Clinton suspends campaign, urges backers to work ‘as hard for Barack Obama as you have for me’

Yes, it was a good speech. Thanks, Hillary.

I must have had the wrong channel on. All I heard was, “me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, women are victims, me, me, me, me, me, so are African Americans, but not as much as women, me, me, me, me, me, me, don’t cry for me, me, me, me, Argentina.”

Hilary is Awsome!

In Support of The Joint Ticket:

1) Clinton has consistently polled as strong and stronger as Obama against McCain.

2) Clinton has a strong track record of endorsements from Organized Labor.

3) Over 30 Retired Generals endorsed Clinton’s Plan to withdraw from Iraq.

4) No one more so than Clinton has weathered the deluge of insults hurled by the media. Clinton will prove a powerful force against the inevitable onslaught of slander lurking just over the horizon.

5) No other individual on “the short list” has the juggernaut of 18 million supporters ready to hit the campaign trail!

With Sen. Clinton’s conceding, victory for the Democratic Party in November is a pipedream. “Unity” to win the election is a hopeless cause. Obama did not get the nomination fair and square. De facto Obama supporter House Speaker Nancy Pelosi rigged the nomination for Obama.

Sen. Clinton was the only winning choice; she was the best qualified and the strongest candidate to defeat John McCain and win the general election in a landslide victory hands down. A crushing defeat awaits a corrupt Democratic Party in November.

It was a good — but not great — speech. Danp is right about there being ‘too much me’ in it, but there was a strong statement in suooprt of Obama. I found three things missing that I would have liked to have seen.

First, an unequivocal ‘if you believe in the principles we have fought for, you will be betraying every one of them if you vote for McCain.’

Second, an apology to Obama. “We say things in the middle of a campaign we later regret. I knew, when I said it that Obama brought far more to the table than ‘just a speech’ – though even then I didn’t realize how MUCH more he brought. I regret saying it, condemn the Republican party for using that speech, and demand that they cease doing it.”

Third, an explicit — rather than implicit — attack on McCain, spelling out how his statements violate ‘what we fought for.’

Yes, it could have been much better, but it could have been much worse. Let’s thank her for the good statements and then leave her behind and get on to electing Obama, 65 Senators, and 300 plus Representatives.

I rushed home from class to see this. Fine work, Senator Clinton. Appropriate expressions of celebration for what her campaign achieved and what it means for women candidates in the future; emphasis on why we need to come together for Democratic principles; multiple unqualified expressions of support for the nominee delivered without a hint of bitterness or self-pity.

I had forgotten she had this in her. I’m glad to see it resurge at the end–she did wonderfully.

“You don’t get it do you? blah blah blah…”

Interesting that you automatically assumed I was referring to you, since I didn’t name anyone. But if you want to include yourself on my list, feel free.

This the first time in my adult life, that I was actually proud of Hillary. 😉
Yes the speech had a touch of narcissism, but its core was about unity, and they threat of putting another Republican in office.

I guess I have to change my screen name now, because it is on to the General Election.

A nice speech and very appropriate.

Shorter Hillary Clinton (complete with echo and with apologies to Lou Gehrig):

“Today (today, today, today…)

I consider myself (‘sider myself…’sider myself…)

The Democratic nominee (nominee…nominee…)

That you assholes should have nominated! (should have nominated…should have nominated…)

Oh, and let’s work hard for what’s his name.”

8.
On June 7th, 2008 at 1:43 pm, crat3 said:

With Sen. Clinton’s conceding, victory for the Democratic Party in November is a pipedream.
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Coincidental you mention pipes, as I was going to ask WTF you’re smoking.

Obama has a campaign’s worth of admirable behavior. Hillary has a speech she made in 2008.

I’d give the speech it a “B+” but what matters is how the media runs it in the coming days. If what they wanted to see was an endorsement, somebody is going to count how many times she said ‘elect Barak Obama’ and it’ll be a success.

Personally, I thought that having making a good case for supporting Obama, she fell into a sink hole with that long section about running as a woman. The point needed to be made, but not at that point in the speech — and going on at length made it look like she still attributes her loss to that. And, as noted above, she should have addressed directly the disaster that McCain and another Republican administration represents, saying unequivocally that anything but a vote for Obama is not an option for anyone who supported her.

