Would Colin Powell and Chuck Hagel endorse Obama? Would it matter?

I’m not entirely clear on whether we’re supposed to call them “Obamacans” or “Obamacons,” but either way, there’s a small-but-high-profile group of conservatives who, for a variety of reasons, are supporting Barack Obama.

Some of the names are well known in certain political circles, but hardly household names (Doug Kmiec, Jeffrey Hart, Armstrong Williams, Richard Whalen). Bob Novak suggests today, though, that the list may yet include some very big names: “[L]ooming on the horizon are two big potential Obamacons: Colin Powell and Chuck Hagel.”

The prototypal Obamacon may be Larry Hunter, recognized inside the Beltway as an ardent supply-sider. When it became known recently that Hunter supports Obama, fellow conservatives were stunned. Hunter was fired as U.S. Chamber of Commerce chief economist in 1993 when he would not swallow Clinton administration policy, and he later joined Jack Kemp at Empower America (ghostwriting Kemp’s column). Explaining his support for the uncompromisingly liberal Obama, Hunter blogged on June 6: “The Republican Party is a dead rotting carcass with a few decrepit old leaders stumbling around like zombies in a horror version of ‘Weekend With Bernie,’ handcuffed to a corpse.”

While he never would use such language, Colin Powell is said by friends to share Hunter’s analysis of the GOP. His tenuous 13-year relationship with the Republican Party, following his retirement from the Army, has ended. The national security adviser for Ronald Reagan left the present administration bitter about being ushered out of the State Department a year earlier than he wanted. As an African American, friends say, Powell is sensitive to racial attacks on Obama and especially on Obama’s wife, Michelle. While McCain strategists shrug off defections from Bruce Bartlett and Larry Hunter, they wince in anticipating headlines generated by Powell’s expected endorsement of Obama.

While Powell may not be a legitimate Obamacon because he never was much of a conservative, that cannot be said for his close Senate friend Hagel. He has built a solidly conservative record as a senator, but mutual friends see no difference between him and the general on Iraq, Dick Cheney, Don Rumsfeld, George W. Bush and the Republican Party. In a speech today at the Brookings Institution, Hagel is expected to urge Obama and McCain to reach out to each other.

And sure enough, Hagel did just that — right before he explained why Obama’s approach to Iran and North Korea is the right one, and McCain’s isn’t.

OK, so Powell and Hagel are unlikely to throw their support to John McCain. But let’s say one or both of these two endorse Obama. Then what?

Novak said McCain’s campaign “wince in anticipating headlines generated by Powell’s expected endorsement of Obama.” But Kevin posed a related question from a different perspective:

[H]ow would the liberal blogopshere react if Powell endorsed Obama? Powell remains broadly popular, and there’s no question that a Powell endorsement would be a huge boost for Obama. On the other hand, lefty bloggers as a group mostly loathe Powell and would groan at the possibility of him having any influence in an Obama administration. That’s sure not change we can believe in.

So: yowls of protest, or a collective shrug because the world isn’t a perfect place and you gotta do what you gotta do if you want to win a presidential election? My guess: it all depends on just how bitterly Powell denounces the Republican Party in his hypothetical endorsement speech. If he sounds a bit like Larry Hunter, liberals will break out the balloons. If he plays the diplomat, expect some grousing.

I think Kevin’s guess sounds about right, though I’d add the response from the netroots might also depend on the likelihood of Powell serving in an Obama administration. If Powell made clear he plans to stay retired, and has no interest in additional public service, the ‘sphere would probably see this as a net plus — Powell’s reputation was severely tarnished during his tenure in the Bush administration, but only among those who were paying close attention. My hunch is he remains a very popular national figure.

His endorsement would carry weight, and the left probably wouldn’t mind if Powell wasn’t actually going to work for Obama. What say you?

Do we hate Colin Powell? Or is it just that we despise him for letting himself be used so easily?

I think either endorsement would be affecting on independents, especially those independents that six years ago called themselves Republicans.

As for Powell in the administration, I’d worry more that he’d push Richard Armitage. Armitage may seem like a moderate (at least anti-Bushite) kind of guy, but he was the first one to out Valerie Plame.

I have no use for him.

Hagel in the cabinet would be cool though.

