Republicans’ bizarre rediscovery of Osama bin Laden

For quite a while, it looked as if the Republican Party had just about given up on taking Osama bin Laden seriously. During his presidential campaign, Mitt Romney took a surprisingly passive attitude towards the terrorist responsible for 9/11, saying, “It’s not worth moving heaven and earth spending billions of dollars just trying to catch one person.” Fred Thomson dismissed bin Laden’s significance as mere “symbolism.” The president, of course, famously said of bin Laden, “I truly am not that concerned about him.”

But that was then. Now that it’s time for the general election, the GOP has rediscovered OBL. Yesterday, for example, John McCain posted this item on his campaign blog:

Senator Obama is obviously confused about what the United States Supreme Court decided and what he is calling for. After enthusiastically embracing the Supreme Court decision granting habeas in U.S. civilian courts to dangerous terrorist detainees, he is now running away from the consequences of that decision and what it would mean if Osama bin Laden were captured. Senator Obama refuses to clarify whether he believes habeas should be granted to Osama bin Laden….

Yesterday morning, the RNC distributed this Obama quote to reporters, as if it were, prima facie, controversial: “I think what would be important would be for us to deal with him in a way that allows the entire world to understand the murderous acts that he’s engaged in and not to make him into a martyr.” (Why the RNC finds this offensive is unclear.)

Shortly before that, McCain foreign policy adviser Randy Scheunemann falsely accused Obama of opposing the death penalty for bin Laden. McCain also repeated his promise to either “kill” or “execute” bin Laden (McCain is relying on a secret get-bin-Laden plan that he chooses not to share with the White House or the military.)

The bad news is, the demagoguery here is shameless and pathetic. The good news is, it doesn’t make any sense and is easy to push back against.

I can understand, on a certain level, why Obama’s remarks have sparked Republican attacks. After all, when Obama said “we’ve got due process to go through” once we’ve found bin Laden, it was bound to get the right’s attention.

Wait, did I say that was Obama? Actually, it was Fred Thompson who said during his campaign that bin Laden deserves due process. And now, Thompson is a McCain campaign surrogate. Interesting.

Look, I know why McCain and his cohorts are trying to scare people. I realize that they’ve given up on facts and decency, and hope that the same old “soft on terror” smears can overcome a weak campaign, unimpressive candidate, and ridiculous policy agenda.

But these tactics are scraping the bottom of the barrel. Would Obama extend habeas to terrorist suspects in U.S. custody? Of course; that’s the law. Would Obama apply the death penalty to bin Laden? Absolutely; he’s already said so. Does Obama’s counter-terrorism policy rely exclusively on “law enforcement”? Of course not; he’s already laid out a comprehensive strategy based on intelligence gathering, military strength, law enforcement, and international cooperation.

Put simply, the only way McCain’s arguments work is if one gives up on reality altogether.

For the McCain campaign, counter-terrorism is about using the military. Even mentioning “prosecutions” is, according to their odd worldview, necessarily a sign of weakness. Jonathan Chait explained today precisely why this isn’t utterly foolish.

First, terrorists often operate in our country, or in friendly countries, which makes military action against them tricky. McCain (through his campaign blog) assailed Obama for favoring “prosecutors rather than predators.” But, when the terrorists are holed up in New York City, as was the case with the 1993 bombers Obama referred to, simply arresting them strikes me as more efficient than leveling their apartment with a drone-fired missile.

Second, when terrorists can be found outside the reach of law enforcement, Obama has explicitly proposed to strike them militarily. Last summer, The New York Times reported that the Bush administration had actionable intelligence about high-level Al Qaeda operatives in Pakistan. It planned a snatch-and-grab operation but cancelled at the last minute. In a speech the following month, Obama called this “a terrible mistake,” and promised, “If we have actionable intelligence about high-value terrorist targets and President Musharraf won’t act, we will.” McCain criticized Obama for this, too, saying he “once suggested bombing our ally, Pakistan.”

