A ‘faith-based’ presidency for Obama?

Guest Post by Morbo

A new book about Barack Obama’s faith is raising eyebrows — mainly because of its author.

Stephen Mansfield’s The Faith of Barack Obama is due out in August. The Politico received an advance copy and reports that it’s a very positive portrayal of Obama and his religion. This surprised some people, because Mansfield is a conservative who earlier penned a flattering book about President George W. Bush’s faith.

The Politico says that in the book, Mansfield writes:

“For Obama, faith is not simply political garb, something a focus group told him he ought to try. Instead, religion to him is transforming, lifelong, and real.”

He goes on to contrast Obama to Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton, presidents Mansfield says erected a “wall of separation” between their personal religious views and political positions.

The implication is that Obama will not erect such a wall. I’m a secularist, so I must be pretty worried, right? After all, we secularists have spent a lot of time beating on the Religious Right for trying to convert its religious vision into public policy.

But I’m not worried about Obama’s religious vision, and here’s why: Obama (and the many religious progressives who follow him) are merely putting a religious gloss on things we should be doing anyway, things I want our nation to do. This does not trouble me.

Obama may sometimes argue that we need to provide health care or help those in need because Christian virtues require us to care for one another. Fine. If that’s what it takes to motivate some religious believers, so be it. I look to a more secular motivation: We should do this because it’s the right thing. We can still work together.

Liken it to the coalition that smashed segregation in the Jim Crow South: Some were motivated by religious convictions and others by a secular morality. Both were welcome in the struggle. They joined forces to end an evil.

This is a far cry from what the Religious Right seeks: A system of laws based on a narrow vision of the scriptures that restricts, not expands, human rights. One can easily articulate a secular rationale for providing health care and helping the poor. What is the secular rationale for teaching youngsters creationism in public schools or banning same-sex marriage? Obama’s public policy vision may be influenced by his faith, but his positions do not end with “because the Bible says so.” The Religious Right’s do. That makes all the difference.

Obama has also stated that he will respect the separation of church and state in his administration. Compare this to Bush, who has funneled millions to fundamentalist outfits under “faith-based” initiatives to provide things like “abstinence-only” education in public schools – even though study after study has shown that it is ineffective and that some of the groups taking the money push theology. Obama is likely to continue the faith-based initiative, but he won’t use it as a battering ram against the church-state wall as Bush has done. Public funds can flow to religious groups to provide secular services if certain conditions are in place to protect First Amendment rights. I’m confident Obama will put those protections in place.

It’s a religious country. Politicians who speak the language of faith generally do better at the polls. I’m not alarmed by a little religious rhetoric on the stump. I am alarmed by candidates who either use religion as a weapon to attack others or who cynically manipulate faith to win votes. I’m also alarmed by anyone who can’t understand the difference between democracy and theocracy.

the distinction between people who practice a religion to expand consciousness vs. those that use religion as a means to justify their ends is an important distinction; one unfortunately overlooked by the left and usurped by the right. separation of church and state is mandatory, but one’s motivation based on authentic spiritual experience is key toward building a better union (just look at our founding fathers).

to truly demystify it (at the risk of sounding trite) problem-solving with the mind can only go so far. when you look at the greatest leaders in history you see that they first looked into their hearts for direction, then utilized their brains to actualize the vision.

  • Obama (and the many religious progressives who follow him) are merely putting a religious gloss on things we should be doing anyway….

    So next week when Obama pretends to try to strip telecomm amnesty from the FISA “compromise” and then votes for the bill anyway, he will simply be practicing the Christian principle of “forgiveness”? He’ll be demonstrating his belief that someone can spend their entire life stealing, raping and killing and then say they’re “very, very sorry” and the slate is wiped clean?

    Sorry, I want a president who will defend and uphold the entire Constitution, not just 24 out of 25 Amendments.

    I’ll still vote for Obama in November, but I’m really, really pissed and disappointed right now.

