A closer look at whether ‘the world’ will ‘accept’ Obama

A couple of days ago, the NYT’s Thomas Friedman sounded a slightly hyperbolic note about Barack Obama’s popularity on the global stage: “It would not be an exaggeration to say that the Democrats’ nomination of Obama as their candidate for president has done more to improve America’s image abroad … than the entire Bush public diplomacy effort for seven years.”

Well, if Obama’s nomination has done wonders for our image, just imagine what an Obama presidency would do, right? The WaPo’s Anne Applebaum suggested this week that this might not be as easy as we’d like, because, as she put it, “foreigners” might not “accept a black American president.”

I realize that this, too, may seem like a rather offensive question, particularly if one believes everything that one reads in newspapers…. But has Europe changed? And have Asia and the Middle East changed? I hate to put it so crudely, but — European newspaper reporting to the contrary — racism is not unique to the United States. The situation of ethnic minorities in Europe and Asia is completely different from that in the United States, and in many ways our societies aren’t comparable: Most nonwhite inhabitants of European societies are recent immigrants, not descendants of former slaves, and the particular circumstances of, say, the black Christian population in Arab-dominated Sudan are unique.

Nevertheless, it is safe to say that there is a distinct dearth of nonwhite politicians in Europe. The Indian caste system has an element of skin-color discrimination built in. Arab societies have their own history of trading in black slaves, and the existence in the Arab world of prejudice against black Africans is no secret. Periodically, African students in Moscow are beaten up on the street. Though it is certainly more severe in those countries that actually have large nonwhite populations, unreflective racism exists even in parts of the world that have barely any darker-skinned or nonnative inhabitants. Japan has been singled out by the United Nations for racist treatment of foreigners. And while some of the stares that black Americans say they get on the street in Warsaw or Prague reflect simple curiosity, some, I’m told, contain an element of hostility, too.

Given this, Applebaum argued, “do not be surprised if there is some backlash” against an Obama presidency overseas.

Applebaum’s column struck me as pretty misguided when it was published, but now there’s additional evidence to undermine her argument.

The Pew Global Attitudes Project surveyed 24 nations and not only found significant interest in the U.S. presidential race around the world, but also found broad support from the populaces for Obama.

In all but three nations, those polled express more faith in Obama than in McCain to “do the right thing regarding world affairs.” They were essentially tied in the USA. In Pakistan and Jordan, neither inspires much confidence.

“Obama obviously has an appeal that has crossed the waters,” says Andrew Kohut, who directs the Pew project. “Some of it may have to do with his being associated with opposition to the war in Iraq, which is consistent with views of people around the world. Some of it may have to do with his charismatic qualities and the fact that he’s different than the typical American presidential candidate.” […]

In most countries, Obama is also more trusted than President Bush. The contrast was particularly sharp in Europe, where Bush has been making a farewell tour this week. In France, where he visits today, 13% say they have “a lot” or some confidence in Bush to do the right thing. Six times as many, 84%, say that of Obama.

Now, I suppose it’s possible that there’s some kind of elaborate, international “Bradley effect” skewing the results, but it seems more likely to me that Applebaum’s column is little more than tiresome concern trolling.

Another clumsy attempt by an establishment media figure to disguise racism and immaturity as serious commentary.

  • So she’s saying that Americans have to consider what the rest of the world will “accept” when choosing our President. Because after all for eight years we’ve had a leader who was very careful to consider what the rest of the world would accept when making decisions.

    It’s amazing to consider if there is any idea or policy to which Republicans can actually adhere. Unless it’s the ideas of hate or self righteousness. After 200 years of taking pride in our Constitution and Bill of Rights, Republicans now want to add an asterisk:

    “*Suspended due to special circumstances.”

    Republicans repeat over and over that if we leave Iraq now, we “lose” the war, we “surrender”. To that I say, if we have to adjust our own freedoms, if we suspend habeas corpus, spy on ourselves, commit acts of torture and attempt to throw a legal qualification to it, that is the definition of “surrender”.

  • Since when do the pundits or those on the right care what the rest of the world thinks of them?

  • Applebaum’s column struck me as pretty misguided when it was published, but now there’s additional evidence to undermine her argument.

    I suppose you can’t always be snarky but doesn’t Applebaum putting pen to paper in and of itself undermine any argument she is about to make? When was the last time she made an argument that made any sense?

  • I distinctly remember during the ’04 presidential race that Kerry was belittled by Bu$h and Cheney for saying he would seek the opinions of the world court when making decisions that have a global impact.