Third, none other than Rudy Giuliani, Mr. 9/11 himself, once prosecuted terrorists…. I would have thought the example of Giuliani would be inconvenient enough that the McCain campaign would hide him in the closet while they bashed Obama for favoring the prosecution of terrorists. Instead, McCain’s campaign trotted Giuliani out for a press conference call and a round of talk show appearances, possibly because he seems to materialize out of thin air whenever the phrase “9/11” is uttered.

Note to McCain: you’ll need different scare tactics. These don’t make any sense.

The death penalty is wrong and immoral in all forms and in all cases.

  • McCain is obviously still ensconced in his bubble. He’s surrounded by people who think this kind of retarded rhetoric will work on the American people in general, as opposed to working on the wingnuts, who (shh, don’t tell McCain) are not too happy with McCain for a number of reasons, and will not be coming out in droves come November. Without a full strength contingent of that group of morons, their plan is doomed. But inside the bubbley echo chamber they think it’s working.

    Shhh!

  • McAce is himself a scare tactic. The man in the Edgar Suit is becoming very close to being a caricature of himself with dire consequences to his campaign. I reiterate my recent posting suggestion that his candidacy will soon collapse on it’s own weight of flip-floppery and Jeb will be drafted at the GOP Convention. Now that’s a scare tactic that will really scare me…

  • Steve, I think that you are right but I don;t think we should be so overconfident. They are trying to capture Bin Laden before the end of Bush’s term preferably before the election. So we have to keep that in mind.

  • Thompson was on Fox the other night stating (basically) that detainees have all the rights a US citizen has; to know what the charges are agains them, to face their accusers, etc., and that the SCOTUS was giving them MORE rights.

    It was stunning to watch.

  • I think what would be important would be for us to deal with him in a way that allows the entire world to understand the murderous acts that he’s engaged in and not to make him into a martyr.

    It’s a stretch to suggest “make him into a martyr” means he opposes the death penalty for Bin Laden, but that is the argument McCain and his associates are trying to make. It’s particularly bizarre, since McCain would happily martyr Bin Laden by dropping a bomb on him.

  • Apprehending terrorists and prosecuting them within the framework of existing laws is by far the best way to confront the terrorist menace head on. What better message could you send?

    America is a nation of laws, based on our Constitution, and we will simply not allow a band of criminals operating out of caves and hide outs to change our society and rape our Constitution, which has held up rather well for over 200 years.

    What Republicans simply don’t understand is that we have stooped to the terrorists’ level, and in the eyes of the world, our actions are no better than Al-Quaedas. In that sense, Bu$h and the neocons have allowed the terrorists to win the battle of the mind, which is by far a bigger victory than a military one.

    I praise Obama for making a principled stand on this matter. The whole world is watching.

  • Note to McCain: you’ll need different scare tactics. These don’t make any sense.

    Isn’t it a little too late for McCain to introduce “must make sense” as a criterion for his strategy and tactics? It’ll just confuse the fine team he has assembled for his campaign.

  • citizen_pain @ 7:

    America is a nation of laws, based on our Constitution, and we will simply not allow a band of criminals operating out of caves and hide outs to change our society and rape our Constitution…

    Why not? We’ve allowed the same behavior by the band of criminals operating out of the White House.

  • Per McCain, “Supreme Court decision granting habeas in U.S. civilian courts to dangerous terrorist detainees.” He’s obviously judge and jury here. The point of granting habeas to Gitmo detainees is to determine whether or not they are guilty of anything that they are being held for. If so, they can then be charged and prosecuted. If they are innocent, they should be released.

  • I don’t know if I’d call it bizarre. They seem to rediscover bin Laden every couple of years from June to November. Then ‘poof,’ he’s gone. Damnedest thing.

  • One of the main results of the GWOT has been the ennobling of terrorists – treating them as military opponents rather than as criminals. And since even criminals can be romanticized, I’d agree with Haig at 1 that we shouldn’t be doing executions, but once we have them in jail do very public psychoanalyzing. Hold them up as examples of pathological behavior. While I don’t agree with death penalties, I don’t think that convicted criminals should have much in the way of rights to privacy.

