Asked about military service, presidential qualifications, McCain gets ‘visibly angry’

TNR’s Michael Crowley, commenting on the still-inexplicable Wesley Clark flap, noted today, “I do think the whole episode was bad for Obama in the short term, although if it plants seeds with MSM editors to think more critically about McCain’s military experience down the road that would be substantially mitigating.”

That sounds about right. The whole point of Clark’s comments, which he’s been emphasizing for quite some time, is that John McCain’s military service during the war in Vietnam, while obviously honorable, is not necessarily a presidential qualification, despite what the McCain campaign would have us believe. If news outlets stop to consider this point, just a little, in the midst of its Clark free for all, this might help change the nature of the discussion.

Consider what happened earlier today, while McCain was talking to reporters on a plane over Columbia, South America. The Clark subject came up, and McCain urged Obama to “cut him loose.” Then, ABC News’ David Wright explained, things got rather tense.

McCain became visibly angry when I asked him to explain how his Vietnam experience prepared him for the Presidency.

“Please,” he said, recoiling back in his seat in distaste at the very question.

McCain allies Sen. Lindsey Graham stepped in to rescue him. Graham expressed admiration for McCain’s stance on the treatment of detainees in US custody.

“That to me is a classic example of how his military experience helped him shape public policy in a way no other senator could have done,” Graham said.

Soon after, McCain “collected himself” and apologized for losing his cool. “I kind of reacted the way I did because I have a reluctance to talk about my experiences,” he said, adding, “I am always reluctant to talk about these things.”

What an interesting exchange.

First, the question was pretty straightforward: how did McCain’s service in the war prepare him for the presidency? For a candidate who emphasizes his military service all the time, this shouldn’t have been especially difficult to answer, and it certainly shouldn’t have left him “visibly angry.”

Second, it’s curious that McCain explained his incensed reaction by pointing to his reluctance to “talk about my experiences.” Whether McCain talks about his service or not is entirely up to him, but he really doesn’t seem especially reluctant at all. In fact, McCain talks about his Vietnam service all the time, and his campaign has made it the basis for multiple campaign ads. Indeed, in one commercial, the McCain campaign literally included interrogation footage from McCain’s days as a prisoner of war.

Given this, it seems odd that a question about how this service prepared him for the presidency would set him off like this. Indeed, by constantly talking about his service, McCain has been making the implicit case that his military background necessarily prepared him for the presidency.

Is no one supposed to ask why?

Yeah, so I used to date this girl, right? And she was all over me, 24-7. I mean marathon doin-it sessions, weekend-long boinkathons. She’d invite friends over, we’d make sex tapes, the whole she-bang. I could go on and on and on and on and on…

“So…why’d you break up?”

…you know, I really don’t feel like talking about her right now, anyways, what happened between the two of us is none of your business…

“But…but you brought her up in the con…”

For God’s sake, ENOUGH, all right? Geez, what’s wrong with you? I don’t want to talk about her!

“OK! OK! Sorry! So…what do you want to talk about?”

Hmmmmm…so I used to date this girl, right? And she was all over me, 24-7…
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Yeah, McCain sounds about THAT stupid.

  • What hypocrisy. If the memory of his military service causes him to have such an angry emotional reaction, doesn’t this bring into question his ability to be commander in chief, or is it more that he can use emotional blackmail to prevent such questions and prevent him from having to answer them because it would make him look like an idiot.

    Graham, acting like his attorney, apparently knew McCain had no answer and that this has all been over acting indignation. I can just hear them in secret trying to come up with an answer to that question.

    “What can we tell them that will make my military experience a qualification for president”, because it is not at tall a self realized fact because if it were then McCain would have answered immediately instead of not at all..

    That whole crowd of Graham, McCain and Lieberman are totally dishonest manipulating hypocrites who care only for power and should be thrown out of government service. They used the respect people had for them to manipulate their way to power and bring shame to our nation. Hopefully we will rid ourselves of their influence soon.

  • I find it funny that Michelle Obama has been labeled fair game for the corporate media and the right wing hit men yet the man who is actually running for Presidient of the United States is off limits concerning his military record, age, health etc. St. Mccain just proves over and over again that he will be business as usual as his biggest backer is the corrupt mainstream media.

