see it, the real story here is that you have a presidential candidate who admits he can look you in the eye and lie. Steely…

  • I have a conservative friend who frequently sends emails containing outright lies about Sen. Obama. A recent email contained positions by Obama and McCain. In an effort to counter what he way relaying, I went to check McCain’s voting record. I should have not been surprised, but almost every item voted on by the senate was followed by the words, “not voting”.
    We’ve heard about him missing the GI Bill and other “biggies”, but he’s missed a ton of votes. he claims the good folks in AZ understand why he misses, and maybe they do. But, if he’s my senator, I want him voting. The two candidates on the other side find the time to make most of the votes.

  • little bear I agree and it makes me nuts. DOC, I don’t consider myself progressive. I’m a pissed off indie who will never vote for a pub again. (I decided that in 92 after watching Pat B. speech). Lib on social issues middle on taxes.

  • CB: …but McCain may want to reevaluate that strategy

    Nah, he is doing just great.
    Although I’d like a little more straight talk:

    In the video he says “it is long and it is hard and it is tough.”
    He forgot to include “expensive.”

    Pray tell Mr. McCain:
    How much we can expect to pay per second in Iraq when you are Lord of Our Realm?

  • McBush is the fucking same as the other Bush: invested in his own delusions as McClellan has pointed out ………… in order to justify whatever he needs to justify. McBush is exactly the fucking same: DELUSIONAL. the last thing that what is left of our former country called American needs is another DELUSIONAL PRESIDENT.

  • I could probably find five or six people to look you in the eye and tell you they ARE Elvis. Several of them I would elect president over McCain

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