  • Bernard @ 9: Agreed, but, when you build a house of cards, it will inevitalby collapse. This is happening right now. I am hopeful (thought not entirely convinced) that they will get theirs. As a matter of fact, there have been several reports out recently that state some EU nations are prepared to serve warrants for war crimes against several players in the Bu$h cabal. I just hope some of these traitors are stupid enough to travel abroad.

    On the other hand, it is pretty depressing that foreign nations have the guts to do what our congress is unwilling to do.

  • I’m confused. How can Obama be “confused”? I thought that meant “old and senile” now.

  • (Why the RNC finds this offensive is unclear.)

    The key word is “understand,” which is something pointy-headed intellecturals do. Also “the entire world,” which is about as un-American as you can get; after all, most of the rest of the world isn’t America.

  • Let’s get this STRAIGHT:

    McCain’s plan to capture or kill Bin Laden requires Bin Laden to voluntarily move to Iraq. That is it. Period. Remember the Bush/McCain approach has been that they were not really concerned about him and don’t really think that much about him. If he relocates to Iraq for some unknown reason then, McCain may a 100 year plan to catch him, But until then, he can stfu.

    Remember this is the same John McCain who had a hissy fit when Obama said if Bin Laden won’t from the cave he is hiding in and we find out which cave that is, we’ll blast him out.

    Repulicans have no credibility on Bin Laden.

  • Personally I disagree that the death penalty is always wrong. Actually I think I’d rather be dead than locked away for life, but that’s just me and my quality of life argument.

    The problem with the death penalty is that it 1) it can’t be taken back (there should almost be a separate verdict ‘really obviously guilty’ to use the death penalty, and 2) it’s disproportionately applied to people who can’t afford a good lawyer.

    All that said, the only way life imprisonment would work for bin Laden is if we prevented him from communicating.

  • Someone should ask McCain if he thinks Osama bin Laden would love to see us get embroiled in another quagmire, say with Iran. Osama bin Laden must LOVE to hear McCain singing “bomb bomb bomb, bomb bomb Iran”, since Iran is a Shiite country which would love to put bin Laden’s head on a pike.

    McCain is dumb enough to think another disastrous war is something to joke about, so he is bin Laden’s wet dream. I’m sure we’ll be seeing a bin Laden “endorsement” of Obama soon, because bin Laden is smart enough to know that the Republicans would use it in their campaign.

    Whether bin Laden is actually alive is still an open question, there’s a lot of groups who benefit from his continued existence, and all of them have told us that they’re not above deception.

  • The idea we couldn’t try and convict Osama bin Laden says a lot about the conduct of justice in Bushite’s America.

    If we can, then there is no problem with Habeas. He’ll be tried, convicted and probably executed.

    My prefered method would be to hold him in an underground cell in an area known for earthquakes, then drug him, stick an IV into him with a saline and sugar drip to keep him alive as long as possible, then to pin him down under some fake rubble with the smell of dust and smoke in the air, let him wake up and leave him there.

    Record his crys and pleas for the future.

  • What does McCain think the big deal is? When the US Army caught Saddam Hussein, they didn’t shoot him on sight. They turned him over to the Iraqi court system. Was Bush a wimp in doing this? What would McCain have done?

  • OT, Poor Scottie McLiar, he wants to tell the truth, but he can’t keep his story straight:

    …Unfortunately, [the Valerie Plame] matter continues to be investigated by Congress because of what the White House has chosen to conceal from the public. Despite assurances that the administration would discuss the matter once the Special Counsel had completed his work, the White House has sought to avoid public scrutiny and accountability…

    I do not know whether a crime was committed by any of the Administration officials who revealed Valerie Plame’s identity to reporters. Nor do I know if there was an attempt by any person or persons to engage in a cover-up during the investigation

    http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/06/mcclellantestimony.php

    So he doesn’t know if there was a cover-up, but the Whitehouse is still hiding the truth.

    Got it.

