Thar she blows!: Searching for the ‘Great Whitey Tape’

Guest Post by Morbo

Herman Melville’s Captain Ahab became obsessed with searching for a great white whale. These days, some right-wingers are obsessing over the “great whitey tape.” Ahab’s search led him to a bad end, and I suspect the right wingers’ will as well.

If you’re just joining us, the “great whitey tape” (GWT) is an alleged recording of Michelle Obama at a conference in Chicago ranting about how “whitey” has done a lot of bad things to African Americans. As the legend goes, she was standing alongside Louis Farrakhan when she said this. Or maybe his wife. Or his sister. Or maybe his third cousin twice removed from Hoboken.

Promotion of the GWT started out as the project of a small nest of Obama-hating Clinton partisans, led by Larry Johnson. They were sure it was going to surface any day and destroy Obama’s campaign. Johnson apparently had plans to unveil the tape, but then took to saying he had merely talked to people who had heard it. I first heard about it this week, but the Carpetbagger has assured me that rumors about the GWT have been circulating for months.

Now right-wingers are getting in on the act. Alleged transcripts can be found on Free Republic, and the National Review Online’s blog has fixated on the matter lately, although writer Jim Geraghty seems skeptical.

A few people claim to have heard the tape. They describe it as “explosive” or “jaw-dropping.” But no one ever seems able to lay hands on it. That’s a good sign that it doesn’t exist.

This is an age where just about everything everybody does ends up on You Tube, yet something this shocking remains in the same class as the Loch Ness Monster — lots of claimed sightings but no corpse.

Some bloggers seem to think the tape may exist but argue that Obama was saying “why’d he” (in a reference to Bush), not “whitey.” It’s an interesting argument but irrelevant as long as we have no tape.

Some advice for the kooks: Ahab’s obsession put him in a bad place; don’t go there.

Instead of praying for bigfoot to ride out of the Pacific Northwest in a UFO bearing the Michelle Obama tape, maybe you guys should engage Barack Obama on the issues. Try explaining to the American people why your guy McCain and the Republican Party have a great plan for the country. Tell us why you deserve to retain control of the White House. Defend President George W. Bush and defend his achievements. Explain why they are worth preserving and indeed continuing. Let us know why you’re better than Obama and the Democrats. Try winning an election on issues, not mud-slinging.

Or are you afraid?

Post Script: Given the evidence, the non-existent tape appears to be a work of fiction. In this case, I mean that literally — the rumors appear to have originated in a novel, published two years ago, about an African-American presidential candidate seeking the Democratic nomination. In the fictional story, the candidate’s enemies find a video of the presidential hopeful telling a radical black minister how he will “f**k whitey” if elected.

Greg Sargent and Eric Kleefeld concluded, “If this was the basis for the rumor, Obama was forced to respond not just to a rumor, but to one that was consciously based on a published work of fiction. Welcome to General Election 2008, everyone!”

As with the Rev. Wright sound bites; this too shall pass. When one listened to the whole speech by Wright it was right on. Michelle Obama’s comment about feeling proud of America for the first time in a long time was right on as well. We as a country had better get a grip…..real soon….or we’re toast as a free nation. The choices are really clear for the first time in a long, long time. Don’t blow it America; this may be your last chance.

  • Promotion of the GWT started out as the project of a small nest of Obama-hating Clinton partisans, led by Larry Johnson

    Judging by his website, I would say Johnson is far more Obama-hating than Clinton partisan.

    http://noquarterusa.net/blog/

  • You article started out fine but then you become a whore for Obama. You sound like Chris Matthews and his tingling leg.

  • As always in today’s Corporate Meedia Environment, the story becomes the story. The fact that there is a story, legitimizes inquiry into the story. “Hey, it’s out there,” they say, wittingly or unwittingly echoing Fox Mulder. “It would be irresponsible not to speculate!” etc. etc. etc.

    So actually I think the Bigfoot analogy is the better one. After all, Moby Dick actually existed.