  • Powell might cut an interesting symbolic figure. His name is mud with pretty much anyone who thinks the Iraq war was a mistake, but enough center-right conservatives who like American Heroes (real or imagined) might like him because he’s a soldier. (There’s a serious soldier fetish in this country that gives old loons like McCain a chance to even compete in elections.) Question is, will Obama decide to use that? A soldier of his own to counteract McCain’s military cred, perhaps?

    I hope he doesn’t. That’d be playing McCain’s game rather than his own. And furthermore, in the wake of Obama’s relatively moderate-to-center decisions lately (FISA, death penalty against child rapists) the last thing he needs is yet another “bipartisan” gesture. Not to mention that he’ll be hitting diminishing returns: conservatives won’t like him any more than they already do, while liberals will start seriously doubting if he’s on their side. Bad idea.

  • Armstrong Williams – not a household name? I’d beg to differ. Remember the ‘ Dept of Education paying the black radio commentator to shill for No Child Left Behind’? That was the scandal that started the snowball to Bush’s 23% percent approval. (It also just preceeded the Social Security Overhaul debacle.)

  • Assuming we’re talking about an endorsement and not a cabinet position, I think it would be a great thing. It’s not a simple matter of whether you like Powell or not. It’s about his expertise – and that’s military. Just as Obama got several endorsements from former SEC chairmen (including two Rep), Paul Volker, Oprah Winfrey, and Warren Buffett, this type of endorsement says that Obama is respected by the experts on poverty and women’s issues, banking regulatory enforcement, investment regulation, and now military.

    These endorsement impress the mavens of society. And these mavens carry a lot more weight among friends than do the screachers and social butterflies of the world.

  • I like Powell. He was handed a shit sandwich and deceived into eating it. The brightest of us are no smarter than the information we have – Powell was working from information that seemed credible to a lot of people at the time. We know for certain now that it was manufactured.

    The guy was pretty much the lone voice of reason in the whole Bush Administration. Give him some credit for that.

  • whether we’re supposed to call them “Obamacans” or “Obamacons

    The best label was proposed on the Stephanie Miller show: “Barackefeller Republicans.”

  • Americans are suckers for reformed sinners so I think that having Powell’s endorsement would help Obama. I don’t see anything for him beyond that.
    Hagel would be a great choice for Secretary of Defense.

  • I don’t endorsements, by any one, at any time, mean a whole lot. But the endorsement of anyone who isn’t toxic (Farrakhan, David Duke, Hitler, etc.) never hurts, and it sure would make the news if a Republican as prominent as Powell endorsed Obama. Don’t think Hagel’s a household name yet.

  • I can’t imagine Powell in an Obama cabinet, but he is a man of formidable talent who was treated like a camp whore by Bush and the neocons. I could easily see him taking on some special assignments that might even have a rehabilitative effect.

  • November is all about who controls the middle.
    Powell is the middle…
    Hagel is the middle…
    Which is to say: Any republican that endorses a Dem will be considered to be, by both voters and the media, a centrist who puts country first. That’s bloody good.

    If the left blogosphere howls…. Fantastic!
    That will help distance Barack from the left edge and bring him the middle-of-the-road credentials he desperately needs…

    Perception is everything…
    To control the scrum for the middle you’ve got to embrace middle-right.
    In other words: From me, you will see nothing but hugs and kisses @ Hagel & Powell.
    But you lefty folks? Do your duty. Hurl your brickbats! Spit out your brie with a venom…
    Curse Obama and damn his name!
    You’ve got a role to play in this too. And here it is:
    Jump up and down and tell the world you are going to vote for Nadir…
    Act bitter. Act disgruntled…
    In other words: Imitate yourself imitating yourself.

    [Insert wry elitist chuckle here.]

  • I think Powell has had his fill of office-holding. Other than as an occaisonal special consultant on his areas of expertise (like the how to’s and how-fasts of getting out of Iraq) I doubt he’s looking for a job. Remember he didn’t want to go though the degrading hassle of running for president, and his wife was strongly against it.
    Obama is running for President of the Unitred States, not President of the Progressive Wing of the Democratic Party. Centrist endorsements should be welcome. I also think it would be helpful. The public at large doesn’t blame him for the UN debacle, they blame Bush, Cheney, and Rumsfeld.