  • The Republican administration failed to capture OBL
    The Republican party failed to capture OBL
    Republicans do not like the nation and world to be reminded their strategy for war failed because there was no strategy for war.
    The Republican strategy for listening in on each and every American has been successful.
    The Republican strategy for starting a war for oil has been successful.
    The Republican strategy for taking away Americans freedoms has been successful.
    The Republican strategy to destroy America’s infrastructure has been successful
    The Republican strategy to take from the poor and give to the rich has been successful
    The Republican strategy to destroy our Treasury has been successful
    The Republican strategy for greedy politicians has been successful
    The Democratic Party has aided and abetted the Republican Party to also personally gain money for each politicians own purpose. ( As noted in the American oil companies taking over the oil in Iraq) As in not impeaching Bush/Cheney or holding them accountable for war crimes so to be able to be on the deal for oil for their own personal wealth.

    The Republican Party Greed knows no bounds. The Republicans are very concerned about the Democrats having the better opportunities that the Republicans will no longer have access to.

  • Lance: Had to laugh at that one. Insanely cruel, but fitting. However I can do you one better.

    I read a book a while back called the Frontiersmen – http://www.allaneck.com/b_frontiersmen.html – which is a collection of actual memoirs written by the pioneers that settled Kentucky and other Ohio valley territories.

    In one chapter, it tells of an Indian chief, who after years of searching, finally tracked down the man responsible for the slaughter of his tribe, wife and children included. What they did to him would be suitable for Bin-laden.

    They tied him to a tree and spilled his intestines. Then, they attached the intestines to a horse and gave it a good swat on the rump. I think you can picture the following develpoments. At any rate, the man didn’t die, he was left tied to the tree so the animals of the forest could dispatch him, which I’m sure they did.

  • Re # 22,

    Boy George II and Scotty McC had a secret meeting before McC quit/was fired from/ the Bushites. During that meeting BGII told McC that he didn’t want to be known for attacking Iraq for the lie about 9/11 ties and WMD. So McC said he’d write a book saying BGII actually, really attacked Iraq to promote democracy in the Middle East by lied to the American people because we are too much wimps to fight a war for freedom for Iraqis but we are willing to fight a war of vengence or fear.

    It’s all meant to rebuild BGII’s ‘Legacy’. Apparently he’s not willing to let history decide 50 years from now, he wants people to think he’s the next Truman now.

    Of course, the real reason BGII invaded Iraq was that he thought Saddam tried to kill his Poppy and other relatives…
    … which might not have been true anyway.

    It’s all lies wrapped with ‘truths’ we already know. Which is why McC is having such a hard time explaining himself at the hearing today.

  • That “Obama confused” release you quote was so transparently silly, at least to anyone with legal training, that I felt comfortable sending it without analysis to a swing-vote colleague of mine.

  • Hi Citizen Pain (re #24).

    Drawing (that’s the technical term, by the way) is hardly the invention of an American Indian. In fact, drawing and quartering is as old as the Middle Ages, at least.

    Remember the fate of William Wallace in BraveHeart? Right before they whack off his head, they are drawing him.

    You’re suggestion is nastily painful. But I like mine, because I’m pretty sure there were a least a few people trapped in the world trade center who died just like that.

    Eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth, long lingering terror for long lingering terror and loneliness.

  • Put simply, the only way McCain’s arguments work is if one gives up on reality altogether.

    But the reality is that the Repubs can make up whatever they want and they won’t be called on it. Don’t like the supreme court decision? Make up something outrageous about it you know isn’t true, but will get your team fired up. I’d like to think they’d get laughed off the stage when they’re shown to be wrong, but it just becomes two sides of the story. That’s the reality. Now how do we change that?

  • Once again, it sounds like McCain doesn’t understand what habeas corpus means.

    UBL’s habeas petition would fail from his own un-coerced public statements.

  • The facts show that it was Obama who talked about not turning Osama into a martyr. If liberals don’t want the Republicans talking about Osama, shouldn’t they tell the presumptive nominee of the Democratic Party not to talk about Osama?