  • Awww, Morbo, it seems you hurt the feelings of Rob. You mean mean man picking on those poor RWers who only want to bring prosperity and joy to the eelights.

  • I find this particularly sad as regards Larry Johnson, who I have regarded as a friend for the past five years, since he took the forefront of the fight over the exposure of his friend Valerie Plame. Earlier this year I realized he was going to be far more partisan over Clinton than I was over Obama (yes, such a thing is possible), and – as I did with a few other friends like that – I decided the best thing to do was to put some distance there during the campaign in the knowledge that they were as politically mature as I, and we would all come together in the end regardless of the candidate. Well, it got to the point where the best I could promise was not to vote for president (not a huge thing in California), but watching Larry and others on his side go as far over the top as they have is just really amazing. I mean, here we have a CIA analyst who has prided himself on being hard-headed with looking at evidence, who told me on more than one occasion that an analyst has to be particularly careful with intelligence that supports the analyst’s beliefs too closely since it’s likely disinformation, and here we are, watching him do this.

    Unfortunately, for me, this was the straw that broke the camel’s back with Larry. It’s not fun losing a friend as smart and witty and sharp as he is, but this is one of those “defining moments.”

  • Larry Johnson’s website Berg & Associates LLC looks like a 10 year old built it.

  • “If this was the basis for the rumor, Obama was forced to respond not just to a rumor, but to one that was consciously based on a published work of fiction.”

    Other examples of this would be the rationale for torture of detainees, based on the tv program “24;” the “fixed” intelligence leading to the Iraq war. including the forged documents about shipments of yellow cake from Niger; Sen. Inhoff’s fight against the concept of climate change/global warming based on Michael Crichton’s novel, “State of Fear,” etc.

  • It’s almost as if a higher power had designed the ultimate test for America, a country founded on the ideals of equality, liberty and justice for all:

    Your nation is gravely ill, in danger of succumbing to hubris and corruption and possibly (considering global warming) taking the rest of the planet with it. Your only possible hope of a cure is an African-American candidate for President. Can you, America, overcome your hatred and fear of those who are different and save yourselves? Or will you drown in the swamp of your own bigotry, unwilling to change your ways? The choice is yours.

  • This bogus and despicable smear does not need more oxygen. I really wish liberal bloggers would use their heads and not write detailed stories like this. Before this week, I was mercifully unaware of the smear. Yet now, it seems the only thing anyone wants to write about. Stop.

  • Well, I suppose we can now be sure that, at this very moment, this “transcript” is being pounded out on keyboards nationwide, keyboards where the caps lock key is taped down, and soon we’ll be getting the email from all our kooky McCain loving friends and relatives in gigantic all caps type. Along with that will be the story of “marijuana in the firewood” and a photo of Jesus in a cloud.

  • Rob: You article started out fine but then you become a whore for Obama

    Um, this is an explicitly Dem-oriented blog. Obama is the official candidate of that party. Being in favor of him here is “whoring”? WTF? Looking for more equal time for rightwing lies? Baffling.

    Capt Kirk: marijuana in the firewood

    ??? Haven’t heard that one. Can you share? I don’t think it would be a major sin to derail this thread…

  • … this is one of those “defining moments.” — Tom Cleaver

    Looking back over the last few months, I think this campaign has been a defining moment for us all, and how we chose to respond had much to do with much of the irrational passion that has marked the contest. Most of us were familiar with the overt forms of racisim and gender discrimination, and assumed we’d gotten past the worst of those — only to discover that we haven’t purged more subtler forms that can be every bit as damaging and every bit as hard to exorcise.

    Now, with some of these issues out in the light and in sharper focus, it’ll be interesting to see how much we as a society resist changing attitudes that obviously need to be changed, — or how much progress we’re able to make in rooting out the subtler forms of discrimination.

  • I’m actually glad that this whispering campaign is finally getting coverage it deserves. The only way to discredit these rumors is to shed light on them and the people that spread them.

  • Even if there’s no tape Michelle Obama and her big fat mouth have already donw enough to turn off millions of Americans.