  • McCain’s “temper” issues point to a deeper question which I wonder will ever be asked by his BBQ buddies. I wish someone would ask him if he thinks being tortured for years would of course give anyone psychological issues, and if he thinks that being tortured has affected him psychologically. If so, has he ever gotten therapy for his issues? Or did he come through so unscathed that he didn’t need any therapy?

    IMO this whole can of worms is why McCain doesn’t want to talk about it except within the controlled circumstances that he has so far.

    I hope the American people realize that McCain’s experiences probably made him less fit to be president, not more.

  • keep asking him that question until he answers; even if he blows a few gaskets in the meantime.

  • “McCain’s “temper” issues point to a deeper question which I wonder will ever be asked by his BBQ buddies”

    Hopefully he’ll blow a gasket during the debates and no one will need to ask him about it. It will be on public display for the whole country to see live. It could happen.

  • McCain found a way to steer discussion of the Woodstock museum into the subject of his military service, for Christ’s sake. He goes to that well about as often as Rudy Guiliani mentions “9/11.”

  • Sen. Lindsey Graham stepped in to rescue him. Graham expressed admiration for McCain’s stance on the treatment of detainees in US custody.

    “That to me is a classic example of how his military experience helped him shape public policy in a way no other senator could have done,” Graham said.

    Yeah, no other senator could have caved in to the Bush administration like McCain did. Only a guy who’s been tortured would agree that torture is OK as long as the presnit says its legal.

    http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2006_03/008343.php

    cough.

  • I’m anxious for the certain-to-come day when McBrokenRecord gets his talking points mixed up.

    “Dammit, there are two things I just will not answer questions on: how I got a political and financial advantage by being shot down in Vietnam and how I was held hostage and tortured in my marriage to Cindy.”

  • One good blow up. One time, Senator McCain, just once; lose that famous temper of yours.

    Just one FUCK YOU to one of your corporate media whores. Ribs or no ribs, buh bye sucker.

    Oh, just once

  • McCain became visibly angry when I asked him to explain how his Vietnam experience prepared him for the Presidency.

    “Please,” he said, recoiling back in his seat in distaste at the very question.
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    Hmm, I wonder, were did “Mr. Straight-talk” go?

    I’m sure the MSM know this by now, that a Repig can bring up anything they want to talk about, but you, we, us, the public can not ask any questions about it, unless they are softball, pre-screened, generic, and place said Repig in a positive light. For God’s sake, you actually think the public has a right to ask questions of politicians, or know anything? What, you think this is America or something? To quote McBush, “please”.

    I can only hope that McLame continues to become angry and incensed at entirely reasonable and logical questions. Look, if he can’t handle a question about an issue that he and his campaign continue to insist is so important, then how will he ever be able to tolerate world leaders who don’t agree with him? Or Congressmen and women? Or appointees? How will that McPain temper translate into foreign relations and decisions? How can a man with that level of uncontrollable emotionality be trusted in highly sensitive, diplomatic situations that require a phlegmatically capable and tactful respondant?

    Let the public see who you are McLame. The more you show your true self, the better.

  • Pass the popcorn. It’s going to get interesting now. His true colors are emerging as the heat is being turned up. He needed to keep his military service so sacred that it was beyond reproach. Now that it is being questioned as presidential material he has nothing left.

  • What’s really funny is that the folks inside McCain’s bubble think that having a temper problem means that you are tough. Fortunately for us, most of them aren’t actually reading this kind of information out on the web, they’re too busy sockpuppeting.

    Kos’s latest column is a classic:

    …Oh — and Jill Hazelbaker, the bumbling Jersey sockpuppeteer? She’s now John McCain’s national communications director. No wonder Republicans are getting trounced online…

    http://thehill.com/markos-moulitsas/the-gops-sockpuppets-2008-07-01.html

  • McCain is intent on keeping us safe from terrorists whether or not we want him to, irrespective of what happens to the economy, job loss, home foreclosures, transfer of wealth from the poor through the U.S. treasury to the wealthy. It’s a perfect pyramid scheme. Did I mention that we can rest-assured that we will be safe from terrorists? We might be homeless and jobless, but we will be safe.

