Iraq NSA wants U.S. troop withdrawal timetable

When Nouri al-Maliki first indicated yesterday that he’d like to reach an agreement with the Bush administration on either the “departure” of U.S. forces from Iraq or “a timetable on their withdrawal,” the administration initially suggested the remark may have been a transcription error.

It looks like the Iraqis actually mean it.

Iraq’s national security adviser said Tuesday his country will not accept any security deal with the United States unless it contains specific dates for the withdrawal of U.S.-led forces.

The comments by Mouwaffak al-Rubaie were the strongest yet by an Iraqi official about the deal now under negotiation with U.S. officials. They came a day after Iraq’s prime minister first said publicly that he expects the pending troop deal with the United States to have some type of timetable for withdrawal.

“Our stance in the negotiations underway with the American side will be strong … We will not accept any memorandum of understanding that doesn’t have specific dates to withdraw foreign forces from Iraq,” al-Rubaie said. And in case you’re wondering, al-Rubaie is a Shiite lawmaker and a prominent official in the prime minister’s party.

Given the timing and clarity, it’s as if the sovereign, democratically-elected Maliki government wanted to make sure no one thought it was a transcription error.

Which leads us, of course, to consider how this might factor into John McCain’s vision of an indefinite war, followed by an indefinite troop presence.

As luck would have it, McCain was asked about this kind of scenario at the Council of Foreign Relations in 2004, and gave a very straightforward answer.

Question: “What would or should we do if, in the post-June 30th period, a so-called sovereign Iraqi government asks us to leave, even if we are unhappy about the security situation there?”

McCain’s Answer: “Well, if that scenario evolves than I think it’s obvious that we would have to leave because — if it was an elected government of Iraq, and we’ve been asked to leave other places in the world. If it were an extremist government then I think we would have other challenges, but I don’t see how we could stay when our whole emphasis and policy has been based on turning the Iraqi government over to the Iraqi people.” [emphasis added]

Adam Blickstein asked, “Does the John McCain of 2008 agree with this assessment?” Sounds like the kind of question an enterprising political reporter might pose to the Republican candidate.

I’d add, though, that McCain was asked about Maliki’s comments on MSNBC this morning, and he dismissed them out of hand, suggesting the media reports are wrong, and that Maliki’s concerns can be discounted because “he’s a politician.”

Now we have the Iraqi prime minister and the Iraqi national security adviser talking openly about a withdrawal timetable. This isn’t going away.

And any response that McCain gives that even slightly deviates from his “vision of an indefinite war, followed by an indefinite troop presence”, needs to be called out by us and everyone we know for being a hypocrite.

Similarly, the figures in the corporate media who made the false assertion about Obama and his views ‘shifting’ about troop departures from Iraq – when in made no such change – need to be called out as well

  • This will be a tough one for McCain to spin. If he has any sense at all he’ll flip flop, but sense seems to be a precious commodity in the Republic-thugs community, and seriously lacking in the reborn McCain of 2008.

  • Don’t be fooled by this – I suspect that dday has the right take on it over at digby’s place. This is election year posturing for Maliki, as he’s worried that the Sadrists are going to push this to gain traction against him. If the Bushies aren’t stupid they’ll work up some kind of compromise that is nebulously worded but good enough to satisfy Malki’s needs AND good enough to be able to repeat their mantra of “not leaving until the job is done”. And, if they’re lucky, cut a campaign issue out from under Obama’s legs.

  • beep52 said: “If the Iraqis kick us out, does that mean we won?”

    If your victory condition is an independent country that can stand (up to us) on its own, yes.

    If your victory condition is control of Iraq’s Oil wealth, no.

    I say this is victory and we can leave (with all our stuff this time, not like Vietnam).

  • “And, if they’re lucky, cut a campaign issue out from under Obama’s legs”

    Oh I disagree. John McCain is, unbelievably polling better on Iraq than Obama as well as national security. This would “cut a campaign issue out from under” McCains wobbly legs. This plays more into Obama’s Iraq plans than McCain’s He’d be left with, what?, the economy? Not good for the Maverick.

    I still say the Iraqis are anticipating how they’ll deal with President Obama. they’re finished with Bush and looking to what’s next.

  • I suspect it’s political posturing, but that there could be some kind of long term withdrawal schedule to save face for Maliki with plenty of wiggle-room for a certain number of our troops to stay indefinitely. There’s no way we’re pulling everybody out anytime soon, because Exxon et al are not going to be satisfied with Iraqi security forces protecting their interests in the lucrative oil contracts.

    We didn’t come all this way just to pull out with no goodies to take home, or the forces needed to ensure that we get those goodies.

  • Hmm…the suspicious citizen in me wonders how long it will be before Maliki gets “replaced”….

  • there are two McCains. The Old McCain and the New McCain. The New McCain is older than the old McCain who was younger than the new McCain when he was the old McCain.

    The New McCain opposes the Old McCain on many issues. Let’s see if this is one of them.