    It’s one thing when you get a bunch of Obamabots in one place at the same time all fawning over Obama and his wife and chastisizing anyone who doesn’t gulp the kool aid and ask for seconds.

    It’s quite another thing to have a general election where millions of people who don’t attend Obama rallies or quote his talking points on the internet actually go out and vote.

    You guys can keeping repeating the mantra…….”yes we can,” “change we can believe in,” but come November, Obama, his loud mouthed angry wife, and all of his braindead minions are going to be in for a rude awakening.

  • There are some things a decent person cannot “get behind.” This week I l made a choice not to back the Dem presumptive nominee. I’ve been voting Dem only for over 30 years, since 1972. This year is my personal turning point and I’ve left the party. The Rev. Wright sound bytes were real and his entire address at the Press Club was real, no “bytes” there. I cannot get behind 20 years of association with that church. And then the Rev. Pflegler, sadly too real as well. I cannot trust a close friend, supporter, and diverter of state funds (over 100M) to Rev. Pflegler. And the sound of the key turning on Tony Rezko’s cell lock is real. I cannot accept the 64M excess payment on the lot next door, nor the “evolving” explanations of how much mone was conributed. Now this “rumor” of the “whitey video” can easily be debunked by the mainstream press, but so far there’s been silence. I have challenged the Chicago Sun Times and the Chicago Tribune on their blogs to check their archives and touch base with Chicago reporters. The 2004 Operation Push Convention was a major big deal with headline speakers. There was big time press coverage. The ladies lunch, with Jesse Jackson as keynoter, was held at TUCC, the church that tapes everything. There is a photo of the ladies on the luncheon panel. I’ve seen it … so have others. It is a genuine photo and nobody has disputed it. Here’s what’s happened with my challenge so far: the Sun Times and Trib remain silent. Chicago is a news town unlike any other. The Chicago papers and t.v. stations that covered that convention can put this rumor to rest instantly. They are silent. Why?

  • See? This one’s as easy as the Muslim crap. My mom heard he was a Muslim yet didn’t like his pastor who was Christian. So I say, how could he be a Muslim when he spent twenty some years at a Christian church? To which she said, Oh! I guess you’re right. Then we had to clear up the Wright issue. I say, Mom how many pastors at your very own church have been fired because of weird shit? Too many to count. One woke up one morning and beats his wife in the head with a hammer. Another got arrested for stalking co-eds at the local community college. Bullshit dismissed and another vote for Obama.

    Same with this. If Michelle said had actually said this, she’d be condemning her own husband and his family and her own kids since they all have white heritage.

    We have to lay it out and counter it immediately.

    So Mandelay: Where’s the beef? You’ve seen it. Where the hell is it?

    Bring it on, Whitey.

  • Okay, lets try and combine skepticisam and good detective work here. I am, in my own mind, convinced that the tape is probably entirely mythical — and that the explanation TPM came up with is correct — or, much less likely, if there is something like this out there, that Proletariat is right and that the context will make it understandable.

    But it is still a good idea for us to investigate this. If some similar tape does exist, we shoukd be out in front on it, because it would be a powerful weapon for the Republicans.

    At the same time, if it doesn’t exist, the rumor that it does would be, potentially, even more powerful, because it is always hard to grab smoke.

    (And there is the possibility, I’d say the likelihood, that people are already working on fake tapes of this non-event. Some undoubtedly would be as laughable as the recent alien tape, but given current editing tapes — Tom, you are the expert here, help me out — it would be possible to create a ‘forgery’ that would, at least for a couple of days, ‘pass muster.’ And once it was out there ‘the retraction never catches up with the allegation.’

    (I am going to say this. With all his manifest flaws, and flexible conscience, and pandering, I do believe that there is a certain amount of honor left in Sen. McCain — he’s not a comic book villain — and that he would not, knowingly, involve himself in a forgery like this. On the other hand, desperation can convince people to believe what they want to — see Larry Johnson, above — and were such a tape to surface, McC could very easily convince himself that it was real.)

