Clark hits McCain — and hits all the right notes

Wesley Clark spoke with the Huffington Post this week, and was unrelenting in his criticism of John McCain. “I know he’s trying to get traction by seeking to play to what he thinks is his strong suit of national security,” Clark said. “The truth is that, in national security terms, he’s largely untested and untried. He’s never been responsible for policy formulation. He’s never had leadership in a crisis, or in anything larger than his own element on an aircraft carrier or [in managing] his own congressional staff. It’s not clear that this is going to be the strong suit that he thinks it is.”

Clark went on to dismiss McCain’s worldview on national security altogether. “McCain’s weakness is that he’s always been for the use of force, force and more force. In my experience, the only time to use force is as a last resort. … When he talks about throwing Russia out of the G8 and makes ditties about bombing Iran, he betrays a disrespect for the office of the presidency.”

This morning, Clark appeared on MSNBC, where he was challenged to defend his rather scathing assessment. I thought he did extremely well.

First, notice the incredulity from the on-air “journalists.” The notion that McCain lacks credibility on national security issues is completely foreign to them because, well, he’s John McCain. Clark wore four stars on his shoulder, and doesn’t much care about the media’s preconceived notions.

Second, when the on-air media personalities noted that Obama, like McCain, has not been in a position to make leadership positions in a military context, Clark responded with the obvious point — Obama’s not the one making the claim.

Also, as my friend Alex Koppelman noted, Clark went after McCain’s inconsistencies. Clark referred to McCain’s “personal courage,” citing his years as a prisoner of war, but said, “On the other hand, he’s changed his position on torture … So what does John McCain really believe? Who is he? … Is he just a guy who wants to be president and he’ll say what’s necessary to get the job?”

I’ve already talked a bit about Clark as a possibility for Obama’s ticket — in general, I think he’s a fine choice — and I noticed that the subject came up briefly this morning. Clark’s answer was the right one, noting that it would be “presumptuous” to even speculate.

I mention this because Time’s Mark Halperin offered a series of dos-and-don’ts tips for those who want to be VP. They include:

* “Go on TV … [and] display message discipline and a controlled ego.”

* “Show you can be an attack dog — with a smile! — against the other side.”

* “Demonstrate your experience in an area the nominee will need”

* Don’t “openly campaign for the position or look like you covet it.”

Now, consider these tips against Clark’s appearance on MSNBC this morning. Pretty solid.

Ever since I found out about Webb’s checkered past on feminist issues and Strickland’s complete lack of desire for the job, I have had a giant veep-crush on Wes Clark. This morning sealed it for me.

  • Pretty damn impressive. I still hope Schweitzer is the dark-horse pick who emerges from out of nowhere– I think he’d be equally good, if not better, on the stump, and would neutralize McCain’s “Straight Talk” image, just as Clark neutralizes the military issue– but Clark would certainly be an excellent pick as well. This is the best I’ve ever seen him in a campaign context. The General has obviously learned a lot since his 2004 campaign. Bravo!

  • I second PJ. If we can’t have Al Gore or John Edwards, Clark is by far the best choice. He takes care of gravitas and national security, doesn’t remove a Democrat from the Senate and is a prominent Clinton supporter. Also, he always comes across as a calm, clear-headed voice of reason and would compare well to say, Bobby (The Exorcist) Jindal.

  • Yes, keep hitting McCain where he is perceived as being strong. Don’t ‘give’ him anything. Make him have to defend himself on every front.

    Clark’s attacks on McCain’s supposed national security ‘expertise’ were dead on accurate. He’s always been on the outside looking in and talking rather than doing.

  • I liked Wesley Clark in ’04, in fact his name was still on the ballot when the primaries came to Texas and I voted for him, even though he had officially dropped out of the contest . (I have a weak spot for anyone smart to be come a Democrat and a 4 star general to boot!) I thought he was too in the tank for Hill, but I see he can pivot really nicely!

  • I adore Clark, both as a contender back in ’04 and as a possible veep for Obama. He’s the perfect person to neutrilize McBush’s claim of foreign policy expertise. To be deviously honest, this interview reminded me of Rove’s policy of using your enemies strengths against them. We need to learn to do that, because most of the Repub’s “strengths” are illusionary to say the least. Way to go, General Clark!

  • Hang on, the sun doesn’t shine out of McBush’s a$$? What? I am shocked. Doesn’t (4 star) Gen. Clark know McBush is a _war hero_???