    I believe they said something along the lines of “America will not be acquiescent to any other foreign nations.”

    And now the right totally reversing it’s course; it’s saying we should pay heed to the fact that a lot of other nations have racist elements.

    So, we better vote for McCain because the rest of the world is racist and won’t respect Obama?

    Jeez, these people are total, complete, unadulterated FRAUDS!!

  • My pet theory is that most of the western world considers themselves FAR more progressive than the United States (my people in Canada certainly do). I get the impression that an Obama Presidency would be looked upon as the United States finally catching up – which would make (Bonita) Applebaum’s assertion incorrect.

    n.b. This pet theory is based on absolutely nothing but my gut-feeling…so please don’t totally jump down my throat for it 😀

  • I’ve ceased to be surprised at the awful op-ed pieces from the WaPo. Applebaum is an annoying uninformed hack. I’d be surprised if she could identify Europe on a world map. I’ve lived and worked all over Europe and i think I can state with some conviction that her article is complete drivel. Doesn’t anybody vet these things ?

  • Neilt – completely agree. Canadians look at the US with dismay. If the provinces ever joined the USA you’d have 30 million liberal democrats overnight.

  • Neilt:

    I have to agree. I have relatives in Europe, and on many occasions they have said to me that America acts like the teenage punk that thinks they know everything.

    European civilization, and most of the rest of the world, can trace their societies and cultures back for centuries; American society and culture is barely 200 years old.

    Ya think they may have a little more experience than us on matters such as these?

  • neilt (7) : n.b. This pet theory is based on absolutely nothing but my gut-feeling…so please don’t totally jump down my throat for it

    So is Applebaum’s. Maybe she should put that at the bottom of her column. 🙂

  • I think our only problem is in America, where some are still not ready for a woman or African American to be president. Hopefully, Obama’s administration will dispel much of that concern.

  • You nailed it, it’s obvious concern trolling.

    I don’t think people around the world give a shit about the US president’s skin color. What they WILL care about is the rhetoric that come out of his or her mouth.

  • How is it that these dolts keep taking facts, spinning them 180 degrees, and then prop them up with a poll that’s been reverse-engineered to support their theory? They seem to place more emphasis on the “3” that support McCain than they do the “21” that support Obama? Are we really supposed to buy into this cockamamied crap that Obama’s not electable—because one-eighth prefer McFool?

    I’d love to see an election with results like that—out of 538 Electoral votes, Obama gets 471, and “that other guy” gets 67. Someone needs to slap Applebaum in the face with that Pew report—wrapped tightly around a brick would be nice—and ask her to back up her befuddled thesis….

  • Man, where can I sign up for some of this Wingnut Welfare?
    I pretty sure that I could write something as stupid as all the stuff that Applebaum writes. Of course it helps to have a pedigree (i.e. Jonah Goldberg, Bill Kristol, Brent Bozell) to cash in on the Corp Media’s need to launch the propaganda.

  • Well, a lot (if not most) Republicans could care less what foreigners thought of us. What they’re obviously missing, though, is the need for allies in the fight against terrorism.

  • Danp #13.

    Wouldn’t the internets be ALOT better off if everybody put that codicil at the bottom of their columns/posts?

    cheers 😀

  • #9 Polaris.

    “If the provinces ever joined the USA you’d have 30 million liberal democrats overnight.”

    Oh I dunno, I’d guess that the US would gain 30 million Nader votes instead 😉

    (it never ceases to amaze me how centrist Nader’s views are in the Canadian spectrum…it’s kinda weird how two countries so alike can be so different politically)

    cheers

  • I’m not allowed to care what liberals in Western countries think about America, but I’m supposed to care about racists in Russia, India and Japan think about an Obama Presidency?

    I remember there was a Japanese Prime Minister who held (and stated) anti- American views.
    He was Prime Minister for about three months.

    Sorry, no Anne.

  • In all but three nations, those polled express more faith in Obama than in McCain to “do the right thing regarding world affairs.

    Looking at the actual Pew poll, it looks like there are only two nations that prefer McCain. Jordan by 23 to 22%, and the US by 60 to 59%.

  • Perhaps because the number of people who attend university is less in Europe, European leaders are generally particularly intelligent, graduating high in their classes from prestigious universities. Now imagine such a person trying to accept Obama or trying to accept Bush.

    The Bush family may have been wealthy for a long time, but an idiot is still an idiot. It isn’t Obama who they would be reluctant to invite into their homes and clubs.

  • I was wondering how McCan’t could have 60% and Obama 59%.