    Now, of course we run into the cliche, ‘you can’t prove a negative.’ In fact, you can’t prove a general negative, that some event never happened nowhere no time. To use totally scurrilous rumors that I am just making up on the spot, there is no way of proving that Bill Clinton never supplmented his income by working as a ‘stand-in’ — in both senses — in porn films. Or that George W. and Laura Bush didn’t go through a second marriage ceremony presided over by Rev. Moon. Or that John McCain was forced — in Vietnam — to perform some form of sexual act with the local fauna, and a tape of this will be revealed.

    These are all made-up nonsense — and can’t be disproven as they stand. But it is possible to disprove a specific negative, one with details, because the details give us a chance to test it. If a specific date were given for the supposed ‘wedding ceremony’ and it could be shown that GWB was in the public eye that entire day, *poof* If the Clinton story involved the name of a specific film, well, there are enough women familiar with his anatomy that they could testify that he does not appear ‘in whole or in part’ in this film.

    So we can attack the Michele story on the details that have become attached to it. And there are three, as Morbo points out:
    It happened at a ‘conference’ — or at least a public gathering
    In Chicago
    In the presence of Lewis Farrakhan or a close relative of his.

    So, the first thing to do is to see if such a conference existed. Did it. Was there ever a conference in Chicago that both Michelle and Farrakhan or a relative atended. If not, that rules it out. If so, then we can do the actual legwork and find people who attended the conference and at least ask them if such an event were even possible, that there was sometime when the two of them were together, whether Michelle had expressed anything similar at the conference. If the answer is no — as it almost certainly would be –, again, we’ve disproven the stroy rather than merely cast doubt on it.

    If there were still a possibilty, then we’d need more ‘legwork’ but again we could disprove it.

    Is doing this giving this nonsense too much credence? I don’t think so, if only because of the potential danger of a forgery. The explanation never catchesa up to the allegation — unless it has a head start.

  • @ 21. On June 7th, 2008 at 11:55 am, Mandelay
    The Chicago papers and t.v. stations that covered that convention can put this rumor to rest instantly. They are silent. Why?

    Most logically the tapes have not surfaced because they don’t exist. Put 2 seconds thought in & you may agree.

    Re: the other points: Rezko, Wright, all I have to say about that is, so what.
    Every politician necessarily rubs elbows with shady characters. Whether or not OB’s connection with Rezko amounts to anything more that a fart in the wind is what matters. I can assure you that McBush has had extensive dealings with many a crooked, convicted and imprisoned Felon.

    As far as Wright is concerned, anyone who believes is any religion hangs with intellectual asshats. In the US, all candidates for office must necessarily address asshats to secure votes.

    ….if you want to open your mind, first you gotta shut your mouth.

  • “This bogus and despicable smear does not need more oxygen. I really wish liberal bloggers would use their heads and not write detailed stories like this. Before this week, I was mercifully unaware of the smear. Yet now, it seems the only thing anyone wants to write about. Stop.”

    That’s how the democratic party has been operating for at least 20 years now. Ignore the smearing and lies, in order to “not validate them” or something. Rise above them and set a better example. You might notice that it hasn’t worked; we spent that entire 20 years losing.

    Because, you see, if we ignore the lies and let them stay under the radar, they undermine us. People receive them by email or while chatting with friends at work, and they fester and then we lose the election. That’s what killed Kerry’s campaign in 2004, and Gore’s in 2000, just to name the two most prominent ones.

    So no, sorry. We *have* to address nonsense like this. We have to shine light on it and show the ugliness that the GOP is playing with. That’s the only way to debunk it and to win against the people who would sink this low.