Then again, there’s time for all that… it’s a long campaign and I’m sure she’ll have the podium at the convention.

As for the trolls, the old issues that have been discussed ad nauseum over the course of the primary are now history, and it’s time to move on. After today, I think it’s fair to say you’re either with a unifying Democratic party or you’re with McCain.

As for the trolls, the old issues that have been discussed ad nauseum over the course of the primary are now history, and it’s time to move on. After today, I think it’s fair to say you’re either with a unifying Democratic party or you’re with McCain.

I would also suggest that goes for the handful of Obamaists who can’t seem to complete a post without Clinton-bashing. It has always been counterproductive (and antithetical to Obama’s own approach); now it officially qualifies as dead-horse beating.

Both sides need to leave the intra-party contest behind in all respects (or, more to the point of the problem, disrespects) and focus all of the fire from both prior camps on Grandpa Simpson.

I would also suggest that goes for the handful of Obamaists who can’t seem to complete a post without Clinton-bashing. — kumbaya

Yep.

Props to Senator Clinton for the speech, but at some point she is going to have to tackle the can of worms she opened by saying McCain had passed the commander in chief test. The Democrats can’t even think of putting her on the ticket until she addresses that.

Something along the lines of:

“I’ve known Senator McCain for years and have always regarded him as honest, dedicated, and patriotic. I’m not seeing those qualities in his campaign and I’m not sure what’s wrong. As Senator Chuck Hagel said earlier this year, the John McCain who is running for president is not the John McCain I know. I don’t think I’d be able to say the same things now that I said a few months ago.”

I’m not a woman. I’m not a racist. I’m not voting for Obama though I have voted for every Democrat since Kennedy in 1960. Obama may be a liberal but he is not a Democrat and the country can better stand 4 years of McCain than 8 of Obama.

Tim may not be a woman or a racist, but he sounds amazingly like a Republican troll.

Speaking of which, I believe a great deal of the people who say they voted for Hillary and would NEVER vote for Obama are Republican trolls. Anecdotally, most Obama supporters who have pro-Hillary friends have recounted that their friends will vote for Obama. Polls showed that Obama was winning Democrats over Hillary quite handily in the past few weeks. He wins over McCain in most national polls.

So yeah, I think most of these people are trying to start some static.

Nice. I expected a lot out of her today and I think she really exceeded my expectations. Most of us know that the hardest thing to do in even simple interpersonal relationships is put the ugly back in the bottle. Things that are said are very difficult to unsay. Obviously this is an even more difficult situation when you are talking about a public feud that involves millions of voters. Nothing she said or did, and indeed nothing Obama could say or do, was ever going to rein in the Hillaryis44 or No Quarter crowd but she very effectively marginalized their sort of rhetoric with this speech. Everyone else will see reason soon enough and that will be more than enough to hammer McCain in the months ahead.

but I would respect her so much more if she had addressed her campaign’s lack of planning for post-Super Tuesday, or financial mismanagement, or peoples’ concerns about the dynastization of American politics, or even the fundamental problem of running against the war after voting for it. Those are far more substantive issues that she could have acknowledged and learned from. Instead it’s this whiny “I guess America’s not ready for a woman” nonsense.

a) I have read the transcript, and we must be reviewing different speeches. I didn’t read that to say that she lost because she is a woman, nor did it strike me as whiny. Anyone who thinks there was not (inevitably in my opinion) identity politics element to both the Clinton and Obama campaigns is simply not in reality. Indeed, it is that identity-group core that seems most reluctant to move on, and it is that group she most needs to hold the attention of long enough to gently push them to Obama. I see nothing wrong with her discussing what this race meant to women.

b) Why, in a speech meant to thank supporters, to concede gracefully, and to praise Obama, should she have wallowed in a critical post mortem of her own candidacy? Has anyone ever heard any other candidate do that? Then why is it expected of Hillary? When Kucinich dropped out, did he analyze whether it had to do with being the shortest guy on stage, or being a vegan in a race that starts in a full-blown meat and potatoes place like Iowa? Did Edwards give a mea culpa and say in hindsight he never should have gotten a $400 haircut?