    I’m working on a veep-crush for Clark, too. He would definitely be a strong candidate and would cleanly deflate all this “credibility” McBush has.

  • this interview reminded me of Rove’s policy of using your enemies strengths against them

    Beware the false equivalence, though, Mitch. Rove did it by lying. Clark is doing it by telling the truth. Big difference, no?

  • Second, when the on-air media personalities noted that Obama, like McCain, has not been in a position to make leadership positions decisions in a military context…

    As if dubya did. I don’t even know why that should be brought up except that.. oh right, look where that got us. All the more reason to get Wesley Clark in there. I liked him in ’04 too, and still do.

  • Yeah, I’ve come around on Wes, although there’s still some questions left by reading his Wiki.

    Curiously, though, I checked the supposed names that are being chatted about, and according to MSNBC, he wasn’t one of the, say, 15 possibilities mentioned.

    My opinion of his standing is probably irrelevant. However, I do trust Obama to make an excellent VP choice.

  • I have been pushing for Clark to be the VP for a long time now. And this interview was great, the main thing that needs to be hammered hard at this point is the opponent’s credibility. By bringing up McCain’s known flipflops, Clark is doing exactly what needs to be done, and setting the groundwork for all of the other things McCain won’t want to talk about.

    And if McCain picks Jindal, then anyone who says Obama is unfit to be president because he lacks military experience will have to tell us why Jindal should be VP, given that metric.

  • I’ve never even thought about Clark’s take on McCain’s national security credentials. Good one, General. McCain retired from the navy as a captain; there must be several hundred to a small number of thousands of people today who have equivalent naval experience–we wouldn’t automatically think that that was sufficient background in national security for it not to be examined, at least.

  • Perfect choice for Obama. He was earning medals for heroism while Jindal was performing exorcisms.

  • Clark peformed very well here. Articulate as always, and forceful and persuasive without losing his cool while these McCain sycophants ganged up on him. Clark’s credentials far exceed McCain’s, and it’s almost comical the way they challenge Clark, rather than McCain on a dispute over military leadership. Shouldn’t they be according Clark at least the same level of respect as they do McCain?

    I just don’t get this “war hero” crap. Where, how on the battlefield did he distinguish himself? He endured captivity and torture, and that is certainly admirable and heroic, but it’s not a “war hero” kind of thing. He’s no Sergeant York. It doesn’t qualify him for Clark’s old job, or the job of commander in chief. Why do they act as if it does? Or am I missing something?

    Wes Clark remains my number one choice, and as a result of his performance here, I think he would be a better campaigner than I anticipated.

  • Wow – that was really impressive.

    So one of the main arguments against running with a National Security type VP (Clark, Biden, etc) is that it would emphasize and acknowledge Obama’s lack of National Security experience. Clark’s comeback on that, that Obama is running based on other strengths, namely his judgment, I think does a good job of disarming that line of reasoning, especially when paired with someone as strong on national security as Clark is. Beyond that, with someone as credible as Wesley Clark (4 star general), he could really neuter McCain’s national security strength. Think of it, leadership by superior judgment on the top (Obama) along with national security and very high level leadership experience (Clark)… it’s looking better and better to me.

    There might be better VP choices for getting elected, but I’ve always liked Clark and seeing him again has gotten me really enthused about the possibility of giving him the VP job. Especially if we’re not just election focused, he is really hard to beat. We could really use someone with his mastery of the military along with his great credibility in that vice presidential position to help us handle the situation in Iraq properly.

  • It also bodes well that such a close member of Team Clinton is hitting so forcefully on Obama’s behalf. I doubt that he’d have taken to the barricades without Hillary’s encouragement. So, good on them both. Each day makes me believe a little more that her support is real and not merely self-interested.

    And I think Clark is good VP material for all the same reasons others have stated. Although I don’t think he’s perceived as close enough to Hillary that the Hillary-or-nobody folks will be mollified, I don’t think anyone is.

  • Clark was my first choice in the 2004 primary, so I’d love to see him on the Obama ticket. His name recognition is also probably a lot better than most of the people that Obama is considering.

  • Now THAT was some straight-talking! Enough of the hero worship. All I want is some truth.