  • I have seen the photo taken at the Ladies Luncheon … it’s been posted in a number places, MissMudd. I have not seen a DVD or heard a tape of this luncheon, ever. I also would like this to be put to rest. Surely the Chicago Press Corps had reporters covering these events — why is there silence? It would be very easy for an eyewittness to just come forward and say, I was there, and these things were/were not said. Here’s the link (below) to the photo along with the caption describing who’s who. Don’t twist my words again, sweetie. You live up to your name.
    The photo link:
    http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t254/pointecoupeedemocrat/WEB-RED-Barrow-et-al.jpg
    Did the conference exist? Are you kidding or just posting more disinformation? Here’s the press release from PUSH and the agenda:
    Annual Rainbow/PUSH Conference

    John Kerry, Bill Cosby, Howard Dean, Barack Obama Highlight Annual Rainbow/PUSH Conference

    CHICAGO-Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry, entertainer/educator Bill Cosby; former presidential candidate and Vermont Governor Howard Dean; Chicago Stock Exchange Chairman Valerie Jarrett; Harvard Law School professor Charles Ogletree; Democratic senatorial candidate Barack Obama and Starbucks Chairman and Chief Global Strategist Howard Schultz are among the dozens of newsmakers scheduled to attend the 33rd Annual Rainbow/PUSH Coalition and Citizenship Education Fund Conference, to be held June 26 – July 1, 2004, at the Sheraton Chicago Hotel & Towers.

    This year’s conference, 2004: A Year of Critical Choices For Inclusion and Growth, has extra significance as this presidential election year marks the 20th anniversary of Rev. Jesse L. Jackson, Sr.’s historic run for the presidency of the United States. His 1984 campaign was the first serious bid by an African-American for the nation’s highest office.

    In celebration of this anniversary, the Rainbow/PUSH Coalition hosts a day of festivities on Saturday, June 26, known as Reunion Day. The event, which will be held at the Rainbow/PUSH Coalition headquarters at 930 E. 50th St., Chicago, will bring together the many politicians, political organizers, campaign workers, ministers, educators, students, factory workers, journalists, Midwestern farmers, Appalachian coal miners and other supporters who worked on the 1984 and 1988 campaigns.

    “On this day, we will reach back as far as we can go,” Rev. Jackson said as he and Rainbow/PUSH Coalition officials look forward to seeing some of the old warriors, whom he describes as the “roots” of the movement. “Most of today’s young politicians don’t know these people. Many of them who started with us are aging and they are not here, but their children and their political offspring are active. One reason Jesse Jr. won his congressional seat is because his opponents did not know how deep people’s gratitude was for our work. “All of these people, and their children and even their children’s children, voted for him.”

    “For all of us,” Rev. Jackson added, “Reunion Day is about tapping the strength of our roots, about looking deep and wide to know who we are. This event is one way of keeping our roots watered.” Many of the elected officials and people gathering for Reunion Day will remain in Chicago on Sunday, June 27, for the convention’s Leadership Summit Day. Guests scheduled to attend the summit include former presidential candidate and Vermont governor Howard Dean, Senator John Edwards (D-N.C.) Florida Congresswoman Corrine Brown; Congressman Jesse Jackson, Jr., Democratic senatorial candidate Barack Obama, and many current and former lawmakers at state and federal levels.

    The presumptive Democratic Presidential candidate John Kerry is scheduled to address the conference on Tuesday, June 29th, when a large delegation from the labor movement will be in attendance. “We want a town hall meeting with Kerry,” Rev. Jackson said, noting that the gathering of elected officials, potential campaign workers, labor organizers, ministers and educators from throughout the nation offers an opportunity for Kerry to connect with a significant part of his base.

    “These leaders have not yet met together to seriously discuss the countdown to November,” Rev. Jackson said. “We know that we will focus on counting the votes. So many votes were stolen in the last election that it is imperative we keep our eyes on the prize — and this time, the prize is every single voter, every single ballot.”

    He added, “You know, the White House is public housing – and we plan to remove George W. Bush from the public housing rolls in November. This leadership summit is an opportunity for those of us who are committed to that goal to come together, to share our resources and strengths, with the clear goal of reaching a better understanding of how we will go about sending George W. Bush back to Texas.”

    Though some African-Americans and Latinos are not “fired up” about Kerry, Rev. Jackson said, “he is the best we have to work with.” “We want Kerry to win probably more than he himself wants to win,” Rev. Jackson said. “And he must recognize that it’s possible for him to win and not win, because he is not addressing our real need. Many African-Americans do not feel connected to him.”