  • Raed Jarrar has an interesting take.

    He basically asserts that this is actually a sneaky ploy (and not just posturing) by Maliki and Bush to exaggerate the differences in the Bush and Maliki regimes’ goals, then make a show of “reasonable” and “legitimate” negotiations only to arrive at a “compromise” that involves a few permanent bases and a sustained US troop presence.

  • Here is Obama saying don’t bring the troops home and arguing against any timetable.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2kFrFIFizkU

    Remember Obama voted against a timetable on iraq in the senate.

    Obama wants to keep troops in iraq guarding the embassy. The embassy will be seen as occupiers with Obama letting our forces guarding it.

    Obama wants to keep troops in iraq going after al queda.

    Obama wants to keep troops in iraq training iraqis.

    Obama to win the primary in a pennsylvania debate said he wouldn’t listen to the generals. Now says he will listen to the generals.

    Obama said withrawal wouldn’t be based on stability in iraq now says it will be based on stability in Iraq.

    Obama has no experience. He has no idea what he is talking about.

  • Top Obama advisor said Obama would leave 80,000 troops in iraq.

    Obama wants troops guarding the embassy. You need them guarding the airport.

    Obama said he will have troops guarding supply lines to the embassy.

    Obama said he will have troops training iraqis.

    Obama said he will have troops in iraq to go after al queda.

    Obama’s top advisor let it be known that it would take 80,000 troops to do this.

    Obama was speaking differently the advisor said for politics.

    That is why Obama is now saying he will listen to the generals and it will be about stability.

  • There are two Obama’s.

    Lets see the McCain of now.

    McCain still wants embrionic stem cell reserach.

    McCain want prescription drugs to be imported from canada.

    McCain wants Medicare part D fixed to allow for negotiation.

    McCain wants to sign kyoto.

    McCain wants to cap emissions.

    McCain is against Bush’s signing statements.

    McCain hasn’t changed the media has changed against McCain.

    Obama is the one who flips flops on every issue imaginable for his political future.

  • Maliki said it would be based on conditions on the ground.

    We have turned over 10 iraqi provinces to the iraqis. We are turning over anbar province to the iraqis.

    The withdrawal is based on conditions on the ground of turning over areas to the iraqis.

    McCain has always said he will turn over the areas to the iraqis and our troops will come home.

  • I think it is true that a specific timetable is further along than even Obama’s position. But since it is from the Iraq government, the only interpretation for a time certain for withdrawal is that the conditions on the ground question is no longer important.

    It is very significant that the call for a timetable comes from the Iraqis just because it completely neutralizes the conditions on the ground question.

  • This elected government just doesn’t know what’s good for them.

    McCain has always been against withdrawal. The “conditions on the ground” rhetoric is what Bush pushed and everytime a commander told him wha the conditions on the ground dictated and it disagreed with his policy…he fired them and got someone else to interpret “conditions on the ground”…always geared to make sure we stayed to make sure the war profiteers got more contracts, especially the no bid oil contracts.

    Most of the Sunnis are dead, displaced, or walled off and segregated or bought off so the Shiite controlled government no longer need us to police the country.

    When it comes to Iraq, the economy, or any thing else there’s two things I don’t like about McCain…his face.

  • All I know is that Obama will be visiting Iraq this month.

    This will NOT be good for McCain.

    Let’s see:

    Obama, the possible future president of USA visits Iraq, meets the generals and maybe even Maliki (who says he wants us out or a timetable for it)…

    No, there’s NO good that can come of it for McCain. Obama may come home looking and sounding like “Yes…things are workable there. We are going to be able to agree on withdrawl when I become president. My preliminary meetings with Pataeus were positive and PM Maliki is in agreement with my position that its time to get our troops out. When I become president, i will meet call my JCOS and we’ll devise further our strategy to begin drawing down our forces, in accordance with the wishes of the Iraqi people.”

    Done.

  • Well after all, McCain said he could walk around and shop at his leisure in the Market place in Bagdad, so it must be OK over there now!

  • Now that the Iraqi leadership is touting a timetable, it is obvious to all that we are no longer wanted there, officially. Maliki has done this for all the world to see, to increase pressure to force a withdrawal. And, if our leaving means chaos, we will have brought about the anarchy and whatever civil war or strife may occur, all due to the all-absorbing effort to get the Decider’s Dad’s enemy. Bush, Cheney and his military sycophants used and vouchsafed little, no and false evidence, using hook and crook to start this war, tying Saddam to the 9-11 terrorists — all because they were hellbent on getting Saddam. And the result so far — an utter mess — corresponds to the means by which they brought about this war. This is poetic justice, to be sure.

    But I do not trust the current top brass and now McCain, with his embrace of Bush Iraq policy, to make the right decisions. This whole affair has been run by malfeasance, characterized by sycophant catering by the military to the Bush-Cheney hard right wing bluster. For more on the generals and their lack of backbone in the face of the hard truth, see my blog, http://www.wrathofmcgrath.com

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