McCain wants to debate the meaning of the phrase ‘pre-surge’

Following up on an item from this morning, John McCain told a Wisconsin audience yesterday, “I can look you in the eye and tell you [the president’s policy in Iraq is] succeeding. We have drawn down to pre-surge levels. Basra, Mosul, and now Sadr city are quiet and it’s long and it’s hard and it’s tough and there will be setbacks.”

It was jarring to hear McCain call Mosul “quiet” the same day as a couple of suicide bombers killed at least 19 people, including 14 police recruits. But it’s McCain’s belief that we have “drawn down to pre-surge levels” that seems especially odd.

McCain, who claims some kind of expertise in military affairs and foreign policy, should know that the U.S. presence in Iraq won’t go down to 140,000 until the end of July. For him to tell an audience of voters that we’re already at “pre-surge levels” is not only plainly false, it’s embarrassing, especially given McCain’s recent bouts of confusion and incoherence on Iraq policy.

On a conference call this morning, John Kerry raised asalient point:

“If you don’t know the numbers of troops, it’s very difficult to make a judgment about whether or not they’re over-extended. It’s also very hard to have an understanding, as a citizen, about what levels of troops he’s going to keep there. If he thinks 150,000 is ‘pre-surge,’ and that’s where he’s going to stay, that’s a deeply over-extended military, and it raises serious questions about his comprehension of this challenge.”

Exactly. If McCain is just a little slow on the uptake, it would only be mildly humiliating for the guy who’s been wrong about every facet of the war for six years. But the fact that he’s still confused about basics — like how many U.S. troops are in Iraq right now — raises doubts about whether he can shape a realistic policy for a war he doesn’t understand.

The McCain campaign has responded with a statement from spokesman Tucker Bounds:

“Clearly John Kerry and Barack Obama have very little understanding of troop levels, but considering Barack Obama hasn’t been to Iraq in 873 days and has never had a one on one meeting with Gen. Petraeus, it isn’t a surprise to anyone that he demonstrates weak leadership.

“What informed people understand, John McCain included, is that American troops are not even close to surge levels.”

First, you’ll notice reading over McCain campaign press releases that they throw around “weak leadership” whether it makes sense or not. Like Giuliani using “9/11,” the McCain gang have a kind of Tourette’s that leads them to throw around “weak leadership” at random moments, seemingly for no reason.

Second, it’s hard not to admire this ridiculous effort at spinning a demonstrable mistake. McCain said, “We have drawn down to pre-surge levels.” Tucker Bounds wants us to believe that we’re not “informed” if we listen to what McCain said and believe he meant it.

Taking this one step further, Sen. Jon Kyl (R-Ariz.), asked on a campaign conference call about McCain’s confusion, responded, “So what?

Obama campaign spokesman Hari Sevugan concluded:

“The McCain campaign still can’t explain why John McCain could be so clearly and factually wrong in stating that our troops are at ‘pre-surge’ levels. They are not, and anyone who wants to be Commander-in-Chief should know better before launching divisive political attacks. Once again, Senator McCain has shown that he is far more interested in stubbornly making the case for continuing a failed policy in Iraq than in getting the facts right.”

McCain could prevent incidents like these if he’d take a moment to learn about what’s going on in the war he’s championed for six years. I know it’s complicated, but if he wants to be the Commander in Chief, he should probably be able to understand the basics.

I know it’s complicated, but if he wants to be the Commander in Chief, he should probably be able to understand the basics.

Why start now? chimpy doesn’t even come close to understanding the basics and he’s been in office for 8 years. They’ve all seen how that’s worked out… so why change?

  • Isn’t there a movie about McCaniac’s campaign? I believe it was called “Say Anything.”

    Still you have to gaze in horror at what ReThugs consider supporting the troops. Decent equipment? No. Decent benefits? Forget it. Bothering to know what the troops are doing where? Ha ha ha!

    Facts are such unpleasant things.

    And this doesn’t make any fucking sense at all.

    ”Basra, Mosul, and now Sadr city are quiet and it’s long and it’s hard and it’s tough and there will be setbacks.”

    How can it be quiet AND long and hard and tough? I guess McCaniac remembered at the last minute that if he pitches the quiet angle to hard people will ask why the soliders can’t come home. Jackass.

    “What informed people understand, John McCain included, is that American troops are not even close to surge levels.”

    Unless they know BushBot has another surge planned … /tinfoil hat.

  • McCain was never the sharpest tool in the shed. He graduated from the US Naval Academy as #894 out of 899. (What became of those other five duds?) He probably wouldn’t have been appointed there on merit, but since both his father and grandfather were four-star admirals, well…

    George Bush proved that you need to be neither knowledgeable nor smart to become president. Bush has also proven that such a person is unlikely to do even an adequate job as president.

    Truly, the “McSame” nickname is well-earned.

  • Aren’t we long past the point of entertaining the slightest hope that Senator McCain will offer a coherent, workable policy on anything?