  • Erik @29, this is exactly what I’ve been thinking. Why does anyone think that habeas is equivalent to a get-out-of-jail-free card, and why aren’t either the press or the Democrats calling McCain (and his low-information followers) on this?

    Andrew @30, who said we shouldn’t be talking about OBL? I think you missed the point.

  • If the Republicans want to complain about habeas rights someone needs to ask them the following:

    Where is the list of offenses in order of severity with a line drawn that if you are above the line you do not have rights and below you do have rights, and the justification of where that line is.

  • What’s astounding about the neocon attacks on habeas corpus is that they don’t seem to understand what it is, and is not. It is NOT a get out of jail free card. It is the right to confront accusers in court, period.

    Put another way: If Osama were captured and brought to court, habeas corpus would not set him free.

    I realize I am preaching to the choir here, but the only people who could possibly oppose it are dictatorial figures who know they are doing illegal things and don’t want to be caught out.

    As Olbermann has pointed out the re: Kristol: If Kristol were arrested, accused of being a foreign combatant, he could tell the authorities he was born in the U.S., but without habeas corpus he could not go to court and prove it by producing his birth certificate. He could be left to rot in a dungeon for all the law cared.

    Moreover, habeas corpus is not a new idea invented by so-called “activist” judges; it is not even remotely controversial. Some ideas are: for example, I support gay marriage for all the usual liberal and in my opinion correct reasons, but I admit that it is a new idea in America and is the subject of controversy. Habeas corpus predates America. It is the cornerstone of law in free society.

    Finally, it is always preferable NOT to make “martyrs” of one’s enemies — unless, of course, you WANT endless war. The Republicans are so wrong on this, so confused and conflicted in their own past statements, that I cannot believe it will get them very far. On the other hand, look what smoke and mirrors gave us for the last seven years. In any event, if we are still allowed to write histories in fifty years, this renunciation by the Right of habeas corpus will be one of the darkest blots on this ill-fated, ill-intended, ruinous neocon movement.

  • Stevio@3 – I’ve long shared your suspicions about McCain/Jeb Bush.

    I’ll be very surpised if McCain makes it to November as the Republican nominee.

    Wouldn’t shock me to see a Jeb Bush/Mitt Romney ticket (or vice versa) emerge from the Republican convention.

  • I don’t doubt that the Goopers will actually nominate someone else; I have been saying that for some time.

    Jeb Bush? Not gonna happen. This country is too Bush fatigued. Romney, perhaps but I don’t think we’ll be seeing a Bush running. GeeDumb pretty well took care of that (for now – we being of the ADDle ridden sort).

  • Personally, like Haik, I would have preferred Obama not to support the death penalty.
    On the issue of military action versus intelligence gathering and law enforcement, is it conceivable that the Bush gang feel uneasy about the latter for personal reasons?

  • Lance (#25), William Wallace was a hero in his country. Do we have any reason to believe bin Laden is not similarly regarded by his people? In Braveheart we feel nothing but loathing and disgust at the barbaric reprisals meted out by Longshanks and his cohorts. Would you want that sentiment engendered by your actions?
    As Gandhi said: An eye for an eye makes everyone blind.

  • what is so stupid about the Republican’s stance of “Habeus” is their assumption that when extending that right to the accused they automatically are set free. How STUPID and DUMB are those Republicans, really?

    If SBL gets caught. He gets his ‘habeus’ hearing. and of course the evidence is sufficient to keep him in jail That’s what it is about – not about whether to turn them loose or not.

    It’s the typical GOP deception and lying by omission and going for the sensationalism so treasured by the media.

    It falls flat as soon as you look at reality and the facts – regardless of what Obama’s stance is.

  • The McCain campaign is hoping for a two-fer: go back to the glory days of winning elections by painting Dems as “soft on terror,” and getting the name “Osama” out there as much as possible. Why? To remind people how similar “Obama” is to “Osama” … you know, that they both have “terrorist-sounding” names.