  • Obama’s faith is fine by me. Much like Jimmy Carter, he has a strong faith that informs his life and provides with guidance. However, Obama realizes that the constitution (and liberal democracies in general) is based on LAWS, not religious beliefs. There’s a BIG difference between this approach to governing and the Religious Right’s attempt to create a quasi-theocratic sytem of government.

  • Morbo: This is a far cry from what the Religious Right seeks: A system of laws based on a narrow vision of the scriptures that restricts, not expands, human rights.

    How did you hold off using the word “sharia” somewhere in there?

    Given that anyone who opposed the Iraq war is considered a terrorist-supporting defeatocrat…
    shouldn’t anyone who seeks to beset us with religious laws be likened to the worst that is Muslim too?

  • i don’t want “the people” gettin comfortable with any president’s faith-based agenda.

    I happen to believe in a lot of Obama’s goal, which he filters through his Christian belief.

    I happen to believe Bush is the worst kind of evil, because he (ab)uses his faith to rationalize his madness.

    So let’s take faith out of the equation entirely. Focus on who’s upholding AND embodying the laws of the land, not the laws of one and/or the other testament. The next president AFTER Obama might be religious like Obama, or like Bush. Or Jesus. or Laura Schlesinger. Take religion out of the equation, and judge people on their goals and actions, not that they pray to the same god you do. Their prayers might be much different, and they’ll be in a position to make sure, one way or another, they’re answered.

  • Here is the problem with Obama’s faith. It makes him “comfortable” with putting religious bigots on his team. Yes, he says the right things about gay rights, but he does not do the right things. First, it was Donnie McClurkin who says he is at war with gay people and that it is OK to hate gay people because God “hates the things that are purported to destroy the ones He loves and are against His nature and design.” On a personal level, Obama refused to have his picture taken with SF mayor Gavin Newsom or even be in the same room with him, because of his actions supporting gay marriage. This is a story substantiated by Newsom himself, based on Obama’s requests concerning a fundraiser Newsom held for Obama. Newsom said: “… as God is my witness, will not be photographed with me, will not be in the same room with me,” Newsom told Reuters, “even though I’ve done fundraisers for that particular person – not once, but twice – because of this issue. [gay marriage]” Then, there is the Rev. James T. Meeks, an Obama delegate who served on Obama’s exploratory committee for President, someone The Southern Poverty Law Center calls one of the “10 leading black religious voices in the anti-gay movement”. This adds up to a pattern of tolerance for bigotry in the name of faith.

    When Obama’s faith leads him to tolerate bigotry, then I am unwilling to trust his “faith” on other issues of importance.

    You should be seeing that trusting Obama to take principled stands is unwarranted. Why on earth would anyone believe that Obama is going to act contrary to the dictates of his personal faith when in office? Especially if he has no “wall” between his faith and public office to begin with? You may accept that his faith will lead him to do all the things you think are important, but already his faith has led him to do things I do not believe in, things I consider abhorrent.

    Someone who does not have a wall between faith and governing is someone who does not believe in the same things I do because I believe in having such a wall. It is important because the president must act on behalf of ALL of the people, not just those who share his particular brand of faith. That makes Obama someone who I will not trust to do the right thing in office, because he is already not doing the right thing with respect to his faith. Gay rights is only one issue where faith dictates action. What others might there be?

  • /snark/

    wait a minute. didn’t i read somewhere on the intertubes that obama is a muslim?

    /snark over/

  • For once I’m thinking Mary has a decent point. The problem with religiously-based morality is that it essentially gives you permission to codify your whims as immutable laws. Secular morality has to be capable of justifying itself outside of faith; religious morality doesn’t. Put another way, atheists don’t fly airplanes into buildings, all the while imagining they are doing the will of God.

    I’m not particularly happy with Obama’s strong attachment to his sky fairy, but on the other hand the opposition is much, much worse.

  • I get a little nervous around people who wear their religions on their sleeves, and I’m afraid to say that includes Obama, although I’m solidly behind him in the election. And I understand that he’s caught in a bind – he has to proclaim his Christianity to counter the rumors that he’s a Muslim. And he has to pander to the religious crowd because that’s 97% of us, according to the polls, and that’s what all politicians have to do, like kissing babies and pandering to their audiences. But Obama is awfully close to that line, if not stepping over it.