    After four days of specialized meetings and events, the conference concludes on Thursday, July 1, with a stellar lineup of participants, including Bill Cosby, Charles Ogletree and celebrity judge Greg Mathis, who will discuss critical issues in education. Cosby, who holds a doctorate in education, recently has drawn media attention for his comments criticizing those who value consumerism over education, and encouraging parents and students to take responsibility for their education. Seen as overly harsh by some, Cosby’s remarks in fact reflect widespread sentiment in the African-American community, Rev. Jackson said.

    “Our people agree with Bill,” Rev. Jackson said. “Bill took it to another level. His point was to lift up and not tear down. We’re planning a session during the conference that will be addressing why poor people can’t have poor habits. Poor people must have rich habits to get out of poverty.”

    Throughout the conference, a pledge drive will ask parents in attendance to sign a seven-point pledge whose promises include taking the child to school, meeting with teachers to assess the child’s progress, and coming to school to pick up the child’s report card.

    Parents’ awareness of these issues and the importance of attendance are crucial to improving truancy and graduation rates at Chicago Public Schools, Rev. Jackson said. Currently the system fails to collect more than $130 million annually in funds that are available when daily attendance rates are better, he explained. “If we become the owner of parent power, we can turn these schools around,” Rev. Jackson said. “It’s like putting the lights back on.”

    Other highlights during the conference:
    Saturday, June 26
    Reunion Day
    Old warriors of the movement return to Dr. King’s Workshop at the Rainbow/PUSH Coalition’s headquarters, where Rev. Jackson talks about the past and the future.

    Hip Hop workshops: Spoken Word Slam, Graffiti Art and Break Dancing competition and demonstration.

    Sunday, June 27
    Focus: Leadership Summit
    African Diaspora Forum, “Reconnecting, Collaborating, Empowerment, and the Way Forward” 2:30 p.m.- 4:00 p.m. Black leaders from Africa, South America, Europe and North America will be participating.

    Concert and Awards Ceremony featuring Cook, Dixon & Young (formerly known as Three Mo’ Tenors) at Lyric Opera House, 20 N. Wacker Dr.: 7:00 p.m.– 10:00 p.m. The organization honors Barack Obama and black generals in the military.

    Monday, June 28
    Focus: The Church and the Marketplace
    8:00 a.m. – 10:00 a.m.
    Sessions on finance, health, issues in the religious community and related topics will be held throughout the day. Rev. Major Jemison, president of the Progressive National Baptist Convention, gives the keynote address. Rev. Stephen J. Thurston, president of the National Baptist Convention of America, presides.

    Women’s Luncheon, with keynote speech by Rev. Jackson:
    12:00 p.m.-2:00 p.m.

    Gospel Explosion and Awards Concert
    7:00 p.m.- 10:p.m.
    featuring Darius Brooks, Vicky Winans, Darryl Cooley and the Rainbow/PUSH Mass Choir:

    Tuesday, June 29
    Focus: Labor and Sports
    Sessions on organized labor issues, labor aspects of athletics and sports, and related topics will be held throughout the day; see daily schedules for specific events and participants. International Labor Breakfast:
    7:30 a.m. to 9:30 a.m.

    “The Wal-Mart Factor: Dumbing Down the American Economy”
    10:00 a.m. – 11:30 a.m.

    Sports Luncheon
    12 noon – 2 p.m.
    Motor Sports and the NCAA – George Payne, vice president of marketing for NASCAR, is the keynote speaker.

    Employment Exposition job fair
    4:00 p.m. –7:00 p.m.

    Wednesday, June 30
    Focus: Business
    Sessions on franchising, venture capital funding, other business opportunities, and related topics will be held throughout the day. Howard Schultz, chairman and chief global strategist of Starbucks, is the keynote speaker.