  • Hark at 20: McCain did ask for aviation duty in Vietnam and when there was a serious fire on his carrier, the Oriskany, he asked to be transferred back into combat duty on another ship (he basically had the option of staying assigned to the Oriskany while it spent a long time in dry dock being repaired). In his book he describes how they flew bombing runs with alarms going off in different tones when they were on enemy radar, when antiaircraft missiles were approaching at a distance, and when they were locked in close. So I’d readily concede him war hero status.

    But, that’s why Clark’s distinction is so important. His heroic status really has nothing much to do with the skills required for a Commander in Chief and Clark gives us specific examples of comments by McCain that call McCain’s political judgment into question.

  • While it’s possible this kind of treatment will last forever, I suspect McCain’s going to be in for a big hurt once his media allies realize what a fraud he is. She really did seem to believe that McCain is above reproach on this subject, but the best they could do to defend him was to say that Obama wasn’t any better. That is NOT good for McCain. It’s clear she was shaken up by Clark’s original quote and upset that he didn’t back down. I suspect this is the beginning of the end for McCain’s Big Media love.

  • Up until now, my opionion of Clark ranged from indifference to mild resentment. After seeing that video, I’m a lot more comfortable with him. Wow. He was articulate, smart, honest and very, very tough. Just like Obama…

  • Reading these comments makes me wonder why more people don’t ask the question – “if Johnny Mac’s father and grandfather were admirals, why did he come out of the service only a captain? I don’t know, but i’ve heard enough rumors about his hotshot attitude that I suspect it should be looked into more deeply. And never forget that he was 5th from bottom of his grad class…

    Does anyone know any good sites for access to some of this info?

  • Stephen1947 said: “Reading these comments makes me wonder why more people don’t ask the question – “if Johnny Mac’s father and grandfather were admirals, why did he come out of the service only a captain?”

    Because a Navy Captain (O6) is one step below a Navy Rear Admiral (lower, O7). The man’s shoulders don’t work. It’s not really a good thing to attack McCan’t on.

  • Who is the female talking head on this piece. She sure made herself sound….idiotic “This is John McCain”…what is he, god???

  • This is an entirely frivolous comment. Wes Clark is the only person I’ve ever seen that you can actually see his skull behind his face. Watch him talk.

    Great cheekbones, btw.

  • Because a Navy Captain (O6) is one step below a Navy Rear Admiral (lower, O7). The man’s shoulders don’t work. It’s not really a good thing to attack McCan’t on.

    Well sure, but it’s a helluva jump. I’m not from a military background but I’m pretty damn sure that only a fairly small number of O6’s become O7s, so it’s not like being a Capt is “almost as prestigious” as becoming an Admiral.

    That said, even for extremely competent people, rising to flag rank isn’t for everyone. Leaving the service as a Captain and going on to other things is a perfectly respectable thing to do. So I agree that criticizing him for “only” being a Captain is silly.

    Of course, extremely competent people don’t typically come in 5th from the bottom of their class and trash several airplanes (including, allegedly, starting a fatal fire by fucking around with one). Also, honorable people typically don’t dump their crippled wives and take up with young heiresses either. And of course, honorable politicians don’t get involved in scams with people like Charles Keating.

    So all in all, McCrap is a pretty sorry choice for president. But not because he “only” attained the Naval rank of Captain 😉

  • This is an entirely frivolous comment. Wes Clark is the only person I’ve ever seen that you can actually see his skull behind his face. Watch him talk.

    Ew. Thanks for pointing that out…

    Actually the thing about Clark that is kinda weird is that he never really…blinks. Like once a minute or something. It’s kind of disconcerting.

    But in any case I’ve always been a fan and have been holding him as one of my top 2 or 3 choices for a long time now. If not Veep, I’d love to see him as NSA.

  • pfgr,

    McCain wasn’t assigned to Oriskany when she had the October ’66 flare-fire. He received his first assignment two months later, in December—and I’m pretty sure the first assignment was to Forrestal. Oriskany was his reassignment station after Forrestal burned in ’67.

    Back on topic, it should be a no-brainer here—Dems have an opportunity to put a retired four-star and former SACEUR into the Naval Observatory, after the eight sordid years of GOPers putting in “Four-Deferment Dickie Dodger….”

  • Steve at 34: thanks for the correction; I read McCain’s book 8 years ago and must have gotten the sequence of names mixed up.

  • But the fire you referred to happened on the Forrestal. And conflicting reports (of what reliability I have no idea) that I’ve read have either blamed McCain or totally exonerated him. Assuming the truth lies somewhere between the two I’d guess its still something he’d rather not talk about.