Clinton spend a large section of her speech going through, one by one, a litany of critical issues for the country, noting the need for progress on each, and saying “that is why it is important that we work to elect Barak Obama President.” She praised his vision, his energy, his ability to inspire, and acknowledged the millions of people he had brought to the process. And still I see people here claiming her speech was all “me me me.” Were you all waiting for ritual hiri-kiri on live television? for chrissakes what can this woman ever do to make some of you happy?

get a life already.

Its amazing how much more photogenic Hillary has become at Huffpo recently. Is it propaganda to use the worst photos of your opponent all the time? Unfortunately. it works, but is it ethical?

@40: Well, you come across as more or less sane and reasonable, for the first 1000 words or so at least.

a) She said that she couldn’t break through the final glass ceiling, though she and her supporters “put about 18 million cracks in it.” The “glass ceiling” is a metaphor for a barrier, typically to women, which exists but which is not acknowledged (invisible, therefore glass). By invoking the glass ceiling and saying that she didn’t get past it, she is saying that her gender prevented her from winning the contest. Did you read that part of the speech?

b) Do you really want nothing more from Hillary than what every other politician has ever done? Are you seriously saying that a good reason not to do something is because John Edwards didn’t? I was merely saying that she had an opportunity to distance herself from the “I lost because I am a woman” meme, which is tired, dishonest, and divisive, and to do so by acknowledging shortcomings in her campaign. It would have put the gender issue to rest. Heck, if you’re dead set on the Bushian “never admit mistakes” approach, she could have done it with praise for Obama — “I think a lot of you know that, when this started, I was the frontrunner. Well, let me tell you, Obama and his campaign organization…”

Be gentle with me. It’s rough not having a life. If I had known that was the price I’d pay for disagreeing with you in the analysis of a speech, I would have sucked up and echoed your obviously superior thoughts (er, wait, I’m not seeing a whole lot of thought there… what *do* you think, other than that I’m wrong and have no life?)

Let’s have another contest: who are “crat3” and “Screamin’ Demon,” really, and who are they working for and for how much?

For “crat3” :

A Wal Mart clerk in St. Louis, Missouri; the DLC; chips and beer.

For “Screamin’ Demon”:

A shooting range janitor in Big Nugget, Alaska; Bill Clinton; all the cheetos he can eat in 24 hours.

Unless she does something to prove me hopelessly naive, I am going to take Senator Clinton at her word that she will work her heart out to get Obama elected. I do not want her on the ticket, because she is and always will be a “two-fer” with Bill. He was, for me, her biggest liability as a candidate for President. I do not believe he is capable of leaving the limelight to others. This reality is even less appealing in a running mate for Obama. There is much Senator Clinton can still accomplish to advance the causes of women and those who need her help who are not women. The time has come to put McCain in the rhetorical cross-hairs and expose him for the very weak candidate that he is. The disappointment of losing the Whitehouse in ’04 was very great, but it would pale in comparison to losing this time around. It is time to focus our powers of criticism on John Sidney McCain – the putative standard-bearer for the Bush “legacy.”

Side stitches @ Jimwa.… although to be fair, replace “beer” with “budlight.”

TuiMel: I do not believe he [Bill] is capable of leaving the limelight to others.

How true…

Excuse me from extracting just that single sentence from your wonderful post.
But that declarative really nibs away at the nub of the hub.

He is an egomaniac on steroids and viagra…
He is an obnoxious immoral son-of-a-bitch.
He used her to get to the Presidency…
He tried to use her again to get to the Presidency…
He would use Obama to get to the Presidency…

He is Big Dog.
The most perfectly wrought “term of endearment” in the history of politics.

The sound you hear are some Obama fans’ heads exploding.

The problem with your entire statement, Tom in Ma, is that the sort of generalized criticism you raise can be applied to all groups, supporting any cause at any time. You say “Obama fans think X” because you may be able to cite a few Obama fans that are having trouble letting go of their anger towards Clinton; however, based upon most of the comments here, that opinion is clearly in the minority. You have to deliberately cherry pick particular comments in order to maintain your sloppy thesis about what the incredibly diverse group of “Obama fans” feel and think.