    Access to Capital Luncheon
    12 noon -2 p.m.
    Valerie Jarrett, chairman of the Chicago Stock Exchange, James Bell, executive vice president and CFO of Boeing, and Attorney Martin King, chairman of the Rainbow/PUSH Coalition Board, are some of the speakers.

    Town Hall Meeting – To Be Counted – In this session, participants debate the People Meters versus the Diary System when counting people for the Television Arbitron Ratings.

    Thursday, July 1
    Focus: Education
    Sessions on issues in education for educators, parents and youth will be held throughout the day; see daily schedules for specific events and participants.

    Hip-Hop and youth panels throughout the conference Oratorical competition, DJ demonstrations and competitions, voter registration drive and workshops such as The Criminalization of the Hip Hop Generation, The Political Maturation of the Hip Hop Generation, Inspirational Hip Hop and The Business of Hip Hop.

    For the complete conference schedule and press credentials, contact the Rainbow/PUSH Coalition’s media office at 773-256-2714 or 773-256-2718.

  • I don’t know wether or not the tape exists.

    However if a tape of an angry ranting Michelle Obama using the word “whitey” does exist and is released between now and November it will ensure that John Mccain wins the presidency.

    There can be no doubt about it.

  • MissMudd said:
    Dale dammit! My keyboard just can’t take more coffee spits.

    🙂 This is how we strange folk recognize each other. Like a secret handshake.

  • Parker said:
    However if a tape of an angry ranting Michelle Obama using the word “whitey” does exist and is released between now and November it will ensure that John Mccain wins the presidency.

    There can be no doubt about it.

    I suspect that you wish. This is typical attitude. The Republicans throw rascist comments around like monkeys in a dung fight without accountability and a Democrat says one thing and it’s the end of world.

  • 20.On June 7th, 2008 at 11:53 am, Steve said:
    Even if there’s no tape Michelle Obama and her big fat mouth have already donw enough to turn off millions of Americans.

    We already found those millions of “Americans.” They were the idiots in West Virginia who “aren’t comfortable” with a “Muslim” being President right? The same ones who have ALWAYS voted Democratic when it was a white guy running but have promised to vote for McCain now that Obama is running.

    Yeah, we know about those “Americans”.

  • I’m sure Jesse Jackson can explain it all. He was the keynoter at that luncheon. Those are facts. Should be easy to put this baby to bed one way or the other.

  • I don’t know: I live in a big city and rub elbows with big-city folks every day, and Michelle O. has alienated me. It’s not an issue of race: it’s what post-structuralists call “tribalism.” Once a group insists on their ethnicity as a vehicle towards social power, it excites the ethnicity of others. Like many Democrats, I was disheartened when Rep. J Clyburn (SC) explained that African-American Democrats would, essentially, feel betrayed if Obama did not become the nominee. The strong implication was that without Obama, African-Americans would stay home; and without their votes, the Democrat party would be hamstrung. As a non-African-American, it left me feeling that my party had taken a strange, unforeseen turn; somehow, I associate this more with Micelle than with her husband.

    As well, she has the worst qualities of a my-kids-first suburban mom: the family jingoism, the aggressive restatement of her needs and right as a mother, so much so it functions as another tribalsim. (Asked by I think the MSNBC interview about Rev. Wright, her response was, “What does that do for my kids?” ) Lastly, I’ve watched her C-Span speeches. They have a sweat-box, boiler room feel, Huey Long with big heavy steel roadsters parked outside: “Only my husband can,” and “there is just one man who…” Sometimes she sounds like some 2nd or 3rd ranking party member introducing a commisar, and sometimes she sounds like Weyland Smithers. But that sound — of unity around a single, commanding figure — is new to the Democratic Party, and unwelcome. It’s absence is always what made us better than the Republicans. That desire to be riled, stirred and led. I imagine the experience is new to lots of Democrats, and they’re deep in the sensual grip of it. It doesn’t make them or the party stronger. And you finally have to ask, “What does it do for my kids?”

  • Ah, And once again the wingers are in the business of “prove a negative” challenges. I doubt that it’ll work. The voting public has had recent experience with this. To wit: “Can you PROVE that there are NO WMD in Iraq? NO? then we must invade!”