  • Wesley Clark: First in his class at West Point. (BTW, if you’ve got a friend who went to a service academy, ask him/her how hard that is to do).

    John McCain: Third from the bottom of his class at Annapolis.

  • Clark’s interaction with the buzzing mosquitoes reminded me of Bill Moyer’s confrontation with the dumbo from Faux. He didn’t give any ground and after each vapid volley went by he picked up where he left off and kept making his points. He understands the dynamic of the situation and he’s very good at seeing through the curve.

    Obama is smart and he’s got a very smart team including his wife, Michelle. Clarks ability to think strategically and communicate clearly would fit the campaign perfectly. You gotta respect the man. He hasn’t quit thinking about this since ’04. I’ve gotten e-mails from his organization continuously. There’s been no bitterness or wild throws. Just a steady attempt to lay groundwork and define the plan of attack.

    We’ve got to get far, far away from the bomb, bomb, bomb bullshit. Obama is going to have plenty to do at home while still being involved on the world stage. Retired 4 star General Wesley Clark could be sent forth to be a knowledgeable, honest and respectable advocate for a new way of dealing with the underlying anger and skepticism the U.S. has generated. Obama’s going to make a good choice for V.P. It may not be General Clark but if it is I think he’d be as good a pick as anyone else Obama could choose.

  • Mmmmmm, Wes Clark! I would love to see him as VP.

    I also fantasize John Edwards as Attorney General (I get all turned on, just thinking about the subpoenas! Think of the indictments! It would be, like, 2 or 3 a week! Total joy. . . )

    And how about Hillary as Secretary of State?!?!!!! Awesome as she is, unlucky as she was to hit her stride at the same time as Barak Obama, she can still have a huge role in America’s long, slow recovery from the sustained Republican shark attack that was the 2000-2008 period. I support Obama but also love Hillary, and I sure hope she will be with us as we try to save what’s left of America from Republican destruction.

    If Wes Clark is not in the running for the VP spot, he would make a Beyond! Awesome! Secretary of Defense.

  • Erik at 37 has it exactly right. No. 1 versus No. fifth (third?) from last — 894 out of 899. That’s a lot of guys to be behind!

    And it’s yet another link to Bush — remember his (in)famous quote at Yale’s graduation:

    “To those of you who’ve recieved honorns, awards and distinctions, I say well done, and to the C students… I say, you to can be President of the United States.”

    Based on his rank, McCain is a D- student, who barely graduated. There’s got to be a smooth way to say “Do we really want another dumbass in the White House?”

    Of course, I guess it’s “elitist” to hold McCain’s 894/899 status against him, or Clark’s No. 1 status in favor of him.

  • Excellent performance on Clark’s part. I think the only other thing I could ask anyone to do would be to respond to the “But McCain was tortured…” line with, “OK, that’s true. Thousands of soldiers were captured and tortured during Vietnam. Are they all national security experts?”, closely followed by, “How can anyone who says a place is safe when he has to be escorted by 100 troops, helicopters and a gunship be considered any kind of security expert?”

    By the way, I don’t know much about Mika, but I almost got the feeling she could have intentionally given Clark a hanging curve to hit out of the park. But I really don’t know if she is usually as gullible as other pundits.

  • If Wes Clark is not in the running for the VP spot, he would make a Beyond! Awesome! Secretary of Defense.

    Retired officers are required by law to wait ten years before they become SecDef (the whole “civilian control” thing). I think Wes retired around 2000, so he wouldn’t be eligible for awhile. Obviously Congress could change that law, but it’s a bit of a stretch to imagine them doing that.

    But there are plenty of great jobs Clark could do!! I’d love him for National Security Advisor, or maybe Sec State. A big part of his job as Supreme Commander was high level diplomacy, so I think he’s fully qualified for that job (though it seems to me I’ve mostly heard Biden mentioned for that one). I especially like him as NSA though.

  • he’s John McCain. Clark wore four stars on his shoulder,

    NO! HE DIDN’T!!!!

    John McCain WAS NOT AN ADMIRAL (4-stars). His father and grandfather were Admirals. He only made it to Captain (4-stripes on his shoulder), and that because he was a POW.

    I wish you lefty professional civilians would demonstrate enough respect for the military to have at least a passing acquaintance with the facts of military life. You’d have a lot more credibility if you did, and it’s not that hard to learn (obviously – McCain managed to learn it).