    Seems the question was “Do you have confidence [X] will do the right thing regarding world affairs.”

    McCan’t having a one point advantage in two countries doesn’t say much for the rather better known candidate, does it?

  • I hate to put it so crudely, but — European newspaper reporting to the contrary — racism is not unique to the United States.

    Shorter Annie:

    “Take it from me, they don’t like black folk! And I ought to know!”

    One aspect of this election cycle that will warrant countless theses years into the future is how one man pulled the white robes and pointy hats off an electorate fearful of a president who doesn’t look like them.

  • We had a white president for 200 years.. and the world is a mess…
    Check Darfur, iran, iraq, palestine, africa, venezuela, cuba, etc…
    Stop the nonsense and let a black man fix this universe !!!

  • When Obama locked the nomination, I got a message from an e-acquaintance (we share a hobby) in South Africa: “What took you so long? We are supposed to be world-class racists, and we’ve had a black at the top for a decade”

    And I got congratulatory messages not only from the same Warsaw which Applebaum mentions, but also from my family in the village (near Kalisz, on the western border), where people are much more conservative than in Warsaw. Yes, they were also a bit amused (you don’t want to hear the dirty jokes) but, in general, they thought it was a great thing. Quite canceled the poor opinion they’d had of us and our presidents (the jokes about Willie Wanker and the Chimp were even worse)

  • libra said: “When Obama locked the nomination, I got a message from an e-acquaintance (we share a hobby) in South Africa: “What took you so long? We are supposed to be world-class racists, and we’ve had a black at the top for a decade”

    They’re a black majority country libra. When Poland elects a Eastern Orthodox Prime Minister get back to us.

  • Oh I dunno, I’d guess that the US would gain 30 million Nader votes instead

    No, because (a) we’re not stupid and (b) we saw what happened the last time.

    Besides, the ultimate plan isn’t to join the US. That’s silly. We are, however, open to offers of territorial status for jurisdictions wanting to join us.

  • Lance, @29,

    If we’re gonna go by percentage of population… US would have to nominate a Muslim to get on an even footing with Eastern Orthodox population in Poland.

  • Having lived in African nations for many years, I can tell you that friends from West Africa to East Africa and all the way down to the Cape of Good Hope are excited at the prospect of an Obama candidacy. That’s 750+ million people south of the Sahara. They know that because of his global background and humbler upbringings, he is likely to understand and respect them and their struggles, whether they’re the new middle class or the rural small farmers. Even white Kenyans and South Africans seem to be OK with his background, because they see him as a symbol not only of reconciliation, but of the rebirth of hope that the world is not a cynical playground for rich white males who talk about change but continue to destory. His election would instantly create goodwill not only for Americans (which already exists on the personal level) but for the United States as a partner and as a trustworthy friend.

    The “racist backlash” some speak of will only come from a few lands which can’t afford to piss us off anyways. Oh well, if they don’t like it, then the attention we lavish so uncritically upon them will be welcomed by nations and people that we’ve slighted for too long.

  • wow.

    An ignorant jew says something racist about a black person who has achieved more.

    big frikkin suprise.

  • On June 14th, 2008 at 12:10 am, the msn said:

    wow.

    An ignorant jew says something racist about a black person who has achieved more.

    big frikkin suprise.

    I support Obama because he rejects attitudes such as yours.

    And yes, I’m Jewish.

    It’s time to come together, people.

  • Heads of state in both the Middle East and Europe. not to mention Russia seem th have had no problem doing business with ColincPowell and Condoleeza rice. from what I have read in European papers the people there seem excited by the Obama candidacy. Bush seems to be popular on the African continenet because of his AIDS initiative but the Africans look to aobama to continue this financial support. The one place in Africa where a Republican president is preferred tp a Democrat os South Sudan where the Bush administration was able to assist in ending a 20 year war. According to what I read in a Kenyan paper the South Sudanese feel that the Clinton administration was bad for them and do not want to see another Democratic American President.

  • Quite the contrary to what Applebaum opines, I find that at least the Germans with whom I live are desperate to believe that Americans (whom they pretty much admire and like) aren’t racist. They see Obama’s victory as a sure sign of maturity and tolerance heretofore missing in their metal image of the United States and are not only relieved to think that the Dark Ages of Bushism are ending, but that a continuation in the form of John McCain would be a disaster.