This is an easy and incredibly stupid game. If any of us, including you, wanted to we could spend all day reprinting some of the most ridiculous and hateful garbage on the internet all posted by people who purport to be Hillary Clinton fans. I myself as a black person have had horrible racial epithets casually tossed my way because I support Obama. It has been pretty disheartening. But I have not, as a result, decided to toss around the kind of small minded scattershot generalizations about Clinton supporters that you do in your comment about Obama supporters. I have not done so because, in my opinion, it is both intellectually lazy and dishonest. You are obviously of a different opinion.

In her speech today, Hillary Clinton said: “…we saw millions of…mothers and fathers lifting their little girls and their little boys onto their shoulders and whispering, ‘See, you can be anything you want to be.’”

Is it me, or did anybody else find this fiction to be self-aggrandizing? — Barb, @37

Depends of how you interpret “we”. “We” as in “me and my campaign” or “we” as in “me and Barack”. Because both candidacies were barrier-breaking and both will leave behind the lesson to the children that all kinds of things are possible if we try.

I’ve heard of one (white) mother doing that with her daughter (for Hillary), one (black) father doing that with his son (for Barack) and one (black) father doing that with his daughter (for Barack. But the daughter was only two years old. Hopefully, by th time she’s old enough to vote, neither a black nor a woman will sound “peculiar” in the top position).

So yeah… She extrapolated. Stretched the numbers a tad. She’s used to big numbers (maybe *too* impressed with them; I always thought that was what killed her campaign in the long run — discounting all those penny-ante states). But the overall truth of the matter stands: this had been a primary run like never before.

RE DAMP @ 4
” All I heard was, “me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, women are victims, me, me, me, me, me, so are African Americans, but not as much as women, me, me, me, me, me, me, don’t cry for me, me, me, me, Argentina.”

We could agree to disagree but my impression was more like:

“Hey, guys, thanks for working so hard, but Let’s Support Obama…
I would’ve liked to win, but Let’s Support Obama…
It sucks to lose, but Let’s Support Obama…
Civil Rights
Health Care
Female Astronauts
and hey, Let’s Support Obama…”

I missed the Argentina part.

RE ROTFLMLiberalAO:

“Go get ‘em Everett!
Go get ‘em Mary!
Go get ‘em Greg!
Go get ‘em Manny in Miami!

You are on our side now…”

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Well, honestly, I’m getting there, with these caveats –

1) I want to observe how Obama chooses a running mate. You all know who I want to pick, but as some have pointed out, “It’s not about me.” The short list includes Biden, Clark, Clinton, Dodd, Hagel, Kaine, Nunn, Rendell, Richardson, Sebelius, Stricklandand Webb. All have pluses and minuses. To me, this will reveal tomes about how an O-Presidency will look.

2) I want to learn more specifics about his economic policy. I’ve read his platform and it sounds good. Just want to learn more.

3) I want to learn more specifics about his environmental policy. Specifically, I would be interested to see how his interpretation of the ESA, CAA and CWA relate to management of NFS and BLM land in the Pacific NW.

4) Most specifically, I want a better defined position on how he intends to amend NCLB, He claims “the goals were the right ones” but the problem was “funding” and too much time spent preparing for the tests. We need to change NCLB, yes I get it. A lot of folks are saying that, but I’d like to see what that all means when the rubber hits the roads.

And to Brent @ 52: “But I have not, as a result, decided to toss around the kind of small minded scattershot generalizations about Clinton supporters that you do in your comment about Obama supporters.”

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I would agree with you. As I have posted before, I have found your posts to be some of the most intelligent, intellectual things on this board.

Look forward to more.

Everett

I think the VP spot is the least important appointment that Obama can make, at least for its impact on how his administration governs, unless he intends that person to play an active role in the issues. It is, of course, a big bonus to someone who might be interested in running for president in 8 years. And I guess the VP slot is important for winning votes in the GE. It must certainly be a difficult decision. He may or may not choose a “Washington insider”, depending on what role he assigns to that person. But for sure, he’ll need someone who supports his governing philosophy.

It’ll be interesting to see what he does.

Even though I’ve supported Obama since Richardson dropped out, I do hope what Hillary was bargaining for in their private meeting wasn’t VP. I hope she was tryng to get Obama to adopt her health care plan. And I further hope today’s speech is a sign she won that point.