  • Emily Litella voice: “never mind.”

    I need to get better reading glasses. Clark was indeed a guy with 4 stars on his shoulder.

    Oh well, some days the magic works, and some days it doesn’t….

    But we still need to know those little factoids about the military.

  • Great job by Wes Clark! He stuck to his talking points and batted away the “but how about Obama” junk. Too funny about the “journalists” incredulity. I wouldn’t be opposed to him running as Obama’s VP at all. Cool and composed, quick to respond, and on point.

    Hey, speaking of a real war hero, ever heard of Rex Barber? He was from my neck of the woods:
    http://www.oregon.com/history/biography/rex_barber.cfm
    Check it out!

  • Correction- McCain was never a navy captain(equivalent of col. in army). He was a navy lt.

  • The mark of a great leader is gathering high quality people as advisors and teammates, so to speak. One person can’t have deep experience in every area, but the judgment to choose the people that do have the best experience is what’s important. Obama has shown his superior organizational skills early in his campaign. He has shown that he is an inspirational leader.

    In any case, Wesley Clark sure took the wind out of McCain’s national security sails.

  • I liked Wesley Clark 4 years ago for President and am loving the thought of him as VEEP to Obama. Two really smart people. As Tim Russert would say, THIS COULD BE BIG!

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  • Mr. Wesley Clark- thank you for being the voice for truth! God Bless you. Especially, last Friday on Morning Joe. Thank you for being so wise and diplomatic with your answers to the female host. She was rude but you Sir were above that! Thank you.

    I say Mr. Wesley Clark for Obama VP!!! If Mr. Clark does not accept the job Webb would be another great choice.

  • Wes Clark is awesome! His biography is lengthy, fascinating and full of heroism, brilliant successes and a long list of the very highest honors from many countries.
    He would be a great choice for vice president.

  • With Jim Webb now being asked about his sexist statements in the past and about being an apologist for the Confederacy, Clark looks like a much better choice for VP.

    General Wesley Clark is a decorated Vietnam war hero, West point valedictorian, Oxford Rhodes scholar, and a former NATO supreme commander who led the victorious war in Kosovo. Also being a Catholic and a southerner, Clark would be the perfect vice presidential candidate for Obama since he might help Obama put some southern states in play during the election and might also help Obama in Ohio with the Catholic vote.

    Picking Clark for VP is a no brainer, IMO.

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    Clark is at least as knowledgable on the international front, Biden’s big claim to expertise, and unlike Biden has actually worked in an executive capacity with all the European bigwigs and led NATO and Europe in its first foray into interventionist warfare — and it was hugely successful. There’s nothing in Biden’s bio that comes close to that.

    Also, this rarely gets mentioned, but Clark advocated for Rwanda when almost no one else in the US military or government (or European militaries or governments for that matter) did, advocated to end genocide in Bosnia when almost no one else did, and pressed us to go to war in Kosovo to save the Muslim Albanian Kosovars from genocide (which we did, although for some reason the US never wants to give itself credit for it, probably because it was done by Democrats who can only be blamed for WH blowjobs and expensive haircuts). He is a humanitarian of the first order, and that could be used to boost Obama’s already huge appeal to the 96% of the world terrified of the Amerikkka of Bush/Cheney.

  • Yes yes yes… Clark is perfect! Gives Obama everything he needs, including the ability to hit McCain hard in what McCain perceives to be his strongest area, national security and defense. Clark’s performance on Morning Joe was stellar.

  • Don’t love clark too much. While he is a great speaker…he has a terrible reputation in the military. Most had no idea how he made 4 stars (sure wasn’t for his leadership abilities). He has the reputation of runing others’ careers just so he can get ahead. Someone who speaks out of both sides of his mouth. Obama has been surrounding himself with the wrong kinds of military leadership…people like clark and McPeak are some of the most despised military leaders in history due to their careerism and disconnect from reality.

  • It’s not just the fact that McCain’s plane was shot down, resulting in McCain spending 5 years in a prison camp … it’s the fact that McCain, being the son of an Admiral, could have gotten early release … but, being a man of ‘real character’, McCain chose to spend addition years as a prisoner, in order to be fair to his fellow prisoners. This depth of character, honor, and commitment to America is what separates John McCain by a country mile from weak men, who are all talk, like Barrack Obama, or Wesley Clark.

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