  • I know that, for my husband (who’s a reliable Dem but “I’m too old to be a lefty, dogmatic, firebrand like you”), both endorsements would carry weight. He seems to respect both, despite Powell’s pre-I-wreck “slip-up” at UN.

  • …Armstrong Williams – not a household name? I’d beg to differ. …

    It’s a well known household name. Many households have Armstrong flooring or carpeting, and have walls painted with Sherwin Williams paint.

  • I don’t think about these guys having a part in an Obama admin, for I doubt that will happen, BUT, just that they support him definitely gives me pause.

    Powell is a liar and a war criminal. Period. Highly respected? Not a chance.

    Any of the other people whom I consider Out There…when they start supporting Obama, I am fearful. After FISA, his take on the SCOTUS decision and a few other sundry things he has said, I am getting to the point where I am highly uncomfortable with him as our candidate.

    I am at the point of holding my nose and voting for him. I am not a happy Dem right now.

  • “The Republican Party is a dead rotting carcass with a few decrepit old leaders stumbling around like zombies in a horror version of ‘Weekend With Bernie,’ handcuffed to a corpse.”

    I couldn’t have said it batter myself.

    But as for “what say I,” there’s a big bunch of conservatives out there in Vote-Land who want to reject the GOP and what it has become, but going with the traditional version of the Democratic Party requires much more “nose-holding” than they want to do. Powell and Hagel would negate the need for much of that nose-holding; for some, perhaps, even all of that nose-holding.

    The Rule of Total War—and this election cycle is, without a doubt, nothing less—is to use any and all means available to you for the single, solitary, unadulterated purpose of annihilating your enemy on the battlefield. Not just beating him; not just destroying his will to continue the fight—but physically, emotionally, and politically annihilating him.

    In this context, the Senator and the General become Weapons.

    OUR Weapons.

    Weapons of Mass Destruction.

  • Hagel is NOT in the ‘Middle’.

    Being against the war is not being in the ‘Middle’.

    It’s just sensible (or in Pat Buchanan’s case, just isolationist).

  • I completely agree with Steve. So long as Powell minds his business, I don’t have a problem with it.

    But it’s really amazing…If your a republican with a single ounce of decency, the political establishment treats you like a God, no matter how much of a tragic loser (Powell) you are.

  • Nothing wrong with his endorsement but Powell has indeed been compromised. While I would have no problem with him in an Obama administration it should be one where he is under close scrutiny. But that said there are multiple democratic leaders who would be just as qualified for any position Obama might want to offer Powell. Why reward someone who was responsible for lying us into such a devastating war without even asking who these so called sources actually were before throwing their bullshit out before the entire world as truth. Compromised indeed.

  • Powell is a liar and a war criminal. Period. Highly respected? Not a chance.

    Any of the other people whom I consider Out There…when they start supporting Obama, I am fearful. After FISA, his take on the SCOTUS decision and a few other sundry things he has said, I am getting to the point where I am highly uncomfortable with him as our candidate.

    Well, maybe not highly respected by *you*, or by the extreme left, but among the populace at large he is unquestionably well respected, and even pitied for what many see as his misplaced trust. I’m not going to argue whether he knowingly lied or not because I simply don’t know. But peoples’ perceptions are not open to question — he is well respected among moderates on both the left and right.

    And yeah, Obama is positively not perfect. Then again, nobody would be. Politics is a huge and complex subject, and the odds of agreeing with *anyone* on every single major topic are close to nil. We’re all going to have some problems with an Obama administration, just as we would all have had problems with a Clinton or Edwards or Dodd administration.

    You don’t have to personally approve of every one of his positions or statements — you just have to think that, on the whole, he’s a better choice than McCain. We are electing a President, after all, not beatifying a saint.

  • I believe Colin Powell’s endorsement would be powerful and symbolic in positive ways for a lot folks in the muddy middle. If he throws his support behind Barack Obama, I believe it will be an enormous boost, and I would welcome it – whether it came w/ explicit caveats that he would NOT hold a spot in an Obama administration or a big dollop of ambiguity. But, I personally wonder whether Powell has the cajones to make the endorsement. His former aide, Larry Wilkerson has been a high-profile critic of Bush administration policies. I have a hard time believing he does so without Powell’s tacit approval. I wish Powell were willing to say the words himself.