    He certainly doesn’t have any idea how to solve the other issues that Americans are afflicted with. So, you can understand why he’s pissed the F**K OFF when you try to take that issues of national security from him. I cannot wait for the first debate. I hope he takes a double dose of anti-depressant because he will blow a fuse.

  • What’s really funny is that the folks inside McCain’s bubble think that having a temper problem means that you are tough. Fortunately for us, most of them aren’t actually reading this kind of information out on the web, they’re too busy sockpuppeting.
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    Don’t you mean ‘suckpuppeting’?

    What a hoot! We can’t let that expression die just yet.

  • I find it funny that Michelle Obama has been labeled fair game for the corporate media and the right wing hit men yet the man who is actually running for Presidient of the United States is off limits concerning his military record, age, health etc – tiredofgreed@3

    Sounds a lot like what happened with dubya when questioned about his military service. If it worked once… let’s go back to that well. It’s got to work again. Come on MSM, WAKE UP!

  • If McCain weren’t deeply conflicted about the nature of his military service, the answer to this question would be a no-brainer (as in, Gov. Reagan, how did being an actor prepare you for the presidency?; Sen Obama, what did learn as a community organizer that you can bring to the presidency?) — but the truth is that except for being a POW, Sen. McCain’s military career was inglorious although not without honor. He just wasn’t very good at the Navy or successful at it —– as even he recognized by leaving when he realized that becoming an admiral was not in his future. Even then he ought to have a pat answer about the perspective that having been in the military would add to his presidency. But no, for him the question becomes this big psycho-drama —- and it’s of his not our making.

    The problem is that he wants ‘military service’ to stand as shorthand for leadership, readiness, etc.. As you point out he uses his service all the time in this way. And also in the ubiquitous Navy cap he wears ‘at leisure’. Surely in the same way that if wore a Hoyas cap, people might ask me if I went to Georgetown and how did I like it and . . . . — he invites the same sort of inquiry viz the Navy. A man truly at peace with himself and secure about his qualifications to be President would have figured this out and be ready with an answer. But McCain sees such inquiry as attacks and he can’t help lashing out.

    Finally, I know the Senate is probably on some kind of 4th of July recess right now and I know he’s ‘in love’ with McCain, but doesn’t it bother the citizens of South Carolina that Graham spends all his time campaigning with/for McCain? I live elsewhere, but even I am getting plenty angry at the fact that my taxes pay his salary while he’s essentially working for McCain.

  • Actually, Mr. McCain may have a little executive experience in his wife Cindy’s wholesale beer business. But bombing Vietnamese peasants was just a war crime, nothing heroic about wounding, maiming and killing people from thousands of feet above: It was an act of cowardice. But in Imperial America, many of us like to characterize war crimes against poor, third world peoples as “heroic.”

  • actually, the wet start thing could be handled in an interesting way. most voters would have no idea what that means. but odds are huge that McCain is hypersensitive about it. so largely apropos to nothing, if someone asked him in a very non-threatening tone in a live setting “Senator, are you familiar with what the term ‘wet-start’ means,” my guess is that he would over-react defensively and come unglued. to casual observers, it would appear that the poor reporter did nothing wrong, wasn’t combative, etc. For Team McCain to explain the issue would require them to explain the Forrestal. which would then put the two sides of that story in the public discourse. a purely lose-lose for McCain.

    checkmate.

  • I’ve been wondering lately, just as a purely intellectual exercise, how things would be different if McCain was never a POW. It seems to me that he used the fame and recognition from that to catapult his political career and has just rode it for the past 25 years. Does anyone remember when McCain ran for Congress and/or the Senate? What were the issues or platform he ran on back then?

  • My theory is that McCain saw how effective that playing the victim was for Hillary Clinton and has decided to grab the proverbial baton and run with it.

    REPORTER: Will you please pass the donuts with sugar sprinkles on top?

    MCCAIN: Please (recoiling back in his seat in distaste at the very question).

  • Sometimes you have to wonder just how much McCain really wants the job. There are times when he just seems to be signaling “no mas”. Or he wants the “A” but really doesn’t want to put out the effort to make the grade. Or he wants to take the short cut when the road is getting too long. Or he wants all the respect without putting forth a respectful performance at all times while on stage. Or he just wants to get to the new fun stuff and is bored with the old while questions of the old remain pertinent.