  • I’m just waiting to hear from ol’ black-hole Mary about how this hurts Obama.

  • God damn the Obama campaign is a sweet operation. I never understood the idea of those who suggested that primaries need to be as tough as the general election, but that never made sense to me. And now we see what the Obama people had in them. McCain keeps getting pummeled and the Obama people aren’t even trying hard.

    Looks like McCain brought a wet paper towel to a knifefight and still doesn’t know it yet. He’s seeing lots of blood and can only hope it’s coming from the other side. It isn’t.

  • “I can look you in the eye and tell you [the president’s policy in Iraq is] succeeding.”

    …and apparently McCain can also do that with the utmost dishonesty and deceit in mind. So if you’ve enjoyed being lied to for nearly 8 years, like those who support McCain, this similarity between he and Bush is surely a glory to behold.

    How many years ago was Bush’s statement “Absolutely we’re winning.”?

    Vote McCain and rest assured, in 3.5 more years he will look us in the eyes and tell us, “absolutely we’re winning.” Then he will ask you to vote him a second term at age 76.

  • McCain could prevent incidents like these if he’d take a moment to learn about what’s going on in the war he’s championed for six years. – Mr. CB

    He can’t. He doesn’t have the mental capability to do that. The memory isn’t there and the ability to store and cross reference and assemble coherent thoughts is just gone. At least at the level needed to be competitive in this race. Whatever he had has left. Or it’s a faint shadow.

    HoJo straightens him out with whispers in his ear. His campaign/527 crew create his thoughts for him which he then goes out and mangles. He’s so lucky that this Obama/Clinton throwdown has been going on because he’s going to look like a lost fool when the lights and eyes and ears really turn toward him and find a ball of confusion.

    He’s not up to the task of running for president. He’s sure as hell not up to the task of being president.

  • Kyl asks “So what?”

    Well, ask the family of the soldier who dies between now and July, when he was scheduled to return home, so what. See what answer you get.

    Or one of the dozens who will suffer a traumatic brain injury between now and then.

  • Today was good for Obama: McCain ended the day (1) admitting that he won’t misuse Petraeus again, and (2) found his team struggling to parse the “pre-surge levels” gaffe (one advisor even said “…and if we want to talk about verb tenses, we can talk about verb tenses.”) 🙂

    Also, Pew polling numbers found Obama gaining against McCain (even though he’s still trailing by 3 points as opposed to 12 points a month ago) with regards to whether people trust them on Iraq.

    Since concern trolls have been quoting polls as “empirical evidence” of how Obama is doing badly, today’s Pew Poll does quite the opposite…

    Of course no time to gloat – We need Kerry, Biden, Webb, Richardson, and Edwards to come in full force supporting Obama on TV all the time. Plus, I’m betting on an Obama/Warner ticket.

  • So is everything even remotely related to US foreign policy going to be spun by the McCain camp into “reminding” people how many days it has been since Obama’s last visit to Iraq?

  • If he thinks 150,000 is ‘pre-surge,’ […] — John Kerry

    But of course it is pre-surge! All the way back to March ’03 pre-surge, but, so what?

  • They keep throwing around the words “surge troops” and “pre-surge levels” as though Americans aren’t paying attention the fact that the units that have managed to come home had to come home as their rotation was done. They aren’t drawing down to “pre-surge” levels because things are going well, they’re doing it because they have no other choice aside from freezing rotations…wait a minute, they’re doing that too.

  • I can’t help but note that his response was worse than a simple acknowledgement that he made a misstatement. We now have two responses to weigh: 1) some nonsense about brigages which doesn’t really address the fact that even by this measure we still aren’t back to pre-surge “levels” 2) it was all about Hon. Sen. McCain using the wrong verb tense (how if this were correct the Senator himself didn’t think to mention it remains unaddressed)

    By this second logic, we are left to ponder whether his other “look you in the eye” statements also come with multiple choice “tenses;” how about: ‘the president’s policy in Iraq might be succeeding’ or ‘Basra, Mosul, and now Sadr city were quiet and it will be long and it could have been hard and it will have been tough and there were to be setbacks?’

  • I am beginning to wonder if McCain knows anything at all about Iraq and the Iraq occupation that is actually true.

  • It is important for the Obama campaign to hit back immediately when this crap comes up and let people know that he is actually running to be President. For too long candidates didn’t repond quickly or forcefully enough. It is refreshing to have Senator Obama hit McCain immediately and forcefully. I am really hopeful about Novemeber.

  • It is important for the Obama campaign to hit back immediately when this crap comes up […] — mishanti, @16

    He has. And he continues to:
    http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/05/obama_on_mccains_troop_gaffe_a.php

    Slightly OT. Is it just me and my lack of English, or has it really been one hell of a long “surge”? I’ve always thought that a surge was a beef-up of a very brief duration — say, a month or two. But here we’ve been surging and surging and surging… for well over a year. The whole effing misadventure wasn’t supposed to last that long.

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