    If Barack Obama wins in November, he is going to need all hands on deck to begin to undo the stunning damage wrought by Dubya and Co over eight short but very long years. Chuck Hagel is a very conservative politician, but he has tried to hold the administration accountable for its conduct of the GWOT. He has been tough and principled about it. As Republican senators go, he was one I could name whenever my more conservative friends would demand of me “Are there ANY Republicans you like?” Always fun, since they would have no idea who Hagel is. So, if Hagel wants to back Obama over McCain so much the better, IMO. People like Hagel and Powell might be able to make a dent in that McCain “halo” that is so lovingly maintained by the Corporate Media. Frankly, I am more disgusted by Armstrong Williams’ endorsement than I ever could be by that of Powell or Hagel.

  • I believe Colin Powell’s endorsement would be powerful and symbolic in positive ways for a lot folks in the muddy middle. If he throws his support behind Barack Obama, I believe it will be an enormous boost, and I would welcome it – whether it came w/ explicit caveats that he would NOT hold a spot in an Obama administration or a big dollop of ambiguity. But, I personally wonder whether Powell has the cajones to make the endorsement. His former aide, Larry Wilkerson has been a high-profile critic of Bush administration policies. I have a hard time believing he does so without Powell’s tacit approval. I wish Powell were willing to say the words himself.

    If Barack Obama wins in November, he is going to need all hands on deck to begin to undo the stunning damage wrought by Dubya and Co over eight short but very long years. Chuck Hagel is a very conservative politician, but he has tried to hold the administration accountable for its conduct of the GWOT. He has been tough and principled about it. As Republican senators go, he was one I could name whenever my more conservative friends would demand of me “Are there ANY Republicans you like?” Always fun, since they would have no idea who Hagel is. So, if Hagel wants to back Obama over McCain so much the better, IMO. People like Hagel and Powell might be able to make a dent in that McCain “halo” that is so lovingly maintained by the Corporate Media. Frankly, I am more disgusted by Armstrong Williams’ endorsement than I ever could be by that of Powell or Hagel.

  • Brooks,

    I would have a huge issue with Colin Powell in an Obama admin. A HUGE issue. He lied in front of the UN. He lied us into war. He lied to the American public. He lied us into the disaster we are in now (all the ills we are facing, in many ways, point back to this war. Would oil be $140 a bbl without war? I doubt it. But I digress.)

    And I don’t need a saint as president, I need someone to do the right thing. FISA soured me on Obama in a big way. Powell and the other scum sucking Goopers I expect this from. I do not expect support of this FISA disaster from a constitutional attorney AND professor.

    The wrongest answer imaginable on FISA. And I am soured beyond words.

  • MsJoanne, maybe I’m clueless here. Do you have documentation that Powell knowingly lied, as opposed to merely believing and repeating lies that he was told? There’s an important distinction there. Neither scenario is flattering, but they have hugely different implications about his character.

    And you’re right that Obama’s position on FISA is a disgrace. He has made a tactical decision that this is not a battle he wants to fight, and I think less of him for it. But I guess I’m less disappointed because I never bought the spotless man of virtue meme. He’s a politician, after all, and while I believe his heart is in the right place in general, his top priority is ascending to power, just like any other politician.

    On the whole, I like his policies. And I definitely think he’s better for the country than McCain. But I never expected him to be absolutely honest or as idealistic as he professes, so the FISA position isn’t a big shock to me.

  • Read up on Powell before associating him blindly with the Bush Administration. He’s sorry about the UN presentation, he sat Bush down for two-and-a-half hours one day trying to convince him NOT to invade Iraq, and he calls neocons a bunch of “fucking crazies.”

    In the end, yup, he acted like a good soldier, for good or for bad. My opinion, though, is that he never knowingly lied. Even the latest Senate report by Democrats (also signed off by Republicans Hagel and Snowe) acknowledges that “most” of the evidence supported the Iraqi WMD claim.

  • Also, the biggest question here is whether a Powell and/or Hagel endorsement and/or proposed position in the Obama administration would:

    a) dampen liberal enthusiasm, or
    b) pull over some swing voters

    I would guess (b) would be much more powerful than (a).

  • Anyone who is really excited about Obama right now would not ever think of changing their vote to McCain just because Powell endorsed Obama. But the effect on independents could be tangible.