How do you expect Clinton to encourage her die-hard supporters to vote for Obama without talking explicitly about what this campaign has meant to women? That is one of the biggest sticking points — that a less qualified man was selected over a more qualified woman. Clinton must deal with that issue. Whether it is enough to merely crack the glass ceiling is a question many women are asking themselves. We aren’t crazy — just very discouraged about the state of this country.

Some of us believe that entrenched male power is the enemy, not the Republicans because both the Republican and Democratic party will be represented by male candidates again — despite the opportunity to select a talented and well-qualified female candidate. You have to realize that the Republicans may not look like the enemy in this situation — both parties are equally to blame, but the Democrats more so because they had the chance to do it differently and blew it, and because they talk about equality of opportunity for women but don’t walk the walk. Republicans at least are less hypocritical on this issue.

I won’t vote for McCain, but I certainly understand why other women are saying they will. I also believe that Obama, and you, are underestimating the degree of anger this issue evokes. If you continue to abuse the women who are upset about this, you will most certainly push them out of the party and hurt Obama’s chances. Obama, and you, need to be much smarter about this. I am curious about whether he will rise to this challenge — personally, I don’t see it happening, since I sincerely believe he is misogynistic, and conflicted about his mother to boot. But I’m willing to be impressed, if it happens differently. Here is an opportunity — let’s see what he does with it. I already know what you’ll do with it.

Hasving read the transcript of her speech today, I don’t think it was written by a Clinton speechwriter. I think it was written – at least in draft form – by the Obama campaign and he gave it to her Thursday night and said “make it your own, but this is what you say.”

The reason I say that is because it has the tone of the Obama campaign in it. Yes, it does highlight the good things about Hillary, but I suspect the Obama people know those things better than the Clinton campaign did. There’s no way some bitter Clintonista could have turned their brain around fast enough to have done that.

I don’t put her down for it. I think she read the draft and realized it did point out the things she had gotten into public life for.

But that was an Obama campaign speech, not a Clinton campaign speech. And it’s why we’ll win.

Mary, you were conspicuously missing from this thread. Allow me to share with you what Steve wrote:

David Greenberg, the president and CEO of Planned Parenthood in Oregon, had an especially good item this week on the subject.

John McCain is one of only a few Senators to earn a Zero percent lifetime rating from Planned Parenthood’s Action Fund, and he only scored that high because the organization doesn’t have a lower rating…. Let’s look at his record:

He voted against requiring health care plans to cover birth control (3/22/03).

He voted against comprehensive, medically accurate sex education (7/25/06).

He voted against international family planning funding (3/14/96).

He voted against funding to prevent teen and unintended pregnancies (3/17/05).

He voted against public education for emergency contraception (3/17/05).

And he voted against restoring Medicaid funding that could be used for family planning for low-income women (3/17/05).

NPR reported (2/2/08) that, “Many Republican voters seem to believe, incorrectly, that the current Republican front-runner, Arizona Senator John McCain, supports abortion rights.”

John McCain wants us to believe that he’s a moderate who supports improving the health of women in the United States, but in fact he’s among the most extreme members of Congress who voted against common sense measures on family planning, sex education and access to basic healthcare.

In contrast, Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton agree on all of these issues.

You may want to share that with the women you know who think McCain would be All That.

And then this comment:

McCain and the Repubs obviously don’t support equal pay for women. The LucyLilly Ledbetter case proved that. McCain’s response was an empty slogan “Women need education and training” ignoring the fact that she had the “education and training” yet was being paid less than men who were hired after her. When the Senate tried to amend the offending Act the Repubs blocked it and Bush said he would have vetoed it anyway. The fact that Goodyear cheated Lucy out of thousands of dollars in compensation and violated Federal Law all those years was ignored by the Conservatives on the Court and the Repubs in Congress. Apparently Conservative ethics hold that it’s OK to cheat someone as long as they don’t know they are being cheated. And suing to get money owed to you is a “frivolous” law suit. These are the ethics of thieves and swindlers and there are at least five of them on SCOTUS.

If you actually do care about women’s issues, it would be wise to consider all these things. Each matters to me, as a woman.