    Hmm, and what did the basis for that turn out to be? Oh, yes, lies.

    And then there was LaMalkin’s famous “can you prove [Kerry] didn’t deliberately injur himself to receive a purple heart?”

    Our immune system for this BS has been recently strengthened by exposure.

    She’s the candidate’s wife, not the candidate. Attacks on a candidate’s family are about as low as it comes. As Obama has reminded us, we knew that these types of attacks would come. He is prepared to stand up to them and weather them. The least we can do is show the same courage.

    The Obama’s are evidently a loving and wholesome family. People react to attacks on loving wholesome families rather negatively. This rumor will generate more sympathy for the Obamas. The man is selling hope and the people are ready to buy. I sense the market for cynical tripe is in the basement this election cycle.

  • Meanwhile, over at NQ….
    The recording that shows Michelle Obama saying disparaging things about white folks is for real. It is not part of some elaborate dirty trick. The people who have seen her comments describe it as “stunning” or “devastating.” I have not spoken directly with the people who have seen the tape, but I have spoken to two of my friends who are friends with those who watched the tape/dvd.

    /-|

  • Johnson apparently had plans to unveil the tape, but then took to saying he had merely talked to people who had heard it.

    the rumors appear to have originated in a novel

    ‘Apparently’? ‘Appear’? Yes, those might be just rational qualifiers if there were some doubt about what you proceed to say. But to say ‘apparently had plans’ and ‘then took to saying’ is simply false and misleading, and easily determined so by reading Johnson’s 3 or 4 posts about this, and seeing clearly that he never said he had the tape nor did he ever say anything about him unveiling it. That’s simple to determine, folks. Then when people attack him for things he didn’t do, makes you wonder about the attackers.

    ‘Appears’ to be from a novel? Well, that appears to be a huge leap to a conclusion, and suffers from that which it charges: no basis.

    It always makes me wonder when folks protest too much, or defend too loudly, or move on too fast.

  • thanks for the help Mandalay.

    1) you said that Michelle was allegedly there with Rev. Farrakan when she allegedly made the whitey remarks.

    2) you posted the entire PUSH convention agenda/write-up – not a single mention of Farrakan.

    3) anyone who knows jack knows that Louis F doesn’t do things quietly – if he was there, he was speaking, or found a way into the program, or at least to a reporter.

    Ergo, you disprove your own rumor because of the failure of one of your foundational elements: smearing Michelle by association with Farrakan.

    check and mate.

    is it going to be this easy all the way through November?

  • Mr E Watson (Re #44)

    Yes

    A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on.
    Winston Churchill

    Republicans are liars. Don’t get used to it, don’t get over it, fight the bastards!

  • Republicans are afraid to have a man of color leading America. This will happen and we must address reparations for all afro-americans. Only then can we as a nation move forward.

  • 44. On June 7th, 2008 at 10:39 pm, elementary, Watson said:
    thanks for the help Mandalay.

    1) you said that Michelle was allegedly there with Rev. Farrakan when she allegedly made the whitey remarks.

    Unless Rev. Farakkhan is a woman, I don’t think he was at the women’s luncheon with keynote speaker Jesse Jackson. I had heard you bots can’t read but this is so funny.

  • Whitey DID do lots of bad stuff to the black people.

    That’s why I and so many of my fellow crackers are planning to apologize for our race this November by handing the country over to one of “them”.

    Mmmmmmmmmmm. Can’t you just SMELL those reparations?

    (Serious talk on right wing blogs about Obama planning reparations when he becomes president begins in 5…4…3…)

  • The tape probably does exist – but it is probably not as vicious as some are implying. However, Michelle’s inferiority complex has caused her to appear to be very racist.
    And due to being brain-washed by the insane Jeremiah Wright and his hate for Whites and America, it escalated. I believe after getting out from under this group, she has become more knowledgeable.
    People like Wright, even though insane, can deceive the intelligent.
    Hitler and Jim Jones are prime examples.

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