  • Powell has been an unapologetic Republican lapdog for his entire military and political career. He thinks he owes them for making him the first black CJC, and Secretary of State. But his failed arrogant approach to Cheney and Rumsfeld dealt him a reality check. He was so outclassed he never knew what hit him; but he never played the obvious trump card he had: his popularity and credibility with the American public. He could singlehandedly have jetisoned a disasterous war he had to have known was unjustified and trumped up. He didn’t. So one has to wonder where his moral center is. Is he the eternal loyal soldier and lapdog, or is he capable of doing what’s right? He has a rare second opportunity to redeem himself. He needs to condemn the war, the Rethugs, and support Obama.That will probably cost him some lucrative corporate board seats, but he can afford it.

  • I don’t know that the ‘leftie blogosphere’ hates Colin Powell so much as no longer trusts him because of his pussyfooting around with criminals.

    Like duh, sit down with dogs, get fleas, and all.

  • Powell’s endorsement won’t carry quite as much weight as it might because he’s black, and not an ‘ordinary American’, in Chris Matthews’ phrase; he’ll be discounted because of identity politics.

    I don’t want to see Powell in the cabinet, but I hope he could be given a project of some sort, to help him repair his image.

  • As Republican senators go, he was one I could name whenever my more conservative friends would demand of me “Are there ANY Republicans you like?” — TuiMel, @22

    For me, it’s Olympia Snowe. She’s, perhaps, less visible than Hagel, but I do like her stances on many issues and would happily trade her for the ex-dem-now-indie Lieberman.

  • If Powell endorses Obama he may as well do it in a big way – the reaction from the Republicans will be as to a traitor either way.

  • Can I ask which part of “Rules for a Successful Anti-Fascist Coalition” you purer-than-thou’s failed to read an comprehend?

    Did anyone worry 65 years ago whether Joe Stalin had any further committment beyond killing every Nazi he could find?

    I can’t believe that anyone here who has read German history 1927-45 would fail to understand that, right now, the only requirement for membership in our anti-fascist resistance is: do you want to see the Republican Party defeated?

    We can worry how many progressives can dance on the head of the sharp end of a pin in 2012.

    If Hagel and Powell and all the others named and any others yet to be identified want to do anything at all to help destroy the enemy, our answer is “Welcome aboard!!” This election is about saving the constitutional republic of the United States of America, first and foremost. Any patriot to that goal is my brother in arms.

  • Powell, in a more erudite time, might be cast as the leading figure in a Shakespearean tragedy. He’s sort of the King Lear of U.S. politics. Any support that he would throw towards Obama seems to me to be more of a public expression of regret for his part in the mess in Iraq than anything else. However, if that would help with the great, muddy middle of the political spectrum, then it would be welcome.

  • Perhaps I am out of touch, but I think Powell would be a big plus not only in the election but in the administration. He is a bright guy, knowledgable about the world security situation, experienced in the ways of power, and a moderate. He has never been a war-hawk; in fact his name is associated with great restraaint in the use of the military.

    He is a good soldiar, so he soldiared on for Bush and Cheney until his ribs were sticking out his side. So he has had another very clear lesson in the abuse of power.

    On issues like this the left should wake up, IMHO. People do what they have to, what they must, under changing circumstances. No one in a position of power is going to do what any ideologue on the sidelines wants that much of the time. It is not merely foolish but arrogant to write people off because of differences in particulars. You have to look at the big picture and the circumstances surrounding the particular case. And yes, of course there are exceptions to this and any other generalization.

  • I believe in redemption and forgiveness. If Powell repents of his past errant ways, rejects the Sith Lords with who he previously associated himself, and embraces the reality-based community, I would welcome him enthusiastically.

  • I have always respected and admired Colin Powell. If he would have run for President, I would have voted for him. But, I have no respect, or admiration for Barack Obama. Obama’s 20 year associations with extremely sleezy people … Rezko, Farakan, Wright, Pfleiger, Ayers, Moss, Ludacris, etc., as well as his thin resume, his socialist leanings, and lack of substance, makes him a very poor choice for President of the United States. I sincerely hope that Colin Powell doesn’t endorse Obama. In the final analysis, it would show that Powell lacks the judgemnet and integrity we all gave him credit for.

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