I suppose I should post this one, too.

Obama’s list of issues and his ideas:

http://www.barackobama.com/issues/

We always hear about Obama’s problem with women voters. We always hear that he has had problem with female voters, and that he received an overwheming majority of African American votes. Has anyone ever said what percentage of AA female votes he got? Is his problem really with a subset of white women and not women as a whole. It seems like the white vote is disected and analyzed every which way imaginable, but African American are viewed as on big block. I’m guessing if you add African American women who voted for him into the “woman” category his percentage would go up considerably.

I think Obama’s women problem is in large part a media creation and a Republican ploy.

SaintZak, I agree with you.

Just like many of the people saying they won’t vote for him but for McCain, I think the vast majority of those voices are goopers.

It makes good coverage for election fraud. Worked well in 2004.

As I said, I knew what you guys would do with this opportunity to unite the party behind Obama. Drive the wedge in deeper.

Women live longer and elderly women are a large percentage of those living in poverty (along with single mothers), so social security was a big issue for older women. Obama had the worst policy on that — suggesting that the system is broken and raising the fears that he would do something Bushlike with it, destroying the mainstay of elderly women in later life. These are the women who do much of the scutwork of campaigning, the party faithful. Well, they’ll be missing.

This isn’t about whether McCain is better on women’s issues. No one expected him to be. We expected that the Democrats would care about women’s issues. Now our party has shoved down our throat the candidate with the worst platform on the things that many women care about. If a party does not respect you, you do not reward it with your vote. The Democrats, and especially Obama, wish to take women voters for granted. We don’t have to vote Democrat and Obama will find that out.

I remember when everyone was asking how the people of Kansas could go on voting against their interests election after election. Well, we have been doing that too and this experience with Hillary has alienated too many of us. I don’t think McCain represents the interests of women, and as I’ve said, I’m not voting for him — but I don’t think Obama does either and I WILL NOT vote for him.

You think it is fun to keep insulting me. Keep laughing until Obama loses a squeaker in the Fall. It will be your fault when he loses, because you all think it was Hillary’s poorly run campaign, not sexism or Obama’s race-baiting or the fixing of the rules committee vote that undermined her campaign. These analyses about how her stand on the war did her in are insulting to the intelligence of those of us who have supported her and watched the media alternately mock and ignore her speeches and rallys. I watched as Hillary’s programs were evaluated one-by-one and considered most detailed and most sound by pundits. Obama could not win on substance so her called her a racist and accused her of “doing anything to win.” It was dirty and you Obama supporters fell in line, calling anyone supporting Clinton a troll or a Republican, and now you assholes don’t know when to stop. Keep it up and see what it gets you in the Fall.

Obama’s women problem has been documented in exit poll after poll.

Women don’t like him because of that crack about his grandmother. She was huge in banking and is highly respected in Hawaii and no one besides Obama’s convenient imagination has ever heard her say anything even faintly racist. Who would do something like that to his grandmother? Where is his respect for the women in his early life, the ones who made sure he had the chance to get where he is today when his father was MIA?

And here’s news — feminists don’t like Oprah much. In fact, women might wonder where the other women were, besides Oprah and a handful of entertainers, in his campaign? Why was his sister only around in October and not during the rest of the campaign? Why didn’t Maxine Waters and Alice Huffman support him? African American women for Hillary were highly visible on the rules committee. Nothing but men speaking for Obama. Why?

You are even claiming that he wrote Clinton’s speech. Do you not understand how deeply insulting that suggestion is? But then, maybe you think you have the right to insult other Democrats, now that Clinton has endorsed Obama. Well, keep thinking that and we’ll keeping voting for someone else — enough of us to make a difference. TPM is reporting that Obama is still neck-and-neck with McCain. You need us. That means you’d better figure out how to make nice. You can start by apologizing to me and to the other Clinton supporters who have posted here and received nothing but abuse.

Watching that speech made me tear up a little. So many aspirations placed upon her by good people, especially women. But luckily it was only the primary and those aspirations still have a champion for the general election and are still obtainable.