    What I’m trying to say is that it makes me uneasy that people seem obsessed with their religious beliefs, and feel the need to express them, and impose them on others. I don’t get it. The very fact that religion is singled out in the First Amendment is curious – aren’t their zillions of philosophies and beliefs we can hold which have nothing to do with religion? Aren’t they protected? Or should they be? Why is religion so sacred?

    I go about my life without announcing publicly what my religious beliefs are or are not. I’ve gotten along fine that way. I don’t understand why others have to go around trumpeting theirs. It just makes me uneasy. I can’t explain it.

  • Mary (6) Why on earth would anyone believe that Obama is going to act contrary to the dictates of his personal faith when in office?

    Seriously, is that really the standard you want in a president? Someone who will act contrary to their personal faith? And when’s the last time you heard Obama make the argument, “I really don’t find this logical, but God says…”

  • I want someone capable of acting independently of their personal faith. Sometimes that will mean acting contrary to it, sometimes not.

    My problem with Obama isn’t that he says “I really don’t find this logical but God says…”. It is that he says the things we all want to hear, then does things contradictory to his own statements. In other words, not only does he act according to his faith (giving him the benefit of the doubt about not being personally bigoted), but he does so while pretending to be different. But, hypocrisy goes with the religious territory — another reason why a religious presidency is undesirable, in my opinion.

  • Mary, even atheists have personal faith. Call it values if you want. Or convictions, principles, ethical standards. There are beliefs that define us. But Obama does not point to obscure teachings of the bible to justify selfish acts or paranoid fears in order to exploit weakminded people. Bush, on the other hand, not only exploits religious rhetoric, but nationalistic rhetoric as well. I’m guessing you agree that Bush didn’t invade Iraq or give cap gains tax cuts out of some personal faith or even convicetion in some economic philosophy. For me, I would have rathered he told us his true beliefs, and then stick to them.

  • I don’t know what some of you guys want. Really!. You keep calling him a Muslim when he proclaims his faith. Now, he authorizes a book to convince you and you complain. You want a Christian for president, now you got a true one. So, Shut up!

  • Bush believes that God spoke to him about invading Iraq — he said so. How much more religious does it have to get than that? Yes, it is self-serving, but so is much of religious practice. Obama stated in his campaign literature that God “called him” to run for the presidency. Please explain the difference between these two statements. (Before you say that Obama doesn’t talk to God, explain how he knows then that he was called, if he doesn’t communicate with God about his decision-making?)

    Obama seems to be telling us his true beliefs. I think we should listen and learn from past mistakes (not mine — I didn’t vote for Bush or Obama).

    I don’t speak for atheists, but I have a personal commitment to living a reality-based life, using evidence to inform my decisions. I do not consider values equivalent to faith. The two words mean very different things. One refers to a set of priorities that guide what ought to be done and how one ought to live (values). The other (faith) refers to acceptance without evidence of that which is revealed and willingness to base one’s life upon such revelation. The only overlap is that either one can be used to guide decision-making — but that’s a slim similarity. Yes, religions sometimes espouse values but such values come from different sources in a religious context than in a philosophical or scientific context.

    In my case, you can throw in a heavy dose of pragmatism (utilitarianism?) too. I do not admire Obama’s “faith” and I find anyone as strongly religious as he appears to be dangerous because it implies inflexibility and unresponsiveness to immediate needs. Such people scare me and I would not willingly have one as president, given a choice. Hillary Clinton is religious but shared my pragmatism and was strongly committed to using evidence to guide decision-making (for example, Bill Clinton’s term was lauded as the first to use findings of social science to guide domestic policy making). I don’t see any of that in Obama. Since the so-called science debate never materialized, we don’t know where Obama stands on questions like whether God is going to rescue us all from global warming. His faith may prevent him from seeing the urgency of using stronger measures (more unpopular ones) to mitigate climate change, for example.