    The man is a bundle of contradictions.

  • This is hardly new(s). Aided and abetted by the Washington press corps, Senator McCain has developed a reputation as a straight-talking “maverick.” The truth is, he’s an asshole.
    I remember reading this article about McCain (and McCain’s temper) in 1999, and I’ve often wondered why the press continue to insist that McCain is some sort of “Aw, shucks” good guy, since it’s been clear enough that he’s a nasty old bastard. To wit:

    Although there is truth in McCain’s reputation as a fearless leader who has taken huge political risks, that reputation has also served as excellent cover for his ugly twin. He is a bully by many accounts, often stubborn and sometimes vindictive in his pursuit of his own interests. He has a history of spazzing out on reporters who dare question his motives. (Through his press secretary, McCain declined to be interviewed by Washington City Paper.) And although he is charmingly candid on some issues—particularly ones that draw extensive national press coverage—he can be just as deceptive when it comes to others. (Emphasis added.)

    Frankly, this article should be required reading for any and everybody. And should be on your Greatest Hits list on your email distro list.

  • Taking McCain at his word (today’s word, anyway), is there wisdom in electing someone for whom there are such specific and powerful emotional triggers? Would every visitor to his Oval Office be cautioned on the way in with a Cleesean “Whatever you do, DON’T MENTION the WAR”?

  • Whatever you do, don’t mention the war!

    Can PTSD rear its head after 35 years?

  • Does Liberman and Graham follow McCain to the bathroom too? I mean please, you see them together all the time now? Are they living together??? I am sorry if I am rude, but I am tired of seeing Mo, Curley and Larry all the time.

  • I’m beginning to wonder if McCan’t was seriously tortured in a systematic way, or if all his injures are the results of his bailing out of his aircraft.

    This man really should not be President of the United States.

  • -daze, @23,

    My guess is that, were McCain to be asked about the term “wet start”, he’d reply with the talking point about how he’s against pornography in the media…

  • “I kind of reacted the way I did because I have a reluctance to talk about my experiences,” he said, adding, “I am always reluctant to talk about these things.”

    Yes, I’d be reluctant to talk about graduating 5 from the bottom at the National Boating School, crashing five airplanes, killing 138 of my fellow sailors because of stupidity, and becoming a POW out of incompetence, before finally getting the boot from the Navy for 25 years of demonstrated ignorance and boneheaded stupidity.

  • John McCain is very very scary, what with his temper tantrums and his two minders -Lieberman and Graham to remind him what country he is in, does anyone else feel that he is in the early stages of Alzheimers?

  • ThaT REPORTERS NEXT QUESTION TO GRAHMAN SHOULD HAVE BEEM: “HMMM IF HE WAS SO KIND TO THESE DETAINEES, WHY DID HE SUPPORT THE TORTURE BILL, AND CONE OUT AGAINST HABIUS CORPUS?”

    THAT’S WHEN McACE WEOULD HAVE HAD THE REPORTER THROWN OFF THE PLANE..

  • “That to me is a classic example of how his military experience helped him shape public policy in a way no other senator could have done,” Graham said.

    “For example,” Graham continued, “his being tortured led to his deep empathy with fellow torture victims, which is why he supports the US torturing detainees.”

  • Why has more NOT been made about McCain’s statement that he didn’y love his country until he was denied her company? i.e.,being shot down and allegedly captured and tortured? Doesn’t this mean he didn’t love America when he attended military academy and enlisting as an officer PRIOR to being “shot down”?

  • So this has been in the news cycle for days, with plenty of time for McCain’s staff to brief him on how to respond to the obvious question. Some suck-up reporter lobs up the softball: “explain to Joe 6-Pack that your military experience makes you a ‘real American hero’ just like the GI Joe ads” and McSame gets a swing and a miss?!?! It was a t-ball homerun waiting to be knocked out of the park, and he pulled a Bugs Bunny 3-swings at the same pitch and you’re out. I am beginning to allow myself to get hopeful about this election.

  • Senator,
    Has everyone you ever served under been worthy of being president?
    Has everyone who ever served under you been worthy?

    Just wondering where this arbitrary line of service=president is drawn or if it’s going to be a case by case basis as Clark suggested.

    Humor me.

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