Mary,

It is pretty silly that you can’t acknowledge that Hillary Clinton ran a bad campaign. That is the only reason she lost. I am 24, black, and male. I supported Obama. While I didn’t like the manner in which Senator Clinton campaigned at times, had she won, I would have fully supported her and been proud to vote for a woman in November. If you are insulted by assertions that she didn’t write her own speech (which you should be), then you should understand that some people are offended when you say you believe Senator Obama to be a misogynist, to actually hate women. You even go so far as to report on the status of his relationship with his mother. How crazy is that? Also, for you to be offended because some choose to insult you is beyond hypocritical.

Steve Benen…..

Can you please ban Mary from your blog. It’s getting pretty annoying, even to skip over her tirades.

Mary… go to an extremist feminist blog…. that’s where you belong.

You are a disgrace to Hillary Clinton. You and your ilk are the reason Hillary didn’t win. Hillary had a great platform, not unlike Obama’s, but very similar. You and your ilk are too blind and enraged to see it.

It’s all about women – women – women. Do you think this country has a few other issues that may be important, regardless of your gender?

Please stay away from Carpetbagger. It’s obvious you don’t like what’s being written here. Why do you keep coming back? You’re not going to convert anybody here to your ways.

Why hasn’t anyone accepted the fact that many of those 18,000,000 cracks in the glass ceiling that Hillary talked about were “Operation Chaos” votes? It seems that the media doesn’t want to admit that Limbaugh is a credible force to be reckoned with, and the selection process for the Dems would have over a couple of months ago without Limbaugh’s intervention. There is no way to put an accurate number to the total crossover votes, but I feel it was significant enough to have skewed the final counts in several of the primaries.

whoops, didn’t realize the list went on — it’s morning and the first heat wave of the year.

The list should have continued — before I addressed you directly again:

She supports universal health care. You will vote for someone who wants more of the same system.

She supports LGBT rights. You will vote for someone who has opposed them and supported referenda against them.

Above all, she represents the hope and progress of the Clinton Era. You will vote for someone who cannot escape the legacy of the Bush years.

Chris, that post is disgusting in so many places I am not even going to go there.

But do keep it up. We need more McCain supporters putting women in their places, don’t we.

Fucking gooper POS.

btw…reverse psychology here means that you can be so nasty in bashing Clinton while pretending to be an Obama supporter, and insulting Hillary supporters to the point of trying to get them to vote McCain from indignation. Or by saying Hill supporters will not tolerate this and make Obama into a secret ruthless and ambitious politician posing as a dem and so Hill supporters are right to vote for McCain.

Neither will work because the majority will vote dem out of necessity to end this republican disaster…can’t butter that up.

McCain is 100% disaabled and has been sucking on that government tit with over a $100thousand/yr disability pay from the military besides getting his senate pay. Yeah Chris he’s had 40 yrs experience getting rich off the government’s tit. Then he treats his 1st wife that stood by him like a dog getting married within a month of getting divorced to a rich lady, rich enough from family money and the beer business to finance his campaigns where he can get more money going the family business way and all their Arizona buddies while spouting platitudes about family values( money).

Too much is at stake to even suggest that this country could survive another four years of Bush and that is exactly what McCain is. Chris, the only way not to know how bribed and bought McCain is is to not want to know. He’s part of that war profiteer gang who has been wrong about Iraq every step of the way no matter how he tries to spin it now. His true record speaks for itself on Iraq…Greeted as liberators,short war. pays for itself, Sunni and Shia would get along without fighting, we are winning though none of the political reconciliations that justified the “surge” have happened.

He says more wars and you don’t believe him? Casually suggesting McCain as a workable president indicates you don’t know what he stands for but only what the press tells you to believe. McCain is a neocon war profiteer who stands for rule by the elite wealthy class who sees America as a corporatocracy and calls that a democracy. He believes the president should have dictatorial powers in a time of war while proclaiming we are always at war with the terrorists. He believes in torture, warrantless wiretapping, and keeping our health care privatized for the profiteers to continue to make a fortune from our health problems.

The media darlings keep saying he’s an expert on military matters. Putting on a uniform does not make you an expert. He’s not a straight talker as he flip flops on every major issue. He’s not a maverick because everytime his right wing tells him he better jump he says how high. (pro choice to pro life, no torture to torture, spying only with a warrant to spy when ever you want at the president’s discretion). And I haven’t even mentioned the lobbyists.