  • I’m w/jimBOB and think Mary has a point vis a vis Obama’s willingness to cross a line to prove his religious bona fides. If he tolerates those who are intollerant of gay people, that says something about him to me. And, it does not increase my admiration for him. It does not necessarily diminish my support for him (the way his support of the FISA “compromise” has) but it engenders a sense of vigilence that makes me a bit intuitively restless.

    Frankly, I am very uncomfortable with the religious litmus tests that are part of our political process. I suppose it is because I do not understand the “need” for religion as a motivation for ethical behavior, honesty, or charity/compassion towards others. It is either a flat spot or a strength of my character, but there it is.

  • Danp said:
    Mary, even atheists have personal faith. Call it values if you want. Or convictions, principles, ethical standards. There are beliefs that define us

    I think when Christianists talk about their faith, they mean specifically their faith in a Supremo Being.

  • I’m an atheist, but I have no problem with Obama’s belief. Sometimes religion gives you an excuse to be the worst you can be (Bush, etc.) sometimes it gives you an excuse to be the best you can be (MLK, Fr. Drinan, the Berrigans, Dorothy Day).

    And Morbo, you underestimate the proportion of religious people at the forefront of the civil rights movement. I remember the vast majority of them being religious, with priests, ministers, and rabbis working together — and of course there was Martin leading them. I’m not sure about Goodman, Schwerner and Cheyney, but i know that the ‘forgotten martyr’ Viola Liuzzo was specifically activated by her Catholicism.

    And remember that when the first hearings were hekl on a bill to overthrow the ‘school prayer decision’ almost everybody testifying against the bill was a representative of a faith group.

  • There’s too much in Mary’s post that’s just absolutely absurd, so I’ll just note this one thing:

    “I do not admire Obama’s “faith” and I find anyone as strongly religious as he appears to be dangerous because it implies inflexibility and unresponsiveness to immediate needs.”

    …and when he demonstrates flexibility, you attack him for being “unreliable,” “pandering,” and “just another politician.” Mary, I may be drinking the kool-aid, but it’s much tastier than the hater-ade you drown yourself in.

  • I have never attacked Obama for pandering or for being unreliable, nor have I ever complained about his flexibility. I have claimed that he is no “new” politician but is just another of the same kind of politician, but not because of any perceived flip-flops — I have said that his words do not match his actions.

  • @mary

    Two days after Obama won the primary his staff held a national conference call with GLBTQ activists reiterating how he supports our issues and values our support in the campaign. 1500 people participated. It was damn cool. Aside from all the specifics on queer policy issues, the first 15 minutes of the call were devoted to the Hillary supporters on the line. Elizabeth Birch from HRC talked movingly about her support for Clinton, her hurt feelings over the course of the campaign and the need to give Clinton supporters some time to get on board. It was honest and moving and I think a fabulous way to begin the process of uniting a party. I will be forever admiring of the fact that call even happened and thankful for the fact he has committed to keeping these calls going throughout the campaign.

  • I agree that such a call is admirable, but it is just more talk. Why are people so eager to believe Obama’s words and so unwilling to look beyond the words to his actions?

  • I am an atheist. I come from a family of atheists, nearly all of us are in the medical profession. We’re all very liberal politically and strong supporters of secular government and church/state seperation. Guess what? We all support Obama. We don’t find his faith threatening in any way. Why? Because he is part of a progressive faith-based viewpoint that actually INCLUDES US. His faith does not make his perspective narrow– quite the contrary. If more Christians were like Obama I might actually have more respect for religious beliefs in general.

    Mary– your bias against Obama is so strong that he could say that the sky is blue and you’d find a way to disagree. Regardless, I do have a question for you– who are you voting for in November? Let’s test just how rational you claim to be.

  • To be reductionist Obama hasn’t really made performed of actions, he has taken allot of positions and said allot of things. Most of the actions he has initiated lately and his proposals for future action have been seemed wise ones. And to be fair to him, given the level of scrutiny he receives for any action he makes right now he is just about immobilized. Hence the weak stances, the pandering and the backtracking.

    (i know i’m arguing over the word “action”, but i’ve most disappointed by Obama’s inaction)

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