    Typical GOP language games? Yes. Cheap and juvenile? Of course. Effective? Hopefully not.

  • Goldilocks said: “William Wallace was a hero in his country. Do we have any reason to believe bin Laden is not similarly regarded by his people?”

    The Saudis? I suppose he’s regarded as some sort of hero by the Wahhabists in Saudi Arabia. But the reason William Wallace is regarded as a ‘hero’ is that Scotland managed to recover its independence under Robert the Bruce and he wrote the histories to make Wallace out as a hero.

    We execute bin Laden and you think anyone in Saudi Arabia is going to get away with writing a history with him as a hero?

  • Michelle #4…they can’t capture what doesn’t exist. OSAMA BIN LADEN IS DEAD! Has been for years now. You can google it and find all kinds of information about it. Bush has know this for quite some time and that’s why he’s not that important anymore.

    I do think Steve is right on about Jeb Bush being suddenly paraded as the candidate and it may start with him being the VP candidate and then McCain drops out for health reasons.

    However it is not the people but the issues that will sink the republicans this election. They have no plan beyond more of the same and I think most voters feel the need to end this republican disaster.

    Republicans have a horribly bad history on national security and foreign policy that they cannot mask. With all the torture evidence coming out etc, Obama should not avoid pointing this history out. None of their policies have worked and Jeb is just as committed to the continuation of these failed policies as McCain and they are doomed to non existence. Many don’t even pay any attention to the polls and do not know that they have sealed their fate by voting yes on this FISA rights giveaway.

  • I don’t doubt that the Goopers will actually nominate someone else; -MsJoanne

    I just don’t see that happening unless some sort of crippling malady, besides being a Republican, starts to affect McCain. No matter what, I see it as political suicide for the nominee and the party, so I welcome it. Whatever makes them look like the frightened weaklings they really are.

  • It’s UBL not OBL. Accuracy is important to avoid confusing voters and commentators.

  • Lance: OBL has remained at large (or small more likely), with a bounty of $25m on his head, for nearly a decade. Assuming he’s still alive, that’s nigh impossible without absolute local support. So he’s a hero to whoever is giving him sanctuary.
    Second, are you absolutely certain he is the mastermind? It would be too complicate, at this stage, to challenge that received wisdom, but still, he does remain innocent till proved guilty. That’s the way the system works.
    Third, there is an accumulation of evidence, which I feel can no longer be disregarded, that 9/11 was not all that it seems to be. That has to be re-visited. Therefore, I don’t think it is as black and white and a foregone conclusion as popular opinion suggests. The politics is another matter. The issue has to be kept simple for electoral reasons — but that doesn’t mean it is simple.
    Now, outside of the critical 9/11 event, there is justified abhorrence at the conduct of fanatical elements within the Muslim faith. These have been going on for centuries and are indicative of a brutality within, but not exclusive to that religion. The recurrent question we all have to face is: do we meet brutality with brutality, or is there some other, more effective response available.

  • doesn’t make any sense and is easy to push back against

    Gee, I wish I shared your optimism, which I see often from the left about lies the right tells. I don’t think it is accurate, at least in a “push back that gets through” way, though. In the last couple days I talked to one democrat who said “Obama, he went to that radical Muslim school. Is he a Muslim?” I got another one of those right wing reality free emails today and it was from another democrat who thought it was “funny.” These are people who will most likely vote for Obama but they do not read blogs and catch only moments of Olberman.

    I think many Americans are waking up to the bankrupt republican direction and want a change but to think that even democrats don’t buy into these misinformation campaigns and that push back gets through to them on a level that it should is naive.

    I certainly hope and do feel that when people see Obama debate, get to know him better, the nation will elect him. Obama was on Jimmy Kimmel before the NBA game and it was a classic “YES!! I would like to have a beer with this guy” performance – but have you ever heard anyone broach that view? Even on the left? You think Tweety will say that?