We are at the cross roads where you will either vote to save our democracy with an Obama vote or end it with a McCain vote. Yes it is that simple and that serious. okay, no more posting for me today but I get depressed when I read a post like Chris’s comments and feel the need to inform. Sorry. I’ll stop now

Hi ya’all, its the uniformed, ignorant hick of a guy that actually has enough balls to bring a more conservative opinion into your blog. First of all, the “racial and sexual ceiling” comment is derived from they and you have made (a black man will alway beat a white woman, see one of the posts it is really there). I was just wondering if anyone would like the answer to the riddle of who is obama. drumroll. he is basically clinton wrapped in a different package. so for mary and the other die hard clintonians you are not missing out on much if obama gets elected.

As for the person that wrote that McCain supported torture, you are clearly wrong. McCain went against the party and worked with the democrats because he had been tortured in vietnam. also, the north vietnamese government offered to release him early because of who his father and grandfather were. he said no. if any of the posters on this blog had have as many balls, no sexism intended, and that includes me as well, then this country would be a lot better off because we woudl be in the government to make a difference and not suck off the tax tit because democrats dont get paid anything and they sure as hell dont do their jobs because they are definately not interested in getting reelected. here is a sad truth about politicians: they are only sincere when they are trying to get into the club once they are in they will do anything say anything mislead you and lie to you to get your vote again (this goes for dems and repubs).

Here is another sad truth. All you hardcore democrats think that Bush is responsible for letting 9-11 happen and the resulting war on terror. Not true. if you actually take a look at Bill Clintons response to several terrorist attacks by bin laden it is completely lack luster. After the first world trade center bombing he could have responded in force, but didnt. After the air force barracks bombing in Saudi Arabia he could have responded in force, but didnt. after the embassy bombings he could have responded in force, but didnt. after the uss cole he could have responded in force, but didnt. see the pattern here. Bill Clinton had numerous oppurtunities during his presidency to stop the current fundamentalist islamic terrorists in their organizational infancy but didnt (why he was too busy committing perjury). As a result, three buildings were attacked with commercial airliners and more than 3,000 US and foreign nationals were killed. While i am talking about the clintons I want to say a few words about Hilary. I personally think that she has used bills indiscretions as leverage to move him to help her. Notice that when she stayed with him for his first presidential run, even though he had cheated on her and had broken arkansas law with his real estate deals, some issues near and dear to her heart were pushed through congress. After the whole Monica Lewinsky hubbub she stayed with him and he all of a sudden became a supportive husband and even used his notoriety to do her dirty work. do you get my drift. the clinton camelot (if i may use another democrats monicer whose family was amazingly corrupt and gained an amazing amount of money from 1939 to 1941 by selling goods to adolf hitler) is dysfunctional and is purely about politics.

Now you are probably thinking why is he always bashing the dems. I want to explain my personal believes.

1. I am pro-choice. I do not think that a orgainzation dominated by males has a right to tell a female what to do with her body. Having said that i think that measures should be taken to strengthen legislation that bans underage abortions without the consent of a parent or a gaurdian and legislation shoudl be passed to let the person know the physical and pyschological effects that an abortion can have.
2. I do not support the reality of a universal health care system because it will simply bankrupt our country. there are simply too many people in this country to provide the quality health care standard of this country.
3. I do not support any measure that removes the military from a conflict before it is satisfactorally resolved. If we pull out of Iraq and Afghanistan before there are stable governments able to defend themselves we will have caused an embarrasing mistake. Any international reputation we have will be shot to hell but also the military will take a pounding as well. the last time we screwed the military over in such a manner it took nearly a decade and a half to get on its feet again and it had to conduct massive operations in grenada and panama to do it. unfortunately, i fear that we do not have a decade and a half in which our military can recover. Iran is a constant threat, we are actually fighting iranian troops in iraq and China’s ever growing thirst for natural resources might make her do something that brings her into direct conflict with the united states.
4. i believe that are good and bad aspects to both parties and someone that could marry the best qualities of both would be a truly powerful president.

Lastly, i want to apologize for some of the comments i said in my first post. They were in bad taste.