  • i am a black american female. i have travelled to many countries in europe and have been treated very well in every city i’ve visited. my crackpot theory(and lord knows i have hundreds of them) is europeans like black people as long as they aren’t from a former colony. i guess it has a lot to do with black american musicians. i would walk into a shop, get stink eye until they heard my accent. i do very well in europe as far as romance is concerned. my ex-husband is british, the boyfriend after that is french and the boyfriend after that is german and all of them are white. i enjoy being told, “you americans are all alike”. it’s a nice change from, “why is it all black people…”

  • I just returned from 2 weeks in Europe and I can say that all of the Europeans I talked to are very excited about an Obama presidency. Now I was mostly talking to academics at a conference, but one German claimed that 90% of Germans want Obama to be president. I wore my Obama t-shirt in Italy the day after the final primaries and I got lots of positive comments from Italians (and others). All of my Irish family and friends want Obama to win. The main concern expressed by the Europeans I talked to was about the possibility of Obama getting assasinated.

  • I wish racism was going away, but it isn’t. There seems to be something in human nature to try to find somebody to look down on, to feel elevated by comparison.

  • The fantasy about all of Canada being anit-bush is a little annoying…we have littlebush as our leader and plenty of peopple who would fit right into bush’s cabinet have been getting elected provincially and federally….30% republican…

  • Here in Argentina last week the newspaper (La Nacion?) ran an article describing Argentina’s and South America’s enthusiasm over Obama’s candidacy. Every Argentinian who has asked us about Obama is impressed and hopeful. We have been asked about the U.S. presidential candidates by taxi drivers, grocery store clerks, barristas, and our apartment doorman. Everyone we have spoken to (and they have initiated the conversation) doesn’t like McCain at all; Bush is heartily disliked. What Friedman and Applebaum ought to do is a bit more investigation before publishing their thinly veiled racist fears as musings. They could easily check out Watching America an around the world compilation of news articles and editorials about the United States. The world IS watching our election. And I would bet the majority is backing Obama. It is their future too. Small matters like race are inconsequential when one considers leadership type things like vision, integrity, ethics and judgement.

  • Will the world accept Obama? I was in Italy for two weeks, and when people found out I was American, they wanted to talk about Obama. “Are you an Obama supporter?” “Obama or Hillary?” “We really like Obama.” The only mention of McCain was “Oh, not McCain – he’s another Bush”.

  • I just returned from Austria, where I had lived previously for four years. The Obama candidacy is veiwed very positively there–the disparaging remarks are for Bush and McCain. The people I talked to- and not just Austrians- were very concerned about a McCain presidency. Applebaum’s comments are flavored by her academic background in Russia– where the is strong racism. However, the Russians (and I lived there for four years also), would welcome a Democratic win– they too are extremely concerned about a possible McCain victory– which would be generally viewed as a simple contintuation of Bush. I strongly disagree with Applebaum’s points.

  • #20 Neilt says “it never ceases to amaze me how centrist Nader’s views are in the Canadian spectrum…it’s kinda weird how two countries so alike can be so different politically”

    Nothing wrong with Nader – best president you never had. A guy who speaks the truth for once. Unforunately there’s too may wingnuts in the USA for him to ever make it politically.

  • The racist obsession is almost uniquely American. The problems you describe in contemporary Europe are the result of immigration. Those “white” Americans who are so eager to reject Obama because of his race forget, “No Jews or dogs allowed” “No Irish need apply” “Greek boy go back to your diner” “Italian=Mafia”
    For them a pop quiz. Of what country was Fujimari president? Hint it was not Japan

  • Bush has won because the Saudi government asked him to take Iraq oil off the world market. He did that because he is a paid slave of the Saudi government. That is why we have $4.00 a gallon oil.
    Why doesn’t the American public blame Bush for the high price of gasoline? Even Democrats are afraid to blame Bush for our high price of gasoline.
    . Now that marriage of same sexes is allowed in California and Massachusetts they must be furious about gay marriage.!
    Regards
    Richard
    hey08@embarqmail.com

  • Interesting. I guess all those South Americans who’re excited at the prospect of an Obama presidency don’t know that he hates Chavez and the others trying to democratize the region, and wants to continue the Cuba embargo. Folks elsewhere must be overlooking his fawning support for Israel and his eagerness to take on Iran. To say nothing of his intention to continue the US occupation of Iraq, pulling out combat troops while leaving support troops. Maybe it would be better if McCain were elected — at least then the world would not be under any illusions about what they were getting.

  • “Some of it may have to do with his charismatic qualities and the fact that he’s different than the typical American presidential candidate.”

    “Or perhaps because he can think and speak in intelligent complete sentences, instead of like the belligerent, retarded comic-book character you have now.”

  • Comments are closed.