    But what is this “push back”? The left has no dependable way to get its message out. We talk in a bubble and some have this delusion that Olberman and Digby are “push back.” Conservatives have been conditioned not to listen to anything but their approved sources of info – like Rush, Fox and their movement’s true father’s paper, the Washington Times. They are under a form of information control. They actually believe these reality free emails they send you.

    One needs to look no further than the closeness of polls to see the nation is in big, big trouble. Like 2004 even if the democrats were running a goldfish in an informed nation this should not be the case. People do fall for the lies and not just right wingers.

    Look at the “China drilling off the coast of Cuba” lie. Unlike 99.9% of their lies, their leaders are even denying that one now. Highly unusual as you know, yet do you not think millions of Americans have gotten the “message” and believe it? It forms their world view.

    Robert Parry – who many major liberal bloggers won’t even link to – has been screaming for the left to wake up to the fact they have no dedicated infrastructure to get the truth out, nothing that comes close to the right’s echo chamber of lies. The lies from McCain will work, they know they will work, they know they have to work and they will continue.

  • Re #45, Goldi, I may be willing to believe that Boy George II and the Bushites knew more about the 9/11 plot than they have led us to believe, but it doesn’t change the fact that the plot was by al Qaeda, executed by al Qaeda operatives and planned by Osama and his henchmen.

    He’s guilty and he has admitted his guilt. Put him before a court and he will be convicted of mass murder.

    I’m not a court official, I don’t have to couch my language with ‘alledged’ and ‘charged’. The man is guilty as sin.

  • Oh, McCain…what a puppet. Killing OBL is going to solve everything, eh? I seem to remember this other leader…oh, what was his name? Anyway, we invaded his country hell-bent on seeing him dead, had him killed, and then it was Happy Ever After from then on. McCain should remember all this – the roses the citizens of that country laid at his feet as he walked through the streets of that country without a protective vest, being greeted as a liberator. Why doesn’t he just bring up the success of that example to prove to Obama that killing with guns and bombs is the only thing that works?

  • Yes, Lance, it’s true that al Qaeda and OBL, by their own proclamations, are not innocent. I’m also sure, as you say, that brought before a court he and they would be found guilty, whether or not they are the only mass murderers in this sad saga. The main point is that if they are captured they are brought before a court and given civilized justice.
    And I am glad to see that you are “willing to believe that Boy George II and the Bushites knew more about the 9/11 plot than they have led us to believe”. My feeling is that that may well turn out to be quite a juicy story as time goes on.

  • Barack Hussein Obama has too many terrorist ties and hangs out with WAY too many people who hate our country and Israel… and within the last two weeks Malik Obama – Obama’s half brother – announced to the world that Barrack was raised Muslim and had a photo to prove it – one of Barrack Hussein dressed in Islamic attire at the age of 24. But the main stream media doesn’t talk about all of this do they? Why has no one asked Obama why his Middle East advisor, Robert Malley, was secretly meeting with Hamas, or why Obama has had an undisclosed meeting with one of Hezbollah’s most important agents in America in recent weeks, Imam Hassan Qazwini? And why Obama met just last week with another Hezbollah member in Detroit? Or why so many of Obama’s advisors are blatantly anti-Israel? Or why Obama referred to Israel as a constant sore? How about why he belongs to a church that gave Farrakhan a lifetime award even though he called Judaism a gutter religion and has been actively vocal in his hatred for Jews? And why Obama’s church passed out pro Hamas and pro Hezbollah writings to their members? Or why Obama’s mentor of 20 years preached hatred for whites and Jews – and why Obama endorsed Rev. Wright with thousands of dollars to continue preaching hate for America, whites, and Jews – or even why Rev. Wright and Obama both converted from Islam to black liberation theology? Or why Palestinians are phone banking for Obama and Hamas is rooting for him? No one asks because we all know deep down inside who Hussein Obama is. People cling to lies about him to prevent themselves from seeing the terrifying truth.

  • Now that there’s an election on, OBL is useful to the Republicans again. In December, he fades to a mere symbol again.

    OR, vote for Obama and the 150,000 troops can go after a terrorist that killed 3000 people instead of guard oil fields Bush stole.

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